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Old April 27th, 2013, 10:15 PM   #201 (permalink)
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We just went with this for mum's pc, works great.

Tried and liked Start8 but it left a button to easily switch her into Metro, something that we didn't want.

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Ah yes, make Windows suck less...



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We just went with this for mum's pc, works great.

Tried and liked Start8 but it left a button to easily switch her into Metro, something that we didn't want.
Right click the Start8 button, then hit Configure Start8..., select Desktop and disable all Windows 8 hot corners, also select Hide Modern UI Apps and Automatically go to Desktop when you sign in.
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Right click the Start8 button, then hit Configure Start8..., select Desktop and disable all Windows 8 hot corners, also select Hide Modern UI Apps and Automatically go to Desktop when you sign in.
Did that. Still recall that the start menu had a Metro button. Might have missed something in config though.
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Sure...go to a store that sells a Windows get genuine Gunuine kit.... in China.. LOL... OK!
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Where did you get that copy? I got mine on Amazon.
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Where did you get that copy? I got mine on Amazon.
Mike is in China which means he cannot activate MS products (legitimately).
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Mike is in China which means he cannot activate MS products (legitimately).
Yeh, I think legitimately is about right. What I've found is that one can't actually buy Windows as a stand alone OS in China, except in Hong Kong. I was only able to activate it in the end, because I have a UK Visa card from a UK bank, and gave a UK address for the registration. Normally one only buy and activate it if comes with a new PC or laptop, and even then it's usually only the crippled Home Basic edition from what I've seen.

I can buy MS Office in China, but not Windows, or so it seems. The new laptop I was using Win 8 on, came with pirated and hacked Win 7 Ultimate, it originally would have with some crappy Linux based OS called Linpus or Meego, which was horrid. The local Lenovo dealer thought they were doing me a favour when I bought the laptop by "giving" me Windows (Welcome to China ). Since then I've wiped all Windows completely from it, and just go with Linux Mint now.

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A couple of days ago a friend, who keeps my mail, told me there's a package arrived from Microsoft addressed to me in the UK. It's probably the license sticker and product key to stick on my Linux Mint laptop. LOL.
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Yeh, I think legitimately is about right. What I've found is that one can't actually buy Windows as a stand alone OS in China, except in Hong Kong. I was only able to activate it in the end, because I have a UK Visa card from a UK bank, and gave a UK address for the registration. Normally one only buy and activate it if comes with a new PC or laptop, and even then it's usually only the crippled Home Basic edition from what I've seen.

I can buy MS Office in China, but not Windows, or so it seems. The new laptop I was using Win 8 on, came with pirated and hacked Win 7 Ultimate, it originally would have with some crappy Linux based OS called Linpus or Meego, which was horrid. The local Lenovo dealer thought they were doing me a favour when I bought the laptop by "giving" me Windows (Welcome to China ). Since then I've wiped all Windows completely from it, and just go with Linux Mint now.
Well that's a bit strange. Maybe the country wants to get rid of Windows, and move to Linux.
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Well that's a bit strange. Maybe the country wants to get rid of Windows, and move to Linux.
It's just really hard to find a real copy of Windows for sale separately in a lot of Asia.

Took me days to track down a real copy, not counterfeit, in Taiwan.
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Took me days to track down a real copy, not counterfeit, in Taiwan.
Aren't MS's authentication servers also blocked in much of Eastern Asia?
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That I wouldn't know. I've only had occasion to install on machines not netting to the outside world.

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Well that's a bit strange. Maybe the country wants to get rid of Windows, and move to Linux.
It seems MS has a policy of not selling retail Windows and "Get Genuine Kits" in emerging markets. Apparently it's only supplied and can be activated if it comes with a new PC. And then it's usually the crippled and restricted Home Basic version, from what I've seen on new laptops here.

That's why I made The Wizard of Oz crack about me not been in the United States, when I saw the original notice.
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That I wouldn't know. I've only had occasion to install on machines not netting to the outside world.

Mike may know.
You can activate the Home Basic edition, if it comes pre-installed on a new PC and it has a valid license key. And you can upgrade HB to Ultimate for something like equivalent of $200-$300.

HB is a restricted and crippled version of Windows that MS distributes in emerging markets and third world countries, rather than the regular Home Premium one. Although I believe with Win 8, there isn't a crippled HB edition and a normal HP one, like there is with Vista and 7. There is regular, Professional and Enterprise, as well as RT. I haven't actually seen any Win 8 machines here yet, but AFAIK they're considerably more expensive than their Win 7 Home Basic counterparts.

From what I've seen, backstreet PC assemblers and DIY'ers just pirate Windows and don't really care. But I didn't really want to go down that particular avenue.
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Windows 8 China edition confirmed by Microsoft employee? | WinBeta

A PRC edition of Windows 8 .... hmmmm...I bet that's got government back-doors and censoring, like with PRC edition of Skype. Think I'll be sticking with Linux(non-Chinese) for the moment.

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This might have been why I couldn't activate the regular Windows 8 I had, and had to basically pretend I was in the UK. Microsoft wants to ensure everyone here is using the special PRC edition to keep the government happy, I guess. That's what MS does with Skype.
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Start8 and ModenMix are quite possibly the best apps if you want to see 1 interface when in Win8.

With Start8 I've disabled all the hotkeys that lead one into the Modern UI. ModernMix lets you run Modern apps in the normal desktop and have the ability to resize them.

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Been using Win 8 on a Lenovo Y400 for about 4mo now with no major issues. I use classic shell to avoid the not metro interface. a little more than a week ago we started seeing the machine go to automatic repair when left idle for a length of time, usually over night. The repair always fails. All the repair/refresh options fail too. When I went to system restore, the only point is a windows update on 4/21 (when this all started?) . The system is very slow to reboot too. I've given up saving the install and am backing up the user stuff in case the incremental bu missed anything as I'm typing this (and as my house is being torn up around me in major repair from Sandy). I was liking 8 up to this point, but getting squashed by an update and then having every avenue of repair short of a full wipe and re install fail with no clue as to why is a major fail in my mind.
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Been using Win 8 on a Lenovo Y400 for about 4mo now with no major issues. I use classic shell to avoid the not metro interface. a little more than a week ago we started seeing the machine go to automatic repair when left idle for a length of time, usually over night. The repair always fails. All the repair/refresh options fail too. When I went to system restore, the only point is a windows update on 4/21 (when this all started?) . The system is very slow to reboot too. I've given up saving the install and am backing up the user stuff in case the incremental bu missed anything as I'm typing this (and as my house is being torn up around me in major repair from Sandy). I was liking 8 up to this point, but getting squashed by an update and then having every avenue of repair short of a full wipe and re install fail with no clue as to why is a major fail in my mind.
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Been using Win 8 on a Lenovo Y400 for about 4mo now with no major issues. I use classic shell to avoid the not metro interface. a little more than a week ago we started seeing the machine go to automatic repair when left idle for a length of time, usually over night. The repair always fails. All the repair/refresh options fail too. When I went to system restore, the only point is a windows update on 4/21 (when this all started?) . The system is very slow to reboot too. I've given up saving the install and am backing up the user stuff in case the incremental bu missed anything as I'm typing this (and as my house is being torn up around me in major repair from Sandy). I was liking 8 up to this point, but getting squashed by an update and then having every avenue of repair short of a full wipe and re install fail with no clue as to why is a major fail in my mind.
As well as backups of files, photos, etc. I have 2 complete system images; I make the first system image once all the main programs and windows updates + system settings are configured. The 2nd is with all the other less important apps installed + my files. Recovering this way is much faster as it's done with far less effort on my (and computers) part.
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As well as backups of files, photos, etc. I have 2 complete system images; I make the first system image once all the main programs and windows updates + system settings are configured. The 2nd is with all the other less important apps installed + my files. Recovering this way is much faster as it's done with far less effort on my (and computers) part.
I have similar. Relatively easy, but still a small pain in the butt to wipe and come back. Shouldn't be necessary on a relatively young install. That with all its recovery options win8 is unable to be repaired and doesn't even report why it's incapable of repair beyond "repair(restore) failed, try again later" is very disappointing.
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@#$%! So I installed my clean image and ran windows update with the intention off making a new post update image (since the update seemed to be the root of my problem). Argghh...after 3 hours of preparing it finally started installing. It stalled out on the malicious software removal tool and after 6 hours of no progress, I ended up canceling and rebooting. Which left me with a slow booting machine that can no longer repair or update. I decided to start fresh and used Lenovo's one touch to restore to a fresh image. I'm trying to update the malicious update tool tool first, but it's now hung on preparing for over an hour. ARGHHHHHHH! I officially hate Win 8!!!!!
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Again!!!! Three hours and no install! If I stop it, i'm left with a broken system that will no longer update at all.
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Again!!!! Three hours and no install! If I stop it, i'm left with a broken system that will no longer update at all.
That is frustrating. Are you doing a repartition and complete reinstall? If so that will take hours as the drive gets a secure wipe. Also, you didnt change anything in the BIOS, maybe reset that to defaults just to try.

Im an OS flip-flopper and linux is giving me a hard time. Ubuntu loses WiFi and Mint if I minimize a window it just disappears. lol

Im finding Linux runs better in virtual than native, at least on this laptop. Win8 is going back on as we speak.

Good luck to the both of us
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I found something similar to Start 8 (can't remember what it was called exactly, classic start 8 or something) which was free. Seems to work ok :P
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I found something similar to Start 8 (can't remember what it was called exactly, classic start 8 or something) which was free. Seems to work ok :P
Probably is classic shell. It is close to start 8 and the start orb, but not quite for my taste.
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Again!!!! Three hours and no install! If I stop it, i'm left with a broken system that will no longer update at all.
That is starting to sound like a potential hardware or bios issue.
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@#$%! So I installed my clean image and ran windows update with the intention off making a new post update image (since the update seemed to be the root of my problem). Argghh...after 3 hours of preparing it finally started installing. It stalled out on the malicious software removal tool and after 6 hours of no progress, I ended up canceling and rebooting. Which left me with a slow booting machine that can no longer repair or update. I decided to start fresh and used Lenovo's one touch to restore to a fresh image. I'm trying to update the malicious update tool tool first, but it's now hung on preparing for over an hour. ARGHHHHHHH! I officially hate Win 8!!!!!
Could be worse, could be blue screening on boot (which is what mine is up to). Luckily I have Linux too
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I'm probably calling Lenovo Monday. The problem is, the thing works, just with quirks. Boot up is slow, switching accounts can fail. Most programs install, but some won't. I can install Start8, but Classic Shell will get to the install progress screen and just sit there. Some junkware will uninstall, but a few will get ~80% through the progress bar and just sit there. Any failed install or uninstall cannot be canceled and even if you go in and kill the processes, the windows installer will not function again till a reboot. Regardless of what happens now, when I'm done getting this thing up and running again? It belongs to my kids. I'm so thoroughly fed up with it, that I'll never use it again!
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I'm probably calling Lenovo Monday. The problem is, the thing works, just with quirks. Boot up is slow, switching accounts can fail. Most programs install, but some won't. I can install Start8, but Classic Shell will get to the install progress screen and just sit there. Some junkware will uninstall, but a few will get ~80% through the progress bar and just sit there. Any failed install or uninstall cannot be canceled and even if you go in and kill the processes, the windows installer will not function again till a reboot. Regardless of what happens now, when I'm done getting this thing up and running again? It belongs to my kids. I'm so thoroughly fed up with it, that I'll never use it again!
I'm sorry to hear about those problems. You should call to see what can be done about it.
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Microsoft prepares rethink on Windows 8 flagship software

Analysts warned that changing course would be a significant admission of failure for Steve Ballmer, chief executive, who called the October launch of Windows 8 a “bet-the-company” moment as Microsoft sought to respond to the success of Apple’s iPad.
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After reading a page here, I sure am glad I still use win7...
Seems like Win8 needs more time to become stable.

Like most microsoft products, development/debugging is rushed to the point that early adapters end up being free beta testers.

EDIT: After this post it occurred to me.
Early adapters are not free beta testers.
You are beta testers who paid for the incomplete beta-level application(s).
 
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And I’m even glad that I still use XP, although not quite as glad.
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And IÂ’m even glad that I still use XP, although not quite as glad.
I loved xp until I used 7. Now I really dislike having to work on an xp machine.
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I don’t have the luxury of ever even trying Win7, let alone having it. I was looking forward to the then-upcoming Win8, but what happened happened, and now I look forward to 8.1.
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And I’m even glad that I still use XP, although not quite as glad.
I consider XP the best/most stable version of windows.

Unfortunately when I tried to install it on my current system, it just wouldn't take.

My current system is too new and driver support is not available for xp.
 
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I’ve never used anything since, mostly for monetary reasons, so your opinion is good to hear.
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Windows 8 passes 100 million license sales, almost matching the growth of Windows 7

In a twin-barreled announcement, Microsoft has confirmed the existence of Windows Blue (8.1), and that it has now sold 100 million Windows 8 licenses. This is up from 60 million licenses sold in January, and almost matching sales of Windows 7 , which crossed the 100 million license mark on April 27 2010.

10 Things Microsoft Needs to Fix With Windows Blue
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XP was very good, I by-passed Vista (never used it, other than fix customers systems), Win7 was just as good as XP in my experience but more secure and more visually pleasing, Win8 is outta here never to return. ChromeOS is wicked fast, stable and secure.
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I find Win8 is faster than Vista or 7 on my old Celeron E3300 box with 4GB DDR2-800. I've only got Win 8 because I'm a student, and my Uni has Dreamspark premium which means I get MS stuff free. I wouldn't pay actual real money for it.
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Win8 with classic shell is fine, but my Lenovo y400 was RMA'd due to hardware issues. It is still disturbing that Win8 started auto repair (many times) which also failed 100% of the time, yet there was never any indication or report of a physical problem. Not even one of their near indecipherable error numbers. Win8 on a non touch machine without a shell replacement is worthless IMHO. I understand the (not) Metro interface for tablets, but MS screwed up by taking away the start button (and if rumors are true, the one coming with 8.1 is not a big improvement) and boot-to-desktop feature. I don't know of a single business that would consider upgrading to Win8 as it stands, thus I also doubt MS's adoption numbers (I've read a bunch of articles accusing them of manipulating the numbers to seem more optimistic). My brothers company is considering a large laptop purchase and will not accept Win8 at all, mainly due to the confusion caused by its interface. He was told by several vendors salesman that Win8 is a non starter on all institutional sales.
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Win8 with classic shell is fine, but my Lenovo y400 was RMA'd due to hardware issues. It is still disturbing that Win8 started auto repair (many times) which also failed 100% of the time, yet there was never any indication or report of a physical problem. Not even one of their near indecipherable error numbers.
Seems Win 8 was trying to be The Wizard of Oz. Just keep looking at the illusion, but you can't look behind the curtain.


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Win8 on a non touch machine without a shell replacement is worthless IMHO. I understand the (not) Metro interface for tablets, but MS screwed up by taking away the start button (and if rumors are true, the one coming with 8.1 is not a big improvement) and boot-to-desktop feature.
When I had the modern UI(formerly Metro) menu and apps running on a large desktop PC monitor, I hated the look of it and the way it worked. Just seemed so clumsy and childish IMO.
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Good to hear, I just bought a Gateway at Walmart, to replace my dying HP XP. Jumping forward eight years into the past...
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Just saw an for Win8. The guy said, “Here’s the desktop you know and love.” That’s a pretty blatant prediction of what’s coming in 8.1, dontcha think?
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From all the problems I've heard, and the Microsoft reputation of windows releases, I'll stay on windows 7 until the one after 8 releases. Imagine the look on the dev's face when they realized that links sent from the metro desktop could only be opened on another metro desktop. (unknown if resolved already or not)
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I was trying to limp along with my '05 HP XP until that happened, but it just fell down and died. So now I have a Win8 Gateway. Everything about it is fine, except the 8 part.
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I was trying to limp along with my '05 HP XP until that happened, but it just fell down and died. So now I have a Win8 Gateway. Everything about it is fine, except the 8 part.
And the gateway part. I can't stand the OEM stuff. They're all trying to use proprietary stuff now so if you upgrade, say, the video card and need a higher output power supply, you're screwed because you can't thanks to the proprietary form factor of the power supply. In addition to certain expansion slots covered by that same proprietary form factor power supply.
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I ended up, after buying a new PC that I hated, figuring out what was wrong with the old one. Time to test my returning skills...
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Microsoft responds to 'extreme' Windows 8 criticism

So how "extreme" has the criticism been? Well, the Financial Times said the upcoming changes to Windows 8 mark one of the most prominent admissions of failure for a new mass-market consumer product since Coca-Cola's New Coke fiasco nearly 30 years ago."
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Microsoft responds to 'extreme' Windows 8 criticism

So how "extreme" has the criticism been? Well, the Financial Times said the upcoming changes to Windows 8 mark one of the most prominent admissions of failure for a new mass-market consumer product since Coca-Cola's New Coke fiasco nearly 30 years ago."
You know, I'm really getting sick of tech reviewers and people complaining about the little things like the start button being removed and replaced with the start menu, and not being able to boot into the desktop mode. I have been using Windows 8 on a desktop without a touch screen for a few months now, and have never had a problem with the start menu. It's the same thing, in the same place, just looks different.

Is there a legitiment review on Windows 8 that says its bad because its bad, or is it all bad because the button was removed?
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The same thing happened to Vista. Much of what everyone loves about Windows 7 was in Vista as part of Longhorn/Aero but Vista was lambasted unfairly because of a great number of interface changes (which are now generally considered improvements over XP). Vista wasn't as bad as everyone claimed, unlike Windows ME, which was a train wreck aboard the Titanic on Friday the 13th.

I'm sure by the time Blue (8.1) surfaces it will be the same review from the tech press ... "Windows is fixed." What needs to be fixed, IMHO is the press.
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