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Old March 9th, 2013, 11:36 AM   #151 (permalink)
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I never used Win7 that much and personally I'll be passing on Win8.

Running an arm6 version of Debian with OpenBox and playing with RISCOS as well. The latter uses memory in the Kilobytes and yet has a very functional GUI and lots of apps.
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Running an arm6 version of Debian with OpenBox and playing with RISCOS as well. The latter uses memory in the Kilobytes and yet has a very functional GUI and lots of apps.
If you are using Photoshop (full version) I have been told by many people that it does not work well running it on a virtual box on Linux and I refuse to use a Mac.
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If you are using Photoshop (full version) I have been told by many people that it does not work well running it on a virtual box on Linux and I refuse to use a Mac.
If I need to edit a photo or image I use GiMP in GNU/Linux. PS, Lightroom and the like are overpriced (just like Windows) so I refuse to support them.
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I just took delivery of my first PC with Windows 8 (a.k.a. "Son of Bob") pre-installed on it, and have to say that it's a GIANT step backwards! The interface IS like using an old, clunky DOS program. Replacing a Programs menu with a bunch of large squares is like trading in a smart phone for a Jitterbug. No, it more like:



Thank God they left room for a Linux install!!!
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I just took delivery of my first PC with Windows 8 (a.k.a. "Son of Bob") pre-installed on it, and have to say that it's a GIANT step backwards! The interface IS like using an old, clunky DOS program. Replacing a Programs menu with a bunch of large squares is like trading in a smart phone for a Jitterbug. No, it more like:



Thank God they left room for a Linux install!!!
I remember that thing, it was called the Big Button, a telephone from mid-80s. I know it very well because I used to work for an outfit called Phonemend. Who used to handle the UK repairs and replacements for the company that sold them.
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I remember that thing, it was called the Big Button, a telephone from mid-80s. I know it very well because I used to work for an outfit called Phonemend. Who used to handle the UK repairs and replacements for the company that sold them.
You have my sympathies...unless you're seriously vision impaired, of course...in which case you have my sympathies.
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I love it. Everyone whining about the lack of a start menu needs to shut up and learn command line. I launch my programs with windows+R, never once throughout my day do I use the metro start screen. Certain settings and applications are displaced from their Windows 7 locations, but I think people can deal with it.

Make sure you check driver compatibility though. One legitimate complaint I won't make fun of is that older graphics cards, PCI devices, etc. have trouble working on Windows 8 sometimes. I bought all new equipment to build my desktop and made sure that my sound card had windows 8 drivers available. When in doubt, check the manufacturer's website and if that doesn't say anything about Win8, google "(product) windows 8" and see what people have to say.
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I love it. Everyone whining about the lack of a start menu needs to shut up and learn command line. I launch my programs with windows+R, never once throughout my day do I use the metro start screen. Certain settings and applications are displaced from their Windows 7 locations, but I think people can deal with it.
Or install Classic Shell or Start 8 and never see the Fisher Price/Son of Bob/AOL '96 menu again.

Although I bought Win 8, in a very roundabout way because of location...see post #78 in this thread. I just don't use it much at all. Mainly because I don't trust Microsoft and their software not to be spying on me.
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Or install Classic Shell or Start 8 and never see the Fisher Price/Son of Bob/AOL '96 menu again.
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I remember playing with alternative Windows shells over the years. The "Mac" desktop for Windows 3.1, Microsoft's own Windows 95 preview shell that ran on NT 3.51 and several UNIX/X window managers. And then there's Packard Bell Navigator...
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I was real close to actually buying a copy of windows 8. The cd pack was £25, the same as the digital download.
I was thinking that the original £50 was quite a bit to have a "play" on it to see if I like it was but £25 seems alright.
Just wanted to sort of recap on the disadvantages of Win 8.....is it just people don't like change, and some things are incompatible? Would my steam games work?
I have been using Windows 8 since August 2012 when it became available for developers when upgrading from my Windows 7 Professional (64 bit). I haven't noticed any software disruptions, except for Alcohol 52% which doesn't work with it. My Nvidia graphics works like a charm also.

The system speed has improved, and games run a little faster IMHO (5-10%).
I installed a free app - Classic Shell with Classic Start Menu from Sourceforge, which brought the Start Menu back, and used a couple of applications for changing the default Segoe UI font to Lucida Grande and minimizing the window borders to minimum, since Microsoft had removed this from Windows 8 .
I don't use metro because I have 26" LCD and it looks strange .

I was thinking of downgrading it to Windows 7 to get the classic theme, but decided it works fine and so am happy with it.

Note that Windows 8 is not a "new" operating system, it's internal designation is 6.2. It is still based on the reworked Vista (Vista = 6.0, Windows 7 = 6.1, Windows 8 = 6.2). So everything that worked on 7 works on 8 too.
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OK Windows 8 lovers, here's a question for you: Precisely how do I access the settings that I used to have close at hand through Administrative Tools and Control Panel? The "Settings Lite" that I get from that thing that occasionally comes out of the weeds at the right side of the screen isn't cutting it for me. I need at least the MMC to get me by.
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Im not sure if this is what your talking about, but open Charms, select Settings, Tiles, move "Show Administrative Tiles" to Yes

And you can run MMC by typing "mmc" at the start screen, it will search for you. Assuming you mean Microsoft Management Console.
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Im not sure if this is what your talking about, but open Charms, select Settings, Tiles, move "Show Administrative Tiles" to Yes

And you can run MMC by typing "mmc" at the start screen, it will search for you. Assuming you mean Microsoft Management Console.
Yes, that's what I mean, thanks. Now...where are the charms hidden?
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Charms is the 5 items on the right of the screen when you move your curser to the top right or bottom right corner. Or you can do Win + c on keyboard to open it.

If your using a tablet, you can swipe from the right of the screen to open it.
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Did MS really intend Win 8 as a serious enterprise operating system?
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Ohh heck...I actually remember Packard Bell Navigator! Glad to know I was not the only one stuck with it.

My first home computer was actually a Packard Bell with a 6.3 GB hard drive. The Packard Bell Navigator actually took up about 2GB of the space. Nothing but bloat. I actually disabled and uninstalled the Packard Bell Navigator and went with the Windows 95 desktop UI.
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Did MS really intend Win 8 as a serious enterprise operating system?
That's pretty much what I had running through my mind when I read that. Thanks javasirc for the help, but I gotta agree that names like that don't inspire confidence. I hope there's still time to change the order for my rendering box to ship with Windows 7!
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Ohh heck...I actually remember Packard Bell Navigator! Glad to know I was not the only one stuck with it.
Being an owner of Hewlett-Packard test equipment and a student of Bell System engineering, I wasn't about to buy anything from this coattail-riding company. But I did have the displeasure of exorcising a Packard Bell machine for its owner who just happened to be a right hottie. At least having her as company helped!
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That's pretty much what I had running through my mind when I read that. Thanks javasirc for the help, but I gotta agree that names like that don't inspire confidence. I hope there's still time to change the order for my rendering box to ship with Windows 7!
I'm seriously thinking. Did Microsoft subcontract the UI design of Win 8 and RT to Mattel?
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Over the weekend, a build of the software with a date of March 15 leaked onto the Internet, at last giving people the opportunity to see what Blue would contain.

The big news is... Windows Blue looks an awful lot like Windows 8, which is consistent with its likely position as an update to Windows 8. Those hoping that Microsoft would abandon the Metro environment will be disappointed. - ars technica

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and they are always after me lucky charms!!!!
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I purchased a new notebook and had the choice of win8 or win7. I am reluctant to change as most are, but decided to give win8 a try. I really wish I stuck with 7.

The removal of the start menu is, in my eyes inexcusable. At least with the removal of the quick launch you could get it back again without 3rd party apps.

Metro is horrible without a touch screen. I hate when I move my mouse to the edge of the screen and something pops out at me like a Jack in the box.

When I bought the notebook I had only heard good things about 8. so I went in with a pretty optimistic attitude. That did not last very long.

I knew things were going to be bad from the start when it wanted me to sign in using my MSN account. Then really tiny it says you can make a local account.
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You can configure Windows 8 to be exactly like Windows 7.

You dont need a 3rd party app to get Quick Launch icons back. You just right click the taskbar, choose New Toolbar, and select your quick launch folder. Quick Launch folder is here:
C:\Users\<user name>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch

Although i hardly use the start menu, i installed it because i felt lost without it being there. I use StartIsBack. 30 day trial, costs like $5, you can install on like 5 machines.

If you want your pc to boot to desktop mode, put your "Show Desktop" icon in your Start Up folder, which is located here:
C:\Users\<user name>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Startup

If you want to skip the start screen and password screen, type "netplwiz" at the start screen, and open the app. Where it says "Users must enter a user name and password to use this computer", uncheck the box. You can follow the directions here:
How to bypass the Windows 8 log-in screen | Microsoft - CNET News

Note that "AppData" folder is hidden. Youll have to type it in the bar, or copy/paste my link.
Windows 8 is actually much faster, both booting and performance, compared to Windows 7. Im 99% happy with my $40 upgrade.
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Why make win8 feel like 7? What are the benefits of having 8 over 7?
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Why make win8 feel like 7? What are the benefits of having 8 over 7?
Some people are saying it's faster than 7. I myself am so glad I've got Win 7 on both my PCs, even though faster would be better.

If Microsoft don't make a new OS that allows the user to have a full Win 7 experience (through settings, if need be - I don't mind), then when they stop supporting Win 7 and it no longer supports hardware and software I am moving over to Linux 100%, forgoing dual boot.
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Windows 8 is like the beginning of the new computers, and this is Microsoft's way of making their computers build for the computers of tomorrow, and I think this is a good approach. As more and more people use tablets, like iPad, and And Android devices Microsoft saw that the traditional computer was dying off for most people. As what any iPad, or android device can do that is what most people will need, but the traditional computer was still there for the professionalism.
I think Microsoft got into the game like this so that can make a computer for both the average people who use tablets for the regular things like social networking, and email, and things like that, and also for the people who still need to have desktop applications like Photoshop and video editors. This is a good way to have two computers in one.
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It is faster overall, improvements in boot time, touch screen interface if you want or need it, and the "reset" feature (you lose your programs and apps but all your data remains and Windows is reverted back to fresh install state, saved my butt when my install got corrupted).




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Windows 8 is like the beginning of the new computers, and this is Microsoft's way of making their computers build for the computers of tomorrow, and I think this is a good approach. As more and more people use tablets, like iPad, and And Android devices Microsoft saw that the traditional computer was dying off for most people. As what any iPad, or android device can do that is what most people will need, but the traditional computer was still there for the professionalism.
I think Microsoft got into the game like this so that can make a computer for both the average people who use tablets for the regular things like social networking, and email, and things like that, and also for the people who still need to have desktop applications like Photoshop and video editors. This is a good way to have two computers in one.
You've hit on a very good point, MS is gearing W8 for touch screen use and I think they are taking the proper course making it a skin on top of Windows instead of a separate OS.

I have it on all my systems and once you add the start menu program of your choice I really don't see where there is any room for complaint, quite the contrary it is definitely improved over 7.
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Windows 8.1 will include boot to desktop option

"Microsoft is planning to change the way its Start Screen operates with the release of Windows 8.1. Sources familiar with Microsoft's plans have revealed to The Verge that the company is currently testing builds of Windows 8.1, known as codename Windows Blue, that include an option to boot directly to the traditional desktop. We're told that the option is disabled by default, allowing users to simply turn on the functionality should they want to avoid the "Metro" Start Screen at initial boot or login." - The Verge
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Maybe they'll add the start menu in again too.
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Windows 8.1 will include boot to desktop option

"Microsoft is planning to change the way its Start Screen operates with the release of Windows 8.1. Sources familiar with Microsoft's plans have revealed to The Verge that the company is currently testing builds of Windows 8.1, known as codename Windows Blue, that include an option to boot directly to the traditional desktop. We're told that the option is disabled by default, allowing users to simply turn on the functionality should they want to avoid the "Metro" Start Screen at initial boot or login." - The Verge
So are MS back-pedalling and more or less admitting that people don't like "Metro" and it's unpopular?

I'd suspect it's because not everyone wants the Start menu and any applications completely filling an entire 30inch desktop monitor, with no windowing capabilities. It would be OK on a tablet though I think.
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Maybe they'll add the start menu in again too.
I'm sure that would be as good as admitting that "Metro" is basically another Bob.
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I'm sure that would be as good as admitting that "Metro" is basically another Bob.
Being that metro is based on squares, it would be more like sponge bob
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I have gotten used to Win8 and I keep finding new gems.

Example: Right click on the very bottom left corner (only like 6 pixels wide) and you get a handy menu with things like Disk Management, Control Panel, and Device Manager. These used to be buried several behind layers in Win7.

It seems like every time I see a tech magazine I learn something new.
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you get a handy menu with things like Disk Management, Control Panel, and Device Manager. These used to be buried several behind layers in Win7.
I always just typed what I wanted in the search bar on the start menu.
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I always just typed what I wanted in the search bar on the start menu.
You can do the same with Windows 8, 2 different ways. I usually just type it directly into the modern UI
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You can do the same with Windows 8, 2 different ways. I usually just type it directly into the modern UI
"modern UI" or "Modern" is that MS's formal name for the Windows 8 UI now? I know they stopped calling it "Metro" while back because of trademark issues, and then it didn't seem to have a name at all. Rather like Prince..."The Artist Formerly Known as Prince"...

"The UI Formerly Known as Metro" I just kept on calling it "Metro" to give an idea of what I was referring to.
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"modern UI" or "Modern" is that MS's formal name for the Windows 8 UI now? I know they stopped calling it "Metro" while back because of trademark issues, and then it didn't seem to have a name at all. Rather like Prince..."The Artist Formerly Known as Prince"...

"The UI Formerly Known as Metro" I just kept on calling it "Metro" to give an idea of what I was referring to.
It's modern UI. That's what Microsoft calls it. And it works exactly like the Start menu, but with more features, cleaner interface, and a different way to use the computer.
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It's modern UI. That's what Microsoft calls it. And it works exactly like the Start menu, but with more features, cleaner interface, and a different way to use the computer.
I have to disagree. Its not clean, its clutter and any app or system settings accessed that is not from the Store will bring you to a butchered version of the classic windows we are all use to. 1 interface is all I ask. I backed up Win8 and now run Mint, far more efficient.
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I have to disagree. Its not clean, its clutter and any app or system settings accessed that is not from the Store will bring you to a butchered version of the classic windows we are all use to. 1 interface is all I ask. I backed up Win8 and now run Mint, far more efficient.
Install Start 8 and it will be functionally no different than 7 and has the speed improvements 8 brings to the table. The missing start menu is the only difference in the desktop version of 8.
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Install Start 8 and it will be functionally no different than 7 and has the speed improvements 8 brings to the table. The missing start menu is the only difference in the desktop version of 8.
I find zero problems using windows 8. Even without a start button. The menu is faster!
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I have to disagree. Its not clean, its clutter and any app or system settings accessed that is not from the Store will bring you to a butchered version of the classic windows we are all use to. 1 interface is all I ask. I backed up Win8 and now run Mint, far more efficient.
Same here actually. I think what originally took the shine from Windows 8 for me, was the international activation crap I had to go through. Which I've already posted about in this thread.

With the modern UI menu, on my 21 inch desktop PC monitor it all looked like huge kiddie buttons, with a lot of sideways scrolling to find the things I wanted. That's why I posted the AOL '96 thing a while back, and the Fisher Price references. Just wasn't appealing to me. I installed classic Shell, was happier then. That also gave me back quick access to Shut Down and Log Off, instead of having to navigate through the Charms thing to find it. I believe all modern UI apps from the MS app store run full screen as well, with no way to window them. I don't want say something like Skype filling my whole monitor. I'm sure it can work in the right situation, like a tablet. Not so good on large desktop PC monitors IMO.

BTW I didn't like Ubuntu's Unity UI either.

I've stopped using Win 8 completely now, although I've still got the license key. I've got two laptops. One is now Mint only, that I bought locally and came with pirated Win 7(welcome to rural China). And the other one came with legit Win 7(which is fine), I bought in Hong Kong, and this one dual boots Mint.
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Install Start 8 and it will be functionally no different than 7 and has the speed improvements 8 brings to the table. The missing start menu is the only difference in the desktop version of 8.
Maybe. Only if I find Mint limiting, which highly doubt as I've used Mint since version 9. Mint 14 absolutely flies on this i5 based laptop. Win8 was no slouch on this system either but the RAM and overall system resources gained by not using Win8 is clear. RAM usage alone went from 1.2GB at boot to 500MB after Mint was installed.

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There's 'classic shell' too, which gives you a start menu again, lets you boot straight to the desktop and is free.
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There's 'classic shell' too, which gives you a start menu again, lets you boot straight to the desktop and is free.
LOL I love the title of this article:

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After seeing a few videos on Start8 i reloaded Windows 8 and gave the trial a go. I purchased Start8 shortly after.

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