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Old August 26th, 2012, 04:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default So I FINALLY built my new rig....

Here's the specs...

Cooler Master HAF 912

ASUS P2Z77-V Motherboard

Intel Ivy Bridge i5 3570K - Standard clock. For now.

EVGA GTX GeForce 570 HD GPU

WD Caviar Black 1 TB

(Couldn't justify the extra cost for SSD.)

Corsair Vengence DDR3 1600Mhz 8GB

Thermaltak 850W Power Supply (Modular!!)

LG Something or another bluray RW

And not really part of the "build" per say, but hands down the best set of $30 speakers I've ever purchased.

Cyber Acoustics 2.1 Computer Speakers.

So far it benchmarks really good, and at stock fans and heatsync (yeah i know, heresy) the temperatures are really good under load. I plan on adding about 4-5 more case fans and eventually replace the heatsync with a better aftermarket when/if I decide to push the processor past stock clock.

I also found out the hard way that another 570 HD won't fit in my case, so if/when I decide to go SLI I'll have to upgrade the case and remount EVERYTHING. /facepalm

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That looks pretty much like my PC, except that mine has an older asus motherboard and I've got a sandy bridge i5. Good choice!

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I also found out the hard way that another 570 HD won't fit in my case, so if/when I decide to go SLI I'll have to upgrade the case and remount EVERYTHING. /facepalm
Hah, yeah, I was surprised at how large the 570 was too. I got the MSI version, which takes up two expansion card slots as yours does, but then it has the fans and heatsink sticking out below that, meaning it takes up another slot.

Luckily I wasn't planning on SLI, so I managed to get everything in there.
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That looks pretty much like my PC, except that mine has an older asus motherboard and I've got a sandy bridge i5. Good choice!



Hah, yeah, I was surprised at how large the 570 was too. I got the MSI version, which takes up two expansion card slots as yours does, but then it has the fans and heatsink sticking out below that, meaning it takes up another slot.

Luckily I wasn't planning on SLI, so I managed to get everything in there.
This Ivy Bridge CPU is sick fast, and it barely consumes any power. I can't wait to get some additional fans installed so I can start pushing the processor a little bit and see how it handles the benchmarks.
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That's a nice build. I'm saving up to make my next one. I might also wait until SSD's come down a bit more (though the prices have been falling lately).
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Nice job. I'm not jealous, yet, but you're outclassing me in all depts except the system drive (and system RAM) - I justified the expense long ago for an SSD, and now I'm looking for a super fast SATA 3 drive to replace my aging Intel X25-M 80 GB drive.
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You planning on overclocking the 3570k?
Those little buggers can clock HIGH at low temps.

I run my 3570k at 4.8GHz, temps are no higher than 80*C
Cooling is an Arctic Cooling Freezer 13, and 3 case intake fans.
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You planning on overclocking the 3570k?
Those little buggers can clock HIGH at low temps.

I run my 3570k at 4.8GHz, temps are no higher than 80*C
Cooling is an Arctic Cooling Freezer 13, and 3 case intake fans.
I'm going to run a full spread, so two intake and 3 exhaust fans, one of the exhaust fans being 200mm at the top.
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I ought to consider overclocking mine. I have the 2500k, which supposedly is pretty easy to get a fair amount of extra speed out of.

I thought ahead whilst building it and replaced the tiny heatsink that came with the processor, but right now I'm only using the stock case fans.
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I ought to consider overclocking mine. I have the 2500k, which supposedly is pretty easy to get a fair amount of extra speed out of.

I thought ahead whilst building it and replaced the tiny heatsink that came with the processor, but right now I'm only using the stock case fans.
I originally wanted to get a hyper212, but looking at photo's of other people's setups it was just too crowded for comfort. =/
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I originally wanted to get a hyper212, but looking at photo's of other people's setups it was just too crowded for comfort. =/
That's the one I have. It sure is big -I don't know if I would be able to add fans to the side panel with it in.
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SSD prices are coming down, I've just got a 120gb Samsung SSD for £65 from Dabs.

With a rig like that, it seems a shame not to get the OS onto a SSD and increase the boot times!
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Nice rig. I've never really liked Cooler Master cases, but to each their own. Great choice on the RAM and GPU, btw. I have the same RAM, but GTX 580 in mine. I love my Corsair 600T SE case though.
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SSD prices are coming down, I've just got a 120gb Samsung SSD for £65 from Dabs.

With a rig like that, it seems a shame not to get the OS onto a SSD and increase the boot times!
The plan is to eventually move the OS and all the applications to an SSD, but I have a few higher priority things i have to budget for first.

I still need a NEW UPS, more fans, a few other things.
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You planning on overclocking the 3570k?
Those little buggers can clock HIGH at low temps.

I run my 3570k at 4.8GHz, temps are no higher than 80*C
Cooling is an Arctic Cooling Freezer 13, and 3 case intake fans.

I don't know much - still a noob - but 80°C sounds high?
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Here's the specs...

Cooler Master HAF 912

ASUS P2Z77-V Motherboard

Intel Ivy Bridge i5 3570K - Standard clock. For now.

EVGA GTX GeForce 570 HD GPU

WD Caviar Black 1 TB

(Couldn't justify the extra cost for SSD.)

Corsair Vengence DDR3 1600Mhz 8GB

Thermaltak 850W Power Supply (Modular!!)

LG Something or another bluray RW

And not really part of the "build" per say, but hands down the best set of $30 speakers I've ever purchased.

Cyber Acoustics 2.1 Computer Speakers.

So far it benchmarks really good, and at stock fans and heatsync (yeah i know, heresy) the temperatures are really good under load. I plan on adding about 4-5 more case fans and eventually replace the heatsync with a better aftermarket when/if I decide to push the processor past stock clock.

I also found out the hard way that another 570 HD won't fit in my case, so if/when I decide to go SLI I'll have to upgrade the case and remount EVERYTHING. /facepalm

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How much did it cost?
Trying to do a similar thing for around 5-800 quid. Would love a i7 too...
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Trying to do a similar thing for around 5-800 quid. Would love a i7 too...
All said and done it was about $1200.00

Google says that be about ₤760
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I don't know much - still a noob - but 80°C sounds high?
Yeah, that does seem very warm to me. My rig under full load doesn't exceed 67-69 on stock clock speeds.
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All said and done it was about $1200.00

Google says that be about ₤760
Thats exactly my budget!

and now I know what kind of motherboard and PSU to get, as I had no idea before...... assuming your set up works well....

I've also looked at the same i5 processor, although I have been shown the 2500K , and a few AMD's.

It would be great if anyone could have a look at my "list of items" I made , and say which parts I should get / ignore / change etc ...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8hnnvm3lfrwgb9s/Book11.xlsx
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Thats exactly my budget!

and now I know what kind of motherboard and PSU to get, as I had no idea before...... assuming your set up works well....

I've also looked at the same i5 processor, although I have been shown the 2500K , and a few AMD's.

It would be great if anyone could have a look at my "list of items" I made , and say which parts I should get / ignore / change etc ...

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All said and done it was about $1200.00

Google says that be about ₤760
Unfortunately we typically pay more for this kind of thing than you do. (Mainly because of VAT - a blanket 20% tax on most goods).

So it will probably pan out more expensive than a straight $ -> £ conversion.
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Thats exactly my budget!

and now I know what kind of motherboard and PSU to get, as I had no idea before...... assuming your set up works well....

I've also looked at the same i5 processor, although I have been shown the 2500K , and a few AMD's.

It would be great if anyone could have a look at my "list of items" I made , and say which parts I should get / ignore / change etc ...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8hnnvm3lfrwgb9s/Book11.xlsx
That's nearly identical to my build. There's not much different in price between the 2500k and the 3750k, so definitely opt for the Ivy Bridge.

I love your case! It looks roomy and well ventilated. The 570 HD is a great GPU, plays Skyrim on Ultra all on a 1080p@23" over DVI without even breaking a sweat.

Keep in mind the 570 is HUGE, so if you plan on SLI you might want to get a full size tower. The ASUS motherboard has worked pretty good so far, and the BIOS seems pretty straightforward. OC'ing looks easy enough even though I Haven't dove into it yet.

Another case for the Ivy Bridge is the built in GPU. If you plan on using more than two monitors you can use the built in HD 3000 graphics to support an extra monitor, as the 570 can only support two monitors. I find this useful for dual monitors and using the HDMI out on the onboard graphics for HD streaming of movies and such to my 50" HDTV.

One other thing. Unless you plan on moving your OS install to an SSD (Like I plan to) I would opt for the black caviar.
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Cheers man.

1. I know. I love the case. Question is do i take white, or black and blue/red?

2. I have no idea what sli is

3. I might move my os to am ssd, but I'm tight for budget... So whatever is good for just normal stuff, the black..

4. Not gonna use more than 2 monitors, although I like the idea if streaming onto my tv... How?

5. I've updated that spreadsheet with what I think I'm gonna get ( near to definate)

6. Budget won't really allow a brand new hd monitor :-( gonna have a look in Costco, online or wait for sales... Or get a job...

7. Just realised both NVIDIA and EVGA make a 570 GPU. Same price but EVGA's has bigger Ram but reviews say it over heats too much. Nothing bad about the nvidia ( has two fans rather than one)
Would this even be a problem in my case?
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2: SLI means running two graphics cards in the same PC. It's more powerful, obviously, but you need a larger power supply, a motherboard and case big enough to allow it and you sometimes you need nvidea to release SLI profiles for each game if it doesn't work off the bat.

The ATI version of this is known as crossfire.

7: Basically, nvidea and ATI create their graphics cards and these are the reference versions. Then other companies like EVGA, MSI or PNY come along and tweak it slightly, like with more memory, better cooling, higher clock speed, etc.

So my point is there are lots of different versions of the 570 at slightly different prices and with different features. Personally I went for the MSI version because the cooling was beefed up.
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I've seen the EVGA version, which has more memory but would cooling be a problem in my case?
Also overclocking doesn't void the warranty.

Is this the msi you used : Cards)
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Also overclocking doesn't void the warranty.

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I got the Twin Forza III version. It looks like it's slightly overclocked compared to the Twin Forza II: 770Mhz vs 750Mhz core clock speed, which isn't much.
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I got the Twin Forza III version. It looks like it's slightly overclocked compared to the Twin Forza II: 770Mhz vs 750Mhz core clock speed, which isn't much.

But I could oc it?

Would you recomend that over the Asus (1.2gb) or EVGA (2gb) models?

Also found this : http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1280mb-evga-gtx-570-hd-ds-40nm-3800mhz-gddr5-gpu-732mhz-shader-1464mhz-480-cores-dvi-dp-hdmi-plusfre

And still waiting for a reply on the cooling. :-P
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But I could oc it?

Would you recomend that over the Asus (1.2gb) or EVGA (2gb) models?

Also found this : EVGA 1280MB GeForce GTX 570 HD DS NVIDIA Graphics Card - 012-P3-1577-KR - Scan.co.uk

And still waiting for a reply on the cooling. :-P
Any of them can be overclocked, yeah. Of course exactly how much will vary, even between two of the same make.

I'm not too knowledgable on the finer points to compare the different makes, but I found this thread and they seemed to favour the MSI TF III or the Asus versions overall.
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I would think better cooling is the deal maker, and the link definitely says the msi is best.

Cheers man.

Edit : any reason the Asus could be seen as better / does it have advantages over the MSI?
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Old September 6th, 2012, 12:04 PM   #31 (permalink)
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That looks pretty much like my PC, except that mine has an older asus motherboard and I've got a sandy bridge i5. Good choice!



Hah, yeah, I was surprised at how large the 570 was too. I got the MSI version, which takes up two expansion card slots as yours does, but then it has the fans and heatsink sticking out below that, meaning it takes up another slot.

Luckily I wasn't planning on SLI, so I managed to get everything in there.

Could I sli with the msi version?
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Could I sli with the msi version?
Any of them can be used in SLI. You just have to make sure that your motherbaord can handle it.

Here are the critera your motherboard needs to meet:

- You need an ATX size motherboard

- And an ATX-compatible case.
I'd pick one based on reviews on how the cooling setup is, if it comes with a way to keep cables hidden (better air flow), how many fans come with it, how many other spaces for additional fans there are, etc.
- You need a motherboard that supports SLI - it ought to say in the specifications.

- You need two x16 PCI-E 2.0 expansion card slots to put the 570s into
Cheaper motherboards will run both at x8 speed, more expensive ones will run both at x16. I never looked that far into it with my build, so I don't really understand what this means, let alone if it is important.
- You may need other PCI-E ports of varying sizes for other expansion cards. Figure out which components you want (if any - none are essential) and they'll list which type of PCI-E port they need.

- Once you've found a motherboard to meet your requirements, have a look at it and see if your components would fit. Each MSI 570 will slot into a x16 port, and then block off the two slots below. Any motherboard worth your money will, of course, have the x16 slots spread out, but you may struggle to fit in additional cards.

- Consider your cooling setup. You'll need cable ties to keep stuff out of the way (I got some that came with my power supply), and you'll probably want to consider extra case fans if your case doesn't come with any. A third party CPU cooler too, if you plan to overclock the CPU.

- Use a power supply calculator to aproximate the bare minimum power you'll need. You want to buy a power supply with a decent amount of leeway, rather than running it at full capacity all the time. Everything I read whilst researching this said that skimping on the powersupply is a tempting, but very bad, idea.
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I think getting the sli compatible mobo is the best idea. ( it says it supports up to 4 cards, is that big enough?)
I have just been told that sli may not be worth the extra money... And if I were to do it, i would only do it when my graphics card becomes outdated. Which I don't know if that would happen, as I'm not gonna be doing intensive gaming.

So i dont know whether to get a bigger case to save an extra couple of hours if I go sli, or just get own if/when I do.

Sound good?

I'll use that checker to find what power I need, but which brand is best?

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I don't know much on the specs cos it says I need 450W?


Edit : novatech don't sell the gtx 570!

Says the Asus P8Z77 Pro has 2xPCI3 at x16 and one PCI2 at x16? Is that ok?
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t. Each MSI 570 will slot into a x16 port, and then block off the two slots below. Any motherboard worth your money will, of course, have the x16 slots spread out, but you may struggle to fit in additional cards.
You're gonna have to have a lookie at my mobo to decide that.

Keep in mind that sli isn't definate for me. And I'd only use it if my current gpu becomes outdated.
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Asus P8Z77 - V.... Or V PRO?
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Yeah, that does seem very warm to me. My rig under full load doesn't exceed 67-69 on stock clock speeds.
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I don't know much - still a noob - but 80°C sounds high?
You have to keep in mind that overclocking creates a LOT more heat than a stock clock.

With my current cooling, at stock clock speeds under a full stress, my temps don't exceed 50*C.
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You're gonna have to have a lookie at my mobo to decide that.

Keep in mind that sli isn't definate for me. And I'd only use it if my current gpu becomes outdated.

Well, if you only want SLI when your card becomes outdated - is it worth it?

If you're planning to use SLI, you need to factor in the costs for a more expensive motherboard and a higher capacity power supply now. When you decide to switch to SLI, you'll have to buy another 570 and beef up your cooling setup.

Is that going to save you any money versus just getting rid of the 570 and getting whatever the latest and greatest graphics card at the time is? You could even sell the 570 second hand this way.

450W is not enough power though - the nvidea specifications page says a system running a 570 needs at least a 550W power supply. But that's bare minimum, remember.
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Yep. You're right. I could get a better card, cheaper than upgrading my system.
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With a cm 690 case, and a 570/660 its working out at £800.
Is that too much? I don't know.
I was also told that 240 quid is alot for a graphics card, especially as I'm not gonna be a hardcore gamer.

So i might settle for a 560 which saves me 80 quid.

I don't even know if a laptop could suit my needs....

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Just found a few 660 Ti's for around 240....

Which variant is best?

I have seen MSI, PNY, Pagit, EVGA and Asus.
Some of these include Borderlands 2 which make them more worth the investment.

I have no idea which is faster, reliable, cooler etc all I know is evga allow overclocking without voiding warranty.

Please help anyone?
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Well, if you only want SLI when your card becomes outdated - is it worth it?

If you're planning to use SLI, you need to factor in the costs for a more expensive motherboard and a higher capacity power supply now. When you decide to switch to SLI, you'll have to buy another 570 and beef up your cooling setup.

Is that going to save you any money versus just getting rid of the 570 and getting whatever the latest and greatest graphics card at the time is? You could even sell the 570 second hand this way.

450W is not enough power though - the nvidea specifications page says a system running a 570 needs at least a 550W power supply. But that's bare minimum, remember.
That's exactly why I went with the 850W right off the bat. To keep the door open just in case I want to go SLI.
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very nice how much $
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That's exactly why I went with the 850W right off the bat. To keep the door open just in case I want to go SLI.
I'd probably bump it up to 1K if I were going to SLI, but that's just me.
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Just found a few 660 Ti's for around 240....

Which variant is best?

I have seen MSI, PNY, Pagit, EVGA and Asus.
Some of these include Borderlands 2 which make them more worth the investment.

I have no idea which is faster, reliable, cooler etc all I know is evga allow overclocking without voiding warranty.

Please help anyone?
All of them should include Borderlands 2 for free with purchase. It's a Nvidia promotion. Any model 660 Ti or better. As for company, I'm a huge EVGA/Gigabyte fan. MSI makes a quality product though.
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Yeah. I contacted a amazon seller. Who said his evgas didn't come with it.

But I can get a discount at pc world. So not all is lost.

So evga, gigabyte, or msi. I was told palit is a bit low end.
Anyone have thoughts over which psu?
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I'd probably bump it up to 1K if I were going to SLI, but that's just me.
Eh, these new mobo's and Ivy Bridge CPU's don't use up alot of juice. For two 570's I calculated 850w with my power rating (80+) should hold up just fine. For better future proofing though, 1kw might have been a better idea.
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Eh, these new mobo's and Ivy Bridge CPU's don't use up alot of juice. For two 570's I calculated 850w with my power rating (80+) should hold up just fine. For better future proofing though, 1kw might have been a better idea.
I actually kind of regret not spending the extra $50 and not upping it to the 1050HX, but oh well. It is what it is. I don't have any intention to SLI, but I think my mobo is crapping out on me. Damn two year old PC parts lol.
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What motherboard and PSU should I be looking at?

Thought of one of the Asus P8Z77 V/V-Le

and a couple of Corsair and XFX 750W PSU's.

I think TX and CX 750?


Not sure what Im going for really.

Other parts:

i5 3750K ( still)
EVGA 2GB 660Ti ( unless it's overkill)
1TB HDD ( not sure WD vs Samsung )
8GB RAM
Think of one Coolermaster Elite,912,Silencio or 690 cases.
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What motherboard and PSU should I be looking at?

Thought of one of the Asus P8Z77 V/V-Le

and a couple of Corsair and XFX 750W PSU's.

I think TX and CX 750?


Not sure what Im going for really.

Other parts:

i5 3750K ( still)
EVGA 2GB 660Ti ( unless it's overkill)
1TB HDD ( not sure WD vs Samsung )
8GB RAM
Think of one Coolermaster Elite,912,Silencio or 690 cases.
Corsair or Thermaltake for the PSU. Mobo's could be ASUS, ASRock, or Gigabyte, but it really all depends on your necessities.

For your 1 TB HDD, if you are looking - check out the WD Black (like IOWA recommended) or Seagate Barracuda.
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Just don't know if the extras I get with the V are with that 15 quid.

It has wifi, more i/o ports and extra 'stuff '

I was told thermaltake is 'low quality' on TSF.
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