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Windows 7, Vista or XP?
I hope this question wasn't asked before. I just wonder what opearating system are you using and why do you think it is better than the other two?
I personally like Windows 7 not only for design but it's also easy to install and use. It comes with installed drivers so you don't have much to do when it comes to installing Windows 7. That's my point of view
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Every other operating system seems to be the trend with Microsoft operating systems. That being the case, I'm probably going to avoid Windows 8
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I am using XP at home, 7 at school. I did use 7 for a bit on my netbook, but my license went haywire and I haven't bothered to call MS to fix it. My computer (XP) came with Vista, and save for a few BSODs and other things, I didn't really mind it too much.
Also using linux on my netbook and a few VMs.
I have to agree with A. I don't really see a point in upgrading to 8, seven is still a hatchling.
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Linux here, Kubuntu specifically. Windows works fine for those who need a function / program not found in Linux, however, I'd rather support open source. Don't jump all over me Anon, I'm aware you make a living supporting Windows. I find it easier to help out family members if they are using Linux, no driver or license issues.
Linux here, Kubuntu specifically. Windows works fine for those who need a function / program not found in Linux, however, I'd rather support open source. Don't jump all over me Anon, I'm aware you make a living supporting Windows. I find it easier to help out family members if they are using Linux, no driver or license issues.
I have no philosophical problems with open source. I'm an Android user obviously. I think there are pros and cons of both. I advocate people pick what works best for them regardless of whether it's open or closed.
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i'm currently using Windows 7 Pro x64, 7 Ultimate x64 and 7 Home Premium
i think 7 is better than Vista and XP because one crashes everywhere and the other doesn't have any new updates/patches.
Every other operating system seems to be the trend with Microsoft operating systems. That being the case, I'm probably going to avoid Windows 8
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That way of thinking is proven.
95a had issues
95b not as many
98 had issues
98SE better
Millennium (worst MS OS ever.)
NT4 ...picky on hardware
W2K much improved
XP initially was a pain,XP with SP1 and greater was good
Vista (takes the title of 2nd worst MS OS)
Win7 best so far.
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hey, one of the Warp 4 flavors supports SMP (Symmetrical multi processor, a big thing back then, and it took so many diskettes to install it.) I was there at the launch party at Redmond on Aug 24 1995 for Windows 95. Lucky i didn't have to debug/reboot anything that day, but many times thereafter
I like 7 and xp. I prefer xp from a support perspective. In 7 they moved all the tools / options I use. Supposedly to make then easily located by johnny-off-the-street, but I prefer everything before.
Luckily manage hasn't changed and run commands are pretty much the same.
That said, win 7 brings some great features (event based triggers for task scheduler is my favourite) and to use as a desktop environment Is simple and nice to use.
I have the choice and I choose 7 for those home machines that use windows.
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Better Security (until some idiot user goes in and disabled UAC b/c his friends said it makes his game play better)
Great resource management
In that order.
The single biggest flaw of XP is that they took the NT kernel and made it available for use by the general public without understanding just how limited that general public's knowledge about security really is. If only they had had the foresight to not make the default user full admin on the system when installing XP - the face of Malware today would be a very different thing.
Out of the choices listed, I go with 7. If I'm allowed to include my own choices, then I add Gentoo, Xubuntu and MacOS to the mix. Yeah, I went there.
Win XP was the last OS my old job allowed me to have and I left that job in '07. Since then, I've tried Vista and W7 and I would prefer W7, but I doubt I will buy it. I'm a long time Linux user.
IMHO, today's Linux are just as good if not better than Windows OS, so I see no need to spend my hard earned dollars for it, because I can't afford to keep buying new hardware.
None of the above. (Well, one Vista laptop which gets used to download stuff for the children's toys. Entirely appropriate...)
The day-to-day machines in my house run either Mepis or openSUSE. In that order of preference. I only really run openSUSE to gain experience of a non Debian based system.
What can I say? I like to think outside of the box. That's probably why the options provided didn't really fit apart from the one barely ever used vista laptop.
On the subject of Vista, I've never really got all the hate directed specifically at it. In my experience, it's no better or worse than MS's other offerings.
If you have a crafter in the family - I would advise getting an XP box cheap, keep it offline and for crafts only. Transfer any updates from a current online computer. Some need to be flashed, but those usually don't open a browser. They go directly to the site where the update is located.
I remember a mess when Vista came out. Home machine embroiderers would get a Vista computer, and the sewing software company hadn't caught up. If you pay 2 grand for the software, this is the pits.
Windows 7 has been out for how long? I just tried to help a friend with a paper crafting device, and on their website it states XP or Vista. It can take more than 2 years to get the software up to par from the developers.
There are still good usable sewing/embroidery machines around. Some used floppies to transfer files, and some come with a connecting cable that is still printer or 9 pin. Some of these are not even supported in the newer software. It depends on the company. A new TOL system with software can cost well over 10 grand. I don't have that kind of money.
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I've used them all from Win98+. Just like many others have stated, it appears to be one of those every other gen editions that are good. I really do like W7 Ultimate x64 though.
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Better Security (until some idiot user goes in and disabled UAC b/c his friends said it makes his game play better)
Great resource management
Just out of curiosity, what do you use PowerShell for? I can't say that I've ever used it on my desktop and I don't know of any users who have ever used it either. Every once in a blue moon I've used it on a 2008 server for the odd scripting job, but not very often and certainly not often enough to claim I'm any expert in it's use. I've seen a couple of people on here talk about how great PowerShell is and I'm honestly curious what use there is for it on a day to day basis.
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Win XP was the last OS my old job allowed me to have and I left that job in '07. Since then, I've tried Vista and W7 and I would prefer W7, but I doubt I will buy it. I'm a long time Linux user.
IMHO, today's Linux are just as good if not better than Windows OS, so I see no need to spend my hard earned dollars for it, because I can't afford to keep buying new hardware.
I do have XP at home but hardly use it.
I had the opposite experience. When I built my box I had planned on using Linux as a virtual host and run several different Windows virtual guests. I was not thrilled with Ubuntu, used it for a few weeks and eventually went to W7 as a host. The OS worked, was stable, but I found I kept having to go back to the command line to do everything. The GUI was somewhat useful, but it was certainly not possible to do everything I wanted/needed to do from the GUI. I find the command line to be very user unfriendly and when I'm at home I don't want to have to constantly use it.
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On the subject of Vista, I've never really got all the hate directed specifically at it. In my experience, it's no better or worse than MS's other offerings.
I have nothing but hate for Vista. I swear every Vista computer I've touched has been the most unstable piece of crap in the world. Crashing right and left. Hanging up. Generally non-functional. Honestly, the only difference between Vista and 7 that I've really seen is more stability. I've never had my W7 computer crash unless I've done something cute with the hardware and caused it. I have the occasional app crash like you see on any OS, but it never brings the OS down with it like previous versions of Windows did.
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If you have a crafter in the family - I would advise getting an XP box cheap, keep it offline and for crafts only. Transfer any updates from a current online computer. Some need to be flashed, but those usually don't open a browser. They go directly to the site where the update is located.
I remember a mess when Vista came out. Home machine embroiderers would get a Vista computer, and the sewing software company hadn't caught up. If you pay 2 grand for the software, this is the pits.
Windows 7 has been out for how long? I just tried to help a friend with a paper crafting device, and on their website it states XP or Vista. It can take more than 2 years to get the software up to par from the developers.
There are still good usable sewing/embroidery machines around. Some used floppies to transfer files, and some come with a connecting cable that is still printer or 9 pin. Some of these are not even supported in the newer software. It depends on the company. A new TOL system with software can cost well over 10 grand. I don't have that kind of money.
Will those apps run under XP mode on Windows 7? I'm trying to think if I've ever found an app that will run on XP, but not in Windows 7. I can't think of very many. Of course the problem would be getting support. Tech support is liable to tell you the reason is that you're running on W7 and then you're screwed.
On a day to day basis it has replaced me need to drop down to the regular cmd prompt for just about ... anything. It's the main reason why my batch writing skills have grown so lax (I used to create custom DOS Shells using batch files - pretty little menus, blinky text, etc. - for when I needed repetitive tasks performed. Now? I have to look all the friggin commands up again - b/c so many parameters and switches have changed....)
On a day to day basis it has replaced me need to drop down to the regular cmd prompt for just about ... anything. It's the main reason why my batch writing skills have grown so lax (I used to create custom DOS Shells using batch files - pretty little menus, blinky text, etc. - for when I needed repetitive tasks performed. Now? I have to look all the friggin commands up again - b/c so many parameters and switches have changed....)
Second question then. What do you use a command prompt for on a regular basis? I find the only time I'm ever in a command prompt in Windows is for diagnostic purposes. Something has broke and I'm trying to fix it. Otherwise, I never, ever use it. Even then, it's only for specific problems and usually network related. I fix computers for a living and can spend a week without ever touching a command prompt.
I would not tell people new to linux to use Ubuntu. Since maybe the last year or so, it has not been very stable because of using too much bleeding edge software/changes.
Now I would recommend Mint, SalixOS (based on Slackware made easy), Mepis and/or Mageia (based on Mandriva). IMO, these are some very good and stable distros for newbies. No need to use CLI unless one wants to.
Just a thought.
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...even back then, x.0 versions of Microsoft OSs were usually best avoided.
Windows 3.0...not good
Windows 3.1 and 3.11....good
Windows 95(4.0)...not good
Windows 98(4.1)...good
Windows XP(NT 5.1)...good
Windows Vista(NT 6.0)....not good
Windows 7(NT 6.1)...good
Never had any experience of Windows ME(4.9), but I heard it was rather bad...the exception to the x.0 rules of MS OSs.
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On a day to day basis it has replaced me need to drop down to the regular cmd prompt for just about ... anything. It's the main reason why my batch writing skills have grown so lax (I used to create custom DOS Shells using batch files - pretty little menus, blinky text, etc. - for when I needed repetitive tasks performed. Now? I have to look all the friggin commands up again - b/c so many parameters and switches have changed....)
Got my start with DOS 5 I remember buying Batch Files for Dummies and checking all the really cool batch sites. Man I had some crazy stuff going with Ansi and prompt commands. When 95 and the likes came out I started making really great menu driven boot disk that you could diagnose most problems with. I still have one or two of those around I think. I remember putting in hours and hours on a menu system getting it to work and look decent. Playing with colors and all kinds of craziness. Man those were great days of computing.
Parameters and Switches are not the only things that have changed a lot of the commands themselves have changed. Most can only be run in a Windows environment. No Real modes anymore.
now on the subject.
My Home server is Fedora 14
My download Computer is Fedora 15
My Wifes Laptop and My Laptop are Windows 7
My two girls have our old Windows XP
I've used Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Debian, OpenSuse, DOS, Dr DOS, BEOS, Winblows 3.0 - 7 (actually 7 is ok) , Caldera, Mandrake (Who later became Mandriva), PCLOS, Sabyon, Fedora.
Most I dealt with briefly. I did have DOS until 98 I did run 95 but mostly did stuff in DOS at that time. Only used the Gui to do internet stuff. I Would have like to played more with BEOS but really didnt get that much of a chance. I'm no expert or anything. I'm just a user. I did like doing the batch files and stuff that was fun. I started getting hardware that was no longer supported under DOS by the time 98 came out. Most of the new hardware then was pretty much Window Drivers. Linux Mint I installed looked at and said yeah not for me (KDE) And very very Green. I don't mind green but not that much. Fedora is my Fav OS even though I really want to give Gentoo a go. I just haven't read and learned how to install it. But that will be a project for me to do. Maybe with the old laptop.
Mac OS - Never been there
Windows - XP and 7 even though I did like 98
Linux - Fedora, Mandriva, PCLOS
Others - DOS 5 - 6.2
Just out of curiosity, what do you use PowerShell for? I can't say that I've ever used it on my desktop and I don't know of any users who have ever used it either. Every once in a blue moon I've used it on a 2008 server for the odd scripting job, but not very often and certainly not often enough to claim I'm any expert in it's use. I've seen a couple of people on here talk about how great PowerShell is and I'm honestly curious what use there is for it on a day to day basis.
I had the opposite experience. When I built my box I had planned on using Linux as a virtual host and run several different Windows virtual guests. I was not thrilled with Ubuntu, used it for a few weeks and eventually went to W7 as a host. The OS worked, was stable, but I found I kept having to go back to the command line to do everything. The GUI was somewhat useful, but it was certainly not possible to do everything I wanted/needed to do from the GUI. I find the command line to be very user unfriendly and when I'm at home I don't want to have to constantly use it.
I have nothing but hate for Vista. I swear every Vista computer I've touched has been the most unstable piece of crap in the world. Crashing right and left. Hanging up. Generally non-functional. Honestly, the only difference between Vista and 7 that I've really seen is more stability. I've never had my W7 computer crash unless I've done something cute with the hardware and caused it. I have the occasional app crash like you see on any OS, but it never brings the OS down with it like previous versions of Windows did.
Will those apps run under XP mode on Windows 7? I'm trying to think if I've ever found an app that will run on XP, but not in Windows 7. I can't think of very many. Of course the problem would be getting support. Tech support is liable to tell you the reason is that you're running on W7 and then you're screwed.
I think they will run - BUT you have to buy the professional version of 7 to get XP mode. The same goes for the Cricut devices. They have the handheld Gypsy and a computer program that lets you combine from various cartridges. Right on the web site - XP and Vista only.
You have to turn off security, too. I helped a Pfaff person try to install Pfaff's computer suite on a customer's Vista laptop. The customer had taken the laptop to get the security (McAfee in this case) off, as she wanted to get the Pfaff 4D running and install Norton. She had taken the laptop to the Geek Squad.
Laptop kept telling our rep to disable security. I finally searched - not only was McAfee still in the registry, but so were traces of other AVs. I wrote down the paths, gave her the note and told her to raise hell with the Geek Squad. A supervisor cleaned it and credited the original charge. Once 4D was running, she took the computer home and installed Norton. Like I said - if you pay 2 grand for the software, this is a hassle.
An embroidery machine runs sort of like a CAD or a vector program. Every time you enter new stitches or hoop size, etc - all those coordinates change. So by the time all the bugs are out, the software is behind the curve. The first computer Pfaffs let you program in your own stitches. You did it with a graph and X,Y coordinates.
When you flash some of this, you do not use a browser. The computer connects directly to the machine's site for the flash download.
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From my extended Windows experience, I'd say 7. It's a little more stable, although I sometimes find the UI slightly offending me, treating me like I'm an idiot. Vista is a piece of shista. But XP was pretty good.
However, in another sense, XP gave me a more usable 'god mode' (probably a result of the NT port). 7 locks things down a bit more.
HP Pavilion Quad Core 3GB RAM 2 x 500HDD, (one on dock station) Win 7 Home Premium 32 bit on pc and Win 7 Home Premium 64 on laptop. Would never change back. Once you get used to Win 7 you will never want to use anything else again. The problems with Vista which I had many a time have vanished. XP can not handle a lot of modern software anymore, in fact some thing wont run at all.
You can not be faulted for not 'wanting to change' but is that because it something you are used to? Get Win 7, get used to it, takes a while, and then sit back and let Win 7 run your pc (you need 'big' CPUs). And, as I have just found out, if your video card stutters with Win 7, (its not Win 7) then upgrade your power pack from 300w (mine) to 450w; when mine arrives, it will provide my pc with the necessary boost it obviously needs.
I also recently made IE9 my default browser because there appears to be a major conflict between Firefox (latest ver) and Win 7. Firefox says its running when, in fact, its not and consequently won't open. PC is now a lot smoother.
If you are on IE8 or earlier, Win 7 does not like them.
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HP Pavilion Quad Core 3GB RAM 2 x 500HDD, (one on dock station) Win 7 Home Premium 32 bit on pc and Win 7 Home Premium 64 on laptop. Would never change back. Once you get used to Win 7 you will never want to use anything else again. The problems with Vista which I had many a time have vanished. XP can not handle a lot of modern software anymore, in fact some thing wont run at all.
You can not be faulted for not 'wanting to change' but is that because it something you are used to? Get Win 7, get used to it, takes a while, and then sit back and let Win 7 run your pc (you need 'big' CPUs). And, as I have just found out, if your video card stutters with Win 7, (its not Win 7) then upgrade your power pack from 300w (mine) to 450w; when mine arrives, it will provide my pc with the necessary boost it obviously needs.
I also recently made IE9 my default browser because there appears to be a major conflict between Firefox (latest ver) and Win 7. Firefox says its running when, in fact, its not and consequently won't open. PC is now a lot smoother.
If you are on IE8 or earlier, Win 7 does not like them.
When i am on 7 I use Firefox and have never had an issue. All updated
I've had the bug in FF where it doesn't close. It just runs in the background after you click to close it. Then when you try to launch it later, it says it's still running. It's a FF thing that affects some configurations of Windows. Not sure why. I've not had it on every machine, but I've certainly had it on some.
I am running Windows 7 and have been since pre-launch. I was able to get a copy by offering to hold a windows 7 "party" on launch day. It was an interesting gimick.
On my Fujitsu UH900 Windows 7, because that's what it came with. Office desktop PC has XP in Chinese, but I usually use Linux Mint on that as I don't exactly trust Chinese XP.
XP I got on fine with. Vista.... never used it myself, but hated it anyway 'cos so many others had problems and turned to me for advice. Windows 7 (x64) though I love.
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I've still got 3.5" installation diskettes for every version from 3.1 to 7.0.
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I should have mentioned OS/2 Warp 4.0 ...that could have been a decent contender at the time NT4 was around.
Ahh OS/2.... happy days! If only IBM had shown a bit of backbone and stayed the course.
I've had the bug in FF where it doesn't close. It just runs in the background after you click to close it. Then when you try to launch it later, it says it's still running. It's a FF thing that affects some configurations of Windows. Not sure why. I've not had it on every machine, but I've certainly had it on some.
Are you sure that's not an MS thing? They've been known to do some tricky stuff with other companies software.
I believe the biggest problem with vista was really third party drivers. Microsoft implemented an entirely new driver scheme for vista, and third parties were not ready for.
MS did have some issues with vista, and UAC left a lot to be desired, but I built 4 systems with vista (2 for myself and 2 for friends/ family) and none of them had any stability issues.
The primary reason I finally upgraded to Win7 was for native TRIM support for my SSD upgrade.
Windows 7, Vista or XP?
