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my Chromebook is an Intel CPU. but no matter what i search for, regarding the Acer C7, the only distro shown is ChrUbuntu 12.04 LTS. you can turn it into Kubuntu easily but that's it. no Fedora, SuSE, or Mint anywhere to be seen.
Right, but I don't have a problem with that, what with Kubuntu being my distro of choice and all.

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Nope. Sorry. Go back and look at the screenshots I've posted of downloading/installing Chrome and Skype on my Chromebook. The *exact* same model Chromebook you have--and that you had trouble with when installing those two apps. How on earth can my almost-30-years of *nix experience affect selecting a file from a site and clicking on it to install it?

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perhaps yours is a different series? does the hard drive model contain a different CPU perhaps?

BTW i didn't have a problem with Chrome. it was installed by default. it was MikeDT that had issues with Chrome, i just mentioned it and his screencap to show what i deal with--the picky package manager that thinks it knows best.
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perhaps yours is a different series? does the hard drive model contain a different CPU perhaps?
As far as I know, no. If it's the same model number--and ours definitely are, according to what you and I have both posted--I'd imagine all its specs are the same.

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all that done for me was download a Windows *.EXE which of course, didn't work. it was not listed in Software Center either. and just when you think you can double-click a file (download some .deb for Ubuntu aka skype) it almost always produces some reason to refuse installing 99.999% of the time. then comes the half-hour Google search.
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i installed Chrome fine. but trying to download it from Google.com via FireFox it tried to download the Windows version. a glitch at Google, perhaps?
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i installed Chrome fine. but trying to download it from Google.com via FireFox it tried to download the Windows version. a glitch at Google, perhaps?
I don't know. As I've said, I've never, ever had a window$ version of anything download [or attempt to download] when I've selected a Linux version. Anything's possible, so a glitch at Google isn't out of the question. Keep in mind that everything we see and do online has actual PEOPLE behind it! Programmers and administrators whose tasks include things like making sure the right file is linked to its choice on a web page. Perhaps someone screwed up. I know *I* have never...and I mean NEVER!!, screwed anything up in my programming/system administration. (And if you believe that, oh do I have some nice land to sell you. )
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Well, here's a [really very] minor issue that has me scratching my head.

My favorite weather widget is yaWP. I'm sitting here looking at my HP dv7 and my Acer Chromebook, both of which have yaWP in their taskbars. Their settings are identical. But look at their displays on mouse-over:

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The only difference is their version numbers, 0.4.1 (HP) and 0.4.2 (Acer). However, that shouldn't account for the missing map; if you look at yaWP's page at kde-look.org, its newest version clearly still includes the map. I see nothing in its changelog for 0.4.2 about removing the satellite image.

Any ideas? (Other than the obvious: install the latest version! I'll do that...at some point. )
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I may have actually logged the school Wi-Fi from Mint... using the KDE network manager and turning on KDE Wallet, which seems to be required.

Hard to say, though-- I was able to get to the login page in my browser, I couldn't go anywhere else, and was out of time for experimentation.
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I may have actually logged the school Wi-Fi from Mint... using the KDE network manager and turning on KDE Wallet, which seems to be required.

Hard to say, though-- I was able to get to the login page in my browser, I couldn't go anywhere else, and was out of time for experimentation.
Oh, I like the sound of that! Please post an update after you've experimented.
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Well, here's a [really very] minor issue that has me scratching my head.

My favorite weather widget is yaWP. I'm sitting here looking at my HP dv7 and my Acer Chromebook, both of which have yaWP in their taskbars. Their settings are identical. But look at their displays on mouse-over:

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The only difference is their version numbers, 0.4.1 (HP) and 0.4.2 (Acer). However, that shouldn't account for the missing map; if you look at yaWP's page at kde-look.org, its newest version clearly still includes the map. I see nothing in its changelog for 0.4.2 about removing the satellite image.

Any ideas? (Other than the obvious: install the latest version! I'll do that...at some point. )
Is yawp the weather widget for KDE? I can't never get any weather thingy to work for me. I'm at work now but will check it out again when I get home in the morning and post the type of issue I'm having.
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Moody, does your Chromebook occasionally (like after watching a lot of YouTube) go into some type of freeze where the mouse cursor gets choppy then eventually refuses to move, and then the system outright freezes requiring a restart? i think my Flash Player is what is causing it but there is no way to reproduce it or find its cause. that seems to be the only pattern--extended flash playback/use. forcing a restart fixes it. was worse with Unity but still (rarely) happens in KDE. keep in mind this happened long before i enabled root logins. it was worse in Unity that is for sure--would freeze in a few minutes each time.
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No, I haven't seen that, Nick. However, I don't do a lot of YouTube watching on the Chromebook. I may watch a video, or perhaps a couple, at a time, but that's about it. So it's not a good comparison.

Which browser are you using? I always stick with my favorite, SeaMonkey. Whichever browser it is, can you check its plugins and post its Flash version?
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Google Chrome. whatever flash is in there came with the install of Linux, only updated. it seems to be a slight memory leak like the plugin isn't shutting down when i'm done and close the tab, so when reloading it or an ad uses it somewhere, it starts loading up the CPU, and runs out of memory and freezes. i did a 'top' and CPU was pegged at 100% (barely able to get to a terminal to run the command) and Chrome was the culprit. memory use was off the scale, and, as it climbed, it got more and more unresponsive until it just stopped entirely and froze.

In Unity, it wasn't just Flash player, something happened if i left a tab open on the Gmail inbox (perhaps sync related?) and that tab would do the same thing, it would make the machine unresponsive and Chrome would go all 'sad tab' on every tab opened. basically 'killing tabs'. i disabled that feature so i wouldn't lose my place in a tab (like if i am reading something)

what i don't get is why Linux isn't killing such a task. isn't Linux, like Android, supposed to kill tasks on its own when it needs to make memory available for something else?

if i catch it in time, logging out and back in fixes it without a reboot.

I stopped using SeaMonkey long ago. it looks so outdated and too Netscape-like these days. i did have it themed in a Netscape skin that made it look like Navigator 2.x when i made a clone desktop of the IRIX system used in Jurassic Park out of mere nostalgia but that was it. (wasn't a perfect clone either, i couldn't figure out how to replace the 'seamonkey' animation with the Netscape comet animation when loading a site, although i was able to change the icon. that mod was done in VectorLinux 6, my fav distro)

I wonder if doing VMs in Linux would work? i mean if i want my VL 6 back, is it passe to load Linux inside another Linux?
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Google Chrome. whatever flash is in there came with the install of Linux, only updated. it seems to be a slight memory leak like the plugin isn't shutting down when i'm done and close the tab, so when reloading it or an ad uses it somewhere, it starts loading up the CPU, and runs out of memory and freezes. i did a 'top' and CPU was pegged at 100% (barely able to get to a terminal to run the command) and Chrome was the culprit. memory use was off the scale, and, as it climbed, it got more and more unresponsive until it just stopped entirely and froze.

In Unity, it wasn't just Flash player, something happened if i left a tab open on the Gmail inbox (perhaps sync related?) and that tab would do the same thing, it would make the machine unresponsive and Chrome would go all 'sad tab' on every tab opened. basically 'killing tabs'. i disabled that feature so i wouldn't lose my place in a tab (like if i am reading something)

if i catch it in time, logging out and back in fixes it without a reboot.
Strange. I wonder what's up.

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I've never tried to do that, and you know how I like a challenge!, but right now...just not up for it.
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Is yawp the weather widget for KDE? I can't never get any weather thingy to work for me. I'm at work now but will check it out again when I get home in the morning and post the type of issue I'm having.
Ok I tried adding yawp to the bottom panel by double clicking the widget icon. I'm not sure what happen but all the icons (clock, notify, time/date) on the right hand side moved all the way over the left hand side on panel, and I have no idea where yawp went. I couldn't figure out how to move those icons back to the right side.

I ended up moving .kde4 with a new name and logged out and back in to get a fresh panel.

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Ok I tried adding yawp to the bottom panel by double clicking the widget icon. I'm not sure what happen but all the icons (clock, notify, time/date) on the right hand side moved all the way over the left hand side on panel, and I have no idea where yawp went. I couldn't figure out how to move those icons back to the right side.

I ended up moving .kde4 with a new name and logged out and back in to get a fresh panel.

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That's happened to me before, too. Annoying, for sure, but not a big deal. Right-click on the taskbar (panel) or click on its little yellow cashew icon (on the far right). This will bring up the panel settings bar--and if you move your pointer over the items in your taskbar, you'll see it's now a...well, crap, I don't know what to call it, but it's not your usual pointer! When it's over an item you want to move, just drag the item and drop it where you want it. Repeat as necessary until everything's back where they belong. When you're done, exit from the settings panel to be back to normal.
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What about yaWP? When I double click it, I'm not sure what happen with it but it did something, so it seems. Maybe it's not enough room on the panel when adding yaWP.
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Wait...did you drag it to the place on your panel you want it? That's how I do mine. I've never double-clicked any widget--I drag/drop it where I want it in my panel.

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It's probably there, but needs its settings adjusted. Take your pointer and move slowly over the taskbar, paying attention to any tooltips that pop up. Do you see anything for yaWP? If so, right-click on it and choose "yaWP Settings," and then plunge in and start adjusting how it displays. I'll post my settings if you'd like--once we know it's actually in your panel! It can take up anywhere from a lot of room (not my cup of tea) to almost no room (yes!).

If it's not there, would you mind posting a screenshot of your panel?
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No, I haven't seen that, Nick. However, I don't do a lot of YouTube watching on the Chromebook. I may watch a video, or perhaps a couple, at a time, but that's about it. So it's not a good comparison.

Which browser are you using? I always stick with my favorite, SeaMonkey. Whichever browser it is, can you check its plugins and post its Flash version?
Current version of Flash for Linux should be 11.2.202.280, whereas the Mac and Windows versions are 11.9.900.117. Adobe have now discontinued any more Flash development for Linux, as they have for Android, mobile versions of Windows, Blackberry OS, etc. Sure Flash is a dying proprietary technology, it's days are numbered. Probably even the open source equivalents for Flash, like Gnash, are dying now, and further development stopping.

Any website these days that insists on Flash, ahem China Central TV should really get with the program and update accordingly....there should just not be the infamous Lego brick when viewing a site on an iOS device now, or Android for that matter.

BTW the BBC got into trouble a few years ago, with their original Windows only on-demand iPlayer software. They're a public broadcaster funded by the British public, so therefore they have to support "public" operating systems.. like GNU/Linux.

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Seems Chrome in Linux has the current Flash, 11.9.900.117, same as Mac and Windows. Google paying Adobe to keep development going but exclusive to their browser?
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Wait...did you drag it to the place on your panel you want it? That's how I do mine. I've never double-clicked any widget--I drag/drop it where I want it in my panel.


It's probably there, but needs its settings adjusted. Take your pointer and move slowly over the taskbar, paying attention to any tooltips that pop up. Do you see anything for yaWP? If so, right-click on it and choose "yaWP Settings," and then plunge in and start adjusting how it displays. I'll post my settings if you'd like--once we know it's actually in your panel! It can take up anywhere from a lot of room (not my cup of tea) to almost no room (yes!).

If it's not there, would you mind posting a screenshot of your panel?
I double clicked it to see what would happen.
I found out I can drag it on the desktop but for some reason it go through the motion of being put on the panel but never show up on it. Odd, I know!

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Have you tried dropping the link straight into the ~/Desktop folder?
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Yes, I have it on the desktop, it just will not show on the panel.

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Ah. That one is different...

As I recall, menu items fall under /user/share/applications

For the toolbar, it should be ~./local/share/applications
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Where are the actual apps and such stored? I recently installed a game through Steam that didn't play well and I cannot remove it as it was done through Steam and therefore doesn't show up in the Software Center to be removed. I uninstalled Steam but the game is still there. I get so confused with the UNIX filesystem. I can find cache, desktop shortcuts and config files but never can figure out where the apps are
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Here's a list of open source replacement programs if anyone can use it:

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To hazard a guess, I'd say ~/.steam
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Native. I found it and recovered the used disk space. It was hidden. /home/user/.steam
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Nice list. Thanks for sharing.

Funny story: I was perusing the list [which I assumed to contain only Linux stuff], and clicked on one of the items and initiated a download. Imagine my shock and horror when I realized it was going to download a window$ exe file!. I thought, oh my goodness, now I can tell Nick that I *HAVE* had that happen, i.e., where I chose a Linux version but it downloaded a window$ version.

Not quite--that particular product was only for window$. There was no Linux version. Indeed, the list--while nice!--does not consist of 'Linux only' apps.
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Funny story: I was perusing the list [which I assumed to contain only Linux stuff], and clicked on one of the items and initiated a download. Imagine my shock and horror when I realized it was going to download a window$ exe file!. I thought, oh my goodness, now I can tell Nick that I *HAVE* had that happen, i.e., where I chose a Linux version but it downloaded a window$ version.

Not quite--that particular product was only for window$. There was no Linux version. Indeed, the list--while nice!--does not consist of 'Linux only' apps.
There are some 'Linux only' apps on there though
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I know. It's just that I had assumed [and you know what they say about that!], from its title, that it was strictly Linux apps. It was only after the window$ file wanted to download that I realized it wasn't. Too bad, too, because the PDF editor app I wanted to download looked good!
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i think we can blame Google Chrome's buggy user agent strings for the improper downloads. it comes and goes. for some reason, some sites identify Chrome as 'Internet Explorer 8' which makes no sense.
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I have to disagree here. If I select a specific version, from a drop-down menu, for example, I don't see how my browser can tell the web site, "NO! don't give her THAT file, give her THIS one instead!" That doesn't make sense to me.

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I'm not seeing these issues
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Apparently it's only with me. just like i was the ONLY ONE who had issues with Android and lag not too long ago.
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Maybe there's some bizarre electrical interference nearby, or SOMETHING that makes your computers do weird things. It's like my phones not getting any reception at home--OTHER people's phones get reception in my house, but not mine. And some of those have AT&T just like I do! But in the 7 years since I moved back here, and I believe I'm on my...fifth? maybe sixth...phone since then, NONE of them has ever gotten a signal here.
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It's not that because the ONLY machine having problems runs Linux. the rest run either Mac OS X or Windows, or Android, or some proprietary interface (Sony PS3, Xbox 360, Google TV, smart TV) and run perfectly fine.

I like Linux but given how it makes things ten times harder to do than in Windows probably accounts for why it's not widely adopted by the masses. it's just NOT easy. if the app/game you want isn't in the software center, that's when it gets complicated. the way most distros lately dumb down and 'noob-protect' everything only makes it harder for true power users to do anything with it.

Even with the modern distributions today, there still remains this universal lack of any type of standard executable file. it's as fragmented as Android. it's either some very difficult to extract 'multi-nested' archive (still can't settle on Zip which astounds me) or it's an APK, or DEB, or FED, or whatever. there really needs to be a simpler method for those who were raised around Apple and Microsoft if anyone ever hopes to have them convert. no one who grew up with those systems is going to like Linux because it is that different. i sure the hell find it far more difficult and a lot more involved to do the same things i used to do in seconds in Windows.

then there is the serious lack of Game support. gamers like myself aren't going to give up Windows, which sadly is where the gaming is, just for some free software. it's not a worthy trade-off.

When someone who is used to, for 20+ years of double-clicking a EXE file and hitting 'next--next--next--agree--install--done!' tries to do the same thing in Linux, double-clicks a *.DEB and then the installer panics and says 'I'm Sorry, Dave, but i cannot do that' (or the actual message, often cryptic but meaning the same thing) what is the user going to think? "well, what the hell? it worked in Windows!"
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A few of the open source replacements for the expensive stuff are not really replacements. There's one about replacing Rosetta Stone, which is an excellent and very comprehensive, but expensive foreign language course. The free "replacement" is just something that gives a list of Chinese characters.

Although some of the open source educational software is actually quite good, like the Tux4Kids series.
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Huh?

Android you just install APKs, that's it, quite universal.
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Seems clear enough to me.
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...and if a website is mistaking that for IE8 on Windows and offering you EXEs. I would say there's a problem with the website, and not the browser.

BTW the user agent string for IE8 was a real convoluted mess. Much tidier with IE10 though.
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@Moody yeah on Android. but the thousands or millions of distros for laptops are not like that at all. they're very fragmented making it increasingly difficult to find the proper download. apparently, i done it wrong. i thought since i was running 12.04 LTS, that would be the proper *.deb for Skype. it produced an 'architecture not supported' and aborted. in Windows, it would successfully install. tell me, if you were some average joe, what would you think is easier? the only way i got Skype to work was by terminal hacking which took a half hour longer than it needed to be.

MikeDT had a similar problem with Chrome.
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@Moody yeah on Android. but the thousands or millions of distros for laptops are not like that at all. they're very fragmented making it increasingly difficult to find the proper download. apparently, i done it wrong. i thought since i was running 12.04 LTS, that would be the proper *.deb for Skype. it produced an 'architecture not supported' and aborted. in Windows, it would successfully install. tell me, if you were some average joe, what would you think is easier? the only way i got Skype to work was by terminal hacking which took a half hour longer than it needed to be.

MikeDT had a similar problem with Chrome.
Probably been fixed by now, although I haven't checked. TBH I think that was the only problem I've come across in the whole year I've been using Mint as my main OS. I installed the beta version of Chrome and that seems to be fine and is receiving updates. I did run into a problem with Netbeans a few days ago, in that it was throwing some error when building C++ code, but then the Windows version of Netbeans didn't work either apparently.

Which is more than can be said of my trying to use Windows 8 earlier this year, which I've posted about at length in the Windows 8 thread. Gave up in the end as a bad job. Plus also a couple of weeks ago, a rather frustrating day spent in a Beijing computer store to trying to make Win 8 work in English on a new Lenovo laptop, that an expat friend bought. The "techs" in the store just didn't have a clue. Most of my experience was centred around the geo-restricted product activation DRM crap, and Microsoft's policy of giving full co-operation to the Chinese communist government, with special PRC versions of most of their products. Apple doesn't do this, there's no special crippled govt. back door Chinese version of OS X or iOS or iWork, etc.

This one was just awesome..
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There's plenty of Linux distros that have government back doors, like I wouldn't exactly recommend Red Star OS from North Korea. But with a free OS rather than proprietary, you do have a choice if you wish to be spied on or not. If it wasn't for the trade embargoes and sanctions, I'm sure Micro$oft would give Pyongyang their full co-operation so that they could get Windows on PCs there, and make it purposely difficult to use a non-DPRK version. It's all about the $$$$ with them
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Wait, did I respond? Nick, I think you think you're replying to me, but unless my four remaining functioning brain cells have zonked out on me, I don't think so!

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But--as I've mentioned before--on my identical Acer model Chromebook (and see the screenshots I posted earlier), I stepped through--making sure I chose the same file you had--and got exactly what I expected. Somehow, some way we need to figure out why your experience is so wildly different from mine [and others].

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Really? SUCCESSFULLY? Let's assume for a moment that the error message was actually correct, and that the version you selected wasn't for your computer's architecture. So window$ would 'successfully' install it anyway, right? Tell me how many zillions of times window$ would crash afterward? Perhaps with no indication that the incorrect architecture program was the culprit? Just random crashes, freezings, BSODs, etc.? Just because something installs, doesn't mean it's going to run without problems. And on window$...well...yeah.

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Since I've never had these types of issues, I honestly don't know. And since I'm not an average Joe [when it comes to *nix experience], that only complicates my hypothesizing. But...

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And I didn't. On the SAME exact brand/model/OS computer. So I don't know!

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I'm having a brain fart right now, so will look back before commenting about this.
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@Moody yeah on Android. but the thousands or millions of distros for laptops are not like that at all. they're very fragmented making it increasingly difficult to find the proper download. apparently, i done it wrong. i thought since i was running 12.04 LTS, that would be the proper *.deb for Skype. it produced an 'architecture not supported' and aborted. in Windows, it would successfully install. tell me, if you were some average joe, what would you think is easier? the only way i got Skype to work was by terminal hacking which took a half hour longer than it needed to be.

MikeDT had a similar problem with Chrome.
I don't understand, why didn't you install from the software center?

Also, you could have chosen "Dynamic" which downloads a tarball you could then extract to somewhere
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Because it was absent from Software Center--presumably because in a way similar to Google Play Store, 'incompatible' apps/games are omitted in the search results

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However...

But--as I've mentioned before--on my identical Acer model Chromebook (and see the screenshots I posted earlier), I stepped through--making sure I chose the same file you had--and got exactly what I expected. Somehow, some way we need to figure out why your experience is so wildly different from mine [and others].


Really? SUCCESSFULLY? Let's assume for a moment that the error message was actually correct, and that the version you selected wasn't for your computer's architecture. So window$ would 'successfully' install it anyway, right? Tell me how many zillions of times window$ would crash afterward? Perhaps with no indication that the incorrect architecture program was the culprit? Just random crashes, freezings, BSODs, etc.? Just because something installs, doesn't mean it's going to run without problems. And on window$...well...yeah.


Since I've never had these types of issues, I honestly don't know. And since I'm not an average Joe [when it comes to *nix experience], that only complicates my hypothesizing. But...


And I didn't. On the SAME exact brand/model/OS computer. So I don't know!


I'm having a brain fart right now, so will look back before commenting about this.
Windows doesn't care if you're running 32-bit software on a 64-bit system. apparently, Linux does. that was (i think) why its overzealous installer aborted. besides, it was the 'multi arch' 12.04 install *.deb so i fail to grasp why it still produced that particular error, forcing me to search for a workaround online and requiring me to add-apt repository and make it work. i find that i have to do that often on certain apps/games. that is, if i want to do more than browse the web and write documents in OpenOffice, which i would guess is the main use of most Linux systems--basic computer. i am a gamer. i am an app fiend. i download/install things. when i try and fail doing it the 'official' way in Linux (either by using Software Center/Synaptic or by downloading the file and opening it) or if the program complains about 'you held broken packages' or crashes on load, it's a test of my patience to hack this, edit that, add-apt this, apt-get install -f that, until i eventually get it working. i DO GET IT WORKING. but it takes far TOO LONG to accomplish compared with the same attempt done in Windows or Mac OS X.

I shouldn't be blaming Linux though. it's got to be an Ubuntu thing. i have had your luck and NEVER had issues with VectorLinux 6 (the non-noob'd version) and my problems seemed to have begun with my attempts to use *buntu. oh, i can do your cube thing, change endless options/themes in KDE, i can install KDE or any DE, i can enable root logins, dump to a terminal, do tons. unfortunately, app installs are one of the caveats i've had to experience in this distro. it appears to be some noob-protection to keep folks from messing up their system. basically, protecting the user from him/herself. that's a Microsoft policy that makes Windows 8 a total pain to use. i still wonder if it's possible to run another distro in a VM inside another distro. like, since Ubuntu 12.04 is the only supported distro for the Chromebook (Acer) is it possible to run a VM, from that system, to use VL 6 in a VM environment? so i can at least get my system back?
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You know, its gotta be a reality distortion field from a nearby apple device causing the problem. One of my friends is a hardcore Mac user and -no joke- my Win8 install literally, completely imploded the second he walked over to see what I was working on.
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Windows doesn't care if you're running 32-bit software on a 64-bit system.
I do remember there was a major and much publicised(at the time) issue with Adobe Flash not working with 64-bit Windows.
How do i get Adobe Flash player on windows 7 with a 64-bit - Microsoft Community

Users had to get their geek on and switch to the 32-bit version of IE by quite a bit of hackery. and then hope that Adobe would eventually make Flash compatible with the native 64-bit version. Again this is a problem with proprietary software, if Adobe or whomever wasn't interested or unwilling to make their software 64-bit compatible, then hard luck.

64-bit Windows did actually break quite a bit of hardware, like some printers and scanners, because of the requirement that it only work with signed certified drivers. Device manufacturer doesn't make the drivers and submit them to Microsoft for certification, hardware is just not going to work. Also 64-bit Windows might need 64-bit drivers, and if they're not available, because the product is "end of lifed" ..hello Creative Labs...then again...hard luck!!

These days most computers come with 64-bit Windows. But if you got some legacy proprietary software or hardware that isn't compatible, you might be out of luck.
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Because it was absent from Software Center--presumably because in a way similar to Google Play Store, 'incompatible' apps/games are omitted in the search results



you lost me at 'tarball'
Hang on, this is coming from someone who has the Linux mascot "Tux" as his avatar, along with the words "Make mine Linux"

Here's a Windows FAQ for you Nick, and I've even heard this one on mainstream radio..The Tech Guy with Leo Laporte... "How do I open this .RAR file I downloaded?" ...BTW Mac OS X can't open .RAR either, not without installing a third party app.

"Tarbomb" now there's a good word of the day.
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