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Old January 8th, 2012, 12:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Now normally I wouldn't just go up to strangers (no offence, you guys are nice strangers!) and ask for help like this, but I'm about at the end of my rope here. So, here it goes...Can anybody help me out, please?

OK, here's my back story: I've had my moms Toshiba Satellite on long term loan for a few months. A few weeks ago, the hard drive totally crashed. Disk read error,etc.
I had posted something about it in an unrelated thread, in a different part of the forums, and a fellow forum member helped me find a suitable replacement hard drive and told me he would send me a windows 7 disc he had a spare of (I've since realized that this wouldn't work,as my licence key will only work on Vista). He told me he was sending it on Dec 29th,but I've not received anything,and he hasn't responded to my pm's.
Basically, I now have an $85 hard drive (which was a bit of a financial burden to buy) sitting here waiting to be installed,a broken laptop, and a Vista licence key,with one vital ingredient missing...which brings me to my request:

Does anyone have a Vista install disc gathering dust that you would be willing to send me? I honestly don't know what else to do right now. A recovery disc from Toshiba cost $30 not including shipping,which I can't afford,and I'm not real sure that it could even reinstall windows from nothing. I used my neighbors computer to try to research my options,but honestly, there aren't many, and none that I can afford.
I also want to stress that I do have the license key,I'm not asking for that,or anything shady or illigal (I don't think). I just need the means to reinstall the os that came with the laptop. I also have no means to download anything (plus I don't think I could download a legal copy,from what I've read) as the laptop is my only computer. I would be willing to pay pal someone the price of shipping the next time I get paid. I'm pretty sure I read that Vista could be installed from the 'upgrade anytime'(?) disc, but I really don't know how reliable that info is-it seems iffy to me.
If anyone can help me with this, I would be eternally grateful. I would consider some type of trade,but I don't know what I'd have that anyone would want,but feel free to suggest something. Thank you for reading.

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Well ,I can suggest borderline legal solution .

Download the Vista RTM iso from any torrent site and use your key to activate windows .
Depending on your key ,that particular windows will be installed .
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Yea, as above. You can very easily 'obtain' the OS from online 'sources'. Then you just use your Windows key located on your machine.
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You'd have to ensure it was an untouched ISO and often they are not.
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Thanks guys but like I said I have no means to torrent anything. I did some more poking around and I'm pretty sure I want to say screw windows right now, I want to try Linux. I think my neighbor would let me use his computer to make a live CD ( and no, I don't want to ask him if I can torrent anything, i know bad things can happen & it doesn't seem polite to ask someone else to take that risk for me). So I have absolutely zero experience with Linux, I've never even seen it running, etc. Would it be a bad idea to dive into something I'm not familiar with? I'm looking at Mint, Puppy Linux, and Ubuntu. Suggestions?
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You'd have to ensure it was an untouched ISO and often they are not.
sadly . If however there is an old torent of Vista beta preview and if the md5 is available on nets (it is I think),chances are a working beta ,which can be updated to Vista with her key exist .
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Linux Mint is my preference .But I will suggest Linux Mint 11 over the newer 12 (that too I will suggest the MATE version over GNOME 3).
Linux Mint 10 KDE .
Ubuntu 11.10 is very decent too .
You can also install Kubuntu 11.10 whose functionality (and looks) is very near windows .
Mint is a Ubuntu derivative so they are almost equal functionally .
Mint scores over Ubuntu is out-of-box functionality .(I have always have a live pendrive )
I am a Mint user since Mint 7 (Earlier OpenSuse )
There is nothing out of the box like Mint .
Everything usually works on common PC configurations .

For me The rating will be
Linux Mint 10 >= Ubuntu 10.10 >= Kubuntu 11.10 >= Ubuntu 11.10
But thats me
Ubuntu has much stronger community support than Mint .
but since Both are almost equal ,the solutions are usually common .
I have also heard nice stuff about peppermint OS .
Too many choices ,too many choices

Of course if you want the plain old windows ,there is a legal method too
Download the Windows 8 Developer Preview .
You can use it till Windows 8 goes beta or Windows 8 is released .
It's a workable OS (used it for a month or so without a hitch )

Windows Metro Style Apps Developer Downloads

If you are interested
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Thanks for your suggestions! Im leaning towards Mint too, since it seems to stress ease and user friendliness.
So, basically I just download it, burn it on a CD, install my new hdd, put in the CD and turn it on? Everything loads and it walks me thru installation? Is it really that easy? Will it recognize everything it needs to, like the touchpad,speaker,wireless, etc automatically? Sorry for all the questions! This is completely foreign territory for me!

Also,can u point me where to go to download mint? I was just going to Google 'linux mint' but if I'm guessing that will bring up a whole slew of stuff, and that can be overwhelming and I'm already overwhelmed :/
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You can download it from here
Download - Linux Mint
This link is for older versions
Releases - Linux Mint

You have options for direct download from mirrors and torrents
I will suggest to download the DVD which is the complete version.
If you dont have a DVD writer (remote possibility )
You can use LiLi on your neighours computer to make a Live Bootable USB drive
Download LiLI here
http://www.linuxliveusb.com/

burn or create live USB .
install the new HDD
put in the CD or USB .
Use Boot Menu (F12 ? ) to boot from CD or USB .
install press next and stuff (username ,password,time keyboard )
roughly 10 minutes install
Keep an eye on installer after 3 minutes as it will begin downloading Language Packs
automatically (Same with Ubuntu )
Cancel it .
and in roughly 10 minutes ,you will have a working Laptop .
I dont think you will encounter any driver issue .

If you are unsure of working drivers then just use Live Mode .
You will get to know what works and what not .
You also can install from Live Mode .
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Ok, at neighbors now, going to hopefully burn CD (no DVD,no USB unfortunately,unless u can use my.phone as a USB). I also use his wifi from my apt next door...will I still be able to set that up with mint? I don't want to ask the poor man to do anything else for me,like change router settings or whatever :/

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Also, why do you recommend 11 instead if 12?

The laptop I'm putting this on is no spring chicken, probably 2 or 3 years old, and I'm unsure of the exact specs...I'm worried it won't be enough for mint..should I look at puppy Linux at all? I've read it's better for older systems
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Nah ,cant use phone as USB .
Well I would actually recommend Linux Mint 9 (since has support till April 2013 ) or 10(Since I loved it )
Linux Mint 12 has three desktops .GNOME/MGSE(A bit hinky) ,MATE and CINNAMON .Which may confuse a new user .

Mint requires atleast 512 MB ram .(1GB would be awesome )

Puppy is light on system and snappy .


But I will suggest Ubuntu or it's derivatives for beginners .Since it is out of the box .

If you want something snappier .
PepperMint OS(Again Ubuntu derivative ) is shweet
Peppermint OS

Oh and Mint CD install needs to be upgraded to DVD (There is an option available after install) so that additional prop. stuff (Like flash and codecs ) will be installed without a hitch .

It's a pity that Ubuntu stopped ShipIt last year or else you would have received Ubuntu CD delivered to your doorstep ,free of cost .
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Nah ,cant use phone as USB .
Well I would actually recommend Linux Mint 9 (since has support till April 2013 ) or 10(Since I loved it )
Linux Mint 12 has three desktops .GNOME/MGSE(A bit hinky) ,MATE and CINNAMON .Which may confuse a new user .

Mint requires atleast 512 MB ram .(1GB would be awesome )

Puppy is light on system and snappy .


But I will suggest Ubuntu or it's derivatives for beginners .Since it is out of the box .

If you want something snappier .
PepperMint OS(Again Ubuntu derivative ) is shweet
Peppermint OS

Oh and Mint CD install needs to be upgraded to DVD (There is an option available after install) so that additional prop. stuff (Like flash and codecs ) will be installed without a hitch .

It's a pity that Ubuntu stopped ShipIt last year or else you would have received Ubuntu CD delivered to your doorstep ,free of cost .

Ok well, just now finished downloading mint 11 from your first recommendation now just tying to burn the image onto a CD. Cross your fingers for me

Edit: free ISP burner wouldn't recognize the drive, so I called my.neighbor to help me and he is totally convinced that right clicking the iso file and selecting send to CD will burn it the right way. Everything I've read said you can't just save the files, you have to specifically choose 'burn as image' but I could not get him to understand this AT ALL so I'm doing it his way. Will it work this way? Sooooo frustrated right now...
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Not really .
Send to CD will send the ISO to CD !!!
CD wont boot

If you are using Windows 7 then just use the windows Disc image burner .
Double clicking the iso will do the trick.
Or open with Windows Disc Image Burner if default option.

If not free ISO,daemon tools Lite OR nero essentials should do the trick .
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Not really .
Send to CD will send the ISO to CD !!!
CD wont boot

If you are using Windows 7 then just use the windows Disc image burner .
Double clicking the iso will do the trick.
Or open with Windows Disc Image Burner if default option.

If not free ISO,daemon tools Lite OR nero essentials should do the trick .

Those all sound like lovely options, I wish I could use any of them.

Windows XP on 8 year old computer.
not logged in as administrator,can't install anything
Neighbor & family upstairs eating dinner,IM hiding like a troll in the basement because all I keep doing is asking for things and I feel like a heel about it.
IM giving up in about 3 minutes here.

dammit autocorrect, it's I'm, not IM! sheesh

Edit: yeah, I'm done for today. I got him to install a different burning program, that wouldn't recognize the drive either. Absolutely nothing is ever easy for me. Way to frustrated to try anything else right now. Grrrrrrr
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Get a usb pen drive and download YUMI from pen-drive-linux. It will make the usb as bootable. It's a stand alone .exe too so no need to install
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Get a usb pen drive and download YUMI from pen-drive-linux. It will make the usb as bootable. It's a stand alone .exe too so no need to install

Trust me, if i could just go out and get one, I would. I did research all the ways to install, and chose the one that was feasible for me to actually do today. I can't afford to go out and buy anything, whereas in had some blank cds. I'm also not real comfortable asking my neighbors for any more favors, like asking them to download a bunch of extra programs on their 8 year old somewhat worn out computer. I'm going to call my friend later in the week and see if I can use her computer to make the disc. I just really wanted to get it done today, since I'll be working all week and whatnot. Oh well, I've waited this long, what's another week.
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Solved my problem. Ordered a mint 11 dvd from ebay for $3.19. That's within my budget, and worth all 319 pennies for the headache it will spare me. Hopefully it will get here quickly, since it's being shipped from a neighboring state.
Thanks for all your suggestions everyone can't say I won't be back here when it comes time to install...but I'm hoping that it will go smoothly enough that I don't have to bother y'all with questions!
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If that turn out to be bogus, let me know - I'll download whatever you want and burn it and send it your way via mail - free.

Also, one other thing that almost [B]everyone/B] here forgot to realize, if my guess is correct:

Sadie, your Vista key - it's off the bottom of the actual Toshiba laptop, right?

If so, getting a hold of Vista from torrents will only work if she can find the OEM version of Vista, and it has to be either an AIO disc, or else have the exact version that is on the laptop. Otherwise, if she tries, for example, Vista Ultimate and tries to use her Vista Home Premium key on it it will fail.

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If that turn out to be bogus, let me know - I'll download whatever you want and burn it and send it your way via mail - free.

Also, one other thing that almost everyone here forgot to realize, if my guess is correct:

Sadie, your Vista key - it's off the bottom of the actual Toshiba laptop, right?

If so, getting a hold of Vista from torrents will only work if she can find the OEM version of Vista, and it has to be either an AIO disc, or else have the exact version that is on the laptop. Otherwise, if she tries, for example, Vista Ultimate and tries to use her Vista Home Premium key on it it will fail.

This is critical.

Wow thank you for both the offer and the information! Now i'm glad I didn't try to pursue the windows any further, I probably wouldn't have found the right thing!

I'm really hoping the ebay deal is legit (the seller had tons of feedback, 99% positive) since I've been researching everything Linux, I'm really excited to get it going. I feel like I've been without my laptop for *ages*, even tho its not even been a month. What's really funny is that before my mom lent it to me, I had been without any sort of computer for about 5 years!
I will be sure to report back here when I get the disc and (hopefully) have Mint up and running.

Any bits of "WHATEVER YOU DO, DO/DON'T DO THIS! " type of advice I should be aware of, when it comes to A) installing a hard drive, B) installing Mint, or C) using/setting up Linux in general?
I've been all the way thru linuxnewbieguide.org and found it extremely helpful, but I like to suck up as much real world information/advice as I can
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1) Make sure you ground yourself before handling the hard drive, and again before you actually go to insert it into the laptop.

2) Make sure you go into your BIOS and verify that the HD has installed correctly and can be seen for the correct size.

3) Make sure you perform a full format on the HD the first time before installing an operating system on it.

4) Make sure that you check Toshiba's website for the latest BIOS for your laptop prior to installing the HD and / or Linux

5) Make sure you make a list of the hardware in your system in case there is something that is proprietary enough that even standard Linux drivers (like ALSA for sound) won't work and you need to figure out how to make it work (truthfully, you can poll this stuff later, but since you'll be visiting the Toshiba website anyway....

6) Make sure you read and proceed carefully.

And good luck! Keep us posted, and welcome to the world of Linux!
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Umm.. Hmm... How exactly does one perform a full format of the hard drive? And um, how do I know if I have the latest BIOS? please bear in mind that the only internet access it have right now is on my dinky-screened phone...I don't even want to begin to think about what I would have to do if my BIOS wasn't right...oh dear.

Just from the stickers on the laptop I can tell you I have an ATI Radeon graphics card, realtek wireless, and an AMD Turion processor? Is that..good? I'll get on over to the Toshiba site and try to track down the other stuff....then write it down and..?..is there a list somewhere to compare it too, as far as what is/isn't compatible? Sorry, I know I should be able to hunt down simple stuff like this, but my phone is not the ideal information hunting machine :/ I've had to charge the poor thing twice today, from full charge to empty, just from all the research I've been doing. Currently I'm reading the mint user guide pdf I downloaded from the mint homepage.

It's all good tho, from what I've read so far, Linux will be worth it!
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it's not a matter of being right, it's just that if vulnerabilities are found, particularly those that might have to do with making efficient use of the different hardware in your laptop (particularly battery and peripherals) then they put out a new BIOS. This is something that you'll need access to a regular PC to check, so it's not a major deal - unless the company says "This BIOS is a critical update and should be updated immediately" or something of that nature. If you cannot do it now, keep it in mind that it may need to be done soon enough.

As for performing a full format, now that I think about it, I'm not 100% sure if there is a separate option for full versus quick in most *nix installers. At any rate, though, format the drive - and if you can find an option for a full format, go with that.

If you use the model and serial number (or some sort of 'tag' that is Toshiba specific, Dell calls them service tags) then you should be able to look at your exact model (and possibly your exact machine as well) and then you can forward that page to yourself via email from your phone and then it will be available for later use.

Keep us posted....
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So the option to format the hard drive will come up during the installation process? Not something I have to do before I start, right? I'll try to get online at work and go to the Toshiba site..not supposed to, but well you know, these things must be done occasionally :P I tried it on my phone (fun, since my wifi decided to stop working tonite and I don't have 3G) but when I went to the product support page, put in my model number and all that, clicked go and instead of taking me to a product pages with information on that model, it took me to... the download page? I dunno. I wasn't about to put in all the info again :/
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It *should* - I've never actually installed Mint before so I cannot say one way or another, but since it has to set the HD up using a completely different file system than that used in Windows it *should* also be formatting the HD as well - I'm just concerned if there is even such a thing as a quick format and if this will use it. Come to think of it, though, when changing the fs type on the HD, it should force a full format anyway, so you can probably safely ignore the fat that it never actually asks you to format but does it for you anyway (I completely forgot that the drive, if formatted, is probably FAT32 / NTFS, whereas *nix use Ext2/3/4 / Reiser / etc. for the FS, so that would require a format regardless....)
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Ok. But remember, I'm not coming from a different file system, I'm coming from a brand new clean HD. Does that make a difference?
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Nope - b/c it's either 1) pre-formatted for Windows, or 2) unformatted. Either way will require a fresh format b/c there is no est2/3/4 / Reiser on there as of now.

And might I add that it is refreshing to converse with a novice computer user who still has acumen enough to follow along and think independently of what is being said. Very good catch on your part that the HD is new, as opposed to a previously used one - most would never have thought about it....
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Well thank you! That makes me feel like less of an idiot, lol.
I like to think I somewhat know what I'm doing, but it's hard to feel confident without actually having done it before, if that makes sense.
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Lol - I hear you and I grok - I'm the same way....

I'm just happy that you looked into and fell in love with Linus all on your own lol
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Hey Sadie, a pleasure reading all the great advice you're getting. Some more suggestions:

  • I looked at your eBay seller and they do indeed have an excellent selling record going back a decade. Nonetheless, here and here contain the MD5 checksums of the Mint master copies in case you want to verify your DVD's integrity at some point.
  • There's no need for you to rush to install it. It's a "live" DVD that will boot and run perfectly well right from your DVD drive, although obviously it'll have a loooong boot time and there'll be pauses when loading some programs. So you can play with Mint to see how you like it even before you put the new hard drive in the machine.
  • You can boot the Live DVD and run the GParted and Disk Utility programs to manage the hard drive before doing the install. If the drive happens to arrive from the factory with more than one partition (rare, but happens), you'll want to delete them and then partition it the way you want for Mint.
  • I'm not sure how big your hard drive is, but a reasonable partitioning scheme might have 15GB for the "/" partition followed by the rest of the disk for "/home" -- that way you can easily upgrade your Linux in the future by overwriting the "/" system partition w/o touching your user files in "/home". IMO, right now the EXT4 filesystem provides the best combination of speed and reliability.
  • Open the Terminal program to fire up a command line window. Then you can type Linux commands just like in the old DOS days.

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Just running off the live CD right now, but holy crap, its faster than Vista was already!

Best of all, as promised it just works ! With using my neighbors wifi, sometimes things go a little wonky and i have to ask him to restart his router (or some such) because my Internet will show connected by won't actually connect. This is currently happening with my phone, so I figured no way will the computer connect.... until it did! I'm impressed.

Small question though. I went to start installing, and when it asked me what to do, at first I chose "wipe the disk and install", but the next screen basically showed that mint would take up the entire hard drive....is this what I want? I tried the "something else" option, but the next screen it gave me might as well been in sanskrit, for all I understood. I get what BlueBiker was saying about having 15GB in the "/" part and the rest open for general use....but how exactly do I make that happen? I looked into GParted (that always makes me think of, like, organized crime for some reason. maybe because the movie Departed? I dunno...but I digress....) but if I do that, will the installer recognize that I've set it up that way and use the partitions correctly? And um, how? I go to "create new partition table" and it warns me that the default is to create and MS-DOS partition....? ok...what?

I need instructions on how to proceed, if you would be so kind.

(and seriously, my formatting bar for adding pics and whatnot is totally MIA. what gives?)

EDIT: *facepalm* yeah..I can google. No, really I can. I found a sweet walkthrough for exactly what I need...its right here http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/06/02/manual-disk-partitioning-guide-for-linux-mint-11/
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Just so you know:

Everything I've ever run is faster than Vista Even Windows 7 on the same machine as Vista runs faster than Vista does....

Have fun with the install and subsequent use. That does look kinda nice. I've never actually installed Mint so I might play around with it in a VM in a coming months just for S&Gs.
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Everything I've ever run is faster than Vista Even Windows 7 on the same machine as Vista runs faster than Vista does....

Have fun with the install and subsequent use. That does look kinda nice. I've never actually installed Mint so I might play around with it in a VM in a coming months just for S&Gs.
well, yeah...but I was still surprised that even booting off the disc it was faster...
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Linux Mint is a very nice choice. Not only does it just work, but it also has the MP3 codecs and those required to playback video files. Pretty nice IMO.
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I'm curious to see if I can get her bitten by the hand-compiled bug now....
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I'm curious to see if I can get her bitten by the hand-compiled bug now....

I don't know what that is, but it sounds...complex.

So, a problem that I had totally forgotten about....my left "mouse button" tends to get stuck in the "clicked" position....which of course its doing right now, because I'm an idiot and used it...now I can't "click" on anything, with the button or by double tapping the track pad, because it already thinks it's clicking. I don't know how to make it not do this anymore.
With windows in could windows button into the menu, arrow up and over to the control panel and tab through to reassign the buttons....and that would sometimes work. However, I don't know how to do that now, or even if it's possible. I'm typing this from my phone cuz I'm pretty much lost. Tried restarting the computer, didn't work. Imma try to restart it again and maybe leave it off longer this time... Help?
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Or worse ??

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^lol. Love xkcd. I decided to try out archlinux.. pretty cool so far. Unfortunately, I missed the wireless parts during install, so now I'll to get all my updates after chroot'ing from the ubuntu partition. :P
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I started out with UNIX over 2 decades ago, but didn't really get into it.

Then started out with Linux when Fedora Core 2 was out and 3 was coming. I had a little bit of fun, but the built in HAL to poll hardware and then launch appropriate modules really didn't speed the boot process much over my current Win XP install.

Then I found Con Kalivas's patched kernel sets, and it made a bigger dent in boot time.

So, I asked around what the next step was and I was told that compiling kernels and apps by hand - and was pointed at Gentoo.

Everyone and their mother told me that compiling kernels was hard - I not only got everything but sound working on my first try, it was compiled accurately for my hardware as well (I later learned that I had to go with ALSA for that particular mobo).

I found kernel compiling easy as pie. However,....

apps was another story - I always wanted to add too many flags that I really did not need to, and it took me a while to get my head around hand compiling apps....

Truly, though, I haven't run a Gentoo box in quite a while now....But I am thinking of making a small Gentoo-based headless file server via Samba (unless there are better alternatives nowadays in terms of file and / o directory sharing from Linux to Windows) and benchmarking it's ease of use for my parents versus using WHS for them....

And, yeah, I love Munroe's xkcd - really really good stuff there.
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I've never really done any of that. I installed some apps from source in the past, but that was pretty much just configure, make, make install I think....

I'll have to think about doing a kernel one of these days. I did download the LFS pdfs and files, but I haven't gotten around to trying it out yet.

I've wasted spent a lot of time over at xkcd... too much most likely, but it's just so funny, and if not funny, it's just good.
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So, a problem that I had totally forgotten about....my left "mouse button" tends to get stuck in the "clicked" position....which of course its doing right now, because I'm an idiot and used it...now I can't "click" on anything, with the button or by double tapping the track pad, because it already thinks it's clicking. I don't know how to make it not do this anymore.
With windows in could windows button into the menu, arrow up and over to the control panel and tab through to reassign the buttons....and that would sometimes work. However, I don't know how to do that now, or even if it's possible. I'm typing this from my phone cuz I'm pretty much lost. Tried restarting the computer, didn't work. Imma try to restart it again and maybe leave it off longer this time... Help?
It sounds like a mechanical/spring problem, not a transient state that a reboot would fix. There are XWindows config utilities to swap or remap buttons, but I'm not sure how well it would work or how easy they'd be to get to with a flaky button in the first place.

Can you carefully pry the button up w/o breaking it? You might find dust or a bent spring that could be straightened. Maybe try plugging in an external mouse?

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I found kernel compiling easy as pie. However,....
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Firefox Too Big To Link On 32-bit Windows - Slashdot

I find that hilarious. Never would've occurred to me in the old days that we'd get to a point where we'd need a 64bit machine just to compile and link a single program.

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I'm not sure if he's talked about it, but apparently a close friend or family member of Randall's was going through a major illness in this last year. It came through in some of his comics with extra poignancy but no less of his trademark wry humor.
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Yeah, I'm gonna ask my mom about an external mouse. I'm pretty sure she has one. I wish there was the option to set a certain area of the trackpad to serve as a right click, so that I could set the configuration as left handed(use the right button as 'left' click) and use the trackpad for right click, but that's not in my mouse options. Right now, I just switch between left handed and right handed, depending on what I need to do. Kinda of a pita to switch, but not too horrible.

I'm really getting lost when I try to use something like Docky, or try to set something up to start on start up. I can't just select a program from a list, i have to enter a command-when I select browse, it takes me to places and folders. How do I tell it to launch say, firefox, when I click on, say, the firefox icon i dragged into Docky? Is it as easy as "launch firefox"? I'm doubting it...
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I'm really getting lost when I try to use something like Docky, or try to set something up to start on start up. I can't just select a program from a list, i have to enter a command-when I select browse, it takes me to places and folders. How do I tell it to launch say, firefox, when I click on, say, the firefox icon i dragged into Docky? Is it as easy as "launch firefox"? I'm doubting it...
Not sure what isn't working for you. I just fired up Mint 11 in VirtualBox, installed the Docky app, created a few new docks, and was able to drag items from the start menu onto the docks. You shouldn't have to type or browse anything, just drag'n'drop from the start menu. You can also drag'n'drop the icons directly onto the desktop or the bottom taskbar.

Can you be more specific about what isn't happening?
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oooh dear, i think i managed to screw something up.

Really the only things i did today was to upgrade thunderbird, install lightning, and muck about with some firefox extensions...but...

Update Manager won't work now. I get a long error message that I don't understand (can't get to it now to post it for you, you'll see why)

So I shut down the computer, walked away for a bit, turned it back on. Every time i clicked I got a "couldn't grab your mouse" error. Shut down again. Started back up, didn't get the error again.

Now it will recognize my trackpad long enough to get firefox open, then nothing. (well, not nothing, i can move the pointer, I just can't click anything,with the buttons or the pad) Except in firefox. It works just fine in the browser, and I can get the AWN dock to unhide when I hover near the bottom of my screen, but I can't click on anything outside of the browser. Oh and my main toolbar thing, I have it docked on top of the screen, on autohide...it won't hide. So I can't minimize my browser.

I've tried googling, but my search foo is weak this evening. Please help? I was just getting everything all nice and setup...

EDIT: This is the error I get when I try to use update manager or package manager.....crap, no it won't let me paste. Now I just tried to click update manager to get the error to come up, since it was letting me click on Menu ok, I thought it might let me. I got the "could not grab mouse" error again, and I'm getting it every time I click now, even in the browser, where I wasn't before. Also, whenever I launch firefox, it opens 2 firefox windows. Also, on one of my many restarts, I managed to bring up the mouse control options menu, and everything was fine, but then every single time i clicked, it brought that menu back up, to the point that I had no choice but to restart (again)

EDIT 2.0: OK then, took a pic of my screen with my phone to get the error..basically is this:
Reading package lists...ERROR!
E: Encountered a section with no package: header
E: Problem with Mergelist var/lib/apt/lists/packages.linuxmint.com_dists_katya_import_il8n_tra nslation-en
E: The package lists or status could not be parsed or opened

This actual error was from me trying to install opera thru the terminal (apt install opera) because I didnt want to try with update manager again, since that ends in me having to ctrl+alt+del shutdown pretty much everytime, and I thought maybe something with firefox was causing issues since most of this crap doesn't start until ive launched it. But im 99% sure its the same error message.
Also, when I go into the file manager, I can't click on the..hrm..the hard drive icon thingy whatsitcalled..whatever, one time I got it open, but couldnt open any of the folders inside.

crap. also, I had installed keepass, but decided I wouldnt use it, so I uninstalled it, but when I log in after startup, it still asks me for the keyring password, even tho the program is supposedly uninstalled.

oh this is all going to hell in handbasket, innit?
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Hey Sadie, in a hurry right now but want to give a quick response.

You really need to fix the hardware. You won't get anywhere in Mint or really any operating system if the hardware is transmitting infinite phantom mouse clicks.

Can you pry the button up? At this point it's probably worth doing even if you break the button, because you really can't do much with it as is!
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You really need to fix the hardware. You won't get anywhere in Mint or really any operating system if the hardware is transmitting infinite phantom mouse clicks.

Can you pry the button up? At this point it's probably worth doing even if you break the button, because you really can't do much with it as is!
its not a mouse issue right now, im positive of that. the mouse is working just fine right here in firefox. the mouse is not whats causing my desktop to freeze, and i guarantee its not whats causing the error i get when im trying to use update manager or package manager. Im pretty sure this is all related somehow, and im also pretty sure it does not all stem from a sticky button! I dont mean to be rude, I do appreciate all the past help, but honestly, the mouse is like 1% of the problems im having right now. Im guessing it has something to do with something i installed or uninstalled the wrong way or something, i dont know...im searching now to find out what /var/lib/apt/lists/packages.linuxmint.com_dists_katya_import_i180_Tra nslation-en is and how I can make it not messed up anymore...
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Well, apt (/var/lib/apt/...) is the package manager, (ie: apt-get install Package_name)

so it looks like something to do with the list of packages, and from looking through my ubuntu install, it looks like these are records of the packages that exist and information related. For example, I can see package name, priority, install size, who maintains the package, file size and three hashes of the file (md5, sha1 and sha256). There is also a package description, support time line, and from where the package originates (I'm guessing this is who added the package).

I don't know what to say about there being an error, but perhaps
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apt-get update
Not sure, I've never had errors with those.
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I dunno ,but I think this is due to software update, probably this will solve it
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#rm -R /var/lib/apt/lists/*
#apt-get update
#apt-get upgrade
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Well, apt (/var/lib/apt/...) is the package manager, (ie: apt-get install Package_name)

so it looks like something to do with the list of packages, and from looking through my ubuntu install, it looks like these are records of the packages that exist and information related. For example, I can see package name, priority, install size, who maintains the package, file size and three hashes of the file (md5, sha1 and sha256). There is also a package description, support time line, and from where the package originates (I'm guessing this is who added the package).

I don't know what to say about there being an error, but perhaps
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apt-get update
Not sure, I've never had errors with those.
tried that, got this:



trying the next suggestion now!

also, looks like maybe i need to change the repository? perhaps? i dunno....every google result i got was forum posts from june-august 2011 so I dont know how reliable any of that is

EDIT: no go, got this, which i think is pretty much the same thing. took alot longer than usual tho.



did i mention i had also gotten this at some point? (when i was missing the translation whatsit, i tried to download it from the mint repository...maybe not a good idea?)



So, from what im gathering, i need to look at my ummm...source list? how? look for what? why can i not google these things and find any decent, recent answers? grrrr

oh, and i did read that you could go in a edit the source list (or something) and change 'natty' to 'maverick' but again, this info was at least 6 months old, and in a Ubuntu forum as well, soooo yeah

ARG, can't...stop..EDITING! anyways, i did just happen to notice that my update manager shieldy thing in the corner has gone from having an angry red X on it to a nice blue i....thats a good sign right? I think im gonna reboot here and see if things might be better now.
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well, linux mint is ubuntu based (unless you opted for the debian base...), so maybe that'd work. I don't know if they maintain their own repos.... It looks like it is ignoring all of the lists, which doesn't seem right.

I wonder if you could just pop in the live disc you installed from and copy over that list to your current setup? Maybe compare the two with diff?

If you can do that, then I'd proceed with the commands there, apt-get update and apt-get install -f ... not sure...
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