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Old August 23rd, 2013, 09:13 AM   #801 (permalink)
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sudo mkdir /opt

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I've typed in cd Downloads. Says no such folder. I'll try it the way you listed it.

Whatever is causing that is probably the whole problem.

I simply must have something on my system that makes Ubuntu run weird.

I either get no such folder, or you don't have permission.

I don't have the opt folder anywhere and can't create it. I've opened and looked through every folder listed and don't see it. I got the path Sys>users>local from a few answers. OPT ain't in that folder.
Or how to create the damn folder? Full path please.

@palmtree - I get as far as using the opt folder, terminal says it doesn't exist (it doesn't) goodbye and stops.

It's funny - the TAR.BZ2 for the older FX ESR which updated wrong worked.
I extracted to the downloads, clicked on the FX icon and it ran, albeit the wrong version.

I got the files for Skype and the Epson Photo V300 to work via terminal. FX ESR worked on Mint and 10.10 just the way you described.

BTW, what's the number sign mean? Enter? I've used>
zuben, you're doing this the hard way! Please just give us a link to an actual file that you want to install, tell us where you want to install it, and we'll go from there.

I can see from the things you're saying that the real problem is a lack of experience with, and knowledge about, Linux on your part. That's not a bad thing, at all. As I said earlier, we ALL have to start somewhere. It's just that what's happening is you're getting yourself more and more confused because certain things we're saying aren't matching up with the way your [personal] file system is laid out. Like the downloads directory. *I* never, ever, ever set up users to have their own ~/downloads or ~/Downloads directory. So those never exist on computers I set up. But they *DO* have a downloads location! As I've said, mine go in /data/downloads; I always partition my hard drive as follows:

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So my downloads directory is in /data. YOURS could be anywhere or nowhere, depending on how you're set up. ANY directory [that you have write access to] can accept downloads--there's nothing magical about the name downloads. All we need to do is figure out where YOUR downloads are going--and that's easy! I promise.

BTW, the "number sign" (actually "pound sign") is the $PS1 for root. Regular users' prompts are typically a $, while root's prompt is typically #. As with all things *nix, this can be changed, but that's sort of the de facto standard.
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*I* never, ever, ever set up users to have their own ~/downloads or ~/Downloads directory. So those never exist on computers I set up. But they *DO* have a downloads location! As I've said, mine go in /data/downloads
Why? My downloads directory is currently at ~/Downloads but most of the files there get moved anyway
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*I* never, ever, ever set up users to have their own ~/downloads or ~/Downloads directory. So those never exist on computers I set up. But they *DO* have a downloads location! As I've said, mine go in /data/downloads
Why? My downloads directory is currently at ~/Downloads but most of the files there get moved anyway
For global access. Any user can access files in /data/downloads. Any user can also choose NOT to download there, for example if they're downloading something they wouldn't want others to have access to. But since most downloads are things like software packages, updates, etc., it makes sense to let all users easily access them.
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For global access. Any user can access files in /data/downloads. Any user can also choose NOT to download there, for example if they're downloading something they wouldn't want others to have access to. But since most downloads are things like software packages, updates, etc., it makes sense to let all users easily access them.
Makes perfect sense
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OK, I finally got it. Capitalization bit me. I got in the right folder, finally. I didn't extract FX since it already was.

Installing and Maintaining Firefox ESR in Ubuntu / Linux *-*TuxGarage Close to the Mozilla page.

I finally found some opt files but they were /, /etc, and /var. Just says location file system, no folder. The one marked / is root, but doesn't have a padlock on the folder.

This is the line I can't do
sudo tar -xvjf firefox-10.0.2.tar.bz2 -C /opt - nor will it let me drag or copy and paste. I tried to change this to 17.0.8 and got 10.0.2 anyway.

Found this as to why ESR isn't readily available. There are plenty of us users both Win and Mac that simply don't like the fast release of FX. FX is trying to add social sites and other goodies for those too lazy to learn how to get there via bookmark. To get rid of the crap, you have to find all the files and change them in about:config which is a pain in the butt. ESR is for organizations that only need the security updates, not the damn social. Since FX is trying to compete with Chrome, there seems to be a new version in beta before the previous version is available for download. The bugs aren't always fixed, either.

12.04 - Why is a LTS release not using the Extended Support Version of Thunderbird? - Ask Ubuntu (i'm having the same problem with Tbird.)

I have to check things out for myself to see if I understand the nuances and processes before I blindly type something in. I do this with the phone, too. I apologize if it makes me a PITA.

Once I get this straightened out I intend to print it out and stick it in the Hacks book.
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OK, I'm reading both Moody and Palmtrees previous posts. In some cases Downloads is capitalized, and in others not. Mine seemed to want a capital D. What's the rule on this, please.

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A UNIX White Paper from about 15 years ago defined the opt structure as the preferred installation strategy to try to straighten out the discrepancies between common practices for BSD vs. ATT UNIX.

I've only seen it enforced in HP-UX, but I haven't seen everything.

opt stands for optional - any software not in the original distribution.

/etc (pronounced ET see) is where configuration data belongs.

/var is the machine-specific area for data, variably sized and mounted by sysadmin.

Therefore, on a well-behaved, conforming software package named, for example only, XYZ, we get the following directories -

/opt/XYZ - the XYZ software

/etc/opt/XYZ - all configuration/setup data for XYZ

/var/opt/XYZ - data generated by running XYZ

On a BSD system, /opt is the same as /usr/local/bin (bin is pronounced bine, as in binary, and not pronounced like a vegetable bin).

There, some info for its own sake, hope it serves.
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What about capitalization?
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What about capitalization?
All unix variants are case sensitive.

Usually commands, whether built-in or added on, are lowercase to save on typing complexity.

Software package names and their corresponding directories may be mixed case to reflect the product or vendor identity.
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I didn't set up any directories. Downloads folder was in the home directory, so I used it.
Seemed like a logical place to put stuff rather than the generic My Documents folder where Windows sticks everything. I did create a downloads folder on Windows.

Then why didn't downloads work on the command until I used D instead of d?
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Files and folders are case sensitive (i.e. downloads is not the same as Downloads)
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I didn't set up any directories. Downloads folder was in the home directory, so I used it.
Seemed like a logical place to put stuff rather than the generic My Documents folder where Windows sticks everything. I did create a downloads folder on Windows.

Then why didn't downloads work on the command until I used D instead of d?
The standard environment variable describing the full path of your home directory is HOME. We access it by using the $ sign, that's the dereferencing operator. I can get to it or use it saying $HOME - or depending on the command, just saying ~ as mentioned earlier.

On my very plain vanilla Ubuntu 12.04, Firefox downloads by default to -

$HOME/Downloads

Unlike Windows, you can have a two subdirectories in the same place, one named downloads and the other named Downloads - they'll be as different as a dog and a cat because the os is case sensitive.

Does that answer it? I don't want to answer at cross purposes to the real question, let me know.

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This is why Linux is viewed with awe and suspicion: too many ways to do the same thing.

I can go to the same location on disk in several different ways--

~/Downloads
/home/dngrsone/Downloads
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This is why Linux is viewed with awe and suspicion: too many ways to do the same thing.

I can go to the same location on disk in several different ways-- ~/Downloads /home/dngrsone/Downloads $HOME/Downloads
There's no place like:
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and, for good measure:
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and, for good measure:
127.0.0.1


Actually 127.0.0.1 isn't the same as the other 4...
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Actually 127.0.0.1 isn't the same as the other 4...
I know. That's why it's separate.

(The idea is to say it as 'home'--"there's no place like...")
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I know. That's why it's separate.

(The idea is to say it as 'home'--"there's no place like...")
I know
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The standard environment variable describing the full path of your home directory is HOME. We access it by using the $ sign, that's the dereferencing operator. I can get to it or use it saying $HOME - or depending on the command, just saying ~ as mentioned earlier.

On my very plain vanilla Ubuntu 12.04, Firefox downloads by default to -

$HOME/Downloads

Unlike Windows, you can have a two subdirectories in the same place, one named downloads and the other named Downloads - they'll be as different as a dog and a cat because the os is case sensitive.

Does that answer it? I don't want to answer at cross purposes to the real question, let me know.

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That was the confusion. I'd use (expletive deleted) to get around that in Windows. That's where my downloads go. I got confused with one of Moody's posts about not letting a user set up some kind of download file.

Now if someone can help me fix that damn Opt file business so I can get ESR in. That's the last 2 problems. Then I can just leave stuff alone. I'll have the Vulcan mess with the speaker hardware. He can test it elsewhere.

What is the difference in where a file runs? The older FX you could use the icon in the downloads folder and make a shortcut. Clicking on FX 17 icon does nothing in extracted file. Why would putting it elsewhere make it run?
Does sticking it in the Opt file give it permission to run?

I've gotten used to using Ubuntu for the secure stuff I need, rather than the 7 laptop.
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Try this:

Open up a terminal and cd to the directory where the files were extracted to

then type "ls -l" (without quotes) and post the output here
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Directories have access permissions, similar but not identical to file permissions.

If you want something to be available for all users, you don't want it in your home directory or under it.

Anyway - what palmtree5 said, I'm just chiming in.
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That was the confusion. I'd use (expletive deleted) to get around that in Windows. That's where my downloads go. I got confused with one of Moody's posts about not letting a user set up some kind of download file.
I don't recall saying anything like that. Would you mind pointing me to where that was?

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As I've said [a few times], the solution has been provided but, for whatever reason(s), you're choosing not to do it. *shrug*
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Well, with a little help from Rod Smith, I managed to get rEFInd to boot directly into Mint with Secure Boot enabled.

I moved a copy of my vmlinuz and related files to the /boot/efi/EFI/linuxmint folder and then digitally signed the vmlinuz file using OpenSSL as instructed here.

Then rEFInd can boot directly into Mint, bypassing grub and its attendant problems .
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Not exactly Linux related, but this doesn't need a thread of its own: MY OLD LAPTOP IS DYING!!

Yep, my HP dv6000, which is almost 7 years old, is running hotter than hot. Like in scorching my hand hot.

I've done absolutely no troubleshooting yet and, frankly, I'm not sure I'm going to. I don't really feel like repairing it, but I don't want to just toss it either, I mean if it's still salvageable. So I don't know. I guess I could take it apart and see what's what.

It's purely an extra laptop, so its demise won't be the end of the world. I resurrected it by putting Bodhi Linux on it, and I'm not kidding that sucker flies! It's fast. You'd never know it's seven years old.

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If it's the battery, unplug it without delay and power it down.

Seriously. Don't play around with an overheating battery. It's dangerous.
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Seriously. Don't play around with an overheating battery. It's dangerous.
Thanks, EM. It's been powered down for two days...while I've been contemplating what to do next. The battery in it died years ago. (I have the nasty--and ongoing--habit of killing batteries by never unplugging my laptops. ) I'm thinking it's a fan issue, but I really just don't feel like dealing with it.

I'm doing that 'pros vs cons' thing in my head: it's 7 years old, I use it, it's not worth the bother, but I do like it, I can live without it, but it's nice to have, it's not worth the expense of fixing it, but what if it's just a fan? And so on.
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Have you ever blown the dust out of it? It may be a simple solution to the problem.

I live in a high dust area, so I make a habit of blowing out my laptop monthly with low pressure air at work.

Of course, you may be right, and the fan is on its last legs, or already dead. Or it could be a dying battery or the hard drive heating up. Depends on where in the laptop the heat is coming from.

On HP laptops, when the fan goes, I usually find out when the graphics go bananas.
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Me, too...well, a high FUR area--courtesy of my six cats!

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Good idea. I'll give that a try when (if?) I open it up.

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Of course, you may be right, and the fan is on its last legs, or already dead. Or it could be a dying battery or the hard drive heating up. Depends on where in the laptop the heat is coming from.
The heat seems to be centered in the front, left part of the laptop, i.e., to my left of the touchpad. And it's HOT.

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IIRC, all but one of my laptops have been HP, and I've never actually had a fan die in any of them. The graphics on the laptop in question are fine, as of the last time I checked (two days ago).
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Just blow through the vents, both ways. That'll at least get the chunks out.

On my G72, the left front is where the hard drive resides. Same with the DV2000. There might not be anything you can do about that... since you are running Linux, it likely doesn't need defragmenting.

You could try a different drive, of course, but I have doubts as to whether this will really fix things for you.
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The hard drive is less than two years old. I replaced it when the previous one died, and then used the clean canvas to try a bunch of [other] Linux distros. I settled on Bodhi, which is very lightweight yet lovely to look at, and it brought that laptop back to life. If it's the hard drive dying, I'll be very surprised, considering its relative newness. I think that would be a record for me! And it hardly gets any use--the laptop I'm typing this on is my REAL laptop; that one is just for middle of the night puttering around when I'm wide awake [thank you wonderful insomnia... *sigh*].

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Well, hard drives generally don't exhibit incipient failure by heating up... they just get hot through use.

I didn't like the G72 because there was nothing, really between the hard drive and my leg, so I often had to get a small table or something to hold the machine off my lap, proper.
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Actually it can be sign that a hard drive might be about to die is running abnormally hot. I've actually had that happen as well. Hard drive was literally running too hot to touch it, and then next day it started clicking. And another had two identical drives, one drive was running noticeably hotter, and eventually it did start giving read errors.
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Actually it can be sign that a hard drive might be about to die is running abnormally hot. I've actually had that happen as well. Hard drive was literally running too hot to touch it, and then next day it started clicking. And another had two identical drives, one drive was running noticeably hotter, and eventually it did start giving read errors.
I stand corrected, then.

... now that I think about it, I had problems with a particular series of drive in my HP laptop... I believe it was the Scorpio Blue series (Western Digital?). Anyway, the first drive failed, got it replaced under warranty, then the second on went almost immediately, and when the third drive went, I said to heel with it, took the loss and replaced the drive with a different manufacturer.

... maybe it was Seagate...

Yeah that third failure took out not only the laptop drive, but also my portable backup... I lost a year's worth of personal data in that one.
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Interesting--in a scary sort of way. I'm as sure as I can be without taking the time to look that I put a Western Digital drive in there when the old one died. I have no recollection at all of what brand the old drive was, but it may have been WD as well. But "Scorpio Blue" doesn't ring a bell for me. I do recall that I wanted to put a 500GB drive in that laptop, but 320GB was the biggest it could take so I went with that.

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... maybe it was Seagate...

Yeah that third failure took out not only the laptop drive, but also my portable backup... I lost a year's worth of personal data in that one.
OUCH! That hurts...
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Yeah, that's when I gave up on my boycotting the "cloud" completely and pushed some of the less personal but still important stuff to the web as insurance.

... and bought a networked 2TB drive for everything else.
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Yeah, I have nothing against 'the cloud' as a means of ADDITIONAL safety, I'm just not in the 'store everything in the cloud!' camp. I've believed in, and used, off-site storage for as long as I've been involved in computing. Back in the day, that meant physically taking backup disks home with me from work--one copy stayed at work, one copy went home. So if the store burned down, at the very least we'd still have our data!
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Yeah, cloud only is probably a bad idea
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If I want some advice on which distro to go for, is this the right place to ask?
(yes, I'm getting serious about moving/dual booting now)
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Yay!

Okay, I'll state right off I'm extremely biased--I'm a Kubuntu lover through and through. It's Ubuntu, but with KDE as its desktop environment. If you install Kubuntu, you can also have Ubuntu--with its GNOME or Unity or whatever desktop environments they have now--and switch freely between them. And vice versa. You can install Ubuntu and then add the Kubuntu components, or install Ubuntu and add the KDE components. (This is Linux--so there are always MANY choices and MANY ways of doing things.)

I'm also a big fan of Bodhi Linux. It's very lightweight but not crippled; its desktop environment is Enlightenment but, as with all things *nix, you can install whatever you like. Bodhi is a great choice for older and/or not very powerful hardware.

Finally, keep in mind that you can download the ISO files for any distributions you're interested in, and then boot up from those files. This will not in any way affect your hard drive. You can explore each distro and get a feel for which you prefer, THEN if you decide to commit to one you can choose its install option. Only then will you need to deal with your hard drive and how to partition it. If/when you get to that point, if you need help just post!
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Personally, I use Arch but that's probably not a good idea if you've never used Linux in your life as there is a lot of configuring to do (no GUI by default)
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A *buntu variant is among the easiest ways to transition into Linux from Windows.

I've used straight-up Ubuntu for years, but have since moved to Mint, which is based off Ubuntu.
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Alright, I'll have a look then.
I currently have Ubuntu on a DVD to help root my phone and I've already had a quick go.
Considering it was running off a slow DVD, it was very quick! And I found its pretty similar to OSX (and I've been using a mac for the last week, so it didn't feel too strange)
I'll come back after some more playing about on that DVD and after a look at the kde stuff :-P
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Linux Magazine used to make a "Six-pack" DVD which had the major flavors of Ubuntu on it-- Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Xubuntu, Mythbuntu, and Ubuntu Rescue... but the last issue they did, as far as I know was Natty-- 11.10.

Ubuntu is 13.04 currently. It could be that 12.04 and up were too massive to fit several versions onto a DVD... or maybe no one was interested.

Anyway, I thought was a nice way to play with the different desktops without messing around with a bunch of CDs.
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Linux Magazine used to make a "Six-pack" DVD which had the major flavors of Ubuntu on it-- Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Xubuntu, Mythbuntu, and Ubuntu Rescue... but the last issue they did, as far as I know was Natty-- 11.10.

Ubuntu is 13.04 currently. It could be that 12.04 and up were too massive to fit several versions onto a DVD... or maybe no one was interested.

Anyway, I thought was a nice way to play with the different desktops without messing around with a bunch of CDs.
I haven't used a CD for any Linux Distro. Everything is USB.
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Okay, so this is weird. The 'hot' laptop had a nice rest (several days shutdown/unplugged), and when I fired it up last night it was fine. (The hot spot was definitely where the hard drive is. I finally worked up enough enthusiasm to at least determine that!) It's been running since, and it's still fine. I should say "fine" because we don't really know yet if it is fine.
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Well, at least it is still usable.

Quick question, off the slightly more stupid variety, because I should know the answer... I have the ability to tether my laptop to my phone, but I have to issue a terminal command in order to do so. What I would like to do its create a launcher that will issue the appropriate CLI command and then bring up a Firefox window with the "tether" profile.

I figure this would be best done with a short bash script, something along the lines of this:

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I can't for the life of me remember how to terminate this sniper of code...
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Well, at least it is still usable.
So far, so good!

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I have the ability to tether my laptop to my phone, but I have to issue a terminal command in order to do so. What I would like to do its create a launcher that will issue the appropriate CLI command and then bring up a Firefox window with the "tether" profile.

I figure this would be best done with a short bash script, something along the lines of this:

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I can't for the life of me remember how to terminate this sniper of code...
You don't really need to terminate it, because once you close FF it'll terminate on its own. (Note that I'm doing this on almost no sleep...so if I'm missing something, let me know!)

Also, be sure you have the first line correct; it should be:

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Thanks. I thought the Firefox part would not be a problem, but what about terminating the klink and exiting the script?
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Ctrl-C maybe?
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