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I had a Greek salad last night--that I added garlic croutons to. I couldn't help it, what with Mike's comment and everything!
Oh garlic croutons.. I do like those. yum.
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But I thought since Linux is often mentioned along with the word 'flavors,' that meant it had something to do with food.

My favourite flavour of Linux is Mint. Don't know about anyone else, but I sometimes feel a bit peckish after reading about versions of Android.
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So nice to have Vector back. got the latest Firefox in there, flash player, Mad Mike's Radio in VLC, everything WORKS. had some fun in the terminal and got Mutt to sync with my Gmail account. i dunno, i just love the more 'traditional' approach to Linux than Ubuntu's noob approach.

HOWEVER, still got the overheat bug. it appears to be distro non-specific. even the Dell gets VERY hot running YouTube. CPU usage skyrockets. it seems when RAM dips below 65MB remaining this happens. only, it hasn't officially overheated as it continued playing and didn't freeze, but Linux's application of Flash Player appears to be buggy in the latest builds. not sure why though.
Could be whether it's using proper hardware video acceleration, or is just using software. I'm sure if Flash is using software rendering it can be quite inefficient and CPU intensive. Which is probably down to video drivers. There is an option in Flash to use hardware acceleration or not, but if the driver is not supporting it, it won't make any difference. If the Linux builds of Flash are buggy, nobody can fix it, apart from Adobe. A major disadvantage of proprietary software.

I find Flash video on my older Macbook to be inefficient and does heat things up, but not enough to cause real problems, just the fans run flat out. If I'm playing video with VLC or QuickTime on the Mac, things stay cool. Sure it's Adobe, they just don't seem to be able to produce efficient software sometimes....ahem... Adobe Reader.

TBH I hate Flash, a nasty proprietary thing. It's pretty much dead on mobile, soon as is goes away from the desktop OS the better IMO. I don't particularly trust Adobe either...http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57605962-83/adobe-hacked-3-million-accounts-compromised/#!

BTW Mutt? Last week you were objecting and protesting about using the terminal in Ubuntu and saying it's much quicker in Windows to get things done. And now you're hacking in the terminal "fun" to get Mutt to work with Gmail, and don't seem to mind? I know what Mutt is, I'm not that hardcore myself. Don't have that much spare time.
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My favourite flavour of Linux is Mint. Don't know about anyone else, but I sometimes feel a bit peckish after reading about versions of Android.
Have anybody tried Pear Linux or Peppermint? Yum yum eatem up!
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I'm with you Mike, I didn't know you could hack Mutt to work with Gmail. I may give it shot when I have some extra time. I have enough projects I'm working, including setting up my own mail server to send/receive mail from the internet.
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BTW Mutt? Last week you were objecting and protesting about using the terminal in Ubuntu and saying it's much quicker in Windows to get things done. And now you're hacking in the terminal "fun" to get Mutt to work with Gmail, and don't seem to mind? I know what Mutt is, I'm not that hardcore myself. Don't have that much spare time.
I hadn't even THOUGHT about mutt in ages. SeaMonkey's e-mail client does everything I need, plus tons of stuff I want, so that's what I use.
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MikeDT, i actually like Vector's terminal. i said before, i don't hate the terminal at all. i hate being forced to use the terminal to fix a GUI app that shouldn't be malfunctioning.

Remember, i've had experience with Vector since that used to be my go-to distro a year or so back. i know all its tricks, all its bugs, and know how to work around every single one of them. Mutt might come off complicated to some noob these days, but i easily got Gmail to sync with it. i'm a VectorMan

Vector has a pretty damn powerful terminal with tons of useful apps that can either be installed or are preinstalled. Midnight Commander makes an excellent file explorer and Mutt is a pretty neat email program if you've come from the old days of DOS internet. nostalgia more than anything. it's on a D610, which isn't very up to spec so terminal is preferable over slow X Windows and KDE 3.5. VLC actually works on this machine.

Flash player has this same overheating bug regardless of whether hardware acceleration is on or off. Vector appears to perform better however with it off rather than on. with it on, i occasionally get audio without video, or video with skippy audio. Again, this is a D610 we're talking about. a computer that still has a dial-up modem and PCMCIA slots.

Ubuntu appears to prefer the GUI over anything else. it doesn't allow root logins out of the box the way Vector does, and takes hacking to make it work. it also has a very annoying form of User Account Control that is not easy to disable. it's noob-ified. Vector takes a more traditional linux approach and isn't all about protecting the user from him/herself. it lets you install anything. VLC was deemed non-compatible ironically but i was able to easily make it work. just add the --nodep flag and away i went. works fine. Ubuntu would abort probably saying something stupid like 'architecture not supported' or 'you held broken packages'. Ubuntu's package manager terminal or GUI refuses to ignore dependencies.

The trick is getting Vector 6 to run on the Chromebook. it's not at its best on the D610. Vector 7 and SOHO are all noobified like Ubuntu has been. i prefer 6. apparently the last 'traditional' linux currently available but i have not tried SuSE yet.

Challenge: get Mutt to sync with Gmail. it's not hard really, you just find some pre-written .muttrc file online somewhere set up for Gmail's IMAP support and just enter your user name and passwords where it is in all caps in the file, save it in the folder and done!

Whether or not i'm using the terminal or the GUI, in Vector i can get things done in half the time it takes to do it on *buntu. Moody has her *buntu love, my love is VectorLinux.
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MikeDT, i actually like Vector's terminal. i said before, i don't hate the terminal at all. i hate being forced to use the terminal to fix a GUI app that shouldn't be malfunctioning.
It will continue to baffle me that your experience with *buntu is so diametrically opposed to mine.

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Changing "false" to "true" in one file doesn't a hack make, at least in my opinion. *shrug*

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I'm no noob, and it's definitely not noob-ified for me! As I've said before, it's as easy or geeky as the user wants it to be. Also, keep in mind that many window$ converts start with *buntu, and *buntu knows this. They wanted to make it accessible and uncomplicated enough so that a typical clueless window$ user could install it and be up and running in minutes. Hence its variety of choices, such as automatic vs manual decision making on disk usage during installation. Someone like me always chooses to do it manually--because I know what I'm doing, I understand *nix partitioning schemes, I want my hard drive partitioned a specific way, etc. But a new user, coming over from window$, doesn't NEED to know any of that. They can simply choose to let the installation proceed automatically with those decisions.

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There are many great things about Linux, but certainly at the top of the list must go: CHOICE. We have the ability to choose the distribution(s) we like best. Vector seems to do the trick for you, and that's great.

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Honestly, if I had as much trouble with *buntu as you do, it probably WOULDN'T be my favorite.
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Challenge: get Mutt to sync with Gmail. it's not hard really, you just find some pre-written .muttrc file online somewhere set up for Gmail's IMAP support and just enter your user name and passwords where it is in all caps in the file, save it in the folder and done!
So it's using traditional IMAP. I do Gmail in the browser, but I've got multi-factor authentication enabled via Google Authenticator on my phone. Or it can send an SMS and can login to Gmail that way. Rather than logging in with just a username and password. Basically for additional security, to avoid the risks of being hacked.


BTW does anyone use Lynx? Which is a web browser that works in the terminal.
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Links (not Lynx) works best in my experience, i had one setup going with Vector (Pentium III, very slow CPU, couldn't handle X that well) where Links had a graphical mode (lynx is strictly text only) and i had it working with a mouse, graphics everything via the Linux fbdev graphics setup. it could only handle a 256 color palette so either that was a limitation of my graphics card itself or the Linux frame buffer, not sure which is the truth though to be honest. it worked well but some images online did look like crap as this is an era of high and true color these days. for general Facebook and HTML versions of Gmail, it worked well enough.

That particular setup, though disassembled now (although the hard disks are intact and saved in case i chose to rebuild it) had almost everything doable in a terminal. Mutt, Links graphical browsing, MP3 playback, even video playback all through the terminal. (i used to save YouTube videos as a MP4 and play them offline through the terminal as the machine couldn't handle Flash streaming all that well.) X could manage web browsing via Firefox but anything using Flash would slow it down to an almost unusable state. i had a Firefox extension to download YouTube videos though, so i later played them back in terminal mode. often by switching to another via Ctrl-Alt-F2 or Ctrl-Alt-Backspace killing X and then using it. that's another thing i cannot do on the chrome book. not sure if it's a different combo but i cannot Ctrl-Alt-Backspace kill X. it seems that maybe X is not killable.
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I'm often saving Youtube, Tudou and Youku MP4 and FLV videos for offline viewing, basically because there's no Internet in the classrooms and I might want to show the students, video clips. I use a video downloader plug-in for Firefox. BTW this is for educational purposes in China, so perfectly legal AFAIK, i.e. I'm not stealing copyrighted materials.
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Recent mentions of Links and Lynx lead me to try a few things out.

Apparently one can do Android Forums in Links:
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Android           You have 127     Attachment(s) Sticky   Today 08:32 AM        
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Pig to navigate, not even tried posting. I'm using Firefox for this.

Links doesn't seem to be able to deal with Chinese very well though...
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Lynx on the other hand is OK with Chinese characters, and shows them correctly.

This is how AF looks in Links graphic mode....reminds me of using Cello or Mosaic in Windows 3.1, which was almost 20 years ago now. LOL
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As much as I love *nix nostalgia, I've just confirmed that there are some things from the past I can do without--including Lynx, eLinks, et al.
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I've driven a Model T on the weekends but I wouldn't drive one to work.

Legacy support has its place but that place isn't everyplace.
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if one has a slow enough computer though, Links does a good job of speedily pulling up websites. i should have mentioned that mobile sites look better than attempting to pull up desktop versions that indeed format wrong, with the result often looking like an attempt at pulling the desktop site up in Netscape Navigator 3.x these days.

it did do well when i was already using the terminal, like i was using Dosbox in one terminal, i could easily ctrl-alt-F3 to the next, bring up Links, browse various dos games sites, and download it at the same time. didn't have to bring up slow X or whatever and slow things down. it was just faster.

Mutt ended up being a more successful alternative to Kmail, which, for some reason, tells me it's missing things and trying to set up Gmail causes some odd error to come up (both in Vector as well as Ubuntu) and it won't let me save the account settings, it just goes back to the beginning of setup. not worth fixing. Even if it had worked, it would take a good chunk of the already limited memory of that old D610, so it's more a choice of if i can do the same thing in a terminal that i can in X, but i'm using much less RAM doing so, why not? i'm not missing anything. my answer is the faster method that slows the system down less. keep in mind i can leave Vector running indefinitely and lose nothing. Ubuntu eventually needs a reboot here and there, especially if installing updates, i get 'system restart required'.

Also love Vector's little 'You have mail' alert that Mutt apparently works with when i login.
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if one has a slow enough computer though, Links does a good job of speedily pulling up websites. i should have mentioned that mobile sites look better than attempting to pull up desktop versions that indeed format wrong, with the result often looking like an attempt at pulling the desktop site up in Netscape Navigator 3.x these days.
Links can certainly load sites quick enough, but if what you get is actually viewable or usable or not is another matter. I know it can't deal with Chinese.

How slow a computer are we talking about that can't run a modern browser? I'm all for a bit of nostalgic fun and play with the Windows for Workgroups 386SX 25Mhz in the evenings occasionally, but I wouldn't want to use it productively. Thinking of EM's Model T analogy. Links reminded me of using Cello on Win 3.11 circa 1994. Don't think there was any Netscape, it was still NCSA Mosaic.

If want to take nostalgic geekery to real extremes, there's a web browser for the Commodore C64...LOL.
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no, actually even a PIII 650MHz with Firefox 3 ends up choking on its own RAM when loading any site full of enough Flash content like banner ads sometimes used by Android Forums. others just navigate slowly and pop up those 'slow script' errors and make it harder to use a site if a mobile variant exists that otherwise loads faster in terminal Links. same issue with Android phones, some sites load too slowly to make them usable unless you use a different browser or load up a mobile site.

a 486 or 386 would lag just loading KDE with nothing else running

The Dell Latitude D610 gets very laggy just having a tab with Facebook running. and that's a Mobile Centrino Tech laptop with a 1.5GHz Pentium and 2GB RAM.
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Ok a Pentium III 650MHz sounds quite historic, and I wouldn't really expect something like that to run a modern browser. Can you post on Android Forums with Firefox 3?

Under my office desk there's an ancient Pentium 4, 512RAM school computer, running XP. That can run modern browsers like Firefox 25, just about. However I don't use this computer, thing is too slow, rather use my lightweight, Atom 2GHz dual core, 2GB RAM laptop, which actually runs KDE 4 nicely, along with Firefox and Chrome. This is the laptop I use to teach in the classroom, as well as preparing materials. On the other hand the phone in my pocket can probably view the most challenging of javascript bloated, ad banner laden websites. Although I prefer to view the mobile versions sometimes, mainly because of the screen size and amount of metered mobile data consumed.
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i was posting with Firefox 3.8 when i first installed Vector on the D610 a few days ago, i don't think forum boards have changed all that much to be honest. i could post here and view the site on Firefox 2 if i wanted, albeit with some font glitching
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OK let's see if I can make a post with Links.

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^^^^^^^^
Oh it did work, despite the error I was getting. However I wasn't able to see my post immediately.

This post made with Firefox.
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Linux often throws errors but most of them don't stop you from getting the job done. i get an entire scrolling bunch of console error jargon when launching Mutt plus a certificate authentication failure alert but it works anyway. sorta reminds me of Windows' 'Error: The operation completed successfully' error alert.
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Linux often throws errors but most of them don't stop you from getting the job done. i get an entire scrolling bunch of console error jargon when launching Mutt plus a certificate authentication failure alert but it works anyway. sorta reminds me of Windows' 'Error: The operation completed successfully' error alert.
It wasn't a Linux error, it was an Android Forums error, probably because there's no javascript in Links. It actually said "The following error occured with your submission." but wouldn't say what the error was, it was just blank. Basically I was using an unsupported browser. The post didn't show until I viewed AF in Firefox. Probably an AF Moderator woudn't be able to moderate with Links, things like locking threads and editing or deleting wayward posts.

I never actually bothered about console errors. If you're running X applications you don't see them, not unless you started whatever app from the terminal. Most of the time they're not actually real errors, they're just warnings, like about how an app is using a system call or library function or something. Mutt might be set to ignore certificate errors, and just get on with it. Like when you find an SSL certificate error in a browser, usually click OK and don't bother me again about it. Think you're supposed to examine the site's certificate and determine what the problem is. I've seen it a couple of times saying the certificate authority isn't trusted, and then I looked and see it's Google or Verisign, then think shouldn't be any problem here.

Links would stop me "getting the job done", mainly because it can't read Chinese, just get a load of asterisks. I often use wenku.baidu.com to source lesson materials. Which is heavy on javascript, and uses Flash as well to preview PPT presentations, so I can decide which ones are worth downloading. Think it's just like trying to use early '90s Cello in the 21st century...LOL.
...for anyone who doesn't know what Cello is...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cello_%28browser%29

I think if one does have an underperforming machine, like the school's elderly Pentium 4, that's only just able to run say Firefox 25, especially on complex javascript heavy, Flash banner ad laden websites. Install No-Script and Ad-Block, and that'll allow you to have more control and cool things down a bit, while still being able to accomplish what you need to see and do.

Windows XP was originally designed to run with just 128MB or 256MB RAM, which was typical of PCs at the time. But when you add all the Service Packs, modern browsers and Office 2010, etc, that's just not going to happen. But a machine like that I wouldn't expect it to run KDE 4 too well either, Vector Linux should be ok though, or XFCE.
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I'm trying to figure out the easiest way of automating an offsite backup of things like configuration files and the easiest way I came up with was to write a script that would zip the files and email the zip to one of my email accounts as an attachment. I'm trying to work out the email part first to get it working by using a different file to test but it isn't running.

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We need some info, pt! Starting with, what are you using for e-mail?
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Well, I'd be sending from my Gmail account (two factor authentication is enabled)
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I have a very minor, intermittent problem with my Chromebook. Sometimes, after rebooting, it loses its trackball.

I have a Logitech wireless trackball connected to it, and sometimes after a reboot I have to pull out its receiver and stick it back in for it to be recognized again.

I've had an identical trackball on my HP laptop for over a year, and this has never happened with it.

It's my Acer Chromebook running Kubuntu 13.04. Any ideas?
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Hmmm.....the next time it happens, perhaps you should do a modprobe and determine if the kernel even bothered to load the module in the first place?

...At the very least it'll let you determine who gets to receive your official bug report.
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Thanks, Joel. It's such a minor problem--and so quickly fixed by yanking out the receiver and sticking it back in--I hadn't even thought about that. Good idea, and I'll do it next time it loses the trackball.
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I'm trying to figure out the easiest way of automating an offsite backup of things like configuration files and the easiest way I came up with was to write a script that would zip the files and email the zip to one of my email accounts as an attachment. I'm trying to work out the email part first to get it working by using a different file to test but it isn't running.

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http://tuxtweaks.com/2012/10/send-gmail-from-the-linux-command-line/

I actually stopped running my own mail server out of boredom but that's another alternative.
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Very nice find. In the comments, it also discusses two-factor authentication, so this should fit the bill perfectly.
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It took me forever to join the GUI mail client club for my majority use.

I used to know how to write a sendmail conf file by heart and would often build them from nothing.

Then came Postfix, the solution to everything not broken in sendmail.

Then again I started using email with bang routing.

Anyway enough nostalgia. This post cheerfully deleted upon request.

Hope the link helps out.
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Very nice find. In the comments, it also discusses two-factor authentication, so this should fit the bill perfectly.
Yeah, I'm using an app specific password so that's not an issue

Figured out I needed to insert CTRL+d to actually send. Is there a way to simulate that in a shell script?

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So, any recommendations of what to back up? Honestly not completely sure what to backup and what not to
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Figured out I needed to insert CTRL+d to actually send. Is there a way to simulate that in a shell script?
Write the input through a herefile.

Terminating the herefile ought to do the same thing.

If I'm wrong, have your script write a little script as a herefile with the ^d explicitly output and then execute the little script.

Sample herefile attached for those unfamiliar with the term.

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It really depends on what your needs/preferences are. That plus any file size limitations there may be when sending/receiving mail. Also, you can get as elaborate as you want with your script(s), for example, asking for input so you can decide at run-time which directories or files to back up. So you could back up X today, Y tomorrow, Z the next day, etc., as you choose. Or let them run completely automated with pre-determined files/directories.

I believe you mentioned in your OP that it's config files you're wanting to back up, correct? If so, you need to lay out which files you want to save: just personal stuff, in your home directory, or system files, too? What is it you want to accomplish? If you had a catastrophic disk failure, what do you want your backups to restore?
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It really depends on what your needs/preferences are. That plus any file size limitations there may be when sending/receiving mail. Also, you can get as elaborate as you want with your script(s), for example, asking for input so you can decide at run-time which directories or files to back up. So you could back up X today, Y tomorrow, Z the next day, etc., as you choose. Or let them run completely automated with pre-determined files/directories.

I believe you mentioned in your OP that it's config files you're wanting to back up, correct? If so, you need to lay out which files you want to save: just personal stuff, in your home directory, or system files, too? What is it you want to accomplish? If you had a catastrophic disk failure, what do you want your backups to restore?
I'm thinking having everything needed to install the base system and any other packages, and have them be configured already how they are in the backup

I did find this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/System_Restore_from_Configurations
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I'm thinking having everything needed to install the base system and any other packages, and have them be configured already how they are in the backup
I don't know that I can really be of much help with this. Personally, I like doing a fresh install when the situation arises. Like when a hard drive dies and I have to replace it, I prefer doing a fresh, clean install and then adding back select things from backups, such as mail, my browser's configuration files (which are highly tweaked), and so on. I don't restore the whole system because I kind of like getting rid of accumulated crud--even though it was forced--and starting fresh!

That looks helpful, and like a good starting place.
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I don't know that I can really be of much help with this. Personally, I like doing a fresh install when the situation arises. Like when a hard drive dies and I have to replace it, I prefer doing a fresh, clean install and then adding back select things from backups, such as mail, my browser's configuration files (which are highly tweaked), and so on. I don't restore the whole system because I kind of like getting rid of accumulated crud--even though it was forced--and starting fresh!


That looks helpful, and like a good starting place.
You've made a fair point. Maybe I'll just backup a package list once a week or so
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Why not take the nandroid style and just tar everything but /home?
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Great idea!

Here are two of mine, my HP laptop and one of my desktops:

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17:38:14 up 3 days, 21:28, 3 users, load average: 0.45, 0.55, 0.57

$ uptime
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Let's see what is everyone's uptime, and no cheating!

[saptech@localhost ~]$ uptime
17:34:50 up 26 days, 5:50, 5 users, load average: 0.30, 0.33, 0.37
[saptech@localhost ~]$
Code:
$ uptime
 21:12:17 up  9:37,  2 users,  load average: 0.36, 0.88, 1.14
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