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Old October 7th, 2013, 02:04 PM   #1101 (permalink)
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Is there any way to turn off the workspace preview thingy (technical terms FTW!) or move it to a different location in Mint btw?

Currently, if my mouse hits the top left corner of my screen, I'll get the option to switch to another workspace. I've lost count of the number of times I've done that as opposed to opening the gmail tab on my browser.
On Kubuntu, it's under Settings | System Settings | Workspace Behavior | Screen Edges. Look for something similar in your settings.
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Cheers.

It was called Hot Corners and I hadn't switched Advanced Mode on in settings so I couldn't find it.
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As Moody is going for one, here's the ChrUbuntu page, includes Kubuntu -

Chromebooks and Chrome OS

Here's how to put Arch Linux via ChrUbuntu on an Acer or Samsung Chromebook XE303C12 -

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Acer_C7_Chromebook

Samsung Chromebook | Arch Linux ARM

Edit/PS - crouton can chroot from the sd card -

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I read that: Looks complicated!
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I read that: Looks complicated!
I haven't read it yet--I'm actually THINKING about doing something I have not been able to do with an out-of-the-box computer in decades: use it as is.

The first thing I normally do when I take a new computer (desktop or laptop) out of its box is stick a Linux disc in its drive and wipe all traces of window$ off of it, replacing it with Linux.

THIS time, I'm already getting Linux. Even though I'm always [always...always... ] yakking about *buntu and how great it's been for me, I'm not averse to using/trying other distros [think my now-dead Bodhi laptop, or Fedora and several other distros I've tried again over the last couple years, just for the fun of it]. If this Chromebook allows me to do everything I'd normally do, and I can make it look how I like, I might leave it alone.

Or not.

You know that curiosity thing with me.
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Her parents felt better about the Samsung, so my granddaughter is getting that tonight.

After we get her a 64 GB SD card, I think she'll enjoy Linux.

I'm probably going to wait for the new crop coming out and decide which I want.

I'm learning towards Debian on mine - but a lot of root goodies like Ubuntu so I may do that.

PS - read that it's not difficult to replace the HD in the Acer with a solid state drive...
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Kinda Linux related but also device related: Currently working through the process of installing Arch on my N7... We'll see...
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I can't figure out why this happens. I'm using a usb wlan drive to get wifi to my desktop. I've set up ndiswrapper properly because I have internet flowing through just fine (though only B/G, N doesn't seem to work). However it will randomly stop working until I remove the driver and reinstall it. It seems to happen most often when downloading or streaming. Anyone know the cause of it?
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Best guess is whatever controls how often the kernel tells attached USB devices to sleep is triggering after awhile.
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I can't figure out why this happens. I'm using a usb wlan drive to get wifi to my desktop. I've set up ndiswrapper properly because I have internet flowing through just fine (though only B/G, N doesn't seem to work). However it will randomly stop working until I remove the driver and reinstall it. It seems to happen most often when downloading or streaming. Anyone know the cause of it?
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Okay, so I am looking at this tutorial on installing KDE on Mint; but now I am unsure which version of KDE/Plasma to install.
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Okay, so I am looking at this tutorial on installing KDE on Mint; but now I am unsure which version of KDE/Plasma to install.
Don't be overwhelmed by all the choices--it's just standard Linux philosophy, letting the user control what s/he wants to install.

Unless there's some reason why you don't want a full install, I'd recommend going with these:

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For the full version, install the kde-full package:

$ sudo apt-get install kde-full

If you want KDE Plasma Desktop do:

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Note that I don't use the apt-get method for installing KDE (I usually burn a Kubuntu disc and use it; I've also occasionally used Synaptic after installing Ubuntu to add KDE/Kubuntu). Therefore, I'm not sure if the second of those choices will actually install the full package PLUS Plasma, or not. You won't harm anything either way, so it's fine to go ahead and run both of those commands.

When you're done, you can still find MORE things to add, believe it or not. Themes, widgets, icons, applications, all sorts of stuff. Personally, I use Synaptic to browse through [by searching] all the KDE-related stuff, and then installing what I want.
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Well, I like the G-stuff I have in Cinnamon; I just want to have a little more flexibility in the desktop (different wallpapers on each desktop, etc.).
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Well, I like the G-stuff I have in Cinnamon; I just want to have a little more flexibility in the desktop (different wallpapers on each desktop, etc.).
To have the features of KDE, you're going to have to run KDE. No problem, though, because GNOME apps work perfectly fine on KDE. So you can have the beautiful features KDE provides but continue using apps you like and are comfortable with.
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To have the features of KDE, you're going to have to run KDE. No problem, though, because GNOME apps work perfectly fine on KDE. So you can have the beautiful features KDE provides but continue using apps you like and are comfortable with.
Hrm... If I try Plasma alone and discover that I need more, then I should be able to install KDE full over it, right?

Just don't want to incur a bunch of overhead; you know, a bunch of stuff occupying my hard drive that I won't use.

Does Plasma work with touchscreens?
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Hrm... If I try Plasma alone and discover that I need more, then I should be able to install KDE full over it, right?
I hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it works that way. I mean, Plasma is part of KDE, not a free-standing feature. So choosing the kde-plasma-desktop installation will include both. Like I said earlier, I've never used the apt-get method for installing KDE, so I've never had to actually think about this before!
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All I did was

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sudo apt-get update

sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
That installed the latest one for my distro and included Plasma.
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Okay, I tried
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sudo apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop
but now I have to choose a default display manager.

I have no idea what the differences are between KDM, LightDM and MDM...

Okay, I guess MDM (Mint Display Manager) is the default.

If not, I guess I will have to learn a few more terminal commands...
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but now I have to choose a default display manager.

I have no idea what the differences are between KDM, LightDM and MDM...

Okay, I guess MDM (Mint Display Manager) is the default.

If not, I guess I will have to learn a few more terminal commands...
No, it doesn't matter which one you picked. Now, when you go to log in, you'll be able to choose which DM you want; by choosing MDM you simply made that the default, i.e., if you don't choose something else, that's what will start up. Once you choose KDM (when logging in), it'll stay KDM for subsequent log ins, until you choose something else.

When you're on the log in screen there's a button/icon/list/something (you'll have to see what it looks like on your distro's log in screen); click on it and you'll see the choices.
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Ah, yes... I remember being given the choice and being asked whether I wanted my choice to be this session only or every time I boot up.
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Ok, having issues with bash completion. I want it to complete on arguments for a given command. It doesn't do that.

Example:

I type sudo pacman --sy<TAB> and I want it to complete to --sync

I know this is the default behavior in Ubuntu (which is one thing I actually like having) but I'm on Arch and only have tab completion to a certain extent (completing commands, showing what package contains a command if I try to run something that isn't installed, etc)
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Just an [uncharacteristically] quick one: I'm typing this from my just-arrived Chromebook!

Now I'm off to make its settings more usable...like its tiny, tiny font.
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Ok, having issues with bash completion. I want it to complete on arguments for a given command. It doesn't do that.

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I type sudo pacman --sy<TAB> and I want it to complete to --sync

I know this is the default behavior in Ubuntu (which is one thing I actually like having) but I'm on Arch and only have tab completion to a certain extent (completing commands, showing what package contains a command if I try to run something that isn't installed, etc)
Not sure, but look at importing /etc/bash_completion.d from an Ubuntu distribution.

I think all they've done is overloaded the common commands using complete and compgen.

http://askubuntu.com/questions/95211/how-do-i-set-up-bash-completion-for-command-arguments

Google for bash complete compgen to see scripts for adding options for your own commands.

I never knew argument completion existed. I've only used it for files and paths lol.
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Ok, having issues with bash completion. I want it to complete on arguments for a given command. It doesn't do that.

Example:

I type sudo pacman --sy<TAB> and I want it to complete to --sync

I know this is the default behavior in Ubuntu (which is one thing I actually like having) but I'm on Arch and only have tab completion to a certain extent (completing commands, showing what package contains a command if I try to run something that isn't installed, etc)
Turns out the bash_completion file (which needs to be sourced when the shell is launched) in Arch is not stored in /etc for some reason like I've read it is for Ubuntu; instead that file is located in /usr/share/bash-completion

Also, apparently it doesn't work for commands like adb and fastboot so I will have to search for those Figured that out too!
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Now I'm off to make its settings more usable...like its tiny, tiny font.
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Hit ctrl-alt-f2 Moody for a terminal in ChromeOS. thats also the way to enable Dev mode and get Linux in there later.
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At what point, Nick? I'm doing it now (with it booted up and running), and that key combo isn't doing anything.
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Thanks!

With a whopping ~30 minutes under my belt, I'm...90...95% sure this isn't going to work for me out of the box. Surprise!

I'm going to post a separate thread about its issues, since it's really not Linux-thread-related.
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At what point, Nick? I'm doing it now (with it booted up and running), and that key combo isn't doing anything.
The ctrl-alt-=> timing is covered in the ChrUbuntu link I provided, alternative method in the earlier Crouton link.
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It worked for me? Maybe it only works on the Acer C7...it should bring up a terminal full-screen with a prompt.
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It worked for me? Maybe it only works on the Acer C7...it should bring up a terminal full-screen with a prompt.
But I have the same Acer you do.

Oh well, don't worry about it! Three guesses...no, ONE guess, what I'm doing right now on the brand-spanking-new Chromebook... Hint: EM posted a link to it yesterday.
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But I have the same Acer you do.

Oh well, don't worry about it! Three guesses...no, ONE guess, what I'm doing right now on the brand-spanking-new Chromebook... Hint: EM posted a link to it yesterday.
Arch? Or buntu...
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Ubuntu for right now. Just had to get a REAL Linux with REAL Linux tools and stuff I'm familiar with on it. Good guess, by the way!
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Okay, I think I've seen enough to know that I don't want or need ChromeOS. I'd strongly prefer just a pure *buntu install.

So I'm now trying to figure out if I can manipulate its pseudo-*buntu install to become its only OS. In other words, use what's already there instead of needing a downloaded copy of *buntu on a...not disc, since the Chromebook has no disc drive, and I don't have any spare USB sticks...something.

gParted shows me a ton of partitions, including /dev/sdaX, where X=1 through 12, plus three unallocated.

Anyone have any experience with what I'm after? (Is it even clear WHAT I'm after? )

If I had to do it via a conventional method, could I download an ISO onto an external (USB-powered) hard drive and install it from there? But I don't know how/if I can boot up from that. *more confusion*
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What size storage did you get, MB?

Follow my ChrUbuntu link for dealing with /dev/sda usb/SD resolution.

If you got the 320 GB HD, I don't think you'll need to worry about other storage.
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Okay, I think I've seen enough to know that I don't want or need ChromeOS. I'd strongly prefer just a pure *buntu install.

So I'm now trying to figure out if I can manipulate its pseudo-*buntu install to become its only OS. In other words, use what's already there instead of needing a downloaded copy of *buntu on a...not disc, since the Chromebook has no disc drive, and I don't have any spare USB sticks...something.

gParted shows me a ton of partitions, including /dev/sdaX, where X=1 through 12, plus three unallocated.

Anyone have any experience with what I'm after? (Is it even clear WHAT I'm after? )

If I had to do it via a conventional method, could I download an ISO onto an external (USB-powered) hard drive and install it from there? But I don't know how/if I can boot up from that. *more confusion*
This maybe? Poking around your Chrome OS Device - The Chromium Projects
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It's a 320GB hard drive, EM. That's the only option.
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chroot or dual boot, both are pure installs - the sites linked help you with the tools you need because this is another case - it's not UEFI nor a PC BIOS.

So I think trying for a usb iso install is doomed because it's ignoring that constraint.

I could be wrong.
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I think this answers your other questions.
http://liliputing.com/2012/11/how-to-install-ubuntu-12-04-on-the-199-acer-c7-chromebook.html
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Thanks. I'm looking at it now. Stay tuned!

ETA: Okay, after reading the above, as well as the blog post it refers to for the remainder of instructions, it seems that's not quite it. I want to get rid of ChromeOS altogether, not have a choice of booting it or Ubuntu. But...

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I'm not sure what you mean by pure installs. The way my current setup (what I got by following your post from yesterday) works is that it lets you log in to KDE (or whatever DE you chose to install), but when you exit from it you're back in ChromeOS. Without shutting down, restarting, logging out, etc. You invoke it with sudo startkde at a prompt, and when you exit you're back in ChromeOS's file system. So it's not exactly dual-booting, but sub-booting, or something. I want it to be ONLY booting!

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So I think trying for a usb iso install is doomed because it's ignoring that constraint.
Wait...am I understanding correctly that I can't just wipe the drive and install *buntu (or any other distro)?
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I got the SSD with like 9gb so I must have bought the last of the last generation C7s.

I ran this script in ChromeOSs terminal and it auto boots to Ubuntu on its own (I have zero access to ChromeOS even if running the reverse script in Ubuntu ) but sits at a warning screen for a minute before (OS VERIFICATION IS OFF). I don't think you can disable that boot screen...

The terminal in ChromeOS is ctrl-alt-F2. If it isn't working for you Moody I don't know what...
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Wait...am I understanding correctly that I can't just wipe the drive and install *buntu (or any other distro)?
Correct. You should be able to make *buntu the default boot option though
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I wonder if you can install VirtualBox and then drop Android x86 in it.

I saw one claim that you could install WinXP in one.

Hmmmm...
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Sounds like time for an experiment or two...
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Okay, this iteration of Plasma looks better than the last one I tried, but good Lord, the fonts and window designs are still stuck in the freakin' '90s.

... and please, someone tell me how to mute the damn speaker!



... sorry, in a bad mood today-- tired, too much business to do today and my daughter has house music blasting through the damn house.
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So change them! There are probably a billion...no, a gazillion...to choose from, so have at it! You can find many within Synaptic (or whatever you're using), and then some more via 'get new themes' (or similar) in settings. I guarantee you *MY* KDE desktops do not look stuck in the '90s.

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Um...either with volume control keys on your computer (mine are above the 9, 0, and - on this laptop), or by clicking on the volume control icon (mine is in my taskbar where I put it).

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*nods knowingly* (although it's been a while since my daughter was blasting music in my house--trust me, one day you'll MISS that sound!)
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I ran this script in ChromeOSs terminal and it auto boots to Ubuntu on its own (I have zero access to ChromeOS even if running the reverse script in Ubuntu ) but sits at a warning screen for a minute before (OS VERIFICATION IS OFF). I don't think you can disable that boot screen...
Guess what I'm doing right now? I'm doing the ChrUbuntu thing. Will see if I like that better than what I had last night.

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Will try again when it's accessible...although it will be a moot point, if I don't have to actually see ChromeOS when this is done.

ETA: Okay, I feel like I'm in an endless loop of getting nowhere. I've followed the instructions here to the letter. Everything seems to be cranking along as expected. But not exactly.

The first issue is that I'm never given the partition sizing option mentioned in #6 and #7.

And then, after it says it's done and I can now hit [enter] to start ChrUbuntu, when I hit [enter] I get ChromeOS. It says I can log in with user user and password user, but that certainly doesn't work since I'm back in ChromeOS. Using [ctrl][atl][-->] to get a terminal, I cannot log in with that user name and password. So I log back in as user chronos, and go through the steps again...and that's where the endless loop comes in. It's like lather, rinse, repeat.

WHAT am I missing?
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So change them! There are probably a billion...no, a gazillion...to choose from, so have at it! You can find many within Synaptic (or whatever you're using), and then some more via 'get new themes' (or similar) in settings. I guarantee you *MY* KDE desktops do not look stuck in the '90s.


Um...either with volume control keys on your computer (mine are above the 9, 0, and - on this laptop), or by clicking on the volume control icon (mine is in my taskbar where I put it).
Also, while I'm complaining, KDE changed my system fonts, even in Cinnamon. :/

How do I put that task bar to the top, and where do I get the speaker icon to sit on it... my functions keys don't work in Plasma, so I've been bombarded with system sounds while messing around with settings.

grumble, grumble... gripe, gripe...
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Okay, after a bit of searching around, and I found this which helped me in a roundabout way to fix things, at least in the Cinnamon side. Firefox was the worst culprit, see...

Now things look more normalish.
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