Can you try to recreate what exactly it keeps saying it has to download?
yup, here you go: (note: this is not the exact same thing it said before i installed all of the updates from update manager. it didn't say the python thing before, but regardless, it didn't work then either. which now that i think about it, why was the python thing not missing before the update, but missing after? do updates subtract as well as add stuff?)
WTF indeed. I had seen that fix, buuut i thought you said to avoid installing things thru apt, and thats kinda what i think got me into that whole mess in the 1st place, so i was a bit leery
ok so i replace natty with, what, oneiric (sp??) in the scouce list, then do that code you posted in terminal, right?
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I bet 9to5 will like the new linux mint kde due to it's hybrid qualities and because he gets to use dd command.
If you have bandwidth or DVD remaining ,I would suggest waiting for LM12 KDE !!
sounds good, since i was going to try kubuntu to see what this KDE is all about...i have no idea really what it is, beside the desktop is different? but i want to try it, so i could wait for mint kde.....wait how long, i wonder?
EDIT: um yeah, that whole thing i just did, didn't work, same message. do I need to reboot or something? And/or uninstall->reinstall dropbox? from software manager or website (newer)?
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one week or two !! the RC has been released on 11th ,the stable version should be around the corner .
@JohnGalt
Since my 250GB drive is refusing to mount in windows ,I will be using it as a Linux Drive . I am planning on multiple distro installation (Not really .Linux Mint and my custom OpenSuse ) Will see How it manages .
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sounds good, since i was going to try kubuntu to see what this KDE is all about...i have no idea really what it is, beside the desktop is different? but i want to try it, so i could wait for mint kde.....wait how long, i wonder?
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one week or two !! the RC has been released on 11th ,the stable version should be around the corner .
I'm a big fan of KDE. Very powerful and modular, written in C++, extremely customizable. Lots of panels, toolbars, widgets that all play well together. The 4.7 series is very polished, so anybody discouraged by the original 4.0's premature release should give it another look. Will run in 1GB RAM, but 2GB would be better. Release candidates should be reasonably stable, but yeah I'd wait for the official version if possible.
I'm a big fan of KDE. Very powerful and modular, written in C++, extremely customizable. Lots of panels, toolbars, widgets that all play well together. The 4.7 series is very polished, so anybody discouraged by the original 4.0's premature release should give it another look. Will run in 1GB RAM, but 2GB would be better. Release candidates should be reasonably stable, but yeah I'd wait for the official version if possible.
yeah, that kinda sucks, I don't have 1GB RAM
In other news, dropbox is still sucking.
Installed python-gpgme thru package manager, so no more python message
still get the prompt to install proprietary daemon-downloads->unpacks-> nothing happens
deleted my dropbox folder that was leftover from when dropbox worked on Mint 11 incase that was causing problems
throw in some reboots here and there for good measure......
nope.
I'll futz with it more tomorrow, I'm going to bed. Stayed up wayyy to late last night, have to catch up. Know how I know? I typed up this whole reply, read it thru, and closed my browser. Forgot to hit send. Whoops. So yeah, bedtime
Oh really? Well a KDE-based Linux would probably run okay in 512MB, but it wouldn't be the smoothest system, especially once you start opening a few tabs in a web browser.
Crazy that 8GB of good quality DDR3 can now be bought for only $30, but obviously a laptop that comes with 512MB RAM won't take DDR3.
I think one of the other guys already suggested using one of the LXDE versions of Mint, which will be much lighter weight and comfortable in 512MB.
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I'll futz with it more tomorrow, I'm going to bed. Stayed up wayyy to late last night, have to catch up. Know how I know? I typed up this whole reply, read it thru, and closed my browser. Forgot to hit send. Whoops. So yeah, bedtime
LOL, sorry to hear that. Yes that's nature's way of telling you it's sleep-time.
I'm a big fan of KDE. Very powerful and modular, written in C++, extremely customizable. Lots of panels, toolbars, widgets that all play well together. The 4.7 series is very polished, so anybody discouraged by the original 4.0's premature release should give it another look. Will run in 1GB RAM, but 2GB would be better. Release candidates should be reasonably stable, but yeah I'd wait for the official version if possible.
I loved the look and feel of KDE, but back when I was playing with it, it took *WAY* too long to compile on Gentoo on my PIII 700 Mhz laptop - like a day and a half, to be more precise than just 'long'. And, I've always rather relied on the fact that Gnome runs a lot better under low mem situations, but, truth be told, last time I used anything KDE based was ... Ummm, 3.2 / 3.5?
I've heard a lot of great things about it in more recent times, but I also attributed them (or, rather, the actual comments I had read) to *nix fanboism - and yes, even *nix has fanbois (although most of them are new converts lol - most old school *nix users rarely ever get into the whole "Which OS is better" argument b/c there is simply too much to do - like helping novice users along (and politely chuckling at their foibles and trials and tribulations - and trust me, I was the cause of many a good laugh back in the day!). And, not saying that your situation, Sadie, was either laughable or your personal foibles - it was clearly something that went stupid in the system b/c of updates (from what I read earlier).
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yeah, that kinda sucks, I don't have 1GB RAM
In other news, dropbox is still sucking.
Installed python-gpgme thru package manager, so no more python message
still get the prompt to install proprietary daemon-downloads->unpacks-> nothing happens
deleted my dropbox folder that was leftover from when dropbox worked on Mint 11 incase that was causing problems
throw in some reboots here and there for good measure......
nope.
I'll futz with it more tomorrow, I'm going to bed. Stayed up wayyy to late last night, have to catch up. Know how I know? I typed up this whole reply, read it thru, and closed my browser. Forgot to hit send. Whoops. So yeah, bedtime
And since they are already in a nice little case, I can easily send them for almost nothing - which would be no cost to you.
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Oh really? Well a KDE-based Linux would probably run okay in 512MB, but it wouldn't be the smoothest system, especially once you start opening a few tabs in a web browser.
Crazy that 8GB of good quality DDR3 can now be bought for only $30, but obviously a laptop that comes with 512MB RAM won't take DDR3.
I think one of the other guys already suggested using one of the LXDE versions of Mint, which will be much lighter weight and comfortable in 512MB.
LOL, sorry to hear that. Yes that's nature's way of telling you it's sleep-time.
lmfao - while you were hashing this out last night I was up til 6 AM my time (East Coast) and had to be right back up at 7....
*sigh* That's what I get for reading Manga for 3 hours....
I loved the look and feel of KDE, but back when I was playing with it, it took *WAY* too long to compile on Gentoo on my PIII 700 Mhz laptop - like a day and a half, to be more precise than just 'long'. And, I've always rather relied on the fact that Gnome runs a lot better under low mem situations, but, truth be told, last time I used anything KDE based was ... Ummm, 3.2 / 3.5?
Yikes I bet that did take forever! I played w/Gentoo some years ago, and it was neat having an entire O/S personally optimized for my particular machine.
KDE 3.5 was a high point, and some users still prefer it. The 4.0 rollout was a disaster with major pieces missing until about 4.2 and major bugs until maybe 4.4. It's exceptionally full-featured now, with as much configurability as you could hope for, and it looks slick w/the compositing window manager. I'm not really sold on Activities though. The old virtual desktop approach has always provided the features I wanted.
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I've heard a lot of great things about it in more recent times, but I also attributed them (or, rather, the actual comments I had read) to *nix fanboism - and yes, even *nix has fanbois (although most of them are new converts lol - most old school *nix users rarely ever get into the whole "Which OS is better" argument b/c there is simply too much to do - like helping novice users along (and politely chuckling at their foibles and trials and tribulations - and trust me, I was the cause of many a good laugh back in the day!).
All good points! Honestly I don't like Gnome, but it's not a religious argument I like to participate in. If you're making the effort to try different operating systems and GUIs, more power to you and I hope it's both productive and entertaining for you.
Yikes I bet that did take forever! I played w/Gentoo some years ago, and it was neat having an entire O/S personally optimized for my particular machine.
KDE 3.5 was a high point, and some users still prefer it. The 4.0 rollout was a disaster with major pieces missing until about 4.2 and major bugs until maybe 4.4. It's exceptionally full-featured now, with as much configurability as you could hope for, and it looks slick w/the compositing window manager. I'm not really sold on Activities though. The old virtual desktop approach has always provided the features I wanted.
lmfao - yeah, 1.5 days was an eternity for an OS that booted on that laptop in 18 seconds flat. And that is what attracted me to Gentoo in the first place - 100% total customization based upon what I had, not what the hardware looked for every time on boot.
In more resent times, though, I've come to appreciate the HAL and how polling it can make things work a lot better - with native drivers, and polling, you can add new hardware (and these days without even having to shut the computer down) and it automatically polls, selects and installs the appropriate driver, an *poof* you're up and running.
Honestly, though, with me remembering enough about the kernel compiling that I did in the past (I compiled and re-compiled more kernels in a 2 year period than I thought possible in 10 years), I'm itching to take my new rig for a spin with Gentoo again - 12 GB (!) and this beast of a CPU really, really really need to have some fun.
And especially when I pull out old links like this:
(I actually used this to help speed things up - granted I didn't have a lot, but I had 2 GB, and I was able to dedicate 1 GB to tmpfs and man, *that* is when I knew I needed an SSD lol)
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All good points! Honestly I don't like Gnome, but it's not a religious argument I like to participate in. If you're making the effort to try different operating systems and GUIs, more power to you and I hope it's both productive and entertaining for you.
TBH, Gnome looks ... well, old. FWIW, I hate anything GT looking to begin with, and to me all of Gnome looks like it was built on QT <4. Then again, I haven't played with it recently either, so....
Can you see why I prefer Xubuntu? I've loved XFCE since the day I discovered it....
In more resent times, though, I've come to appreciate the HAL and how polling it can make things work a lot better - with native drivers, and polling, you can add new hardware (and these days without even having to shut the computer down) and it automatically polls, selects and installs the appropriate driver, an *poof* you're up and running.
Hardware hotswap is nifty. The latest openSUSE 12.1 just switched to using systemd initialization, which I think provides the dynamic configurability you're talking about. It also parallelizes most of the boot process to speed it up, which is great except they forgot to make sure RAID partitions were inited early enough during boot in the final release. Was freaking out w/all these failed boots and disk error reports that turned out to be false alarms. Working fine after the patches were released, but it was a headache.
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Honestly, though, with me remembering enough about the kernel compiling that I did in the past (I compiled and re-compiled more kernels in a 2 year period than I thought possible in 10 years), I'm itching to take my new rig for a spin with Gentoo again - 12 GB (!) and this beast of a CPU really, really really need to have some fun.
Oh that's right, you have that big bad triple channel 965ES setup?
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And especially when I pull out old links like this:
(I actually used this to help speed things up - granted I didn't have a lot, but I had 2 GB, and I was able to dedicate 1 GB to tmpfs and man, *that* is when I knew I needed an SSD lol)
Oh yeah, I'm sure that absolutely flies! I have my /tmp and /var/tmp on tmpfs, but mainly to reduce writes to the boot SSD.
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Can you see why I prefer Xubuntu? I've loved XFCE since the day I discovered it....
Don't think I've tried that one, but I've heard it's streamlined and screaming fast.
hey, wow, that is a most generous offer, johnlgalt! Buuut..It looks like I was mistaken about my RAM (this was originally my mom's laptop, so I didn't have all the specs)
According to the documentation on Toshiba's site:
Memory: • Configured with 2048MB PC5300 DDR2 SDRAM (both memory slots
may be occupied). Maximum capacity 4096MB
So thats good
So on the LinuxMint site, it says Linux Mint 13 KDE RC was released on the 11th...what does the RC mean?
Also, I'm not entirely sure I understand the differences between Gnome, KDE and XFCE are.....its basically just the way things look, right? Different ways of interacting with the desktop? And I know KDE comes with different versions of email and music player and whatnot, mostly starting with "k". What else?
Memory: • Configured with 2048MB PC5300 DDR2 SDRAM (both memory slots
may be occupied). Maximum capacity 4096MB
So thats good
Excellent! You won't have any problem running any edition of any Linux distribution.
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So on the LinuxMint site, it says Linux Mint 13 KDE RC was released on the 11th...what does the RC mean?
Also, I'm not entirely sure I understand the differences between Gnome, KDE and XFCE are.....its basically just the way things look, right? Different ways of interacting with the desktop? And I know KDE comes with different versions of email and music player and whatnot, mostly starting with "k". What else?
RC is a Release Candidate, which is a late stage beta version that's eligible to be renamed and offered as the official release of a product (subject to any showstopper bugs that might be found in final testing).
You can download and install it; just be aware that they may find and fix bugs afterward before issuing the final release version. RC versions aren't officially supported, so there's a possibility you'd need to go back and install the real release version to enable later patch updates.
Gnome and KDE are the two most widely used graphical user interfaces (GUIs) offered on the various Linuxes, while XFCE is a lean and mean GUI that's especially well matched for older or slower machines. These GUIs each have their own unique menus, icons, taskbars, toolbars, etc. in the same ways that Windows and MacOS do.
Excellent! You won't have any problem running any edition of any Linux distribution.
RC is a Release Candidate, which is a late stage beta version that's eligible to be renamed and offered as the official release of a product (subject to any showstopper bugs that might be found in final testing).
You can download and install it; just be aware that they may find and fix bugs afterward before issuing the final release version. RC versions aren't officially supported, so there's a possibility you'd need to go back and install the real release version to enable later patch updates.
Gnome and KDE are the two most widely used graphical user interfaces (GUIs) offered on the various Linuxes, while XFCE is a lean and mean GUI that's especially well matched for older or slower machines. These GUIs each have their own unique menus, icons, taskbars, toolbars, etc. in the same ways that Windows and MacOS do.
ahh Release Candidate, ok! Yeah, I'll wait for a final release thankyouverymuch Altho I do see the need for people to use beta's, i think im too green to be diving into that pool myself.
I did find a couple of sites that good comparisons of KDE, Gnome,Xfce and Unity, so I understand a bit more now.
Honestly, despite all the smack people have been talking about Unity, i think it looks kinda cool. Definitely going to give it a whirl sometime. Not that I'm not perfectly happy with Mint, I am, I just want to see what all is out there.
hey, wow, that is a most generous offer, johnlgalt! Buuut..It looks like I was mistaken about my RAM (this was originally my mom's laptop, so I didn't have all the specs)
According to the documentation on Toshiba's site:
Memory: • Configured with 2048MB PC5300 DDR2 SDRAM (both memory slots
may be occupied). Maximum capacity 4096MB
So thats good
So on the LinuxMint site, it says Linux Mint 13 KDE RC was released on the 11th...what does the RC mean?
Also, I'm not entirely sure I understand the differences between Gnome, KDE and XFCE are.....its basically just the way things look, right? Different ways of interacting with the desktop? And I know KDE comes with different versions of email and music player and whatnot, mostly starting with "k". What else?
Actually, not necessarily. You need to verify it actually has that 2 GB of RAM in there. I've run into more than a few cases of clients whose machines had been worked on by a 'friend' or 'acquaintance' and whose original build specs stated XX amount of RAM, but when I got to it it had XX/2 or even XX/4 amount instead....
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Excellent! You won't have any problem running any edition of any Linux distribution.
RC is a Release Candidate, which is a late stage beta version that's eligible to be renamed and offered as the official release of a product (subject to any showstopper bugs that might be found in final testing).
You can download and install it; just be aware that they may find and fix bugs afterward before issuing the final release version. RC versions aren't officially supported, so there's a possibility you'd need to go back and install the real release version to enable later patch updates.
Gnome and KDE are the two most widely used graphical user interfaces (GUIs) offered on the various Linuxes, while XFCE is a lean and mean GUI that's especially well matched for older or slower machines. These GUIs each have their own unique menus, icons, taskbars, toolbars, etc. in the same ways that Windows and MacOS do.
Lol - so many to choose from...so many!
Mebbe it was the mouse logo for XFCE that got my hooked lol - who knows?
(Actually, I think XFCE was one of the install alternatives with FC 2 or FC3 and that is when I learned to like it)
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ahh Release Candidate, ok! Yeah, I'll wait for a final release thankyouverymuch Altho I do see the need for people to use beta's, i think im too green to be diving into that pool myself.
I did find a couple of sites that good comparisons of KDE, Gnome,Xfce and Unity, so I understand a bit more now.
Honestly, despite all the smack people have been talking about Unity, i think it looks kinda cool. Definitely going to give it a whirl sometime. Not that I'm not perfectly happy with Mint, I am, I just want to see what all is out there.
And that is hte beauty of *nix over most other OSs - you have that choice.
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Different strokes for different folks.
"...It takes, diff'rent strokes to move the world! MMmmmm"
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Also, it should be noted that Gnome 3 != Gnome 2. I'd say Gnome 3 is much more like unity, so ... just a FYI.
I personally really like Gnome 2... Hope to be trying out LXDE pretty soon (once I get it installed right... )
Quick question: Just because I can use a 64-bit OS, should be using one? or is it better to just use 32-bit? I know 64-bit can use either, and I know 64-bit will run faster, but I would like to hear your expert opinions
EDIT: I'm using 64 now, my Mint 11 was 32, as was the Vista that the computer came with. The PinGuy OS i just finished downloading is 64. I can't really tell a difference in performance between the 2 *shrug*
If you had more than 3GB of RAM then it'd be an easy recommend for 64-bit so you could use all the RAM in your machine. With 2GB you could go either way, but I'd still recommend 64-bit.
Advantages:
It uses a newer more efficient instruction set, since when AMD invented AMD64 they took the opportunity to throw out some archaic x86 instructions and add more registers. I think transcoding especially can take advantage of 64-bit instructions.
Supports editing huge memory mapped files greater than 4GB
You can add more RAM in the future w/o needing a reinstall
Can run either 32-bit or 64-bit guest OSes using VirtualBox or similar
Disadvantages:
Programs are slightly larger and take up a little more RAM, because memory pointers are twice as long
I think that Adobe Flash is still 32-bit under Linux, so there's a little weirdness under the covers when running a 64-bit browser
Thanks for the opinions you guys Luckily, I had already read that wiki article a while back. I just like hearing from people about their experiences with stuff like that...its easier for me to digest info/opinions that way, vs article-reading alone.
So, I've given Ubuntu and Pinguy OS a try today. I like them both! Pinguy almost has too much packaged with it tho...and Ubuntu does't let you change well, anything really,about the desktop. So Mint still wins! Downloading Kubuntu now
I think its a little weird tho, how the newest versions of these OS's don't have the newest versions of the stuff thats packaged with them tho, and then newer version isn't available thru the software manager or Ubuntu store or whatever. Makes me wonder if the new versions that you can get from the websites are safe to use...cuz if they were all 100%, wouldn't they be available thru the software manager? *shrug* maybe its just me, i dunno.
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