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Old October 25th, 2012, 01:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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im fixing to tri-boot windows 8/ubuntu12.10/linux mint

im kind of liking mint, whats your take on the distro
whether its debian/ubuntu core.
i love ubuntu but i just want to experiment, call me e hethen but im not a huge fan of Fadora XD

so whats your view?

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Interestingly, I switched from mint to Ubuntu some time ago. Idk I kinda felt like mint was ububtuish already. I just had a few glitches with the UI from time to time so I decided to go with the tried and true. Its probably come a long way since then, its been several months now.
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I gave up on Ubuntu quite some time ago. I did install the Mint Debian Edition for awhile but got bored of it and now run Mageia Linux, a fork of Mandriva.

I usually run pure Debian Testing more so than any of the derivatives. I just have a better experience with it.
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Looks like your poll is missing a few thousand distros. IJS
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Looks like your poll is missing a few thousand distros. IJS
This. Lol.

I voted Ubuntu. First distro I used ever. So I'm pretty familiar with the ins and outs of it.

Personally, though, I would voted Arch or Debian, if they were there.
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I've used Ubuntu & Mint, much preferred Mint (Gnome then XFCE versions) I'm currently running PCLOS(Enlightenment-E17) and XFCE desktops on varoius computers around the house. All dual-booting with Win7 Pro. PCLOS just feels more robust, plus it has a separate root password so it's maybe a bit more secure.
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I probably prefer mint to ubuntu... But I run debian myself.

I'm gonna have to give arch another go some day... last time I tried it, I failed.
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I'll give you the top 10 for your poll.

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Mint and Ubuntu are so similar that the only thing that would have me chose one over the other are the graphics.
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Ubuntu is the first I've tried as android development tutorials seemed to cover this distro well. I got used to the debian way of going things. I use Fedora at work but it aggravates me.

I love the whole look and feel if Ubuntu. Whilst function is important, so too are aesthetics.

Many don't say this but I LOVE unity
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I probably prefer mint to ubuntu... But I run debian myself.

I'm gonna have to give arch another go some day... last time I tried it, I failed.
Arch is hit and miss with me getting it to work. Try out some that have a GUI installer. Like Cinnarch, Bridge, or ArchBang
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OK, I just went all in with Ubuntu. Why Ubuntu? I had a CD. In learning more, I discovered DistroWatch. Apparently, there are thousands if not several ways to go when jumping on the Linux Bandwagon. Too many choices, so I'll stick with Ubuntu until I learn enough to know WTH I am doing.

Seems like there are many distros all with their own quirks, issues, problems, features and so forth. I only wish I knew enough to know if I wuld be better off with Yellowdog, Puppy, Deft or Slax.

Sure be a learnin curve ahead and I have many questions.

I did try KDE Plasma because I read where it is "better" than Gnome. Rather, it seemed better to me. I downloaded the program, did whatever I remember doing and rebooted. I hated it because it asked for a login name and password. I could not figure out what to enter and everything I tried was in vain. No way in, so I reinstalled Ubuntu (I googled the hell out of my problem to no avail).

I still want to use Plasma, so I (think) I downloaded it again, but I am not sure what will happen when I reboot. So today is Ubuntu Learning Curve day.
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OK, so here is a simple question: with the many distros and forks and such, how does one decide which to use? I looked for the answer and it is buried. No clear solution or answer. I do not want to try many different operating systems, distros, forks and flavors.
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I think Ubuntu is a great first introduction to linux IMHO
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I haven't really tried any other distros for any length of time. Ubuntu was my first and still run it on my desktop dual booted with windows XP.


It's most unfortunate that I even have to have windows, but there's just somethings windows can do that linux cannot do and vice versa.
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This.

Granted I'm not a fan of unity but that is easily remedied. Ubuntu was my first distro. 9.04 was the version. I have never looked back to Windows since.
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OK, so here is a simple question: with the many distros and forks and such, how does one decide which to use? I looked for the answer and it is buried. No clear solution or answer. I do not want to try many different operating systems, distros, forks and flavors.
Asking what Linux distro is the best is like asking which chips are the best. Your answers are not limited to just the ones you know about. For you its going to come down to which one you feel most comfortable with. I started playing with Linux years ago but didn't become a serious user until about 6 years ago. I wish I knew more than I did and am thankful to know what I do. The best way to learn for me is to jump in and start doing. Some can't do that they need books and other things to help. Some wan't friends to assist and help. I depend on the forums and my own knowledge. I know your an intelligent person and can figure things out fairly well. I have seen many of your post after all and feel fairly confident in that statement.

My Suggestion is to first learn the linux way. I am personally a fan of Fedora but its not really a starting point. I would say Mageia (A Fork from the now defunct Mandriva) or stay with Ubuntu. As far as your desktop environment I would try them all and see what feels good. (Gotta Love the Live CD for that) I recommend using a usb drive for your distro and just get comfortable using it. Start switching some of your programs to cross platform stuff like VLC instead of Windows media player, Chrome or Firefox instead of IE. No real substitute for Excel so if thats something you do often then keep windows around for that kind of stuff until you feel you no longer need them or have found comparable alternatives for your needs. When things get difficult remember your friends We'll help as much as we can or at least point you to the right direction
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Mageia linux does come with KDE by default, I always use a login on my setups, even Windows whenever I install it, but if I'm not mistaken, during installation, you should get the option to use a login or not.

I have given up on Ubuntu awhile ago, though it is a pretty good distro, IMHO, it is trying to become Linux of all Linux. I'm not sure why everybody think Ubuntu is Linux!
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Seems like there are many distros all with their own quirks, issues, problems, features and so forth. I only wish I knew enough to know if I wuld be better off with Yellowdog, Puppy, Deft or Slax.
Yellowdog is for Macs only. Let's see, how many version did Win 7 come with.

Windows 7 Home Basic
Windows 7 Home Premium
Windows 7 Professional
Windows 7 Enterprise
Windows 7 Ultimate

Talk about confusion, and they all come with a different price tag! Also remember most have to pay for Office and any other MS software & real productive software.

Debian Stable, KDE version & OpenSuse, just to name a few more for KDE based. Now that Gnome 3 is out, I preferred Gnome 2 for all newbies instead of KDE, though most thought KDE was best for newbies to linux. I like Gnome 3 over Unity, just my opinion.
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I like Gnome 3 over Unity, just my opinion.
It's taken me some time to adjust to Gnome 3 I really liked Gnome 2. KDE IMHO is way to heavy and reminds me to much of Redmond. I use Gnome 3 on my everyday computer and have LXDE on both of my servers. LXDE is built on Gnome so its kinda like using Gnome 2 again with a few differences. XFCE is also another good desktop built off of Gnome 2.
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@Bob, well, distrowatch is a good place to start. I actually stumbled upon a website that does a lot of linux distro reviews whilst looking for a grub tutorial, and that's been a place that I've found out about a few new distros.

I think it comes down to what you'll want to do, and how easy it'll be for you to configure it. For example, a security distro such as backtrack is full of network testing utilities, which are all configured in a way to work well with eachother. Could a user set it up? Yes. Better than the bt folks did? Maybe. But why bother when it's already set up?

That was the main reason I stuck with mint for so long, it was ubuntu but with all the things I was planning to add anyways. Those are some of the things I look at. And I tend to prefer Gnome 2 to other desktop environments, so that's always a plus for me.
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Asking what Linux distro is the best is like asking which chips are the best. Your answers are not limited to just the ones you know about. For you its going to come down to which one you feel most comfortable with. I started playing with Linux years ago but didn't become a serious user until about 6 years ago. I wish I knew more than I did and am thankful to know what I do. The best way to learn for me is to jump in and start doing. Some can't do that they need books and other things to help. Some wan't friends to assist and help. I depend on the forums and my own knowledge. I know your an intelligent person and can figure things out fairly well. I have seen many of your post after all and feel fairly confident in that statement.

My Suggestion is to first learn the linux way. I am personally a fan of Fedora but its not really a starting point. I would say Mageia (A Fork from the now defunct Mandriva) or stay with Ubuntu. As far as your desktop environment I would try them all and see what feels good. (Gotta Love the Live CD for that) I recommend using a usb drive for your distro and just get comfortable using it. Start switching some of your programs to cross platform stuff like VLC instead of Windows media player, Chrome or Firefox instead of IE. No real substitute for Excel so if thats something you do often then keep windows around for that kind of stuff until you feel you no longer need them or have found comparable alternatives for your needs. When things get difficult remember your friends We'll help as much as we can or at least point you to the right direction
FYI: Regular chips are clearly the best. If you like the flavors, be aware that you are under the thumb of Big Chips and the flavorings contain things that foggle the mind. The only solution is plain chips and draft beer for a month. Thought you should know.
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Ubuntu is regular chips, Bob.
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I actually just installed Ubuntu. Because it just works. And I have the cinnamon desktop. So I'm a happy camper.
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I tried Ubuntu. With those gaudy awful colors and the large buttons on the side of the screen, it reminds me of Windows Metro. Not sure why, it just does. I just installed Mint. My last install for a long time to come. I see no value in trying out different versions because I am not convinced there are that many differences between most editions / versions / distros / forks or what have you.

But I am clueless so do not listen to me.

It seems to me that many of these different versions are essentially the same OS with a change in the desktop or included programs. Am I essentially correct? Again, I am clueless.

Seems to me, Microsoft could create Windows_Cook Edition, Windows_Play Edition and Windows_Engineer versions by simply adding things related to baking, games and train driving. Same OS, different content.

Seems the fundamental differences have to do with the Kernel.

So as always, clarification and corrections are welcome.
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I don't know what to tell you here, Bob. You're pretty close.

Your going in position is that you're not convinced of major differences between the distributions, yet it sounds like you haven't tried many.

GNU/Linux (the canonically correct name) is an operating system consisting of the Linux kernel, GNU and other FOSS replacements for unix building blocks and various utilities and a desktop environment.

Various distributions primarily change those last two items in the list above.

The desktop is actually optional on any *nix operating system. A useful and desirable option but an option nonetheless. Last Ubuntu I ran, I replaced the desktop with one more to my liking.

It's a completely different paradigm than various Windows versions and you need to accept that if you want to understand it.

You can sample distributions until you find one you like, or you modify any of them to the limits of your experience and develop whatever user environment meets your needs.

You can even take a Linux distribution optimized for embedded applications, add a stack engine to serve as a virtual machine, supply utilities that run in that virtual machine, and call it Android. Google did.
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So Early . . . If Ubuntu is like a bag of regular chips, what would be the equivalent of a lavish 24-course dinner before the Emperor of China, with illegally imported cubans and 50 YO single malt scotch and serving girls in almost nothing at all?

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Okay, I just received my Core 2 Duo system from Ebay and it came with Ubuntu installed by default. Ugggg, I'm going to keep it installed until the 14 days of exchange ends, then put Mageia 2 and maybe Win 7 on it.

Ubuntu is showing build date as 11.10, so this version is a year old. I don't know if I should update it or not. So far all my external hardware is working without issues, but I haven't tried my Brother All-In-One printer yet. Is this Unity desktop, as Bob mention, it has the icons as a sidebar?

My next task is to get the AIO working, which shouldn't be a big deal since Brother do offer .deb files on their website.

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Thought so.

So Early . . . If Ubuntu is like a bag of regular chips, what would be the equivalent of a lavish 24-course dinner before the Emperor of China, with illegally imported cubans and 50 YO single malt scotch and serving girls in almost nothing at all?
One of my distributed industrial systems would fit that bill rather nicely.

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Okay, I just received my Core 2 Duo system from Ebay and it came with Ubuntu installed by default. Ugggg, I'm going to keep it installed until the 14 days of exchange ends, then put Mageia 2 and maybe Win 7 on it.

Ubuntu is showing build date as 11.10, so this version is a year old. I don't know if I should update it or not. So far all my external hardware is working without issues, but I haven't tried my Brother All-In-One printer yet. Is this Unity desktop, as Bob mention, it has the icons as a sidebar?

My next task is to get the AIO working, which shouldn't be a big deal since Brother do offer .deb files on their website.

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Unity is a desktop UI. It can be replaced with whatever you want. Open box, iceWM, cinnamon, kde. I have 12.10 with the cinnamon desktop running. Its what mint uses. Very nice desktop interface. I'll post a screen cap after work
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Unity is a desktop UI. It can be replaced with whatever you want. Open box, iceWM, cinnamon, kde. I have 12.10 with the cinnamon desktop running. Its what mint uses. Very nice desktop interface. I'll post a screen cap after work
Yes, I understand I can change, switch and use more than one at the same time for the UI, but just wondered if this was Unity, I've never used it. I sure miss Gnome2 and I know it still around in some form or another but I wish somebody had forked it as it was.

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Yeah, see what I did was change the gaudy awful colours and resize the launcher icons to be much smaller....

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Don't be shy Bob - I'll bet you've worked in several of those, as have we all.
A little Visual Basic, some Access and a love affair with Fox Pro. Then batch files and modem test scripts written for our test computers and HP's BT Basic (Board Test Basic).

I do have a great fondness for Fox Pro. Not sure why I like it better than Access.

The first language I learned early on was called MOMBasic. The syntax is easy to understand:

"IF you do not clean your room, AND by the time your father gets home, THEN he will beat you. DO it now, young man, OR ELSE.

I think Roger Waters was a coder: "IF you dont eat your meat, THEN you will not get your pudding."
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You know....I just got an.idea...why don't we get a bunch of people here and start our own distro...? We can build off a tiny ubuntu ISO and customize it
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See the screenshot in #33 above. He seems to be using the Android Forums color scheme, so he is should be project lead. Or Early.

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I started with Red Hat (was it 5 or 5.1) back in 1998. Tried everything, loved Debian the most - stable. Apt-get FTW. Trouble is, I got bored of screwing around to make little things continue working. Connecting digital cameras was a particular thorn in my side.

At first, you should use the most popular distro, because that one 'usually' has the best support community. I still think that learning the command line is important - plus you may be able to get a job as a Linux Sys Admin. The most used Linux in industry is Red Hat by far. I have Oracle's linux due to my job. Its a clone of Red Hat.
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Some of you might have seen this distro already, but if you are an artist, writer or musician, you might consider downloading the live CD.

I have tried a few distros and I rather like Mint, but I also rather like ArtistX. Tons of programs. I am new to Linux so perhaps what I am so excited about is not so new; perhaps there are other distros just as feature rich and filled with applications aimed at one set of interests.

ArtistX is a large distro; around 3.5-4 gb. AX install hundreds of programs for creating 2d and 3d graphics, there are several different office suites, several word processors, quite a few text editors and more than a dozen configuration programs. There is really too much to describe here.

Tons of stuff I have never seen in a distro. I like Wine which is also installed.

It is built on Ubuntu.

I am rather surprised to see so much offered in a distro. Typically, you get the usual stuff. With this one, you get far more than you can absorb, fiddle with, experiment with, setup, and tryout.

Enlightenment:

Have you see this desktop? We talk of Gnome, KDE and the rest, but I had to discover this one on my own. Very slick and completely different than other DTs. It took me some time to figure out that desktop icons are locked in place and to move and resize them, you must right-clkck and select the action. You can configure the hell out of almost everything.

Anyway, it is snowing and I have nothing better to do than fiddle with the laptop and pester you fine folks.
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UR welcome. I find it all quite interesting.
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Definitely sounds worth checking out!
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Hey, Bob. Check out ubuntu studio or dream linux. Studio has the xfce environment. Dream...I dunno I haven't used it
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you can also check out 64 studio for media stuff

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or gnuartist

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Enlightenment:

Have you see this desktop? We talk of Gnome, KDE and the rest, but I had to discover this one on my own. Very slick and completely different than other DTs. It took me some time to figure out that desktop icons are locked in place and to move and resize them, you must right-clkck and select the action. You can configure the hell out of almost everything.

Anyway, it is snowing and I have nothing better to do than fiddle with the laptop and pester you fine folks.
You think Enlightenment is the bomb, for me, it have too much eye candy, but is nice & different.

I rather go for Openbox, it comes with only a blank screen by default. You have to right-click for any type of menu options. Then you add more to it. No desktop icons though unless you add something like Rox Filer.

Just a thought.
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I took a look at Ubuntu Studio. Not really for me, but it does look nice.

Some of these distros contain stuff I'll never use because I have it already, on a seperate machine. I did take a look at Dream Linux, but apparently, it is discontinued.

Not sure if that really makes a difference, does it? Perhaps you can tell me: if a distro is discontinued, does it really matter since you can add your own desktop and apps to any distro.
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One of my machines is running a ten year old distribution, and it does exactly what I need. If it ain't broke, don't fix it sort of thing.

You can follow the security community and update anything that you believe is a risk for you when found. If it is broken, you can fix it.

Typically, so long as you keep gcc updated and manage libraries as needed, you can use distributions for a very long time.
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I voted Ubuntu, but only because with mint I've had a few issues getting things running right. Also, ubuntu worked straight out of the box for me, whereas with mint I had to spend time configuring a bunch of drivers.

I think that's just because I made a few errors on my part with mint. YMMV.

All in all I like both- they're extremely similar and I use a billion and one desktop environments anyways, and the two I use the most are Gnome 3 and LXDE- I don't give two turds about Mate, Cinnamon or Unity.
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