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for some reason while playing a game (rigs of rods) my machine acted like the filesystem was mounted read-only. game saves wouldn't work. so i exited out and tried to see what was wrong. the machine froze. i held power until it turned off. then rebooted. now i was getting this warning that 'Ubuntu is in low-graphics mode' but nothing would give feedback as there was no mouse and the keyboard wouldn't select options. i could go into alt-F1 and login, type 'startx' and it would work, but only in Unity, not KDE, and lightDM was not working. worse yet, my graphics card was now being reported back to me as 'gallium llvmpipe' instead of 'radeon hd graphics'. i didn't know what had happened. i tried all i could (again, hours of googling) and all i ended up with was an unrecoverably corrupted X install. as i said put me in front of a Linux box and it's going to be dead. it's only a matter of time. i didn't edit anything either this time, i just was using it as i had been for a long time. it had always given me hell with fsck on boot, presumably due to a problem with my chosen filesystem type that must have not played nicely with my hard drive (kubuntu works fine, in contrast) or a corrupted ISO install (but would always work fine when i finally did get X up. i could play FSX, Star Trek Online, and any other game. of course, OMSI bus sim which i was interested in didn't work at all. it is rated 'garbage' in WineHQ and doesn't work in Virtualbox. it just crashes and displays German for 'Divide by Zero'). either way it was not possible to recover it, as first of all i did not even know why it was in low-graphics mode in the first place, nor do i have any means to find out which driver it was using. it was just generically, 'radeon hd graphics'. for a time, it would work just fine if i startx as root, but would not work in my normal user account unless it was in low graphics mode. sadly, none of my games would work under my root account, even if i pointed Wine to use that prefix. it would just crash. tried copying my user's home/.wine folder to root's home/root/.wine folder and tried again pointing Wine to that prefix, still crashed. i suppose it was only possible to run those games under my user account, not root. which meant i was at a dead-end as i could not for the life of me fix my graphics problem. i then tried to disable lightdm as i do prefer a console login anyway, but all that does now is tell me that X couldn't start as there is some fatal error.

I wish there was a method to go into XF86config or some sort of means to do the same autoprobing for hardware that the installer does when you first install the system, but i could not find any such app to do that job. also, Ubuntu seems to have done away with console config of X these days, making the problem even harder to fix.

Moody, if the app/game you want to use isn't in Synaptic or any other repo, you will end up doing things the hard way. and often spend hours trying to make it work in the distro you use. perhaps you can live without certain apps or consider it a worthy trade off. but it's a deal breaker when i can't play games others can just because i'm not running Windows. it always feels like i'm imprisoned in Android or Linux, as the things i want to do i cannot do. and for me, that 'freedom' feels like a cage when you have to accept that this app or this game isn't going to work and either play a watered down copy port of it or worse, 'get used to it'. that's just not acceptable. for now i got XP working for those programs. like it or not, i'm not giving them up.

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Here's a new one for y'all. when i go to 'logout' icon in my Kubuntu install, why is 'hibernate' greyed out? this is why i shut the system down as 'standby' always drains the battery resulting in an improper shutdown. my laptop isn't used all the time and i hate to leave it running, plus we're under a tornado watch so i don't want to leave it vulnerable, either. i know hibernating is supported in Win8 which originally came with this machine but it's always been greyed out in Linux

Like most GNU/Linux apps/programs, WINE is an acronym for 'Wine is not an Emulator' (or more officially, Wine Is Not a [windows] Emulator). I later found out that Linux isn't a combination of Linus and Unix as i previously thought, but yet another acronym for 'Linux Is Not UniX'
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once you booted the LiveCD, just reinstall Grub to MBR.
Just an FYI: Since GRUB requires a lot more space than a 512 byte boot sector can provide, it must have access to the files in the /boot directory. Most Linux distributions also allow GRUB to be installed on the VBR of the Linux boot partition, which comes in handy if Windows overwrites the master boot record. By putting the GRUB 1st stage loader on the VBR, all that needs to be done to boot Linux is to mark the correct partition as active. That's a bit easier than reinstalling GRUB IME because I can use any disk utility to change the active partition.
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for some reason while playing a game (rigs of rods) my machine acted like the filesystem was mounted read-only. game saves wouldn't work. so i exited out and tried to see what was wrong. the machine froze. i held power until it turned off. then rebooted. now i was getting this warning that 'Ubuntu is in low-graphics mode' but nothing would give feedback as there was no mouse and the keyboard wouldn't select options. i could go into alt-F1 and login, type 'startx' and it would work, but only in Unity, not KDE, and lightDM was not working. worse yet, my graphics card was now being reported back to me as 'gallium llvmpipe' instead of 'radeon hd graphics'. i didn't know what had happened. i tried all i could (again, hours of googling) and all i ended up with was an unrecoverably corrupted X install. as i said put me in front of a Linux box and it's going to be dead. it's only a matter of time. i didn't edit anything either this time, i just was using it as i had been for a long time. it had always given me hell with fsck on boot, presumably due to a problem with my chosen filesystem type that must have not played nicely with my hard drive (kubuntu works fine, in contrast) or a corrupted ISO install (but would always work fine when i finally did get X up. i could play FSX, Star Trek Online, and any other game. of course, OMSI bus sim which i was interested in didn't work at all. it is rated 'garbage' in WineHQ and doesn't work in Virtualbox. it just crashes and displays German for 'Divide by Zero'). either way it was not possible to recover it, as first of all i did not even know why it was in low-graphics mode in the first place, nor do i have any means to find out which driver it was using. it was just generically, 'radeon hd graphics'. for a time, it would work just fine if i startx as root, but would not work in my normal user account unless it was in low graphics mode. sadly, none of my games would work under my root account, even if i pointed Wine to use that prefix. it would just crash. tried copying my user's home/.wine folder to root's home/root/.wine folder and tried again pointing Wine to that prefix, still crashed. i suppose it was only possible to run those games under my user account, not root. which meant i was at a dead-end as i could not for the life of me fix my graphics problem. i then tried to disable lightdm as i do prefer a console login anyway, but all that does now is tell me that X couldn't start as there is some fatal error.
The next time something like this happens, log in with a different user account. Not root--just a regular, normal user. Go ahead and create another user right now if you don't already have one. Make its rights and privileges exactly the same as yours; make sure it's allowed to access all the same devices, networks, whatever, that you can. When something crazy happens, instead of trying it as root try it as this other, regular user. Does it work? If so, there's SOMETHING garbled/mangled/corrupted/screwed up in your $HOME. This is a great way to attack a problem because it'll tell you straight away if the problem ONLY exists for your usual account. Then you can start troubleshooting--either way.

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I wish there was a method to go into XF86config or some sort of means to do the same autoprobing for hardware that the installer does when you first install the system, but i could not find any such app to do that job. also, Ubuntu seems to have done away with console config of X these days, making the problem even harder to fix.
I really don't know. I haven't had to do any fiddling with any of that in...10 years? Maybe 15. I can't remember right now, but a long time at any rate.

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No, Nick, I won't/don't. I can, and do, install things outside of Synaptic whenever I feel like it or need it, and I simply do not EVER end up with the problems you're talking about.

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For me I think it's more of an out of sight, out of mind issue. I don't KNOW what's out there for window$ and, therefore, I don't care about, or miss, anything!

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I understand that. If I were in your shoes, well, I don't know what I'd do. On principle alone I won't use window$ or anything else from micro$oft. So I have no idea what I'd do.

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I'm as anti-m$ as you'll ever come across--yet I still recognize that if...ugh...IF...something of theirs works better for you than something else, you should use it. I personally wouldn't, but that's me, not you. The greatest thing of all about Linux is that it's all about choice. Choice in operating system, choice in distribution, choice in user interface, skill level, you name it. So if your choice is to NOT use it, that's okay, too.
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no belittling here, however i'm still getting over the whole night it took to get some stupid screen saver going. i mean, come on! an underwater screen saver! not a game, a SCREEN SAVER! she got it in an email and she wanted it. double clicked the *.exe
Probably be better if it didn't run. Seriously opening an EXE you received in an email is just asking for trouble. One click and that Windows computer could be pwned. Especially for a novice non-techie user that doesn't know any better than to run strange EXEs.

I sometimes receive EXEs in emails, I don't know what they are, and TBH I'm not really interested in them. Could be malware, could be a trojan, could be anything. It might say "Underwater screensaver or "Justin Bieber screensaver" or something, but next thing you know all your credit card and bank account details are on some hacker's network in Russia or China. Can't run them on my PC anyway, so they just go straight to trash.

She'd have exactly the same thing with Mac OS X as well, or anything that wasn't Windows when trying to open EXEs, e.g. Apple iPad.
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I understand that. If I were in your shoes, well, I don't know what I'd do. On principle alone I won't use window$ or anything else from micro$oft. So I have no idea what I'd do.
I'm the same now. I won't use anything Microsoft if I can help it, because I like to be assured that my PCs are not spying on me, and all my private data is not been uploaded to Beijing or wherever.
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Personally, I like that I can move my entire installation to another computer, often (most times, so far) without having to reinstall my Linux OS.

Seriously, I have a Linux-based firewall that has migrated from a P2 platform to a series of P4s without a hitch.

Meanwhile, Windows has a hissy if I put more memory in my laptop and clone it to a new hard drive.

I don't play many games, and there problems and hitches using wine to run some Windows-based games (Age of Empires come to mind), but then, I have problems trying to run Win XP-based games on Vista, too... so what can I do?
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i stopped getting all high and mighty about spying online when i realized how redundant it was given how cell phone GPSs and even the connection to the towers itself (and yes, even your wifi at home) gets seen by who-knows-what these days. i once worried about animal control spying on any pet in my home who was chipped (although i am still very much against RFID tagging of humans as well as animals) but since Google and who knows what government entity probably knows my location based on wifi MAC address lookup (go to some website such as speedtest.net it will sometimes identify your home street address or such via WAN IP) it seemed stupid to worry about one form of spying when so many others are out there and cannot be turned off. if one uses their GPS or such *they* know where you are no matter what OS you use.

I won't go back to Windows for normal use as 90% of what i do can be done in Linux (albeit at a slow framerate and not stable). Mom is only sold on Linux because her Win7 got a virus (one of them fake antivirus things) and Linux is pretty immune to that stuff.

Bottom line: crying about Windows spying on you is redundant and moot if you use Google Maps or Google Now. *they* know where you are 24/7. even some new cars transmit your location (OnStar, anyone?). on some forums, people put some little image into their signatures that shows data based on your computer's WAN IP. it says something like 'You're located in Owensboro, Kentucky. you are using LINUX. your IP is xxx.xxx.x.x'
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i stopped getting all high and mighty about spying online when i realized how redundant it was given how cell phone GPSs and even the connection to the towers itself (and yes, even your wifi at home) gets seen by who-knows-what these days. i once worried about animal control spying on any pet in my home who was chipped (although i am still very much against RFID tagging of humans as well as animals) but since Google and who knows what government entity probably knows my location based on wifi MAC address lookup (go to some website such as speedtest.net it will sometimes identify your home street address or such via WAN IP) it seemed stupid to worry about one form of spying when so many others are out there and cannot be turned off. if one uses their GPS or such *they* know where you are no matter what OS you use.

I won't go back to Windows for normal use as 90% of what i do can be done in Linux (albeit at a slow framerate and not stable). Mom is only sold on Linux because her Win7 got a virus (one of them fake antivirus things) and Linux is pretty immune to that stuff.
Was it an EXE that came in an email, masquerading as a screensaver?

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Bottom line: crying about Windows spying on you is redundant and moot if you use Google Maps or Google Now. *they* know where you are 24/7. even some new cars transmit your location (OnStar, anyone?). on some forums, people put some little image into their signatures that shows data based on your computer's WAN IP. it says something like 'You're located in Owensboro, Kentucky. you are using LINUX. your IP is xxx.xxx.x.x'
I'm actually talking about government back-doors into Microsoft software. Microsoft gives full co-operation the Chinese communist government, to ensure they have total access to everything that's done with Microsoft software. All proprietary software companies in China have to do it, it's the law here. That's why "Don't be evil." Google hasn't been doing very well here, because they won't do that.

You see I don't particularly wish find myself been arrested just because I wrote something about Tiananmen Square '89 in Skype or MS Word. And I don't particularly wish to see any of my friends been arrested either because of Microsoft. Finding yourself in trouble in China is not good. Which is completely different to them just knowing my street address or what devices I'm using. As I said, I like to be able to trust the software on my PCs not to be spying on me.

I don't mind them knowing:-
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But I do NOT want them knowing everything that I type on the keyboard or store on the HDD.

I've found Windows to be rather busy with background data activities. I don't know what it's doing and what it's phoning phone. It's a blackbox to me. With Linux Mint, if I'm not actually doing anything, there is no background data activity going on. Also with that background Windows data activity if I'm using a metered 3G connection, that's costing me real $$$.
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Well, I thought the government got track of you once you are given a Social Security number...they may not know exactly where one is at the moment but it wouldn't take long before they know!
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Here's a thing I found Microsoft to be very restrictive about, and not letting me do my own things with PCs. A few months ago I tried to print out a UK 10 ten pound note and a US $10 ten dollar bill so I could show the students, using a school Windows XP computer. Windows wouldn't let me do it because I was trying to print an image of a banknote, i.e. it assumed I was a counterfeiter and criminal.

Apparently there's DRM in Windows printer drivers that blocks the printing of currency images. This is something that anyone can try for themselves, try printing out an actual size colour image of a banknote in Windows and see what happens.

It's this unique pattern of dots that Windows detects and stops the image been printed. I'm sure it's the same with Mac OS X as well.

AFAIK just about all banknotes have it.

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Probably be better if it didn't run. Seriously opening an EXE you received in an email is just asking for trouble. One click and that Windows computer could be pwned. Especially for a novice non-techie user that doesn't know any better than to run strange EXEs.
Hear, hear!

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There was once a young man who, in his youth, professed his desire to become a great writer. When asked to define "great" he said, "I want to write stuff that the whole world will read, stuff that people will react to on a truly emotional level. Stuff that will make them scream, cry, and howl in pain and anger!"

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There was once a young man who, in his youth, professed his desire to become a great writer. When asked to define "great" he said, "I want to write stuff that the whole world will read, stuff that people will react to on a truly emotional level. Stuff that will make them scream, cry, and howl in pain and anger!"

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You know, the punchline could just as well be written:

He now works for Microsoft, writing software.

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It's this unique pattern of dots that Windows detects and stops the image been printed. I'm sure it's the same with Mac OS X as well.
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That's like a modern day equivalent of the old Soviet thing, where the secret police would keep a register of all the typewriters and their owners. So any dissident and/or illegal typed documents could be traced back to the typewriter's owner.

It would be interesting to know if this is implemented at the proprietary driver level or it's done within the printer itself. If it's the former, using open source Linux drivers there wouldn't be any tracking dots.
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Mom keeps begging me to reinstall Windows until i can get her machine to do what she wants it to do (she just HAD to have this underwater fish screensaver that ONLY ran in Windows!).
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that is the one i got on there after spending hours of futile efforts trying to make the one she originally wanted run in Wine. it's much more basic than the one she wanted to use but it works natively.

BTW got my system back up, reinstalled and it works much better, got Rigs of Rods going, but still need to get FSX and STO going again. since the data was still accessible, i managed to copy it pretty easily.

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That's like a modern day equivalent of the old Soviet thing, where the secret police would keep a register of all the typewriters and their owners. So any dissident and/or illegal typed documents could be traced back to the typewriter's owner.
That's one extreme!

IIRC the FBI and other large law enforcement agencies kept large inventories of every typewriter that they could get their hands on, and compared samples to quickly (at least for back then) determine the make and model of a typewriter. Allegedly because no two typewriters were exactly alike, they had experts who could match a typed page to one specific typewriter, and have it stand up in court. That's why you'd see ransom notes and such made with letters cut from newspapers.

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IIRC it was built into the printer's ROM, and tied to its serial number. I think one of the articles mentioned dates and other data being included though. That would probably come from the driver.

My color printer isn't on the EFF list, and I use the generic Ghostscript drivers instead of the proprietary HP ones. I guess I'm in good shape.
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Doesn't Bill Gates run Ubuntu now?
I've long suspected that Gate$ secretly runs Linux as his real operating system, but, of course, I've had no way to prove it. It makes sense though! Just think, he must get as sick of all the crashes, viruses, and other crap that go hand in hand with using window$ as anyone else.
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IIRC the FBI and other large law enforcement agencies kept large inventories of every typewriter that they could get their hands on, and compared samples to quickly (at least for back then) determine the make and model of a typewriter. Allegedly because no two typewriters were exactly alike, they had experts who could match a typed page to one specific typewriter, and have it stand up in court. That's why you'd see ransom notes and such made with letters cut from newspapers.
I guess I always assumed that was a ploy to avoid having one's handwriting identified.

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IIRC it was built into the printer's ROM, and tied to its serial number. I think one of the articles mentioned dates and other data being included though. That would probably come from the driver.

My color printer isn't on the EFF list, and I use the generic Ghostscript drivers instead of the proprietary HP ones. I guess I'm in good shape.
I have an HP all-in-one printer, and I use the HP drivers. I guess I should do some experimenting with US currency to see what happens.
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I guess I always assumed that was a ploy to avoid having one's handwriting identified.
That too, but back in the day they could track a typed page back to the typewriter that made it, which is pretty cool...at least to a mystery junkie.

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Give it a shot! It's 100% legal as long as you enlarge or reduce the size of the copies.
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Hey, I own the entire collection of Agatha Christie mysteries!

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Oh...okay...I hadn't actually planned on doing any resizing.
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As I recall, all color copying machines over certain capacity had the yellow dots thing incorporated... it was implented specifically to combat Monetary counterfeiting.

In the US, you have to reduce or enlarge paper currency by something like ten percent when copying it for academic use, by law. Again, that is IIRC.
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I've got this:
antivirus - Problem after installion of NOD32 on xubuntu 12.04 - Ask Ubuntu


Is this answer right? I have Mint 14. I also threw out the download file.
I can't even back up with that command in the way

I did have Nod 32 working on Ubuntu 11.04. I only got it since I download for 2 offline XP
computers. What I do download are embroidery files. Every machine has its own format, but I can use any with my software. There are only one or two universal formats. This is pretty niche, but ir the digitizer is making money, I suppose even small potatoes are game. I will also download for a cutting machine. These files are usuall SVC and Inkster handles them, but the utility for the Cricut also won't run anywhere but windows

The other downloads are mainly Photoshop brushes and Adobe tutorials. There is a guy on one of the photo forums I use, he's been posting for years. If he wasn't reliable, someone would have said so. This is also niche. Anything else I can use Mint for. Designers Gallery will NOT run under Wine. There's barely a digitizing system for Macs. So I have no hope for Linux.

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HP printers are a PITA. I had one I kicked out the door, another Photosmart 7560 that I'm looking to get rid of. They want to call home and do everything their way. The old scanners did that, too.

I got an Epson 300, found the fix for it online, installed it and both simple scan and Xane recognize the scanner. Nothing had trouble with the Canon i6000. I had to dork around to get the HP laserjet to work, I'd had an older TOL Epson from the 90s. Ubuntu had no problem with it. It wore out last year.

On the old typewriters, there were differences by the ways the keys hit. Some letters and numbers were a tad off. Once the Selectric came out, that made all typing pretty uniform. You'd have to check a ball rather than the typewriter itself.

BTW, while it works, I don't think Linux is too crazy about my old IBM clicker keyboard.
Don't ask me to use a Windows key, I ain't got one. The clicker is the only keyboard that could withstand the heavyfisted kid. I had one with the F keys down the side, it was old when she got it, and it held her for 10 years.
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Not in my experience. In fact, I always specifically look for HP when shopping for another printer because they've ALWAYS just worked with Linux. Even the all-in-one I currently have works perfectly--with no software needed. It just works.

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I have no idea what you're talking about. Mine work perfectly and don't have any method of 'calling home.'

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Got FSX running again

Moody, perhaps Windows 8 is Gates' method to get people on Linux and off Windows? haha. however i don't think i'd like him commercializing it. you know he'd do just that.
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uh oh, new problem. i just walked away from my laptop for a second to use the bathroom. all that was open was Firefox with a webpage i was reading. came back to tons of text and at the bottom was:

Panic occurred, switching back to text console

tell me, please that this is not another bad omen! i've done nothing. haven't hacked any files, it was working fine and FAST all week long no problem at all! seems ok for the time being but now i'm worried. fsck reports nothing wrong this time
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HP will print tons of gibberish. I've had a big color laser do it at work.
We used Adobe Illustrator to do a lot of our brochures, etc, and HP just plain choked on it.

I also had an HP scanjet that fussed at me if I tried to scan at 300 DPI. It's none of the scanner's business. I need the pixels for what I'm doing.

I use Canon at home - I've stuck just about everything you can think of in a Canon printer, and it usually prints. If it can't, it says so. It doesn't print pages and pages of machine gibberish. I use XP, and if necessary, I can run the i6000 with the Canon 600 drivers which are built into XP.

So far, Canon also has not chipped the carts. HP screams if I use a different brand. I will use cheap ones for the printer attached to the sewing computer. I don't print much, but when I want to print, I want to print. Since it's embroidery diagrams and not a picture, no problem.

HP also does not like my printing preferences. I do them through either Qimage or Photoshop. HP thinks it should control what I want. I wound up with that Photoprinter since I didn't want an all in one.

I use an Epson scanner. Epson has the controls I want and just shuts up and scans my way. Even in Linux. I don't like the new ones as much as my old 1250.

The other reason for Adobe - at the time, it and Quark were the standards for print.
You could just barely bring in a DOC file to a printer. My boss was setting up a web site, and I was supposed to do the layout in the POS Publisher. You should have heard the webmaster scream. I convinced Boss to buy Illustrator, We had peace all around after that. Illustrator will edit Adobe PDF files.
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I can't even back up with that command in the way

I did have Nod 32 working on Ubuntu 11.04. I only got it since I download for 2 offline XP
computers. What I do download are embroidery files. Every machine has its own format, but I can use any with my software. There are only one or two universal formats. This is pretty niche, but ir the digitizer is making money, I suppose even small potatoes are game. I will also download for a cutting machine. These files are usuall SVC and Inkster handles them, but the utility for the Cricut also won't run anywhere but windows

The other downloads are mainly Photoshop brushes and Adobe tutorials. There is a guy on one of the photo forums I use, he's been posting for years. If he wasn't reliable, someone would have said so. This is also niche. Anything else I can use Mint for. Designers Gallery will NOT run under Wine. There's barely a digitizing system for Macs. So I have no hope for Linux.

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I simply force booted as it was frozen then. It has worked fine without problems last night and all day today. Odd...a glitch? Fluke? Haven't seen Kernel Panics since Red Hat 7.1 and that one was caused by swapping motherboards...

Did a system check though, 88% of the memory is free, no swap utilization (there but none of it used). And that was after playing FSX for a bit.

Is the 'panic occurred' message Linux's version of a BSoD? It was up and running then BAM! There it was. Just like a BSoD.
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I've never seen that.

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We used Adobe Illustrator to do a lot of our brochures, etc, and HP just plain choked on it.
So we're not talking Linux, correct?

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It's now in the garage, as I have an all-in-one that includes a scanner, but my standalone HP scanner worked just fine, including at 300 DPI. As does the HP Deskjet F4140 All-in-One Printer.

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Not on Linux, right? It doesn't do that to me, but I only use Linux.

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Because I had a top of the line Epson Scanner that worked far better that the junk that comes with the usual all in one. I use the advance settings. I don't fax. Why should I buy a swiss army knife when I need a single blade? I might just change to a dye sub printer. If I change printers, I don't need another scanner. I don't have to rebuy all the other equipment. I can change pieces and parts at will. I have a laser and an inkjet. I was doing a lot of newsletters at one time, plus a website/newsletter for a local non-profit. (I was a member and could do it free)

I control print through Photoshop. Canon just doesn't fuss. I set things the way we were taught in classes for print. It might not be necessary now, but I like having the full control. Canon never fussed. Even most of the people that were edging for high paying jobs in the design market were impressed with what the Canon could do.


They all used Macs, and only Epson printers. I was the only cross platform - 98SE and Canon.

My 1300 laserjet started to print gibberish the other day. I was using Mint at the time, and when I deleted the job, it deleted. Windows will sit there with the crap in the print queue telling you it is deleting. You have to reboot the computer.
Getting the stupid thing to work in Ubuntu originally was the pits. It wasn't CUPS, it was a different problem. The Canon just worked. The Canon printer also never printed gibberish. If there was an error, it would just say there was an error, and not waste ink/toner and paper. If Canon software could be that compatible, it had to be HP.
I did have an Epson printer at one time - even that never printed gibberish. Also had a Brother Laser that didn't print gibberish, either.

If you work in an office, you use what the office uses. Your boss makes the choice.

For the machine that runs Designers gallery, I see I can get a color ribbon for the old impact printer. You can still get the paper. I don't need anything fancy, just a color chart. I have a USB to LPT1 adapter.

I replaced the original scanner (it died after 15 years) with another Epson. (Canon never released a driver for one of its scanners). Not quite TOL, but has the same software. I didn't have to buy any more printers or faxes. It's also more waste when you need to dispose of them. You have a sheet of glass and other mechanisms to work the scanner.

I needed the stupid printer right away. The camera store wasn't open or I would have bought a Canon i9000. All this damn town sells are the cheap all in ones. Most HP use different carts to boot. Printer was a stopgap until I could order from B&H or Adorama and get MY CHOICE.

The printheads on inkjets wear out as ink is forced through hot. Eventually the holes enlarge. The old HP carts did include new print heads - that was an advantage.
The photo printer does not do this. There are no print heads on the carts, so no advantage.

It's like Android/Apple. I don't like HP. I don't like their philosophy of marketing.
Until someone comes up with a design suite like Adobe for Linux, I'll use Photoshop and Illustrator, plus Indesign. The plugins for all have to be compatible. I can use all PS plugins in Illustrator.
I can't use Inkster in Gimp. I can't hook Digikam to Gimp like Camera Raw to Photoshop. There is no pure printing program that will give me the specs of Qimage. No one really saves to DNG. PNG is usable.
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I was the boss. So I bought what I wanted!

Seriously, zuben, I've just never had any of the problems you're talking about. Not the gibberish printing, not the printheads wearing out, just none of it. Of course, I'm not doing the same things you're doing, or using the same software you're using.

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I have no idea what you're referring to--I never watch commercials (thank goodness for DVRs!) and I haven't seen any other type of ad from them. I buy HP not because of any advertising influence on me, but solely based on decades of personal experience.

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I can't use Inkster in Gimp. I can't hook Digikam to Gimp like Camera Raw to Photoshop. There is no pure printing program that will give me the specs of Qimage. No one really saves to DNG. PNG is usable.
I don't know what some of those programs are, nor do I have any experience using their plugins with GIMP or anything else. Why do you want to hook digiKam to GIMP? The GIMP has its own raw image handler. I've never heard of DNG files, but the GIMP does PNG files just fine. I make all my designs [for my web sites' products] using the GIMP, saving them as transparent PNGs.
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We got the salesmen and the stupid brochures all over the office. Did you ever sit and read all the promotional literature in the box? I read everything.

I happen to like the histograms and curves in Digikam. The lens adjustments work. I don't care for Gimp. I don't like the layout, the menus - Gimp just looks messy.
If something does not appeal to me aesthetically, forget it. I'll probably delete it.

Since it's my own setup and home, I can please myself. I like what I am using in Mint, but I'm not falling for the whole line of BS hook, line and sinker. That's exactly what Windows, Apple, Google, are trying to make you do. I'm a fanboy of what works the way I want it. I'd love to have a box that ran all OS so I could pick and choose what apps I want. Apple does have some interesting ones for a desktop. Chrome might have some. I also don't care if it's free - free might be all well and good for most people, but if it doesn't work for me, then free is no good. I've turned down crap I don't want or won (forum does random drawings, you don't enter) I hate hearing "IT'S FREE" Since I don't want it, I've left more for those who do, or the pigs that snag as much as possible because "IT'S FREE"

I'd have to keep an XP box anyway. There is no way that Linux runs any embroidery digitizing apps. I can design a quilt or wall hanging from my photos. I've digitized patches from photos or drawings. I have to convert them to vector anyway so the digitizing program will stitch right. Stitches use coordinates just like vector. And I'd have to keep windows software for converting whatever I want to digitize since that's what the digitizing programs use. I'm using Windows since it runs that software, and I want the software. I'm not running Windows for whatever it's normally advertised for.
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I really am not a fan of the layout in the gimp either, but that's because I used photoshop first. I hear there is a Gimpshop project, where they use the photoshop layout using GIMP. Ya might want to give that a go.
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Since it's my own setup and home, I can please myself. I like what I am using in Mint, but I'm not falling for the whole line of BS hook, line and sinker. That's exactly what Windows, Apple, Google, are trying to make you do. I'm a fanboy of what works the way I want it. I'd love to have a box that ran all OS so I could pick and choose what apps I want. Apple does have some interesting ones for a desktop. Chrome might have some. I also don't care if it's free - free might be all well and good for most people, but if it doesn't work for me, then free is no good. I've turned down crap I don't want or won (forum does random drawings, you don't enter) I hate hearing "IT'S FREE" Since I don't want it, I've left more for those who do, or the pigs that snag as much as possible because "IT'S FREE"

I'd have to keep an XP box anyway. There is no way that Linux runs any embroidery digitizing apps. I can design a quilt or wall hanging from my photos. I've digitized patches from photos or drawings. I have to convert them to vector anyway so the digitizing program will stitch right. Stitches use coordinates just like vector. And I'd have to keep windows software for converting whatever I want to digitize since that's what the digitizing programs use. I'm using Windows since it runs that software, and I want the software. I'm not running Windows for whatever it's normally advertised for.
I broke this into two quotes, but I don't really have a response to this part. :/
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I really am not a fan of the layout in the gimp either, but that's because I used photoshop first. I hear there is a Gimpshop project, where they use the photoshop layout using GIMP. Ya might want to give that a go.
When I first started using the GIMP (for serious work), I did NOT like its interface at all. It was like...all over the place! Bits and pieces all over my screen, and I hated it. However, I've adjusted mine so that everything now opens where I want and is sized how I want. Its look now is more like a one-window app, rather than a messy multi-window, all over the place app.

BTW, I tried GIMP's single-window version when it was first available, and it had too many bugs. It was more hassle than it was worth. So I reverted back to an older, multi-window version, but like I said it LOOKS neat and single-window-ish now. I haven't bothered trying later revisions of the single-window version because I'm so used to mine now it really isn't an issue.
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We got the salesmen and the stupid brochures all over the office. Did you ever sit and read all the promotional literature in the box? I read everything.
Ha! No, I don't have to deal with that crap any more.

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I happen to like the histograms and curves in Digikam. The lens adjustments work.
The GIMP has/does all of that, too.

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If something does not appeal to me aesthetically, forget it. I'll probably delete it.
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And I'm a fangirl of what works the way I want--luckily, Kubuntu Linux fills that need for me.

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I also don't care if it's free - free might be all well and good for most people, but if it doesn't work for me, then free is no good. I've turned down crap I don't want or won (forum does random drawings, you don't enter) I hate hearing "IT'S FREE" Since I don't want it, I've left more for those who do, or the pigs that snag as much as possible because "IT'S FREE"
Believe me, I understand. Although the software I use the most--KDE, SeaMonkey, the GIMP, among them--is free, I support them financially. For me, it's not that I want a FREE product, as in $$$, but a FREE product, as in no bullshit/strings/crap/bloatware/viruses/etc. attached. It makes me feel good that I get the high quality I expect because of dedicated programmers/developers who make this stuff available, and I reciprocate by supporting their projects financially.

BTW, regarding free things in general. I'm like you, just because something is free, if I don't want/like it, I don't care to have it. I remember winning two things back in the '80s from a radio station I always listened to, one was a pair of tickets to a Yes concert and the other a season pass to Six Flags Over Texas. You know what I did with both? GAVE THEM AWAY! I never was a Yes fan, and after going to SFOT twice, I knew I'd never want to go back.

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Only because there's no known need for such apps. If enough people voiced a need, I'm sure apps would start appearing.

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I don't really do anything with vector images, but I believe Inkscape works well for them.
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Inkscape doesn't save in the right formats. It does save vector, but not the right flavor for the Designer suite.
I have Inkscape on the Windows box for another program that prefers SVC. So I do use it. It isn't as polished as Adobe or the old Macromedia Freehand, but it does do the job.

While I don't care for MS in general, at least the machine language it uses has opened a lot of doors for very different apps. There were birding apps and lifelists, all kinds of crafting programs, embroidery programs. Recipe organizing programs. Small things that quite a few people will use. There are a lot of niche apps.


I see Android working with a lot of these now - the small guy can write and sell them.

There is starting to be a demand to shift some specialty apps to tablets. I see a lot of questions about running the apps on an Ipad. This is where open source and Android can lose out.

Information on any of these apps spreads by word of mouth on forums. The niche lovers (male and female) are quite good at doing it.

Palm had scads of useful special medical apps for doctors. They screamed bloody murder when Palm quit. Guess who picked up and redeveloped? Apple.

No one OS fills that need for me. I also like to see what is going on with new stuff whether I want it or not. It's mostly not, but I will look at the review or video before I decide it's crap.

Open source needs to wake up. I know a lot depends on licensing, but people are starting to use tablets more. One home security outfit lets you control your whole home through your phone or tablet. Right now, that's Android or Apple, but with Windows trying to standardize everything to run anywhere, Windows will be included.

I see Open Source trying to get games and succeeding. It might just be too little, too late. Open source looks like it might be realizing that not everyone is devoted to social sites, in business, or just wants to check email.
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Oh, I see.

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While I don't care for MS in general, at least the machine language it uses has opened a lot of doors for very different apps. There were birding apps and lifelists, all kinds of crafting programs, embroidery programs. Recipe organizing programs. Small things that quite a few people will use. There are a lot of niche apps.
Linux has [at least some of] those, too. There are recipe programs/organizers, book/library organizers, ham radio programs, small business management programs, etc.

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I'm guessing you're referring to ADT, right? I have ADT, so I can speak to this. Yes, I can control everything via their Android app on my phone, but I can also control everything simply by logging on via my web browser on any computer. No tablet required.

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I see Open Source trying to get games and succeeding. It might just be too little, too late. Open source looks like it might be realizing that not everyone is devoted to social sites, in business, or just wants to check email.
I keep seeing comments like this and they truly baffle me. I've used nothing but *nix for eons, and believe me I do WAY more than just check e-mail or use social sites. I do everything from play games to watch DVDs to create graphics for products to...you name it. I don't get where this gross misconception about Linux comes from.
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I keep seeing comments like this and they truly baffle me. I've used nothing but *nix for eons, and believe me I do WAY more than just check e-mail or use social sites. I do everything from play games to watch DVDs to create graphics for products to...you name it. I don't get where this gross misconception about Linux comes from.
My assumption is how it used to be. For me ten years ago, getting certain wireless drivers to worked involved this, that, some beer, and cussing. These days its more straightforward. Either install it...or use make, depmod -a, modprobe.

Linux has certainly come a log way, and can do...what....90% or so of all functions now? Give or take.
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My assumption is how it used to be. For me ten years ago, getting certain wireless drivers to worked involved this, that, some beer, and cussing. These days its more straightforward. Either install it...or use make, depmod -a, modprobe.
Yeah, I remember when some wireless cards--like the notorious Broadcom 43xx series, wouldn't work without some hard-core tweaking. I used to have to do the ndiswrapper workaround to get wireless working with Broadcom, but those days are long gone.

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See, this I have a problem with! Linux has always been able to do WAY more than window$. That's because of its UNIX heritage. Just like UNIX was to DOS as the space age was to the stone age, Linux is to window$. Linux is more powerful, more versatile, more secure, more stable, etc. Linux 'under the hood' can do things just with its built-in commands that window$ users can't even imagine. But I think what you're referring to is how Linux has evolved over the years, from its original very geek-oriented beginnings to its current 'even clueless computer illiterate people can use it.' I can't argue with that, but it bothers me when Linux is characterized as working on catching up with window$, when the truth is that micro$oft has ALWAYS stolen concepts from *nix...and then implemented them badly.
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By 90%, I mean there are a few games that WINE and Virtual Box will not work with.

Which I know, isn't the fault of Linux, but rather the makers of the software.

While Linux can do almost everything, there are sadly a few things that it cannot do. That is, until the developers realize how powerful and great Linux is
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It may be more powerful, but not in marketing. All the stuff advertised is Windows/Mac, Android/Apple/some Windows.

That's where your data goes - to sell more stuff. You don't believe it, I don't believe it but Joe Shmo from Idaho does, and he will back it up with his money. The companies that are pushing all this stuff will do almost anything to keep edge and profits. Merge, sue, whatever. Linux the OS is great and all you say - Linux as a marketable product does have catching up to do. I've never seen an ad saying anything like Linux is Cool or to make a young person want it.

Linux will have a hard time. If patent trolls smell money, even if wrong, they can tie up or hurt whomever they sued. Just looking at the list of who bought which company for what purpose and patents can make your head swim. I see Nokia wants Instagram also for socializing. I've been watching money and marketing trends for years. I don't like the way all this is heading. Makes it hard for open source.

Linux might have a music/video service like Google or Apple, but does it have the tunes the kids want? Can they put it on another device? Like DL on computer and switch to tablet or phone? If Sony has the rights, Sony can dictate where the songs go.

People want the crap. So the money will go with the crap. But some of us do have the right to run a certain OS for any reason. If I get torked with Google, I can shove all my books on a memory stick in PDA format, buy a dumb phone and use my Sony UX-50 Clie. I'll go back to using Astromist rather than Sky Safari.

BTW - some Linux groups don't want to hear from you if you can't write a script. So if it's an oddball problem, they have no interest, and too bad. If you search for answers, most are pre 2010 or the question wasn't deemed worthy of notice. That is also no way to win friends and influence people.
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