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Old October 19th, 2013, 09:42 PM   #1351 (permalink)
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she seems to do perfectly fine with Puppy Linux despite it defaulting to root. just proves my point. 'fake' antivirus and other malware are written for Windows, not Linux.
Might not be any fake antivrus or malware for desktop Linux OSs. But there's certainly plenty of fake ones for Android, ads, scareware, etc. But the thing with most Android devices, they're not running as root, and you really have to go out of your way to obtain root access with the majority of Android phones, tablets, laptops, PCs and TV devices. Android is a Linux OS IMO, it uses the kernel.
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a windows error in linux? possibly a fake ad with the giant red 'X' that poses as a fix or poses as an error-exactly the kind of advert grandma clicked on as she mistook it for an actual error screen and paid the price.

Most malware for Android runs without the need for root permissions (the little airpush never needs root). i do not recall there ever being any attempts to gain root access (no superuser dialog), and that might be just dumb luck, or Android being that well-designed. not too sure though.
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Which is just hilarious when a Windows error screen pops up in my browser...
I had that happen once. I couldn't have been using my real browser, SeaMonkey, because I've had Adblock Plus installed on it FOREVER. So it must've been while I was testing something with another browser [that I normally don't use and don't care about, and hadn't tweaked]. But, yeah, this "alert! your computer is infected!" (or some such garbage) came up. Being the curious soul that I am, I clicked on it! And it showed a window$ file system that was supposedly MINE, complete with scary markings showing where problems had been found. Just too funny...
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@mikedt, I'm so confused now that you've changed your avatar! Oh it's a nice enough avatar, it's just that I'm so used to your last one, and at my age it's hard adjusting to change.
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Here's an issue I came across this morning on my Mint system. I don't normally use Chrome, but thought I would try out the Linux version.

An "unsatisfied dependency" apparently, which is documented here:
Issue 304446 - chromium - Unsatisfied dependency (libgcc1) prevents installation of google-chrome-beta 31 on Ubuntu 32-bit - An open-source project to help move the web forward. - Google Project Hosting

I installed the beta and that is OK.
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@mikedt, I'm so confused now that you've changed your avatar! Oh it's a nice enough avatar, it's just that I'm so used to your last one, and at my age it's hard adjusting to change.
Hahaha.. yes I have Moody. We're near Halloween, Found her on DeviantArt, described as "Chinese Vampire".

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Remember this guy from last year?
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isn't Linux these days supposed to satisfy any missing dependencies thus eliminating what was known back in the day as 'dependency hell?'

I was lucky. Chrome was preinstalled by default on my Ubuntu Chromebook install. albeit a very old version that no longer supported Google (how ironic). although i was able to do a sudo apt-get ugrade and it updated to the most recent version.
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Hahaha.. yes I have Moody. We're near Halloween, Found her on DeviantArt, described as "Chinese Vampire".
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I like Chinese Android. all 3-D and skeuomorphic like i like him!

I need to fire up the GIMP and make an 'i heart deer' pic. those do not seem to exist in Google Images for some odd reason. but it's easy to make one.
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As opposed to what was known as "DLL Hell" over in the Windows world? Instead these days you have "XP compatibility mode" and "Run as Administrator.".... good luck if they don't work. Which shows a problem with proprietary software, because if you have a particular discontinued and no longer supported application or game you used on XP, but doesn't work on that new Windows 8 machine and the compatibility modes don't work, you're basically screwed.

But as this is open source rather than proprietary software, anyone can dive in and fix it. Instead of hoping, praying and asking for the original devs to fix it, if that is possible. I can't fix it myself, because I can't program, but I'm sure there's plenty who can. In this case it's a major browser(current stable version) not installing on one of the most popular Linux distros, I would think that should get sorted very quickly.
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I like Chinese Android. all 3-D and skeuomorphic like i like him!

I need to fire up the GIMP and make an 'i heart deer' pic. those do not seem to exist in Google Images for some odd reason. but it's easy to make one.
Oh no we can't have that! I ordered a new flat version, on it's way from Shenzhen now.



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BTW he was very 3D, and not rendered either.

Rather cute I think.
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I want deer Android robot. i've looked and nope. not even one with a red nose and antlers. the Dangerfield effect--NO RESPECT!
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*Sigh* That's what "apt-get install -f" is for, Nick. It's not "force install" it's "find what's missing and grab it!"
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it is always a root user system (Puppy's mantra is 'root forever') yet she has NEVER encountered a virus on it.
And now I know why. (A reminder: it's not viruses that are the issue on Linux. But I'm assuming you meant she's never encountered a catastrophic breakdown of her Linux system.)

I highly recommend reading this page about Puppy Linux's 'root forever' feature/philosophy, plus the Q&A "Security concerns" on Puppy's FAQ page. I did, and now things make a lot more sense.

In a nutshell, Puppy:

. is not multi-user, and,
. is essentially reinstalled every time it's booted up

Hence, a user logged in as root may delete their own files---as they could if they had logged in as a regular user--so that's not a problem unique to being logged in as root, and, if that user screws up the system, it's easily fixed.

The above is in direct contradiction to how 'normal' Linux is designed. Keeping in mind its UNIX roots (pun fully intended ), Linux is designed to be multi-user, multitasking, networked, and safe from malice. Puppy is the exception to the rule.
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Yes, I certainly do.


To the best of my knowledge, a *buntu is a *buntu is a *buntu. In other words, ANY *buntu is going to have the same driver support.

But your question makes me think you're having (or have had) problems with some item/device/component. Since that hasn't happened to me in years (the last time was circa 2007 when getting Broadcom 43xx wireless cards working took a little tweaking), I'm wondering what your specific issues are/were.

As for WHY I prefer Kubuntu, let's start with its infinite customization options--and we're talking via its settings; we don't even need to go into doing stuff at a command line. As I've said before, you could literally work full-time tweaking your settings, and never be DONE. I love the beautiful, polished, look of KDE. I also, in general, prefer KDE apps over their GNOME counterparts. So a fresh install of KDE/Kubuntu lets me hit the ground running because it's already installed basic apps I'm going to use. There are some notable exceptions, such as gParted and Synaptic, which I install IMMEDIATELY after I'm up and running. But keep in mind, as I've mentioned before, that you're perfectly free to install/use G apps on K, or K apps on G. They'll run just fine.
Yes I have had troubles with a broadcom, but now its a different card in the new laptop. I have my device running as my wireless card but I'd like not to.

I've been trying to find a solution and everything is all 404ed as far as drivers go. I will get the name of it as I can't remember at the moment, switching to kubuntu kind of bears the burden of installing a new os.. again. Lol
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Yes I have had troubles with a broadcom, but now its a different card in the new laptop. I have my device running as my wireless card but I'd like not to.

I've been trying to find a solution and everything is all 404ed as far as drivers go. I will get the name of it as I can't remember at the moment, switching to kubuntu kind of bears the burden of installing a new os.. again. Lol
Is it a driver issue? Earlier in the thread we had various solutions for some of that...
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I have a laptop with the physical hard drive being installed with Fedora
Then I have a USB drive that has OpenSuse on it.
I want them to switch drives. However I don't have enough space to just clone each one. I don't mind taking down and doing over but I just wanted to know what you would do in this predicament?

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as far as i can tell. at least by the looks of it. its a ralink RT3290.

I've found solutions, if you can call em that. But all lead to a driver that is 404'ed

Lubuntu 13.10. I asked earlier and ive made a wireless card out of my device, but I like to tinker so if I can get it running, itd be a fun adventure lol
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I keep extra USB drives. Good for alternating backups or temp storage in that situation.
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as far as i can tell. at least by the looks of it. its a ralink RT3290.

I've found solutions, if you can call em that. But all lead to a driver that is 404'ed

Lubuntu 13.10. I asked earlier and ive made a wireless card out of my device, but I like to tinker so if I can get it running, itd be a fun adventure lol
Apparantly, my google-fu is stronger.

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upon extracting the files, only one file was extracted, and it was another archive.
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That should be a Tar'd bz2. You may need to rename it accordingly and perform the usual tar command shenanigans.
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That should be a Tar'd bz2. You may need to rename it accordingly and perform the usual tar command shenanigans.
@boyo1991, it needs to be extracted multiple times. I have no idea why they made it that way.

The original file:
2012_0508_RT3290_Linux_STA_v2 1.6.0.0.zip

yields:
_2012_0508_RT3290_Linux_STA_v2.6.0.0.bz2

which yields:
_2012_0508_RT3290_Linux_STA_v2.6.0.0 (which is a tar archive, despite not saying so)

which yields a new directory:
DPO_RT3290_LinuxSTA_V2600_20120508

Note that the directory's name does not match up with the directory mentioned in #3 of the instructions, DPO_RT3562_3592_3062_LinuxSTA_V2.4.1.1_20101217

They appear to be older/newer versions, so following the instructions should work if you substitute the actual name of the directory and proceed from there.
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Hell they even make extracting files convoluted. In Windows just use WinZip and done!
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Uh, Linux is perfectly capable of doing the WinZip and Done! thing. From what I understand, the whole tar/zip stuff is from the earlier days of Linux, and I think the only reason its still around is because its cross-compatible with all linux distros out there, out of the box.

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Yeah, Ark can pretty much replace WinZip but still, so many exceptions. Why can't Linux just choose one format and leave it at that? What could be simpler than a ZIP file? Is there any advantage to having everything in dozens of different extracting archives?
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History.

Unix was wrapping filesystems in tape archives - tar - long before zip was around.

And while dos users were trying to sort out what version to use, people with workstations were shaking their heads.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PKZIP

So why doesn't the Linux world conform to some standard the way Windows does?

Momentum I suppose.

Look at how long it took for Windows to include what everyone was using as a native facility.

PS - tar has understood owners and permissions for quite a while.

Bzip simply adds what it needed - higher compression.
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Why can't Linux just choose one format and leave it at that? What could be simpler than a ZIP file?

Because then it would be MacOS.

Or Windows.

Yes, there are a variety of archiving tools out there, each with its own advantages and disadvantages. But that is the point. Linux is about choice.
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Yeah, Ark can pretty much replace WinZip but still, so many exceptions. Why can't Linux just choose one format and leave it at that? What could be simpler than a ZIP file? Is there any advantage to having everything in dozens of different extracting archives?
I believe zip was originally encumbered with PKware software patents and other IP issues, and therefore wasn't free, so couldn't be distributed and used without licensing and royalty payments, rather like MP3. That's we have Gzip, GNUzip, frequently used in open source. Linux most things are Gzip or Bzip. Mac OS X It's DMG primarily.

Windows compression is where I thought there's quite a few different compression technologies used, like rar, zip, 7zip, arc, etc. That hasn't settled on just one.
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Native compression from the Finder (the file explorer) in OS X is zip, not dmg. And it supports all the *nix compressions as well.

It's not the 90s anymore.
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Really? In OS X, I've downloaded and installed software for my Mac outside the App Store and it has always had a DMG extension. I think you are referring to BIN and SIT files. Oh, I remember the era of StuffIt Expander too well...

Even Valve's Steam comes in a DMG file.
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It's not the 90s anymore.
Now I thought it was DMG for software distribution, because nearly every Mac application I download is DMG, like Chrome or Firefox. Means disk image, doesn't it? - because you "mount" and open them like a disk. I know the Finder does compress to zip though.
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And professionally-packaged Windows software comes in msi files managed by installers by NSIS or InstallShield or the like.

And I guess that they can be packaged in a zip file rather than an appropriate image.

But zip files have never been the de facto way to install things on Windows.

And DMG is pretty handy as a native container format. But it's not the only one and it's not required.

As for my 90s comment, I was questioning the idea that Macs did things only in limited ways like Windows.

For installing Linux tools on a Mac, use Fink -

http://fink.thetis.ig42.org/

For other software, use DMG. Or a zip file. Or a zip file containing a PKG. Or a tar.

Which I think that two of you know.
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Hell they even make extracting files convoluted.
How? I don't get confused at all extracting files in Linux.

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It's been a long time since I unzipped anything on a window$ box, so I have no recollection one way or the other about WinZip's ability to automatically and with no effort from the user unzip a multi-nested archive, like the one that sparked this discussion. So, what, you'd just click on it in window$ [whatever the hell their file explorer is called] and it would recursively unzip each of the nested files, correctly creating directories/subdirectories per their structure?
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You can open and view the zipped files in winzip, yes, at least per my experience with using it.
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Emoji in Linux.

A couple of recent threads I've posted in recently have brought up the subject of Emoji.
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In China we frequently do use this, as well being very popular in Japan of course. So I wanted to see how well it's supported in Linux(Linux Mint). By default it doesn't, and there are no Emoji fonts in the repos AFAIK. But it's actually quite easy, just have to install a font called Symbola. Directions can be found here...
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A foreigner friend of mine can't understand why I use tons of smileys and emoji in chat lol
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Hope you registered and paid your $29.95 for it, because WinZip is not free. Although Windows has supported zip compression natively since XP AFAIK.
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Hope you registered and paid your $29.95 for it, because WinZip is not free. Although Windows has supported zip compression since XP AFAIK.
It's funny because I got mine from them but unlike the ms office trial, you can keep using it for free.
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I wouldn't let this deter you. You can do it with our help of course
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All I really need is to get skype working on linux on a chromebook and I'll be happy
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Oh, skype runs but I had to jump through hoops to get it to run. It wasn't a simple 'download from their site and double click on it' the way Windows was. Took me half an hour. I can help you though as I remember the way I had to do it. It runs alright not sure of the headset thing.

Chromebooks have only one distro compatible with them. The *buntu based 12.04 LTS version. When you try installing the file from Skype's website for that version it gives you a 'architecture not supported' error and aborts. There is no 'do it anyway' button either. Have to fire up the terminal, add the repo PPA and update and try again using the -f flag.

It obviously runs fine so like Google Play Store with its mostly-false 'not compatible with your device' stuff, Linux has a very picky installer as well, often assuming something is wrong when in fact it ain't, making something simple into something convoluted like most things Linux.

MikeDT's issue with installing Google Chrome and the package installer refusing to cooperate is a perfect example of what I experience. Every. Time. If there is any way to force the installer to install without checking for that compatibility that would make things easier for myself and anyone having the same problem. I know how to fix the Play Store via hacking build.prop so is there a Linux version of the same thing, where the package installer installs regardless?
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Oh, skype runs but I had to jump through hoops to get it to run. It wasn't a simple 'download from their site and double click on it' the way Windows was. Took me half an hour. I can help you though as I remember the way I had to do it. It runs alright not sure of the headset thing.

Chromebooks have only one distro compatible with them. The *buntu based 12.04 LTS version. When you try installing the file from Skype's website for that version it gives you a 'architecture not supported' error and aborts. There is no 'do it anyway' button either. Have to fire up the terminal, add the repo PPA and update and try again using the -f flag.

It obviously runs fine so like Google Play Store with its mostly-false 'not compatible with your device' stuff, Linux has a very picky installer as well, often assuming something is wrong when in fact it ain't, making something simple into something convoluted like most things Linux.

MikeDT's issue with installing Google Chrome and the package installer refusing to cooperate is a perfect example of what I experience. Every. Time. If there is any way to force the installer to install without checking for that compatibility that would make things easier for myself and anyone having the same problem. I know how to fix the Play Store via hacking build.prop so is there a Linux version of the same thing, where the package installer installs regardless?
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I'm not sure why Nick have so many issues installing software, even if it's not in your Linux version repositories, which should be the first way to install software.

Here is a snapshot of me downloading Skype and double clicking it to start the install. It is not in my distro repository and I may have an issue installing it, since this version is a Fedora Skype version.

I'm not going to install it because I don't need it, but it just show how double clicking the downloaded file works for me.
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Yes, but does it automatically and with no effort on the user's part recursively extract nested files?
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I think the answer is a big NO
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Oh, skype runs but I had to jump through hoops to get it to run. It wasn't a simple 'download from their site and double click on it' the way Windows was. Took me half an hour. I can help you though as I remember the way I had to do it. It runs alright not sure of the headset thing.
It took me less than ten minutes, as documented by the screenshots I posted--and the only reason it took THAT long was because I was documenting the process setting up and taking screenshots.

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NO, it does not. At least not for me or anyone else I know, other than Nick. Kindly view the screenshots I posted documenting the CRAZY EASINESS of installing it on my Chromebook.

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Not me. See the screenshots.

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@wyndslash, I hope you won't get discouraged by comments like these. I don't know how to word it, exactly, but...Nick's experience with Linux is NOT the norm.

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Here's where you're completely losing me: How is it that we can have identical computers (Acer Chromebook C710-2487) yet our experiences vary so wildly?

Same brand of computer? Check.
Same model? Check.
Same architecture? Check.
Same pre-installed operating system? Check.
Same user-installed operating system? Check.
Same method of installing the OS? Check.
Same results? NO! A resounding no.

So where is it falling apart?
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Chromebooks support a number of releases, see my earlier posts.

Many packages may only be available on the x86 types, not the ARM Chromebooks.

Just rounding out the info.
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my Chromebook is an Intel CPU. but no matter what i search for, regarding the Acer C7, the only distro shown is ChrUbuntu 12.04 LTS. you can turn it into Kubuntu easily but that's it. no Fedora, SuSE, or Mint anywhere to be seen.

Moody, the reason our experiences vary has more to do with your 20+ years of UNIX experience while my life has mostly been Mac and Windows. i only started getting into Linux like in the early 2000s. my earlier computer memories was dealing in TRS-DOS, CP/M and MS-DOS. i missed the Amiga era completely so i never got into all the 'boing-boing' stuff.

I can assure you, my experience is far better in VectorLinux 6.0. unfortunately, that version is so dated it hardly supports newer hardware, and of course, will never support the Chromebook.
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