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Old April 15th, 2013, 09:05 PM   #551 (permalink)
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It may be more powerful, but not in marketing. All the stuff advertised is Windows/Mac, Android/Apple/some Windows.
That tends to be the thing with most open source products. No money!

That being said, Canonical is doing quite a bit. I've seen several computers for sale online with ubuntu pre-installed.
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I might be mistaken here, but I think a few open source projects have successfully defended their projects from companies ripping them off. Actually, there was an android emulator that was pulled from google play store and forced to release their source code because they were in violation of GPL (or some other similar licensing).
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Linux might have a music/video service like Google or Apple, but does it have the tunes the kids want? Can they put it on another device? Like DL on computer and switch to tablet or phone? If Sony has the rights, Sony can dictate where the songs go.

People want the crap. So the money will go with the crap. But some of us do have the right to run a certain OS for any reason. If I get torked with Google, I can shove all my books on a memory stick in PDA format, buy a dumb phone and use my Sony UX-50 Clie. I'll go back to using Astromist rather than Sky Safari.
In my experience, most linux users agree 100% with this. I don't think I've ever seen a linux user support DRM in music or media. And I believe a few different platforms for linux exists that sell DRM free music.

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Weird, I find linux users, forums, and IRC channels to be especially helpful.

I don't know, it's good that you're able to find something that works for you.
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Weird, I find linux users, forums, and IRC channels to be especially helpful.
Yep, that's LONG been my experience, too. From back in the very old days of only using Usenet and IRC, right up to the present time, I find *nix fora (that's a nod to our 'grammar nazi' thread ) to be filled with helpful, nice people.
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In my experience, most linux users agree 100% with this. I don't think I've ever seen a linux user support DRM in music or media. And I believe a few different platforms for linux exists that sell DRM free music.
Buying music shouldn't be a problem with a Linux OS, even Sony. The only exception I think would be the iTunes Store, because that requires proprietary software(unless you can make iTunes work on Wine). I'm pretty sure that no place sells DRM'd music at all now.

Buying movies and TV-shows on the other hand might be a problem, because AFAICT they're all DRM'd. Although we don't have that problem here in China with movies and TV-shows from the internet.
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My assumption is how it used to be. For me ten years ago, getting certain wireless drivers to worked involved this, that, some beer, and cussing. These days its more straightforward. Either install it...or use make, depmod -a, modprobe.
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I think it's important to remember that Linux in general and Linux distributions in particular were never intended to be a Windows clone. It's an operating system in and of its own right! Linux does 100% of what it's supposed to do.

Not being a Windows clone is NOT a handicap. OTOH, not being able to use a WIMP GUI that's a little different than the one that you're accustomed to is a major handicap! After all, Microsoft scrambles where everything is in Windows with every new release. Thank God we have an OS or two that doesn't hide everything to justify the price of a new edition!

I'm no fan of KDE4, but at least I can move between KDE3 and KDE4 with only minor headaches. (Do they really need to put .directory files everywhere? ) That's a breeze compared to going from Windows XP to Vista!

Give Linux, X.org and KDE (and GNOME etc.) the credit they're due. And notice how 2/3 of them aren't Linux...
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See, this I have a problem with! Linux has always been able to do WAY more than window$. That's because of its UNIX heritage. Just like UNIX was to DOS as the space age was to the stone age, Linux is to window$. Linux is more powerful, more versatile, more secure, more stable, etc. Linux 'under the hood' can do things just with its built-in commands that window$ users can't even imagine. But I think what you're referring to is how Linux has evolved over the years, from its original very geek-oriented beginnings to its current 'even clueless computer illiterate people can use it.' I can't argue with that, but it bothers me when Linux is characterized as working on catching up with window$, when the truth is that micro$oft has ALWAYS stolen concepts from *nix...and then implemented them badly.
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By 90%, I mean there are a few games that WINE and Virtual Box will not work with.

Which I know, isn't the fault of Linux, but rather the makers of the software.
Even that's not a fair comparison. WINE is not Linux. Linux is not for running Windows programs.

I don't see any complaints from people about not being able to Install Windows programs on their Android phones...so why pick on Linux when it's running a UI other than Android?
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My experience has been totally different. One Canon Lido scanner won't work even under WINE. Canon never released the drivers. That's fine by me, but it you search for WHY the damn scanner isn't working, the question comes up time and time again with no answer. The question will appear, and no one answers it. Fix it so the damn search engines find the answer, then.

Simple instructions to edit out that crap "this table is broken" that appears after your name in terminal if you don't fill out half the damn info.
I'm the only one on the computer, it shouldn't matter if I fill out the damn info or not.
I know it. None of the computer's business. I don't like to type all this info. I got into trouble in some spots for officially naming a 98 computer SH*THEAD. My personal computer, I can name it what I want.

I had a problem with Ubuntu not letting me use whatever it calls "safe mode"
It would NOT take the password that I put in when I installed Ubuntu. XP has never been passworded. I'm the only user - no one else in the family can stand my computers. I explained nicely to everyone - Ubuntu is NOT partitioned with XP. I have 2 hard drives. Ubuntu was allowed to format and overwrite a drive that had W2K on it. W2K was also never passworded. All I got was some stuff about Ubuntu being partitioned on the hard drive with XP. It isn't. It won't do me any good to mess with a partition on the XP drive. Ubuntu isn't there!

I asked a question here about removing something from Mint. The answer was for Ubuntu, and from 2010. No answer on this forum.

The first search bought up the question, the questioner said he tried to write such and such a script. He got a detailed answer. A later user with no such knowledge asked the same question. It's been ignored apparently since 2011.

I can run almost all the software I've found. I have no problem with it except whether or not it's what I want, and that's personal. However, if you buy a book for beginners, all they do is try to tell you how to get to your email and FB accounts.

If you buy a more advanced book, it assumes you want to code. I don't want to code, I just want to maintain if I have to.

About books. I think I have almost every damn Photoshop book in one version or another. What I noticed is that a lot of them don't freaking assume! Some will start out explaining to the complete novice, then advance him through the finer points.
They don't assume he just wants to stick pictures on FB, or become a total graphic designer. This is technical writing at its best. It covers the whole program. I'm using it for an example as I have the books and they prove that style of writing can be done. I've looked through B&N in town - (the library is a joke unless you like romances) and have not found a book for any Linux yet with this type of format. I'm not buying any book unless I can look through the whole thing first.

I've found a lot of the websites wind up like XDA. Very good if you have some knowledge and want more - not so good if you are a total beginner. I am also not joining every site just to see how they answer. You should be able to get a tone from the site without having to join. Join to post is just fine.
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... The question will appear, and no one answers it. Fix it so the damn search engines find the answer, then.

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I asked a question here about removing something from Mint. The answer was for Ubuntu, and from 2010. No answer on this forum.

The first search bought up the question, the questioner said he tried to write such and such a script. He got a detailed answer. A later user with no such knowledge asked the same question. It's been ignored apparently since 2011.

I can run almost all the software I've found. I have no problem with it except whether or not it's what I want, and that's personal. However, if you buy a book for beginners, all they do is try to tell you how to get to your email and FB accounts.

If you buy a more advanced book, it assumes you want to code. I don't want to code, I just want to maintain if I have to.

About books. I think I have almost every damn Photoshop book in one version or another. What I noticed is that a lot of them don't freaking assume! Some will start out explaining to the complete novice, then advance him through the finer points.
They don't assume he just wants to stick pictures on FB, or become a total graphic designer. This is technical writing at its best. It covers the whole program. I'm using it for an example as I have the books and they prove that style of writing can be done. I've looked through B&N in town - (the library is a joke unless you like romances) and have not found a book for any Linux yet with this type of format. I'm not buying any book unless I can look through the whole thing first.

I've found a lot of the websites wind up like XDA. Very good if you have some knowledge and want more - not so good if you are a total beginner. I am also not joining every site just to see how they answer. You should be able to get a tone from the site without having to join. Join to post is just fine.

You have several valid points here. One, really quick, is that Mint is an Ubuntu fork, which means that the Mint people took Ubuntu and 'fixed' it the way they thought it should be and there are enough people out there who prefer the fixed version. So oftentimes an answer for a Mint problem can be easily found in an Ubuntu answer for a similar (or identical) problem. To a limited extent, the same in regard to Debian, since Ubuntu (and therefore Mint) are based off Debian.

Having good search engine skills is an essential part of the computering experience. It's not limited to Ubuntu, or Linux... I have had quite a few problems over the years which only diligent searching, and many times serendipity, are the ways I could find a solution. There are also many problems I have identified where the only fix is one I invent myself. That is the way of the intermediate user.

And speaking of intermediate users, you are right-- *nix people often do not treat intermediates with the due respect they deserve. There are a numerous reasons for that, but the bottom line is that, with the exception of those sites dedicated to helping neophytes out (ex. Ubuntu Forums), the vast majority of *nix power users are programmers, who expect their forum members to have a certain level of knowledge or skill.

You have to know how to ask questions the 'right' way, which is to detail everything you have, what you have tried and the results of those. If you expect to be spoon-fed, then you will not get any answers out of them. Sometimes, you will find yourself answering your own thread. There are quite a few threads out there that I have created which are nothing more than me talking to myself about a problem until a troll comes along three years later to provide a fix for a problem I either gave up on or fixed in the thread already.

One huge difference between Open Source and Retail software development is that the Retail outfits (sometimes) hire people to translate the engineering into instructions that normal people can read. Add to that an industry of help literature to enable the average user to make the most of what they paid for. The non-Windows, Non-Apple side of the coin doesn't have that-- open source people often don't believe in making money by selling help books, it's a niche market, and those few who do can charge high prices due to lack of supply for that demand. There are too many options out there, too many variations on the theme; it's like trying to write a car repair manual for Chevy's and expecting the instructions for a Cavalier will somehow be the same for a Corvette.

Coders don't know English (for the most part, not even English-speaking coders... really, those guys need some editors), and they don't understand who their audience is, so their instructions are written either for other coders, or for simpletons.
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I realize Mint is a fork - it's the date. That reply was not current. It's 3 years old. I know Mint isn't as quick to pull the trigger as Ubuntu, but I think the question involved 13. Eset has also updated. I assume that all distros improve something between issues, or why update at all? I've tried some older commands, etc and got some really strange results. Most of the time, the OS can't load some library.

The biggest complaint was the 2 hard drives. Why wouldn't they believe 2 different drives? It's usually not done? I've had 2 since I got XP. XP doesn't and never did go online unless the tech was servicing. W2K did, and now Mint is taking W2K's place (personal business). 2K was the last Windows you could buy. Now you rent. The password question is now moot. It doesn't seem to be bothering Mint.

If any Linux wants to become a viable choice of OS, changes will have to be made, even it it's just a sticky with the 20 most common questions at the beginning of the forum. People don't always need a full hand hold, just a point in the right direction.

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I simply don't do anything in the Debian...?buntu...* family tree. You'll not get any answers from me because I have none for that branch.

12+ years ago the main difference between the leading Linux distributions was primarily 1.) BSD vs. SYSV init scripts, and 2.) the package manager. Back then I could easily support both init systems, but since Debian was the lunatic fringe of the Linux world with extremist views (the FreeBSD of Linux), I touched it once and never again. As a result, I don't do APT, period.

Now that Canonical has spent large sums of money in promoting its distro, and has reaped profits from monetizing it, I'm less inclined to support it over the distros that are still primarily community-based. I felt the same way back when I purchased Caldera, Red Hat and Mandrake/iva, BTW. Back then I expected three inches of printed manual to ship with my boxed disc set, or in the case of Mandriva, a whole lot of company-supplied info on the private Club website.

If Canonical et al. aren't supporting their customer base sufficiently, I wonder why people don't just go distro shopping, which is an ongoing part of the Linux experience IME. Re-evaluating and switching brands is a very normal thing outside of the computer software world, and used to be a big part of the computer software world until Apple and Microsoft instituted product lock-in programs, and their consumers complied like lambs being led to the slaughter.

On the whole I think it's a Good Thing that the range of Linux distributions is now so broad that Linux power users now tend to specialize in certain distro "families".
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Canonical's depending on Amazon. I didn't like the attitude either.

I haven't seen much besides technical in a search. I remember having to do a command line in Dos for everything. I don't think a lot of users today would want that. Canonical and I see Mint is doing it - themes, fancy screensavers, extra crap. (I use a plain grey screen) There has to be a good description of a middle ground somewhere. I want my menus on top. Easier for me to read and ignore the ribbon, bar or panel from the top. But I can find it when I want it. I want to find out HOW to put the menus on top if that's not the default.

I've been dealing with Windows drivers - crap. But when you have to research for days about which CUPS you need for a laser printer, find out your scanner isn't supported, a program doesn't like your video card and won't run (and doesn't tell you why - Stellarium did this to me), and no real help -

The only thing that HAS to work out of the box is Skype. That's our communication with kid in England. Maybe it's the only thing she can use over there on the PC. I can use Viber, the Vulcan can't. I've sat there for two days trying to figure out how to get the sound to work. No fun with no instructions. If Skype works, the the internet is, and I can at least attend to business until I figure the rest out.

But if you keep seeing stuff written like this, then make it true for a lot of people.
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I use both Linux (PCLOS with variouasly Enlightenment, LXDE, XFCE Des, and Windows 7/8 (8's OK once you install classic shell to get a start button back). Mainly Linux, but Windows when I need Word or Powerpoint, as some documents woth lots of graphics fall apart quite spectacularly in LibreOffice 4 (Even when created there and saved as .odt's. I now save everything as .docx so I can access it in Word2007 which DOES open the documents correctly. Linux is where I have Eclipse, Java Dev tools, Android dev tools, VirtualBox, VMWare, Visual Paradigm and all the good tech stuff. I'm in Linux around 80% of the time.
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Never quite understood the gripe of 'Windows 8 doesn't have a start button!' How many of those people have an Android or iOS tablet, which has, guess what? NO start button. But they don't complain then! Honestly maybe it has something to do with the years spent on Windows 3.1 back in the day but I was never married to the start button and often put my program icons on the desktop. It just seemed like too many steps to go into start--programs--all programs--flight simulator x--FSX when I could just double click. Heck the last time I had WinXP I had progman.exe running to simulate Win3.1 just to get rid of the unnecessary taskbar
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Never quite understood the gripe of 'Windows 8 doesn't have a start button!' How many of those people have an Android or iOS tablet, which has, guess what? NO start button. But they don't complain then! Honestly maybe it has something to do with the years spent on Windows 3.1 back in the day but I was never married to the start button and often put my program icons on the desktop. It just seemed like too many steps to go into start--programs--all programs--flight simulator x--FSX when I could just double click. Heck the last time I had WinXP I had progman.exe running to simulate Win3.1 just to get rid of the unnecessary taskbar
You know you posted in the Linux thread not the Windows 8 thread? Just letting you know.

You can find it here...windows 8
And we've actually been discussing Start menus, "Metro" etc.

FWIW, I'm sure many people just don't bother with the Start at all, they just have desktops full of icons for all their software, which is not too dissimilar to iOS or Android.
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I know that mike, someone once again mentioned Windows 8 lacking a start button and found a way to get it back a few posts up in this thread, so I responded to it. Honestly no gripe about 8 is as popular as the missing start button. One would expect they would never notice it and just do what they have been doing in Android and iOS for years.
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Does anyone still use an email client with Linux? I haven't really used one much, though I may install Thunderbird just in case.

Anyway, here's a new client, at least to me, and it sounds interesting. It is by the creator of Shotwell Photo Manager.

I'll have to check it out myself.

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I've used SeaMonkey since way before it was SeaMonkey! It used to be Netscape Communicator, then the Mozilla Suite, then SeaMonkey. Then SM was basically split in two, the browser became Firefox and the e-mail client became Thunderbird, and SM kind of got lost in the shuffle. Not for me! I love it, and its e-mail/newsgroup client does everything I've ever wanted, and then some. (SeaMonkey is still being developed.)

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Looks nice, but I'm so invested in SM I can't see switching. I do try other things from time to time just for the hell of it, but never seriously thinking about dumping SM.

Just wondering: If you don't really use an e-mail client...what do you use? Web mail?
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Yep, webmail only. At one point I was switching ISP providers, mostly doing dialup days, so I just decided to use webmail.
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I'm another webmail user.

Since I'm on different machines, IMAP looked like a godsend to me, but in practice it's a lot for even a high throughput Internet connection to handle. And since web technology has gotten so good, I've been happy to keep all my e-mail on "the cloud".

I used to use Kmail, and still like it very much.
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I'm another webmail user.

Since I'm on different machines, IMAP looked like a godsend to me, but in practice it's a lot for even a high throughput Internet connection to handle. And since web technology has gotten so good, I've been happy to keep all my e-mail on "the cloud".
Sorry, guys, but I'm firmly in the 'relying on cloud storage for ANYTHING is stupid' camp. My reasons--which I've probably written about before --include the obvious: no Internet connection, no access to your files; no electricity, no access to your files; the cloud server is hacked, no access to your files; etc. Not worth the risk to me. Please keep in mind that having lived in Tornado Alley (Dallas) for many years, I KNOW power and Internet outages! Way too well. Sucks. And, ironically, after moving back home to California, I had an almost three-week Internet outage a while back. I simply cannot imagine being unable to access my files--including my old mail--due to a power or Internet outage.

Even if you like the portability factor of using web mail, you can still use a real e-mail client, too. Just think of it the other way around from how I do. What I mean is, my e-mail client (SeaMonkey) is set to automatically check for and download mail every few minutes, NOT leaving copies on the server (Earthlink). You could do it the other way, letting your e-mail client download mail but choosing to leave the mail on the server.

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KMail is nice--it's one of the clients I've tried for the hell of it--but SM's e-mail/newsgroup client is so much better. It has every feature I could want, and then some I wouldn't have thought of!
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I don't do cloud storage, but I do use gmail.

I had the same problem:multiple machines from multiple locations, so i was an early hotmail adopter then a gmail adopter.

Frankly, it is fairly rare for me to need instant access to my email; and now, I can access it from my cell...
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Sorry, guys, but I'm firmly in the 'relying on cloud storage for ANYTHING is stupid' camp. My reasons--which I've probably written about before --include the obvious: no Internet connection, no access to your files; no electricity, no access to your files; the cloud server is hacked, no access to your files; etc. Not worth the risk to me. Please keep in mind that having lived in Tornado Alley (Dallas) for many years, I KNOW power and Internet outages! Way too well. Sucks. And, ironically, after moving back home to California, I had an almost three-week Internet outage a while back. I simply cannot imagine being unable to access my files--including my old mail--due to a power or Internet outage.

Even if you like the portability factor of using web mail, you can still use a real e-mail client, too. Just think of it the other way around from how I do. What I mean is, my e-mail client (SeaMonkey) is set to automatically check for and download mail every few minutes, NOT leaving copies on the server (Earthlink). You could do it the other way, letting your e-mail client download mail but choosing to leave the mail on the server.


KMail is nice--it's one of the clients I've tried for the hell of it--but SM's e-mail/newsgroup client is so much better. It has every feature I could want, and then some I wouldn't have thought of!
So now you're living in Earthquake Alley, huh? I'm living in Tornado Alley currently (Missouri), and one struck not too far from my area Tuesday. But we didn't have any power outages this time. I used to really like SeaMonkey suite also, but gave in to Firefox & Thunderbird.

I have used both, clients & webmail, but started using webmail more & more thanks to Linux in my early days of using it. I would pull email from the ISP but ended up reinstalling Linux. I've also had my ISP lose email, web storage files before also, along with switching ISPs often. It turned out best for me to use webmail, which helped me to be able to read my mail while at work. I wasn't able to setup my ISP on their computers.
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Does anyone still use an email client with Linux? I haven't really used one much, though I may install Thunderbird just in case.

Anyway, here's a new client, at least to me, and it sounds interesting. It is by the creator of Shotwell Photo Manager.

I'll have to check it out myself.

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Wow, I'm surprised Mageia have it in the repositories. I thought I was going to have to install it from source. I did a check and it's there. I just installed it and will use it with Gmail.

Alot of software Mageia doesn't have in the repositories you would think they should have. Since they're getting ready for the final release next month, I'm pretty busy helping with finding bugs.
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Neither do I. I keep email in the cloud, just for convenience of been able to access it on any device. But I've also got it in Thunderbird as well on my PCs.
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I've always had multiple machines, but I access my mail from all of them. Locally.

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Get back with me after you've had an Internet outage for a few days...or weeks. Okay?
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Yep--but I grew up here, so I'm good! It was the tornadoes in the Dallas area I never got used to. Well, that and ice...

You know what's funny? My mom, who was a New Joisey transplant to CA and lived here from age 16 to her death last month at 89--HATED earthquakes. I mean hated them. She was high strung already, but throw an earthquake into the equation and she'd be off the charts.

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The closest I can recall in Dallas was one that flattened an entire block a mile from my house. There's something about the absolute unpredictability of tornadoes that really got to me. I mean, you could watch the weather reports and see the different colors representing thunderstorm warning, tornado watch, etc., and you could see where heavy rainfall was AT THAT MOMENT, but since a tornado can form abruptly, and can hop and skip--flattening one house but leaving the one next door untouched--they're just really scary.

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You're lucky! I dreaded being without power more than anything else. Especially since so many really bad storms happened in the evening. There's just nothing like sitting in a hot, dark, humid house...with candles lit.

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You've lost me. What did reinstalling Linux have to do with your e-mail? Oh, did you not put your data on its own partition?

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I see. But you could (and in my opinion, SHOULD) still do what I said before, use both a real e-mail client and web mail. Best of both worlds.
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I haven't used an email program since Eudora. The olde pop3 stuff is obsolete in today's world of email services from Google and Yahoo!. The closest I get is the apps from those two services, although Yahoo! decided to delete access my account due to it 'being compromised' (lies, I actually logged in with my iPhone and they thought someone hijacked it as it was logged in on two different devices with two different IP Addresses so it appeared that way but they lack tech support for 'free' email so I cannot even tell them that so forget them) Google pulled a similar stunt but it was fixed by simply logging in and telling them it was me via radio buttons.
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I use gmail, too, but only because it was necessary when I started using an Android phone. But my e-mail client handles my gmail mail, too; I NEVER log in and actually use gmail.


I've always had multiple machines, but I access my mail from all of them. Locally.


Get back with me after you've had an Internet outage for a few days...or weeks. Okay?
Actually, I go for vacation for a week at a time and I have no internet.

However, should I need to, I can and do access gmail on my cell. Gmail also pulls from my POP3 accounts...

Also, I suffered a DSL problem for a few weeks, which I believe I griped about in these forums. Again, I accessed my email by phone when necessary.

My point is: your method works for you and my method works for me and neither is better than the other.
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Actually, I go for vacation for a week at a time and I have no internet.
That's by choice! The Internet outages I've had were definitely not by choice, therefore I wasn't able to prepare [mentally or any other way] for the lack of connectivity.

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Also, I suffered a DSL problem for a few weeks, which I believe I griped about in these forums. Again, I accessed my email by phone when necessary.
I actually forget that other people can do things like read mail on their smartphones. I can't, not easily anyway. Following my brain surgery my eyesight degraded dramatically. Reading on my phone is an exercise in futility. Plus, I also forget that other people get SIGNALS on their phones. I don't. Thanks, AT&T! I get zero bars at home, so without my Internet connection I'm dead in the water.

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Well, the stubbornness in me says otherwise. I can't see how having files always and forever available is a bad thing. Immune to outages, immune to DDoS attacks, immune to hacking, immune to companies going out of business, immune to...whatever. Just makes sense that having your own files available locally is a good thing. If you disagree, that's fine. Whatever works for you is what you should do. Really.
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I use Dropbox to back up my apk files on my Android devices to not only save storage space but also to avoid going to the Play Store (which i hate and won't use if you paid me) if I ever need to download the app again if I deleted it or flashed a new ROM, but that is the extent of my cloud storage, however my iPad backs up game saves which is nice so should I get a new device I don't have to start over from level one again!
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My kubuntu keeps alerting me to a distro upgrade being available. What are the drawbacks (if any) of not upgrading, and, if i choose to upgrade, what are the chances that my programs (specifically games that took great lengths to run in Wine) will stop working/get wiped?
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I suddenly have this Backup program popping up every time I log into Ubuntu, and I can't be bothered to come up with a new backup password... it doesn't like the idea of creating a backup that isn't password protected.

WTF did this thing come from, and what hell can I send it to?

... meh, I'll probably get bored, knuckle down and create a password for it eventually.
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Last time I upgraded through the Update button like that, I [screwed] up the entire install.

If you want to upgrade, then I recommend setting aside a partition or two on your hard drive and install the new Distro fresh, then transfer everything over (or install fresh).
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I suppose the adage, 'if it aint broke, don't fix it' would apply in my case, though, if enough stuck to that, we would still be running Android Cupcake
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Not necessarily. There are many reasons to upgrade-- portability (that is, the ability to move to a newer platform with more capability), improved utility, and learning opportunity to name a few.
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If you installed it the preferred way, i.e., with your personal data on a separate partition from the OS, you should have nothing whatsoever to worry about--even if you do a fresh install and format the root partition. But as far as doing the version upgrade [which you're being prompted to do], only do it if you want to. I almost never do version upgrades, just as a matter of personal preference. On the rare occasions when I do upgrade, I usually do clean installs, including wiping root. I did recently step through version upgrades on one of my laptops, going from Kubuntu 11.04 to 12.04, and it was basically painless except for a few things that needed tweaking. Nothing major, though.

If you're happy with your current version, leave well enough alone. If the nagging upgrade reminder bothers you, you can shut it off.
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WTF did this thing come from, and what hell can I send it to?
I have no idea where it came from, as I've never seen anything like that myself. You must have installed and/or enabled SOMETHING that triggered this. What's shown when this thing pops up? What does it say? Is there a program name shown?

As with ALL things Linux, you are in total control of everything on your computer. As for this issue, it's simply a matter of figuring out what it is/where it's coming from and then making it go away.
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@Dngrsone - next time that backup program starts up, open a terminal and run ps aux | less
that will print out all running processes. You should be able to find it in that list. Or, an easy way would be to run that command twice. The first time output the info to a file (nobackup.txt) and then again with the backup running and compare the files. You'll probably have to manually compare the files because a lot of the data will be different on those two files... but that should point you in the right direction.
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Could be the uber annoying KDE Wallet thing. Mine did that too wanting passwords for everything and not root passwords, just any passwords as if i am so paranoid that i would need a password just in case someone decided to change my clock!
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Could be the uber annoying KDE Wallet thing. Mine did that too wanting passwords for everything and not root passwords, just any passwords as if i am so paranoid that i would need a password just in case someone decided to change my clock!
Haha, sounds like Vista! "You are checking your clock, cancel of confirm" LOL
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Haha, sounds like Vista! "You are checking your clock, cancel of confirm" LOL
LOL yeh... you shouldn't need a password or to confirm anything just to look at the clock. However a password might be required to alter the time though, which is an admin type thing. In a corporate setting they might not want the employees changing the time on company PCs.

BTW myself, I like to see two clocks, one showing Beijing time(CST) and one showing London time.
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Well unlike UAC KDE wanted to set a password for everything as I used it. Connect to wifi? Set a password. Change the system time? Set a password. Thank goodness I turned that off
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