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Old September 29th, 2013, 02:09 PM   #1051 (permalink)
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Your possibly thinking of a post I made but I generally prefer the KDE apps to their Gnome counterparts which can seem to me to be more basic.
That sounds very likely. Thanks. And, yes, I agree that G apps seem more basic, but they also LOOK old, outdated.

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On that one, I prefer the Yast partitioner in OpenSuse to gParted. I don't know what the Kde one is.
That makes two of us! I just looked in my menu--it's KDE Partition Manager.
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Thanks. I'm not sure that I've seen that one before. It's not part of the default OpenSuse KDE installation. At a quick look, I'd choose GParted (which in all fairness is pretty good, - I just like the Yast one better).
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Hello from Kubuntu!

First impressions are that, although it is more like Windows, I think I prefer Ubuntu (but I'll assume that there's a tonne of themeing that can be done)

I'm happy that I've at least got Chrome, but the only thing that will stop me from only using Linux is that so many programs and so much software is available (is this what it's like on WP8 :P? ) Most of it I could live without (like fan controller, mouse profiles etc) but I'm still on for a dual boot maybe
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Speaking of mouse stuff, I've noticed they've added the ability for Ubuntu 13.10 to estimate the remaining charge left in the AA-battery powering my USB wireless mouse. So cool.
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Maybe it's just me, but I kind off wish there a few more/better bluetooth mice out there.

Sure, it's a bit redundant, but I would much rather have my wireless mouse connect to a built-in transmitter on my laptop than have to plug a transmitter into one of my few USB ports.

One of these days, I am going to buy a cheap BT mouse and see if I can hack its transceiver into my Logitech 9-button mouse.
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No. There are MANY TONS! Seriously, you could do nothing for the next week but tweak your appearance options--and remember you can have different everything per desktop (widgets, wallpaper, etc.)--and still not be 'done' (whatever that is!). In case you don't know, you can add MORE theme-related stuff from within system settings; look for buttons like 'install new themes' or 'install new schemes.'

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Spend some time perusing the THOUSANDS of programs, widgets, apps, tweaks, system tools, etc., that are available. Fire up Synaptic and start browsing. Choose 'add widgets' on your taskbar or desktop and browse. I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised.
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In case you don't know, you can add MORE theme-related stuff from within system settings; look for buttons like 'install new themes' or 'install new schemes.'
*Waits for the inevitable "Is there a Star Trek LCARS theme?" question since most threads end up having Star Trek references*
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*Waits for the inevitable "Is there a Star Trek LCARS theme?" question since most threads end up having Star Trek references*
Been there, done that. At least when in came to Win 8 (yes), and now that you mention it, yes, KDE has one too.

I wonder how well it works with a touch screen...
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When you first install KDE or Kubuntu, you are looking at what appears to be a dated Windows 95 desktop, start menu, system tray, and all. I recall telling Moody that very same thing. Before, of course discovering the almost limitless options buried in KDE system settings.
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I think it looks almost identical to the first time I loaded up a KDE desktop back in the oughts...
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The default look has not changed. That is true. The operative word being default
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Just looking for opinions: Is it even worth it/a good idea to set up hibernation (i.e. suspend to disk or suspend to both)? If so, what's the best way to go about it?
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Hibernation is greyed out on all my Linux boxes. Not sure why though-it was supported when they ran Windows.
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I ended up setting it up using these instructions. Wasn't really that difficult and I've confirmed it works
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Thought I'd update my Dropbox dilemma, as I had occasion to contact them yesterday and now have the story straight from the horse's mouth.

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You've probably deduced that this was actually the second question I asked. The first had to do with red X icons that had mysteriously appeared on a few of my files [when viewed in the DB desktop software]; those files were no longer updating [which I could tell when I viewed their date-stamps on the DB site]. I read their help page about the reasons for red X icons, but none of those issues applied.

Interestingly--and consider this when you're deciding how good their above reply is--they said those files had been created with extended attributes/xattr, and that's why they were missing. You can imagine the fun that followed!

We back and forthed, with me telling them that CANNOT be the issue because, A) I've never created files with extended attributes, and, B) the files were NOT missing, they had suddenly acquired red Xs and were no longer updating.

Somewhere along the line they also said that I should upgrade my OS (without even knowing what version or distro I'm using) and that would solve the problem.

The problem resolved itself, as the files in question ended up losing their red Xs and resumed updating. So when I last e-mailed them to let them know the issue was resolved, I dropped the bomb on them that I have 28 years of experience with *nix, and when I SAY extended attributes are not the problem, I MEAN they're not the problem!
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Okey, Linux has completely crashed on my Dad's desktop. It works for about 5 minutes, and then bam, its crashed. Time to delete Linux, but what other distro should I put on the computer? I was thinking of moving away from ubuntu, and getting something that will actually make this computer work for more than a week. haha, any ideas?
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Your best bet would lie in determining what is behind the crashes...

Have you ruled out hardware issues such as a bad memory module?
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I've been intrigued ever since nick said he was dual-booting Ubuntu on a Chromebook.

And my granddaughter needs something new, so I found the Acer c710-2847 and searching here, see it's the same one nick has. (But not at the price he scored. )

Anyway, I found this and was intrigued - it's not dual boot, it's more like a VM because you just pop and back forth between ChromeOS and Ubuntu with a keyboard shortcut, it's called crouton.

How to Install Linux on a Chromebook and Unlock Its Full Potential

And I found by looking at their github that you can apparently get the following desktops - Unity, Gnome, KDE, Cinnamon, LXDE (I've used that on my phone lol), XFCE4, XMBC, e17 (iow, latest Enlightenment, not too shabby) or just a CLI. And according to the crouton wiki, you can also use awesome and they provide the simple X11 commands to start that.

So... that sounds pretty good to me to get a new HS student started.

One guy even got Steam working - Steam on crouton ubuntu on chromebook :: Steam for Linux General Discussions

It looks like the initial setup is for Ubuntu 12.04 LTS - and naturally my next thing was to see what other distributions were available. The github explains how to look for releases and which distros they belong to - https://github.com/dnschneid/crouton

But being lazy, I found this and it was interesting - Ubuntu 13.04 raring to go on Acer C7 Chromebook | projectz

So I got curious and looking further, it looks like it supports Ubuntu Saucy Salamander (13.10) and Debian wheezy, jessie and sid (lol) if I'm not mistaken.

2 GB ram, a basic Celeron processor, 320 GB HD, actual ports (HDMI, USB), and the ability to hot swap between ChromeOS and any of that - I'm not seeing the downside to this for less than $250 (and I'm wishing that I'd found the closeout nick did for $99 lmao).

Thought that some might find this interesting, cheers.
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Have you ruled out hardware issues such as a bad memory module?
I believe it is a hardware issue. Though, when using it once, the os will crash, and go to the terminal look, and white lines will show through the screen, and it will alternate between that and the terminal look. From that point of view its the os that may be whats matter with the os. Though when I tried to get into the bios I got the beeping sound from the hardware. One short beep, followed by one long beep. I looked that up and didnt find a match. I bet its the hardware that makes it crash. I told my dad that he should just get a new computer. HP has single handedly been the worst experience of computing ive ever experienced. Ive fixed this computer so many times, all the fault of HP's hardware. Not windows or viruses.
I was saying in another thread that I was looking at a new chromebook from HP to be released on November 3, but I was just reminded of the nightmare of HP. I may get the new Acer computer then. Or if Lenovo released their thinkpad chromebook to consumers ill get that.
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My C7 was on some sort of clearance. They arent selling here and they replaced the section with Apple stuff. But the lower price might also have to do with mine having the ssd vs. the hard disk as well
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Don't buy Acer, they are underpowered for the price you pay. The Lenovo laptops I have worked on were pretty good units, though that's back when they were still pretending to be IBM.
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Samsung then, Lenovo doesn't sell chromebooks to consumers, only educators. This is just for my dad, who needs to just get online, and pay bills, ebay, and that sort of things. I may pick up 2 if I can.
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Yeah, I had several Lenovos back then.

Closest thing in the price range from Lenovo I saw just now on a quick web check is $100 more, weighs twice as much - and this is a big driver here - no ChromeOS.

3 lbs is plenty for a slight hs girl to lug around, ChromeOS will fit her study needs perfectly, right away, and it can be her bridge to a bigger world.

Without getting her _back_ into Windows. This is a girl who's owned a DX (own money earned), an iP4 (free with mom's plan upgrade), a Kindle (first gen, Xmas present, outgrown that), a bad Windows laptop (hand-me-down from dad, we never got it right and now it's dead) and she's been thinking that a MS Surface ($315) + keyboard will work for school without the hassle of a Win laptop or expense of an iPad.

So this choice is a compromise but I think it's worth checking into, and now especially because of crouton.

Besides - if it's not happening, Amazon return policy ftw.

Edit - ah, two different vendors at Amazon, with different return policies. It pays to shop smart.
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NOOB ALERT

How do I install Flash?

I wish I was joking, but I'm not. I DL'd the "YUM" file from he site but then I have no idea what to do with that...

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Also, how would I get the middle click working so that I can use it to drag/scroll?
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Well, my desktop seems to be dead lmao.

Not sure anymore, I seem to believe that I did this to install Flash, here's the 13.04 instructions - http://www.krizna.com/ubuntu/install-flash-player-on-ubuntu-13-04/
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How do I install Flash?

I wish I was joking, but I'm not. I DL'd the "YUM" file from he site but then I have no idea what to do with that...
Kindly refresh my increasingly bad memory...which distro and version are you using?

Also, the file you downloaded, what is its name? Were there installation instructions from the site you downloaded it?

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As you've already deduced, it's not Linux that's the problem, it's hardware, right?

But let's pretend that it WASN'T a hardware problem--why would you delete LInux? Depending on why a computer is 'crashing' (which I actually can't recall seeing a *nix computer do, other than for hardware reasons, like a dying hard drive or bad RAM), there's no reason to delete Linux. There's no reason even to reinstall the OS--unlike that, *cough*...OTHER OS. It could be a simple matter of a user screwing up a setting somewhere [in their own user account]. My now departed mother could do things to computers I literally had NEVER seen before, but I never had to delete or reinstall Kubuntu because of it. I finally locked down her account in such a way that no matter *WHAT* she did, no matter how badly screwed up it looked, a simple log out/in solved the problem.

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There are so many distros, each with its own pros and cons. But I just have to say that I have *buntu computers that have been humming along for years without any intervention whatsoever, so I'm kind of at a loss as to why your experience with it is so different from mine.

Also, regarding your really bad experience with HP--all of my computers (laptops and desktops) are HP, and I've never had any problems (other than the occasional hard drive death, which has nothing to do with HP, per se). Some of them are 10+ years old and still humming away. *shrug*
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What device are we talking about?
I assumed that was the mouse but I gave up on pushing down on the Logitech scroll wheel with bash, so I'm useless on that one.

I haven't used a straight 3 button mouse since HP-UX.

On the crashing machine, fsck has been run, yeah?
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I've been intrigued ever since nick said he was dual-booting Ubuntu on a Chromebook.

And my granddaughter needs something new, so I found the Acer c710-2847 and searching here, see it's the same one nick has. (But not at the price he scored. )
That's the same one I've been looking at...for weeks now...on Amazon. Right now it's $243. I just can't make up my bleeping mind.

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Anyway, I found this and was intrigued - it's not dual boot, it's more like a VM because you just pop and back forth between ChromeOS and Ubuntu with a keyboard shortcut, it's called crouton.

How to Install Linux on a Chromebook and Unlock Its Full Potential

And I found by looking at their github that you can apparently get the following desktops - Unity, Gnome, KDE, Cinnamon, LXDE (I've used that on my phone lol), XFCE4, XMBC, e17 (iow, latest Enlightenment, not too shabby) or just a CLI. And according to the crouton wiki, you can also use awesome and they provide the simple X11 commands to start that.

So... that sounds pretty good to me to get a new HS student started.

One guy even got Steam working - Steam on crouton ubuntu on chromebook :: Steam for Linux General Discussions

It looks like the initial setup is for Ubuntu 12.04 LTS - and naturally my next thing was to see what other distributions were available. The github explains how to look for releases and which distros they belong to - https://github.com/dnschneid/crouton

But being lazy, I found this and it was interesting - Ubuntu 13.04 raring to go on Acer C7 Chromebook | projectz

So I got curious and looking further, it looks like it supports Ubuntu Saucy Salamander (13.10) and Debian wheezy, jessie and sid (lol) if I'm not mistaken.

2 GB ram, a basic Celeron processor, 320 GB HD, actual ports (HDMI, USB), and the ability to hot swap between ChromeOS and any of that - I'm not seeing the downside to this for less than $250 (and I'm wishing that I'd found the closeout nick did for $99 lmao).

Thought that some might find this interesting, cheers.
Interesting, indeed. Thanks for sharing.
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I've never been able to tolerate dual booting, and our Chromebook forum appears less than active, so this seemed like a good place to archive the info, especially in light of previous discussions.
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Kindly refresh my increasingly bad memory...which distro and version are you using?

Also, the file you downloaded, what is its name? Were there installation instructions from the site you downloaded it?
Kubuntu 13.04 kubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64

Flash. DL'd from the Adobe site. No instructions :P But Early's link seems to be good, I'll try it tomorrow.

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I assumed that was the mouse but I gave up on pushing down on the Logitech scroll wheel with bash, so I'm useless on that one.
The only thing I ever use my mouse (actually, trackball) for in bash is scrolling up/down. When I'm at a command line, I think in old school, text only, CLI only mode and basically only use the keyboard. But, with my curiosity piqued, I just tried pushing down on my scroll wheel, and it pasted in the last thing I had copied to the clipboard. What is it that you want yours to do? The trackball I just tried this on is a Logitech wireless Trackman; I can try it later with my Logitech wired Trackmans, too.

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I haven't used a mouse since the first trackball became available! I'm no good whatsoever with a mouse. I'm just too used to the ease of trackballs; mine all have the thumb-operated ball, which I love. I tried a middle ball once, but disliked it almost as much as I dislike mice.

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On the crashing machine, fsck has been run, yeah?
From the problems sf is describing, I don't know if that's possible. It sounds like a graphics card issue or perhaps bad RAM. I don't think it's staying up long enough--and with a readable enough screen--to do anything. I hope we'll get updates.
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I did it! I just did it! After weeks of ruminating over whether to buy a Chromebook, I found one on Amazon for $200--brand new--and bought it. It's the same model Nick has, Acer C7 C710-2847. I've never bought a computer from an individual before on Amazon, but I read Amazon's info and its A-to-Z guarantee applies for third party sales.

For another $42 I added a 3-year Square Trade warranty. I almost never buy extended warranties, but what the heck.

Stay tuned...
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The middle button on a three-button mouse is paste as I recall, and that's how my Logitech scroll wheel worked.

I simply stopped using it with the terrible command line editing in bash.

Remember modifying your environment and using vi syntax for command line editing??

Thanks to my surrender to the bash conventions, I've lost years of my life holding down the delete key for lack of cw for a path element or just simply overstrike instead of the assumption that we're all in love with insert editing - and the delete key.

And with the state of this current laptop (my backup hobbling along now that the desktop is dead), I think I'll look over my granddaughter's and barring all else, I think I'll go for that one myself.

And PS - all of my trackballs have had three buttons, no idea what you've used.
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Not a big issue to me and I only installed it as I wanted a ready made cups 1.6.x install to play with avahi/zeroconf and that runs... But wondering what a quick fix is other than a text mode boot.

These days I usually use a spare PC (one of my nVidia Ions) if I want to try another OS. I use a KVM switch to connect the monitor. If the monitor is not present on boot rather than presenting me with a terminal login I could use or a graphical login with a sensible default (OpenSuse would present me with a 1024 x758), kubuntu presents me (on connecting the monitor) with a screen displaying the startup messages and in a situation where the only input it accepts is the power off switch!
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I didn't really follow jon, but off the top of my head the first thing that struck me was bootp for the cups machine, no KVM, just telnet.

That's either really golden or completely lame as I'm guessing at your topography.
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I didn't really follow jon, but off the top of my head the first thing that struck me was bootp for the cups machine, no KVM, just telnet.

That's either really golden or completely lame as I'm guessing at your topography.
No problem that end. I'm actually trying to get mDns scanning (using a part of jmdns) into my print app and while I have some Android bits I need to get my head round, etc. kubuntu (and the web :631) interface is working for my needs.






Just wondering what someone needing the graphical interface might do.

OpenSuse (my usual distro) btw has so far stuck with the 1.5.x versions of cups and is pre the sort of "bonjour" switch.

(Network is mostly wired with static IP, a couple of access points (I live in an L shaped bungalow and can't find a mid point that works with just one) provide wireless for the mobile devices. My regular cups server is the "always on" PC I think I mentioned in a previous post.
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The middle button on a three-button mouse is paste as I recall, and that's how my Logitech scroll wheel worked.

I simply stopped using it with the terrible command line editing in bash.
Oh, I see.

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Remember modifying your environment and using vi syntax for command line editing??
You know what? I really DON'T remember that. However, that could mean any number of things, including, A) senility, B) chronic lack of sleep, C) way too long ago to recall at this point, or, D) I didn't do it.

I'm voting for #D, and here's why:

Historically, I don't spend enough time fiddling with commands at an actual command prompt to worry with it. When I used to be gainfully employed, I spent much of my time in my beloved vi, cranking out shell scripts and testing them from within vi. A typical stop at a prompt then, as now, involved little need to edit commands. Then, as now, the [home] [end] [delete] and [backspace] keys sufficed.

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You know how easily my curiosity gets piqued, right? Sooooo...I couldn't resist looking into all this. And guess what? I THINK there's a solution. (Unless I'm totally misunderstanding what you're saying. Entirely possible, by the way. )

Start with man bash; search for READLINE, and also -o vi and vi mode.

I just did the most rudimentary testing with a few commands--and they all worked as expected--including:

Code:
[ctrl][a] - move to beginning of line
[ctrl][e] - move to end of line
[meta][f] - move forward one word
[meta][b] - move backward one word
[ctrl][l] - clear screen
[meta][d] - delete one word
[meta]X [ctrl][d] - delete X characters
(Note that I don't have a meta key, so I'm using the [esc] alternative.)

Apparently, you can do a lot of customizing by setting things in its $INPUTRC file, typically ~/.inputrc.

Is this what you're looking for? Let me know!

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Here's my wireless Logitech M570 Trackman:



My wired (now discontinued) Logitech Wheel Marble Trackmans:



And this is roughly similar to a middle ball trackball I tried years ago:

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Yes, those are the right commands.

Yes, I was ranting.

I've written more than a few shell scripts in vi, and before bash, needed to change rc files to get command line recall with editing, beyond the history command.

Once upon a time, all SGS, Ultrix, AIX and HP-UX workstations came stock with 3 button mice.

My first thumb trackball (not my first trackball) -

http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mli8QZBh1ANA9YcamKEz6Sg.jpg

My second was a wireless version of your Marble.

I've used mice since. Don't know why I changed, I just did.

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My first thumb trackball (not my first trackball) -

http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mli8QZBh1ANA9YcamKEz6Sg.jpg
I still have mine!! I LOVED that sucker, and when it was discontinued and I could no longer fix mine any more, I just couldn't bear to part with it; it's on my computer desk--maybe tomorrow I'll snap a pic of it. It was wider and longer than the newer generations of Logitech trackballs. My hand fit more comfortably/naturally on it.

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My second was a wireless version of your Marble.

I've used mice since. Don't know why I changed, I just did.
I don't know. I cannot use a mouse...I don't know what it is about them, but I just really hate them.
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Sadly, I have a crippled thumb and can't use trackballs all that well, though that marble trackball looks interesting...

Maybe I could convince the Office Max to let me test drive one.

It would have to be wireless, though.

On a side note, why the hell don't they make more BT mice? I just really don't like having to deprive myself of a USB port on my laptop on a semipermanent basis just for a mouse.
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Yes right, and then they don't leave them alone after they make a decent one (Apple).

This is actually a small mouse, it's marketed for travel (laptop mouse). Which is why I bought it (handheld clicker for presentations, I tend to stroll about).

It eats batteries.

It's also fast and incredibly comfortable for me - the smaller size means instead of being lost in your hand, you've used it and moved on before needing time to position your fingers.

http://www.cellxpo.com/SbCategory-all-all-Wireless_Mice-AMB01US.asp

I got mine for less than that at a local something, I don't recall - Staples, Best Buy, don't recall.
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Moody I got the exact same wireless trackball. I love them and wish they were still conveniently built into laptops.
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Just an observation about the hippie OS:
Stallman's GNU at 30: The hippie OS that foresaw the rise of Apple - and is now trying to take it on
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I cannot use mini mice very well... I have long fingers and the aforementioned thumb thing. The Logitech I use right now is a ten button version, and I use all of them.

It seems like everyone makes the same crappy mouse with Bluetooth-- no ergonomics, five buttons.

Some day I will get tired of it and try to hack a BT transceiver into a regular wireless mouse.
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Is there any way to turn off the workspace preview thingy (technical terms FTW!) or move it to a different location in Mint btw?

Currently, if my mouse hits the top left corner of my screen, I'll get the option to switch to another workspace. I've lost count of the number of times I've done that as opposed to opening the gmail tab on my browser.

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What mouse?

I had similar issues with my Razer Imperator when I switched over to Linux.

I went back to Windows, used Synapse to program macros (not predefined actions) on to the mouse itself and when I booted back to Mint, pretty much everything worked as it did in Windows 7.
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You're talking about the hotspot functionality.

I think it is in Settings under Desktop... don't have my machine up at the moment too verify that, sorry.

Since I prefer to have my bar on top instead of at the bottom, I had to move that function to the lower left...
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I cannot use mini mice very well... I have long fingers and the aforementioned thumb thing. The Logitech I use right now is a ten button version, and I use all of them.

It seems like everyone makes the same crappy mouse with Bluetooth-- no ergonomics, five buttons.

Some day I will get tired of it and try to hack a BT transceiver into a regular wireless mouse.
You've seen/have had this?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/mad-catz-m-o-u-s-9-bluetooth-laser-mouse-matte-black/8924242.p?id=1218955984526&skuId=8924242&st=blueto oth%20mouse&cp=1&lp=10
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If Batman has a mouse, it looks like that...

Reviews are mixed on it, though, and it's priced twice what I'd want to pay.

I don't know... if I found one on eBay that needed a little tweaking or something, maybe I'd pick one up.
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I got flamed out until my asbestos underoos got charred by insisting in the Linux mail lists years ago that distributions be called GNU/Linux because a kernel does not an operating system make.

Rich is a really interesting and nice guy. And many would call him a hippie.

Today, it's all about Linux but without him, none of this would exist.

And articles really seem to make him out just a little differently than he is - corporate culture just is what it is.

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