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Old February 10th, 2013, 11:09 AM   #101 (permalink)
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Old February 20th, 2013, 06:29 PM   #102 (permalink)
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My psu (Corsair TX750V2) makes a sort of ticking sound occasionally. I was told to ring up corsair, and the tech support guy explained how it might just be the sound of the fan slowing down, and I could hear it because my pc is next to me on my desk. (obviously I'll test it on a soft surface and also have a look at the fan whilst in use - like I was told to)

Before this call I sent an email to Amazon, who said they'd be happy to refund the psu, but as they no longer sell it 1st party, the best they could do was pay the shipping for a different psu... - good idea? Anything good enough around the 80 mark for me?

Alternatively I could get the refund and buy another PSU (not necessarily another TX750) from somewhere like ebuyer.

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I'm thinking, because my gpu needs only 30A, something like a 550W OCZ might be better, quieter, and also I'll be saving over 30...

Or is it worth getting something around that wattage (I think 45A) but with a higher efficiency?
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My psu (Corsair TX750V2) makes a sort of ticking sound occasionally... Thoughts?
Can you see if there are any stray objects close to the fan blades? Yesterday I was tidying up the wiring in my dead Linux box, and when I switched it on, I heard this terrible sound...and realized that I had crammed the extra wiring right into my intake fan! Even a slight imbalance can make a fan tick or make unusual noises. You might want to try blasting them with some canned air to remove excess dust. If that doesn't fix it, a timely return may be in order, just in case.
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Old February 24th, 2013, 02:47 PM   #105 (permalink)
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my gpu needs only 30A, something like a 550W OCZ might be better
Only if it will provide that 30A to the card while the rest of the system is under load. If the GPU gets starved under such circumstances you'll get instability in the system.

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Higher efficiency is always good. Not only from an economic or 'green' standpoint; it also often ensures better regulation which equates to a cleaner supply and longer life.
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I was told that 750W might actually be ok...especially if the 30A I need is JUST for the GPU.
An online calculator recommended 600W if I OC my CPU and GPU as well.

Of course, when I get the chance I'll have another look for anything blocking it, and I'l also test it on a soft surface.

Also, I was told that the neer TXV2 PSU's aren't that good...so if I DO decide to change it ,is there anything I should aim to get ?

EDIT: Ninja'd me there Slug :P

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/600w-fsp-aurum-gold-ppa6002102-90-eff-80-plus-gold-eps-12v-fan-atx-v23-psu Any good? I'm confused why it says it only does 18A.

Theres teh OCZ ZS and ZT series http://www.scan.co.uk/products/750w-ocz-technology-zs-series-ocz-zs750w-uk-86-eff-80-plus-bronze-sli-crossfire-eps-12v-quiet-fan-at

But the XFX looks the best to me http://www.scan.co.uk/products/750w-psu-xfx-p1-750s-nlb9-85-eff-80-plus-bronze-sli-crossfire-eps-12v-quiet-fan-atx

And theres also teh Corsair GS http://www.scan.co.uk/products/800w-corsair-2013-edition-gs-cp-9020065-uk-85-eff-80-plus-bronze-sli-crossfire-eps-12v-quiet-fan-atx
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I was told that 750W might actually be ok...especially if the 30A I need is JUST for the GPU.
An online calculator recommended 600W if I OC my CPU and GPU as well.

Of course, when I get the chance I'll have another look for anything blocking it, and I'l also test it on a soft surface.

Also, I was told that the neer TXV2 PSU's aren't that good...so if I DO decide to change it ,is there anything I should aim to get ?

EDIT: Ninja'd me there Slug :P

FSP PPA6002102 Aurum Gold 600W Power Supply (PSU) - Scan.co.uk Any good? I'm confused why it says it only does 18A.

Theres teh OCZ ZS and ZT series OCZ ZS Series 750W 80 Plus Bronze Power Supply (PSU) - OCZ-ZS750W-UK - Scan.co.uk

But the XFX looks the best to me XFX Core Edition P1-750S-NLB9 750W Power Supply (PSU) XPS-750W-SEW - Scan.co.uk

And theres also teh Corsair GS Corsair CP-9020065-UK 2013 Edition GS 800W Power Supply (PSU) - Scan.co.uk
Not knocking the other OEM's, but for me - it's Corsair or go home as far as PSU's are concerned.
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Really? I also like Corsair, but i guess its more to do with the actual components, and where they're from....
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Really? I also like Corsair, but i guess its more to do with the actual components, and where they're from....
Yeah. You could always check out Thermaltake or Antec also. Other than that, no go for me.
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I recommend PC Power & Cooling. Rock solid, and rated wattage is not peak wattage, I.e. my 750w is rated peak at 825w.
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Been told that downgrading the wattage might not be the best idea, but apparently the new Tx v2's aren't made by Seasonic anymore, and are worse than they were before :S

Thinking of getting a XFX PRO 750W instead. Don't really wanna risk it with OCZ, unless somewhere like ebuyer or Amazon, would be helpful if it were to get damaged

( I always think about this... PSus blows up, and I have to pay 50 to send it to wherever...whilst I'm wondering why I didn't get it from --- or bought a -- PSU etc. Although, I suppose Amazon might be cooperative and let me send it back to them for free :P))
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I was told that 750W might actually be ok...especially if the 30A I need is JUST for the GPU
That's the point.... it isn't. You'd need 30A for the GPU alone, plus whatever the other components require.

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It's a quad-rail design, so it supplies a maximum of 18A on each 12V rail.

The others you mention are all single-rail designs, which is my own preference. Features like "solid caps", "Overvoltage/Overcurrent/Short-Circuit protection" and "Active PFC (Power Factor Correction)" are good indicators of a well-designed PSU. The 'cleaner' and more stable the supply to the system the better, especially if it's going to be at all stressed.
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I's the seller's responsibility - Check Sale of goods Act(s). They often try to say it's not their problem. I've RMA'd with Ebuyer , Pixmania & Aria in the past with no problems.
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I just found this 750W xfx, modular and 80plus silver for 77!
Apparently you need to register to up the warranty to 5 years.

Am I missing the catch or something?

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/750w-xfx-xxx-p1-750b-ukb9-88-eff-80-plus-silver-sli-crossfire-eps-12v-fan-atx-v22-psu
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Not that I can see. XFX are a respected manufacturer, the PSU ticks all the boxes, and if they're prepared to back it up with a 5yr warranty they must be confident it will last.
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I YEAH! Finally. Only problem is that there are 3 XFX 750W's.
XFX Core Edition P1-750S-NLB9 750W Power Supply (PSU) XPS-750W-SEW - Scan.co.uk
XFX 750W XXX Semi Modular 80+ Bronze Single EasyRail Power Supply - P1-750X-XXB9 - Scan.co.uk
XFX XXX Edition 750w Silver 80+ Silver PSU Modular - P1-750B-UKB9 - Scan.co.uk

I think I'll go for the last one because, even though it has no awards, it's modular and has a higher efficiency. All of them have a 2 year RTB to Scan, but as I said, I think the manufacturer warranty can be increased to 5 when you register.

Edit: looking at the XFX website, they still sell all 3 of the above PSU's (I thought maybe one or two were old ones) and it seems like they do one non modular, and two semi modular...one silver efficiency, another bronze.

SO it seems like the XFX XXX 750 Silver modular is the best one to go for, especially seeing the price is lower than on other sites too (90)


Edit Edit : The only thing is that this PSU also delivers 62A on the 12V rail. Unless the fan is quiter/the way the fan works is different/my PSU is just faulty, wouldnt I get the same problems :P,

3rd Edit: Sorry for all the question...but would you recommend any of the XFX's over another TX750V2?

I know I wanted a lower wattage but the 650W offers only bronze efficiency, is only 4 less and gives 9A less. Hopefully I won't be able to hear it.
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Bought the XFX and it arrived yesterday. It seems like I confused OCZ and XFX I'm regards to how bad the Customer service is in the Uk/EU.
Considering I have a 2 year RTB to Scan, I'm hoping the remaining 3 years of manufacturer warranty won't be needed.
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I's the seller's responsibility - Check Sale of goods Act(s). They often try to say it's not their problem. I've RMA'd with Ebuyer , Pixmania & Aria in the past with no problems.

I emailed scan and they said they wouldn't be able not do anything if something were to happen outside of their RTB period.
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I emailed scan and they said they wouldn't be able not do anything if something were to happen outside of their RTB period.
Yup, because the additional 3yrs is serviced directly by the manufacturer (XFX).
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:-(

Hopefully those 3 years won't be too bad for me and I won't have to rma it.

I installed the psu today and instantly everything was much quieter!

Now I can hear the case fans spinning and the hard drive seems like it rumbles less often...

After a bit of use the 'hum' from the psu has turned into a bit of a whir... Although very quiet. I'll see how this is tomorrow and if it's still there i might try pushing the fan in (cos apparently it's badly lubricated)
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Another post now!

Still haven't bought a backup drive yet :-(

Is it better to get a normal internal one with an enclosure as opposed to a usb 3 external one? I think it's roughly the same price (thinking either 1 or 2TB)

I've seen a Sea gate usb 3 for 70. I think a internal barracuda is about 50 or 60-70 for the 2tb + the enclosure.
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Is it better to get a normal internal one with an enclosure as opposed to a usb 3 external one? I think it's roughly the same price (thinking either 1 or 2TB)
Yes it is, usually. There always can be exceptions, but as a rule the "internal" SATA drives that the OEM's put into their ready-made USB drive products often have terrible performance specs, and come with no guarantees of quality. It could drop dead in 90 days; not a plus when looking for backup media.

In contrast, when you buy your HDD and enclosure/interface separately, you can choose precisely the kind of HDD performance you want, and typically get more value by doing so. And with most SATA enclosures you can hot swap the HDDs, giving you even more flexibility. For instance you can use the same enclosure to hold one HDD for backups, and then when they're done you can switch to another for holding large multimedia files. Or you could swap in a SSD scratch drive. The possibilities are endless.

If I could get a guaranteed data center quality 7200RPM HDD for the same price as a "mystery meat" HDD (that's likely to be a 5400RPM or less "green" drive with a tiny cache) in my USB/IEEE-1394b external drive (oh, that's right, you can't get IEEE-1394 on factory-made USB drives!), I'd go for the better deal every time! Win-win.
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I'm sold! Especially like the idea of swapping it out for a scratch drive... If only I needed one and could afford it. :-D

Only thing is that the enclosures are a bit expensive, but some are around 30. I've also seen something that goes into the 5.25" bay with sata connectors on the back. You just open it and the hdd plugs into it. This is only 15 but when i add in the cost of a storage box for the hdd its about the same as a regular enclosure or docking station.
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That's one thing, keeping the bare HDDs safe from damage.

Since I used to be a volume buyer, I have plenty of free stuff left over from shipping that make dandy storage cases for free. If you think creatively, you could probably could make your own out of "found" materials for free.

I've tried various devices that let you plug a 3.5" HDD into a 5.25" bay, but have been disappointed by the quality of most of them. It's still a great concept though.

P.S. You NEED more storage, whether you realize it yet or not.
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Ok, so the 2Tb it is then. Would you say to get an enclosure, or just plug it into the Pc like a normal drive?
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If you have an internal bay for it, then might as well install it as the second SATA drive.

I only use external drives for:
  • Laptops
  • Taking files with me
  • Moving files between machines
  • Temporary expanded storage
I have at least 2 internal storage (HDD or SSD) drives in each of my workstation PCs.
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Alright then. I'll have to take it out for backups of my laptop, but that's about it. Would storing it outside my PC a good idea too?

Also, what's this IEE firewire thing?
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Alright then. I'll have to take it out for backups of my laptop, but that's about it. Would storing it outside my PC a good idea too?
Sure, as long as it is kept safe and clean. I store loose HDDs in the plastic "clamshell" protective packaging that they shipped in to keep dust and other stuff out, and to give them a reasonable amount of shock protection, then put them in a drawer, on a shelf, in a box...wherever. I've had zero problems doing it this way.

A Seagate HDD in the clamshell package:




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IEEE-1394 a.k.a. Firewire is a serial interface that was developed by Adaptec and several PC hardware manufacturers after Apple abandoned it. Adaptec was one of the biggest names in SCSI host bus adapter cards back when SCSI was the King of the Data Center for storage. Apple wanted Firewire to replace parallel SCSI and other interfaces with a single universal serial bus, and Adaptec was instrumental in making IEEE-1394 highly compatible with SCSI drives. Although parallel SCSI went to SAS instead, IEEE-1394 has been a great way to attach external HDDs and RAID arrays to computers and have better response than USB2.

IEEE-1394a has a maximum throughput of 400Mbps (slightly less than USB2), and IEEE-1394b has 800 Mbps, which made it the best choice for people who needed to carry around lots of very large files, and use them on different workstations. IEEE-1394 is also used as a data bus for digital audio and video production equipment like DVCAM video camcorders, control surfaces and multi-channel audio I/O to/from computers.

USB3 has surpassed IEEE-1394b's throughput by a wide margin. But since none of my computers have USB3 ports, and I have plenty of IEEE-1394 equipment, I still use my IEEE-1394b external drive enclosures with my systems. You'll probably want to go with USB3.
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Alright then. Most of the enclosures and docks I've seen are usb 3 and usb 2 or they have usb 2 and a esata.....

And my WD hdd shipped in electrostatic packing with some polystyrene in a cardboard box, unlike your hard drive :-( although the backup one will probably be a Sea gate
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And my WD hdd shipped in electrostatic packing with some polystyrene in a cardboard box, unlike your hard drive :-(
That's what Seagate is doing now, cardboard box with plastic end caps. I'm glad I hoarded all my old clamshell boxes!
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Old March 20th, 2013, 06:10 PM   #131 (permalink)
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Is esata better than usb 3?

I don't know whether it's better to keep the drive in my pc and then use a sata to usb (usb 3?) adapter for when I need to make backups from my laptop... Or to just get an enclosure
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Old March 20th, 2013, 06:32 PM   #132 (permalink)
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Is esata better than usb 3?

I don't know whether it's better to keep the drive in my pc and then use a sata to usb (usb 3?) adapter for when I need to make backups from my laptop... Or to just get an enclosure
ESATA is a little faster than USB3, as long as the entire chain has SATA III (6Mbps) speeds going. Of course there aren't any drives that ever get that fast except in tiny bursts, so... It's been around for a while now, and I suspect there's some reason why it's not more popular.

My guess is that because eSATA is a direct connection between the drive and the SATA bus, if the drive should become unplugged or loose, massive data corruption can happen. The other serial bus topologies have protocols between the hardware that handle sudden disconnects more gracefully. Also the eSATA connector looks and feels weak and cheesy. I wouldn't want to use it!

If you plan on buying more HDDs to have more backup versions, then an external enclosure or good all-metal "hot plug" bay (usually does not support hot plugging) will be more convenient in the long run. If you don't plan on having more than the one HDD, you might as well keep it inside the computer's case. OTOH if your computer gets stolen, keeping the backup drive separate can save your data. If that ever happens, you'd be glad you did...

Tough choice.
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With that, I think I'll buy another sata data cable and put the drive in my pc.... But, I mean, I - its too hard!
I think the extra cost of an enclosure and having to store that somewhere and not lose it isn't worth 30. I'll get a sata data cable (1) and a protection box thingy and a sata to usb for the laptop. Job done.

Sea gate Barracuda 2TB, 7200rpm, SATA3, and 64mb cache sound good enough?
Can't believe I'm gonna get 2TB for the price of my WD 1TB :'(

Edit : worth getting extended warranty?
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With that, I think I'll buy another sata data cable and put the drive in my pc.... But, I mean, I - its too hard!
I think the extra cost of an enclosure and having to store that somewhere and not lose it isn't worth 30. I'll get a sata data cable (1) and a protection box thingy and a sata to usb for the laptop. Job done.
LOL...I can't imagine going to a store and buying a SATA cable! I don't think they even have them, and I already have more than I'll ever use, thanks to all the ones that come with motherboards, drives etc.

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Sea gate Barracuda 2TB, 7200rpm, SATA3, and 64mb cache sound good enough?
Can't believe I'm gonna get 2TB for the price of my WD 1TB :'(
I've been buying the Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive with good results. It's as good as you need. I also buy the more costly AV and server variants, but I sometimes wonder if they're really any different. Id you're getting the same capacity for half the price, that's a great deal!

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Usually not ever.
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Ahah

I'll be getting the sata cable from eBay probably (as I can get a matching Asus one), and I'll definitely order the hard drive without extended warranty tomorrow :-P

Thanks man for all the help!
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In that case get the cool locking SAS/SATA cable! Every computer cable should be locking.
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Yeah, the Asus ones I have are locking ;-)

Need to see if I can get a usb 3/sata cable adapter for connecting to the laptop. I know there's usb2 ones...
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69 + free shipping with 1 year warranty from scan
72 + 9 shipping with 2 year warranty from OCUK.

Any idea what to do?


Edit : after tonight, the OC one will go up to 80. I don't know if it's worth paying 90 for 2TB when 3TB is 93 on scan.

I don't want to say it, but I'm gonna end up saying it anyway. Sorry in advance.

But I don't really need that much space. On my 1TB I've used up 500GB and more than 200 is games that don't need to be backed up. So i dont know if 3TB is worth getting... The money I save (a solid 20 - 2 weeks of my paper round) would go towards an adapter for my laptop and some sata cables.....

Help? :'(
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69 + free shipping with 1 year warranty from scan
72 + 9 shipping with 2 year warranty from OCUK.

Any idea what to do?
Flip a coin?

Here in the US, most extended warranties aren't worth what you pay for them as a rule. If a piece of electronics doesn't die within the 90 day factory warranty period, it's highly unlikely to ever die, and if it does there are so many exceptions in most 3rd party contracts that you'll never see a replacement without a big fight.

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But I don't really need that much space. On my 1TB I've used up 500GB and more than 200 is games that don't need to be backed up. So i dont know if 3TB is worth getting... The money I save (a solid 20 - 2 weeks of my paper round) would go towards an adapter for my laptop and some sata cables....
Just keep repeating to yourself: "I need the space...I need the space..." You can never have too much space. You might need it right now, but eventually you will. (If you don't, you're not working or playing hard enough.) So repeat after me: "I need the space...I need the space..."
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Sorry, but I think I'm not gonna get that 3TB one. When I need the space, I could probably get the extra space on another hard drive for less than 20.

I understand that how much data we use is rapidly increasing, but I'm sure I'll be fine with 2tb :'( sorry ^_^

Looking at the descriptions carefully, they should both be exactly the same drive. I'll check it when it comes (yeah, I took the plunge) and also check the difference between the .12 and .14 models.

I also had a quick look on Amazon and a few sellers seems to do the 2yr warranty for less than the 80 I just spent. However, OCUK is renowned for its customer service should I think I'll be ok as i am. If it doesn't despatch tomorrow, I might email scan and see why their model only has a one year warranty.
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No need to apologize, Mehta23. It's not like we have anything better to do here. Don't worry about letting anyone here down; it's your life!
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Yeah, I know what you guys are like :-P

Edit: Scan said the two drives are identical. Warranty difference is because of different suppliers.

Also I recently redid the windows rating thingy.. Score has gone up to 7.6 (score for cpu/ram) with everything else on 7. 9! Although I've just realised that that doesn't mean my hdd is any faster, just my ssd is faster than it. ^_^
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The hard drive arrived today! So I'll start backing up some of my data soon.

At the moment I'll just keep it in the case, but I'll look to get a storage enclosure - I don't need a icy box enclosure with a usb port, and after a proper look, I'm not sure if the bay adapter looks a bit flimsy. Besides, it's not really too difficult to pop open the side panel and connect the cables. :-P


EDIT: oh no! I can hear a weird clicking sound again. Not really sure what it is, but I think it might be the PSU (again). I'll have a look later to see if I can pin point the source of the sound, and maybe clean out the PSU. All I know is that it's really annoying and goes away if I put my PC to sleep.
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Got the drive setup, and slowly making backups of everything.

I noticed that the Seagate drive is much quieter than the WD, and also cooler, and perhaps a lil quicker too.
I also found a 1Tb barracuda on ebuyer for 41... Not sure if I should leave everything as it is, or get that one as well. Although I guess selling my WD wouldn't be ideal as I probably lose out on a lot - I bought it for 76, and probably wont be able to sell it for as much.
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Now that I've got Windows and my new backup drive all set up, I was wondering what the recommended things are to do for backing up data?

Most of it is simple enough, but for example, would a backup of photos from a sd card to the backup drive be sufficient? Or should I back them up again, onto the internal HDD/cloud?

edit: and would this be enough to protect it when out of my PC case?
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