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Old October 8th, 2012, 03:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Realised I'm gonna have a few questions about my PC , so I made this thread to keep everything together without hijacking other threads.

If anyone can have a look at and recommend any of the keyboards / monitors , that'll be great ...

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Now that most of my PC is set up , I was wondering if there were any 'care' things I should be doing in the future e.g. cleaning the dust filters etc?
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for your monitor I would do -Acer S240HLbid I have two of them and I love them.

As far as key boards and mice thats more of personal opinion, for keyboards myself, I like "laptop style" which by that I mean flat keys.. and for mice I like the small ones that most people use for laptops.. but again those are all personal preferences.

For speakers last two time I've gotten them I have gone with logitech, they are pretty good quality and a decent price range. Good luck with your build
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I would suggest going with either an Asus or a Samsung monitor, currently i have a Samsung 27" and i love it so much, they do have a slight issue with Horizantal screen tearing on some of them, i got a good one though and it is amazing picture quality, a little more bang for your buck if you ask me
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Yeah, there's the Acer and this Asus : ASUS VE247H 24 inch LED Widescreen Full HD 1080p Support with HDMI 2ms Response Time Splendid? Video Intelligence Technology
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004T2LMP2/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_ap_am_gb?ie=UTF8

No idea which to go for.

For the keyboard, I think I'm gonna have to try one or get that Sidewinder X4...
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In addition to my previous question , I was thinking about OCing.

I know it voids warranty but :

1. How likely is it that I would be needing to use the warranty?
2. If a fault occurs , could I return it to stock clock before sending it back?
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I accidentally booted up into the BIOS , and found that it said I had 8GB of DDR3 RAM at 1333MHz....

Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 8GB 1600MHz CL9 DDR3 Vengeance Memory Two Module Kit: Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories

Shouldn't it be 1600MHz?
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I have a Viewsonic 24" widescreen and it's fantastic. It's 1080p with HD. Beautiful picture. It was only $180.
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I have a Viewsonic 24" widescreen and it's fantastic. It's 1080p with HD. Beautiful picture. It was only $180.

I think I'm going Acer vs Asus for £30 more... But there's a Samsung too far £120...

Too much choice
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If your thinking about ocing be careful to high of settings will burn your cpu so unless you know about voltage settings and etc I'd suggest not to do it N if you do make sure you got. Good heat sink to keep the temps down so it doesn't over heat and damage cpu and yes as far as I know you can set it back to stock speeds but I if I were you try not letting a fault to occur cause after u save settings to bios reboot if cpu cant handle new settings ur cpu is now toasted
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\I can't bloody decide.

There are too many monitors to go for !

I really need help on what to go for ... I was thinking the Samsung or Asus but I don't know anymore.


Next point :

I've spent around 500 of my ~800 budget. After my monitor , I will have around 180 . Obviously it's not enough to get my keyboard/mouse and GPU , so I'm gonna have to inject even more money into this .

But I was wondering if getting a GTX 560 Ti GPU would be enough? Are the perks with the 670 enough to justify the extra 130?

I've asked this next one in a different thread , but would I benefit from gaming peripherals, or should I just get a standard keyboard/mouse?
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My Western Digital Black Caviar is really loud , and in the Windows System score thing it get 5.7....

Any way to improve it ? Or is it not a accurate test?
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Do they still call them Caviars? heh

Loud compared to..? Is this a new drive? What model? I have a 2002FAEX and just ordered another one for wife's PC...love this drive.

The only way to get more than 5.7 is to have an SSD as your Windows boot drive (you'll get 7.9 that way). It isn't a refined benchmark, so don't use it for that. Use ATTO or CrystalDiskMark, HDTach...

My old WD Blues (4x 250GB RAID0) is getting 6.2. Hrmmm...yours may be low or RAID0 helps that much.
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Loud compared to all the other fans etc .

I can heat my hard drive over my old pc which is like 50 db.
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IS there a program which logs my CPU frequencies?
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CPU-Z for real-time (don't know if it logs to a file).
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Why does Amazon increase their prices for all the things I need?!!

Reckon there'd be a good time to get things cheap soon? Or is everything going up for early Christmas shopping?
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Give it a few days; I see that happen all the time. I keep the item in my wish list and check daily.
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I put them in my basket so it shows me how much they've increased by.

Keyboard / mouse and cooler aren't too important atm, so I don't mind waiting for a better price.
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Any tips for cleaning my monitor?
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Clean it after it's been off overnight; if you clean it whilst on, the heat will cause streaking.

Wipe in circles ("Wax on....wax off...") to also prevent drying/streaking and don't spray the whole screen at once for the same reason.
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Would glasses lens cleaner do the trick?
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Another one for you guys

ATM I'm indexing my C Drive ( hopefully to make it faster in searching )

If I set my PC to never turn off the Hard drives, and lock my account - will it still be indexing in the background?

Also, how hard is it to transfer the required data if I were to get a SSD?
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Yes, everything will run in the background. Indexing may even wake HDDs if they're asleep. (If you use your PC daily, I don't recommend cycling HDDs like that.)

There are plenty of clone/drive copy/move-to-SSD programs (free). I used Paragon Drive Copy 11 (free from giveawayoftheday.com).

Mushkin SSDs have great performance and excellent prices; I use them on my clients' builds (and wished I did on my builds).
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I heard OCZ are good? 120gb for £75.

Clients...i guess you build and sell Pc's. I'd love to get into this, but its high cost and not many people would trade with a "kid".
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I've found the evga precision app for android, but it connects via Bluetooth

Would any Bluetooth card just slot into my motherboard and work with my phone?
. Is the app even worth that?
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In addition to the Bluetooth, I'm looking at the CM hyper 212 CPU cooler which has reduced from the increased £29 to £25.

Reckon it'll get much lower?
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- OCZ is junk

- I don't see the use for an Android app; there's a regular Win version and MSI Afterburner is another alternative

- Just about any aftermarket cooler would be an improvement but if the quid could be put towards anything else, do so as improved cooling only matters if the stock one isn't enough (you utilise the CPU to the point that it down-clocks). I've built a few 4.2GHz i5's that run on stock coolers and it only down-clocks during burn-in tests; the users don't do anything that demanding (incl. gaming)

- Yes, I've been selling custom-built PCs/small business networks since the mid nineties. I only do it on occasion these days and only by referral
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Thanks again Rolo for yet another brilliant reply.

At the moment the only other thing I need is a keyboard and mouse. Cooling was to reduce temps if i (needed to) overclock. At the moment everything is pretty fine. Haven't intensely gamed or edited to know...

Here, Mushkin doesn't seem to be that big.... But what's wrong with Ocz?
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Mushkin has been around for many years with a solid track record; I still have their PC-166 (PC-133 OC) in my Win95 machine. Wife & I have their DDR3-2133 @ 1.5v in our current desktops and they were cheaper than anyone else and at lower voltage.

I put their (Edit) Chronos SSD in client builds and wished I had put it in our builds (wasn't available at the time, SF-22xx controversy as well). (Client builds also serve as a testing ground for my builds.)
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Yeah , I couldn't find many of their products on Amazon, but it is on ebay and LambaTek

Reckon they'll go down in price by Xmas?
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Thanks again to Rolo, I managed to get CPu-Z up and running .

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Finally started my first-ish gaming session. 15 minutes of Just Cause 2. My 670 holds the frame rate between 59-60 and if I properly max the AA its the same, although it dropped twice to 45.
After 15 minutes and a minute of the benchmark my GPU was at 43° and CPU at 45°, so not bad temps.

The fans on the card haven't gone over 35% but they get loud at 50 and LOUD/NOISY approaching full. Sounds like a mechanical washing machine noise sorta thing.... :-P

Really impressed with it. Just need a good mouse to go with it.
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If you're staying at 60FPS and your game's settings are maxed, use nVidia control panel to override some settings with higher values.
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I have, and still 59.2-60.1 in borderlands 2!

I know you've recommend Mushkin, but how are SanDisk?

Also, what should be the size I get? I've seen 60gb for £40 and 120gb for £70. Higher than that is still expensive.
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Wipe in circles ("Wax on....wax off...") to also prevent drying/streaking and don't spray the whole screen at once for the same reason.
Bought a pack off Amazon for a mere 2. Seems to have done the trick.
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Let me know how the cleaners work; I think I can do better than what I have currently.

re: SSD size. Are you going to use SRT caching (highly recommended). If so, how big? (it can go up to 64GB, leaving 55GB formatted capacity free on a 120/128GB SSD).

I have 64GB cache, 55GB Windows boot and system partitions (system reserved and C and some program files installed to the SSD. This keeps the cache clear of OS/frequently used files and ensures a killer boot-up time (not that the latter really matters but attests to the responsiveness to expect).

I also have Diablo III on the SSD since their asset loading routine sucks and causes hitching on a mechanical drive; SRT caching won't cache huge files (like DIII's 1GB+ MPQ files). You may want to have the option available to you should you need it.
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Wel, after being told it was a waste of money :P. it seems to have done well.

It came with a anti static brush to take away all the dust - not bad.

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and a microfibre cloth.

Got rid of the marks, what else can I say?

I have no idea about SRT caching at all.
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Another thing, the icon for EVGA precision X has just vanished. It's not just a white page with a icon on it...

I've tried reinstalling it but nothing happened?


This has just fixed itself...
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In addition to not knowing what SSD size to get, I don't know what are like good gpu / CPU temps to stay under...?

By not getting any fans I can save myself £35, which is almost the price as a 64GB OCZ or SanDisk ssd


Edit : I forgot how expensive my graphics card was, so I've actually got £80 out of my budget (including the extra few hundred quid I've put on)

Considering I still want my keyboard / mouse, looks like my fans ( at least the CPU cooler) and ssd will have to wait until Xmas / I get a job :'(
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I'm finding my exhaust case fan to be a little noisy and i was wondering if it was worth it to replace it / get some top fans..?

Recommended brands?
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Exhaust (and top) definitely (if your top is open but not exhausting, the rear fan will pull outside air rather than inside (hot) air.

I pretty much have Antec Tri-Cool LED fans because they come with the cases. They last a few years and run noise-free before dying (had 2/12 120mm plotz after 4-6 years; I've never had an Antec 80mm fan break as they've outlived their usefulness but I've had other brands die out.)

Enermax fans have some nice bling if that's important.

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Definitely RMA the card (weak component now ~ failure later) for another new one. If they don't exchange for new, I'd just return it and go for another brand.

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I've never used PrecisionX; I've always used MSI Afterburner.
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Yeah, the top is open.

A quick look on amazon shows the 200mm Cooler master fan, some corsair 120mm and artic cooling and another called akasa.

These the ones you're on about?
Antec 120mm TwoCool Fan for PC
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B007TG5E8Q/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_ap_am_gb?ie=UTF8
Enermax T.B.Silence PWM Case Fan 120 x 120 x 25
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004RJ6K4A/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_ap_am_gb?ie=UTF8

I was also wondering if it would be better to get the cheaper CM top 200mm or two slightly better 120's?
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Another thing ( sorry!)

I've yet to make a backup of anything , as I dont have anything to do it on. ( 10 DVD's is a bit much I think , although I could do it )

Is it better to get an external back up drive, or a internal one and then remove that and keep it safe ...somewhere..?
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One more thing!

How much of a difference would I see in normal tasks, Photoshop/video editing and gaming if I overclock my CPU/GPU?

Just wondering if it's worth doing it.

Plus the question about the fans..

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Give it a few days; I see that happen all the time. I keep the item in my wish list and check daily.
Still the same price

Going back to SSD's....

Would you still say the Mushkin are the best? Just that they are a bit more expensive , 20-30 , than the equivalent size Intel, and OCZ ones.


Another thing: how much of a difference does overclocking make? At the moment , my system can maintain a decent temp , but if it makes sense to OC, I will think about getting those top fans / exhaust fan changed and add a CPU cooler....
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For SSD Intel or Samsung are good

For cleaning your monitor, use a microfiber cloth or any very soft cloth and just a drop or two of water. I usually get a cup and dip a tiny part of the cloth in and wipe very gently on the monitor.

Whatever you do dont use any ammonia based cleaners. I personally stay away from any chemical cleaner.

As for temp/OC'ing -- what CPU do you have?
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I've been meaning to start the RMA process to send back my GPU .

I've been told to start that RMA from the EVGA website and so on. Only , there's no HQ in the UK, and the only one in Europe is in Germany . There's no way I'm paying 50 to send it back - but is this the only way ?
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