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Old November 2nd, 2013, 05:59 PM   #1551 (permalink)
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Christmas Humor


There's plenty more on this site. Figured Moody et al would get a big kick.




The Twelve Days of UNIX

Lyrics: Evan Leibovitch [evan@telly.on.ca]

Dedicated to Dave Mason, Chris Siebenmann, and anyone who's left their computers
alone just long enough for them to self-destruct:

On the first day I left it, my Unix gave to me:
A burnt-out V.D.T.

On the second day I left it, my Unix gave to me:
Two faulty tapes;
And a burnt-out V.D.T.

On the third day I left it, my Unix gave to me:
Three heads crashed;
Two faulty tapes;
And a burnt-out V.D.T.

On the fourth day I left it, my Unix gave to me:
Four bad blocks;
Three heads crashed;
Two faulty tapes;
And a burnt-out V.D.T.

On the fifth day I left it, my Unix gave to me:
Five core dumps;
Four bad blocks;
Three heads crashed;
Two faulty tapes;
And a burnt-out V.D.T.

On the sixth day I left it, my Unix gave to me:
Six bad controllers;
Five core dumps;
Four bad blocks;
Three heads crashed;
Two faulty tapes;
And a burnt-out V.D.T.

On the seventh day I left it, my Unix gave to me:
Seven blown partitions;
Six bad controllers;
Five core dumps;
Four bad blocks;
Three heads crashed;
Two faulty tapes;
And a burnt-out V.D.T.

On the eighth day I left it, my Unix gave to me:
Eight gettys dying;
Seven blown partitions;
Six bad controllers;
Five core dumps;
Four bad blocks;
Three heads crashed;
Two faulty tapes;
And a burnt-out V.D.T.

On the ninth day I left it, my Unix gave to me:
Nine floppies frying;
Eight gettys dying;
Seven blown partitions;
Six bad controllers;
Five core dumps;
Four bad blocks;
Three heads crashed;
Two faulty tapes;
And a burnt-out V.D.T.

On the tenth day I left it, my Unix gave to me:
Ten ports a-jamming;
Nine floppies frying;
Eight gettys dying;
Seven blown partitions;
Six bad controllers;
Five core dumps;
Four bad blocks;
Three heads crashed;
Two faulty tapes;
And a burnt-out V.D.T.

On the eleventh day I left it, my Unix gave to me:
Eleven chips a-smoking;
Ten ports a-jamming;
Nine floppies frying;
Eight gettys dying;
Seven blown partitions;
Six bad controllers;
Five core dumps;
Four bad blocks;
Three heads crashed;
Two faulty tapes;
And a burnt-out V.D.T.

On the twelfth day I left it, my Unix gave to me:
Twelve boards a-blowing;
Eleven chips a-smoking;
Ten ports a-jamming;
Nine floppies frying;
Eight gettys dying;
Seven blown partitions;
Six bad controllers;
Five core dumps;
Four bad blocks;
Three heads crashed;
Two faulty tapes;
And a burnt-out V.D.T.



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Yes indeed! Thanks for this--and for the memories. I remember "getty keeps dying" and the occasional core dump, and a few others. Ah, the good old days.
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that is true, which makes me curious why so many are so anti-ChromeOS and pro-Ubuntu lately.
I'm not anti-Chrome OS, but I know it's basically just a browser. It would be of rather limited use here, because many of Google's cloud services are unavailable, or occasionally United States only. Also can't guarantee good fast unlimited internet access. But then Chromebooks are not officially available in China. But on the other hand I could take Mint or Ubuntu, and remove pretty much everything, LibreOffice, Skype, GIMP, education software, games, leaving just the Google Chrome browser. I think that would give me an idea what it would be like to use. Any productivity, or teaching, or talking to my friends on-line.....forget it. I could probably use Chrome OS at home, for browsing, listening to streamed music and watching streamed TV. But for work, travel and general out and about usage, it would be NO.

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here's another mystery. why are so many Linux geeks so anti-OS X? isn't it built off of UNIX? or another one, why so many Linux geeks hate UNIX? seems hypocritical since neither are Microsoft, and all of them are so like each other.
I'm not anti-OS X, however I'm strongly anti-Apple pricing model though and their brand whore Gucci like image they convey. If Linux didn't do everything I require, I'd actually consider making a Lenovo OS X Hackintosh laptop. I have a Macbook that was given to me, but I certainly wouldn't go out and spend the equivalent of $2000 for one. And I have absolutely no desire to use anything Windows, this year has left a rather sour taste in my mouth about Micro$oft. Skype seems to be OK, as long as not using the spyware PRC version. Although apparently the NSA with PRISM have complete access to everything going through Skype...but that's going OT.
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This sums it up for me as well. Very nicely done Mike.
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Here's an error message that made me chuckle just now....

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0.0.17-3_i386.deb  Something wicked happened resolving '192.168.31.10:7001?url=http:http' (-11 - System error)
Yeh, my internet going down is rather wicked.
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Here's an error message that made me chuckle just now....

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Yeh, my internet going down is rather wicked.
Heh, if only it happened on Halloween night. Then it'd be thematically appropriate!
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Well, fixing the Software Sources cured my broken packages issue, and xfce downloaded, so now I have Thunar.

yay

That will help me simplify my renaming of music files (essentially, stripping out the artist names and underlines), and I can concentrate and converting some 147 .wma files to .mp3...

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That will help me simplify my renaming of music files (essentially, stripping out the artist names and underlines), and I can concentrate and converting some 147 .wma files to .mp3...

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write a script using ffmpeg to convert them over for you.
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MikeDT, yeah, you could strip out everything and be left with a sortie equivalent of ChromeOS, except the Linux Flash Player overheat bug would still be there. i am not sure why it doesn't happen in ChromeOS, but Ubuntu seems to keep taxing the CPU for some reason. NO computer, linux or otherwise, should be running at 160*F plus just playing YouTube. Games, perhaps, if not up to the task, but not YouTube.

I am also not sure how ChromeOS, essentially Linux, gets around the Silverlight requirement for Netflix. Ubuntu can't even do it yet.
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MikeDT, yeah, you could strip out everything and be left with a sortie equivalent of ChromeOS, except the Linux Flash Player overheat bug would still be there. i am not sure why it doesn't happen in ChromeOS, but Ubuntu seems to keep taxing the CPU for some reason. NO computer, linux or otherwise, should be running at 160*F plus just playing YouTube. Games, perhaps, if not up to the task, but not YouTube.

I am also not sure how ChromeOS, essentially Linux, gets around the Silverlight requirement for Netflix. Ubuntu can't even do it yet.
No Linux OS will do that, including Chrome OS. Microsoft Silverlight is Windows or Mac only. There was the Moonlight project, which was an open source equivalent for proprietary Silverlight, but I'm sure that's abandoned now. Because it couldn't do the one thing that would make it useful for things like Netflix, the dreaded Digital Restrictions Management, that the MPAA and Hollywood insists upon. DRM is not really possible to do because of the nature of open source software, there's no secrets and can't really hide anything. Microsoft could do Silverlight for Linux if they wanted. They do Skype for Linux. Although this is academic for me, because nothing around here uses Silverlight and/or has DRM.

The BBC got into a spot of trouble a few years ago when they first launched their online viewing service, iPlayer, because it used Silverlight. The UK government basically said, the BBC is a public broadcaster funded by public money, the TV license fee, so therefore has to support public operating systems like Linux. Netflix on the other hand being a private corporation can do what it likes. Apparently it's Hollywood that insists on Silverlight, because of the apparently secure DRM it has, or quite possibly there's some kickback going on between the studios, Netflix and Micro$oft.
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MikeDT, i was using Netflix on ChromeOS without problems. i just added the Chrome Webapp for it and it played normally. not sure if that works in Ubuntu though.
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If it's using a webapp it should work without problem in Ubuntu, or any OS for that matter that has Google Chrome. I can't test it for myself, because there's no Netflix here. Webapps are actually browser extensions or plugins that get installed into the browser? CCTV uses one to play their streaming TV and on-demand programs.
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is it possible to add-apt repository from say, Vector, SuSE or some other distro?
It is possible to include Debian's repository to install certain pacakages that are not in yours. If you try this, and it installs without issues, comment out the repository once done installing the software. I would say try Debian's unstable (Sid) since Ubuntu is based on Sid.
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Since Silverlight is proprietary and if Chrome is not using Moonlight, linux equivalent, then Google probably paying MS to use it.
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Saptech i was, again, not speaking of installing software from another distro. i was specifically referring to installing another distro via Synaptic that isn't Ubuntu-based. that would involve adding that Distro's repo, obviously. i heard Synaptic can install distros on top or in replacement of another distro, at least, that is implied by Moody who can get Kubuntu 13.04 on a Chromebook when the only supported (officially) distro is ChrUbuntu 12.04 LTS

The Chromebook BIOS doesn't support init.rd and vmlinuz at boot. ChrUbuntu gets around it by allowing ChromeOS's kernel to boot and it loads after it, so instead of ChromeOS, you get Ubuntu. unfortunately, no how-to exists online for how to get SuSE, Fedora, or another distro on the thing. i am sure it's possible but it would have to be done some odd way, like through Synaptic if possible.
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Ok, sorry, I see what you're saying now. Googling, did bring up this about Debian, but you will go through some hoops. You probably seen it already.

Re: How to install Debian Wheezy on the Acer C7 Chromebook?

Keep in mind, Debian has the biggest repositories of all linux, that is one reason I like using it, but not currently.
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isn't Ubuntu Debian-based?

EDIT: that's just a newsgroup of folks asking how, not a how-to. there is no answer as of yet. a few replies ask 'why don't you want Ubuntu' and some are just repeated over and over.

I also have the SSD in my C7, so the article wouldn't apply for me.
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Yes it is, so is Mint but they use their own repositories. Debian follows the strict open source philosophy, meaning not including non-free software, but one can add repository for non-free software.
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oh, so i'd be stuck in the same boat i was in before by not being able to install some apps. no thanks. one reason i am trying a non-Ubuntu approach is because of their crappy philosophy. i had a hell of a time installing Skype, which was a FREE app, because of them.

My goal is for a more common distro like Fedora, SuSE or Vector. those at least are not dumbed down like Ubuntu. i'll go back to ChromeOS until they can get a proper distro in there.
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No Linux OS will do that, including Chrome OS. Microsoft Silverlight is Windows or Mac only. There was the Moonlight project, which was an open source equivalent for proprietary Silverlight, but I'm sure that's abandoned now. Because it couldn't do the one thing that would make it useful for things like Netflix, the dreaded Digital Restrictions Management, that the MPAA and Hollywood insists upon. DRM is not really possible to do because of the nature of open source software, there's no secrets and can't really hide anything. Microsoft could do Silverlight for Linux if they wanted. They do Skype for Linux. Although this is academic for me, because nothing around here uses Silverlight and/or has DRM.

The BBC got into a spot of trouble a few years ago when they first launched their online viewing service, iPlayer, because it used Silverlight. The UK government basically said, the BBC is a public broadcaster funded by public money, the TV license fee, so therefore has to support public operating systems like Linux. Netflix on the other hand being a private corporation can do what it likes. Apparently it's Hollywood that insists on Silverlight, because of the apparently secure DRM it has, or quite possibly there's some kickback going on between the studios, Netflix and Micro$oft.
Roku is Linux-based, and they can play Netflix. So, there is a way to do it... as far as I know, though, no one has hacked the relevant parts out of a Roku to find a way around the problem for the rest of us.

There used to be a wine-based hack to run Netflix in Ubuntu, but I don't know if the repository works anymore.
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oh, so i'd be stuck in the same boat i was in before by not being able to install some apps. no thanks. one reason i am trying a non-Ubuntu approach is because of their crappy philosophy. i had a hell of a time installing Skype, which was a FREE app, because of them.

My goal is for a more common distro like Fedora, SuSE or Vector. those at least are not dumbed down like Ubuntu. i'll go back to ChromeOS until they can get a proper distro in there.
Debian's repository is huge. It comes with over 37,500 packages, precompiled software bundled up in a nice format for easy installation. Fedora has same philosophy as Debian and the others. The key is adding the non-free software repository.

Good luck!
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Nick, it's strange you had a hard time with Skype using Ubuntu, even Skype's website have it available to download for Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora & OpenSuse.

I haven't installed Skype but with my distro (Mageia) I would have to go through hoops, but I'm sure it's doable.
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So, out of curiosity, what is everyone's favorite distro?
Ubuntu 10.04 LTS for the win!

I run a triple-boot setup: 2 installs of WinXP Pro SP3 (one for daily use, the other a stripped-down install that I use for transcoding video & audio), and 1 install of Ubuntu 10.04.

I've been reading everyone's comments regarding a growing dislike for Ubuntu and I agree, at least when it comes to the newer versions. I tried Ubuntu 11 & 12 and found them entirely unusable. I'm probably too used to GNOME desktop. The new interfaces were completely non-user-friendly (for me, anyway) and I did give the "new" version of GNOME a try but it was nothing like 10.04.

When I worked at a PC repair shop, we used Kubuntu 12.04 as a default OS if a customer didn't purchase Windows. It's been a while since I used Kubuntu on my own PC but I *really* liked it. Took some getting used to after running Ubuntu/GNOME for so long, but I found it to be extremely user-friendly. I even installed it on a laptop that I fixed up for my sister.
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I have a dual boot setup with Mageia 3 and SalixOS. Mga is based on Mandriva/Mandrake and Salix is based on Slackware.

Mga is running Gnome 3 & KDE4, Salix is running Xfce4, and I always have Openbox installed for my main usage.
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Nick, it's strange you had a hard time with Skype using Ubuntu, even Skype's website have it available to download for Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora & OpenSuse.

I haven't installed Skype but with my distro (Mageia) I would have to go through hoops, but I'm sure it's doable.

I know their website has it. i tried downloading the multi arch 12.04 *.deb and the package installer aborted saying 'Architecture not supported' and exited. i then tried going to Ubuntu Software Center and it wasn't listed. then tried Synaptic and it gave me multiple issues and said 'this package requires [insert dependencies here], click ok to install them' and i did, then it aborted saying they were not installable. i ended up having to hack the crap out of the system files to 'allow' the install. took a half hour longer than it needed to.

In VectorLinux 6, all i need to do is go to a terminal, type 'slapt-get -i Skype' and it downloads, installs it and any dependencies. tried that in Ubuntu after the above (before the hacking) and it said 'no such package: Skype' and quit. stupid noob protection

I haven't given up on it yet though, i don't want to wipe it and put ChromeOS on again if i can avoid it, but i'm still trying to track down the YouTube CPU Overheat bug i've been having, currently the ONLY issue left.

I had been saving this one for a side project, after fixing the overheat bug, but i installed VirtualBox (which is easier when removing the noob protection) and have planned to try Vector 6 in a VM, but haven't decided to go through with it just yet.

i managed to strip out just about as much as i can from Ubuntu but removing anything else would remove parts that i use, like it says it would remove Kubuntu-Desktop or Ubuntu-Desktop which both are required. i need parts of Unity to login as no matter what, it won't default to kdm as a default login shell, and losing that Unity part would kill logins. losing KDE would not be acceptable either. not sure why it thinks Okular for example is required by KDE though. but i have only got 2GB left, not sure if Vector can fit in that.
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i heard Synaptic can install distros on top or in replacement of another distro, at least, that is implied by Moody who can get Kubuntu 13.04 on a Chromebook when the only supported (officially) distro is ChrUbuntu 12.04 LTS
I worked no magic on that, Nick. I simply installed U 12.04 via the ChrUbuntu method, then as soon as that was installed I went to Synaptic and installed K 13.04. It was just THERE. I didn't add it, I didn't tweak anything, it was just there.

Have you looked in your Synaptic? And do you have its settings to "Always prefer the highest version"?

Under Settings | Preferences | Distribution | Prefer versions from:, what are your choices? Although I did not fiddle with that at all--I simply did what I always do, set "Always prefer the highest version,"--I'm looking at it now and see both Precise and Raring among its choices. You should, too.
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Yay! Someone using an old[er] version! I still have 9.04 running on one of my computers.

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As much as I love *buntu, I cannot use Ubuntu. I truly detest that whole Unity desktop thing...and GNOME before that...ugh. But!

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I'm the resident Kubuntu pusher around here! All my computers run Kubuntu, ranging from the aforementioned 9.04 up to 13.04. I LOVE it! It's so beautiful and so endlessly customizable, and can be set up exactly how *I* want it. Nudge, nudge, give it a try!
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Moody, i know you can install other Ubuntu Distros just by your experience alone. i'm trying to get something NON-Ubuntu related. is it possible to install SuSE, Fedora or something else through Synaptic? the VM method won't work as i'm flat out of storage.

Later i'll take apart the Chomebook and see if it's possible to put a hard disk in there, or at least, more RAM. my YouTube issue seems to crop up when memory dips to 3/4 used up, and only 65MB remaining. my guess is that there is a memory leak in the flash plugin. haven't tested lately as i have just done an apt-get upgrade so i haven't found out if they patched it. will find out later tonight. i'm watching some more Mayday: Air Crash Investigation shows.

If i had a choice, i'd put old Feisty Fawn on there. tried it awhile back (over a year ago) but it wouldn't support my wifi on any machine. i like distros named after deer!
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Synaptic is a graphical package manager. It doesn't install other distros (at least not that I know of)
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that isn't the same thing. sure, you can tack on the Kubuntu components but you still have Unity and the rest of the bloat hanging around. Moody not only got rid of it, but she got a higher version, all through Synaptic. I'm going to try that later, i literally have nothing to lose. all my important things on that laptop are on Drive.
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I know, Nick. See my earlier replies about my guess that other distros' repositories might not be formatted like *buntu's. My most recent reply only referred to this:
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oh, so i'd be stuck in the same boat i was in before by not being able to install some apps. no thanks. one reason i am trying a non-Ubuntu approach is because of their crappy philosophy. i had a hell of a time installing Skype, which was a FREE app, because of them.
It's not only crappy philosophy. There's law and intellectual property issues as well, e.g. the DMCA in the United States. Where you can be thrown in jail just for distributing an open source DVD player, e.g. one that than skip the FBI warnings or uses LibDVDCSS, because it breaks DRM. It maybe unlawful and copyright infringement to re-distribute Skype, not without the express permission of Micro$oft. Skype is not free as in open source, it's only free of cost, the ol' free speech vs free beer thing, i.e. Gratis versus libre.

Skype business EULA.
4.4 Restrictions. You have no right to and shall not (and shall ensure that Your Administrators and Business Users shall not): (a) copy or modify the Skype Software, except to the extent expressly permitted by applicable law; (b) transfer, sublicense, lease, lend, rent or otherwise distribute the Skype Software.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libdvdcss
"Many GNU/Linux distributions do not contain libdvdcss (for example Debian, Fedora, SUSE Linux, and Ubuntu) due to fears of running afoul of DMCA-style laws,"
i.e. they don't wish to run the risks of being slapped with a $2,000,000 fine and/or 20 years in a federal prison.
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Roku is Linux-based, and they can play Netflix. So, there is a way to do it... as far as I know, though, no one has hacked the relevant parts out of a Roku to find a way around the problem for the rest of us.
More than likely that's proprietary software supplied by Neftlix for the Roku player. There's a Netflix Android app, which is also Linux based of course.

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Here it is, the guts of an Acer C7 Chromebook. There IS a hard disk slot, for what appears to be an SATA hard disk, albeit occupied by the SSD currently. My question is, if I remove the SSD and replace it with a hard drive, how would I get ChromeOS back, and replace it with Linux again? With an actual hard disk, I'd be able to boot Vector Linux with a VM and space would no longer be an issue.

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Clone the SSD to the replacement hard drive using a separate machine?
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How would that work when there's no means of restoring said clone onto the Chromebook after the fact? The media card reader isn't supported as a boot device due the limitations of the Chromebook BIOS. Like booting a Linux hard disk in another machine, cloning it via another computer would likely write the hardware configuration of the other computer onto the image, which of course, would not boot on the Chromebook. I hope the recovery image is stored somewhere else so all I have to do is pop hard disk in, turn it on, hit space to restore OS verification, and done!

EDIT: it does, apparently, accept the additional 2GB DDR3 RAM Memory upgrade I just placed into it though. Linux now says it has a total of 4GB over the previous 2GB
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No, what I am saying is use a cloning tool to copy, bit for bit, the contents of the SSD to the new drive. To do this, you would need a machine with at least two SATA ports.

Because you are cloning the entire SSD, the machine should see the new drive as a legitimate part of the system; it just magically has more capacity than it used to.
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https://support.google.com/chromebook/answer/1080595?hl=en

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/chromebook-central/b5j7X0beNwA

I know you hate having to look at Chrome but I still think that crouton provides more options than ChrUbuntu and you'll certainly have the resources.
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External hard drive? Plugged in via USB port? I don't know.
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There has to be an easier way to get a non-Ubuntu variant on this thing
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Easier than the crouton links I posted?
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Well i found one method to get VectorLinux 6 back. i broke out the old Dell D610 and installed it, and now it's nice to be back in a REAL Linux again, with root logins, terminal logins out of box, and an actual properly working package manager. sometime in the future i'll figure out how to make a real hard disk work in my Chromebook so i can use a VM to run Vector. Vector remains to this day my fav distro.

Crouton runs ChrUbuntu in a VM, meaning slower and less reliable. i'd prefer a real linux running natively if possible. if i could only get Vector to install on the Chromebook like it did the Dell. Vector is so, well, EASY. maybe it's that i'm sort of a power user of Linux and perhaps Ubuntu is too dumbed down and protective to allow me to do things i like to do. but i can do Vector config in my sleep

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Crouton runs chroot, and isn't ChrUbuntu.

As for VMs being slower and less reliable, ymmv.

But if you don't want it, you don't want it.
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Well Mike must have made everyone hungry cause it got silent in here
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So nice to have Vector back. got the latest Firefox in there, flash player, Mad Mike's Radio in VLC, everything WORKS. had some fun in the terminal and got Mutt to sync with my Gmail account. i dunno, i just love the more 'traditional' approach to Linux than Ubuntu's noob approach.

HOWEVER, still got the overheat bug. it appears to be distro non-specific. even the Dell gets VERY hot running YouTube. CPU usage skyrockets. it seems when RAM dips below 65MB remaining this happens. only, it hasn't officially overheated as it continued playing and didn't freeze, but Linux's application of Flash Player appears to be buggy in the latest builds. not sure why though.
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