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Old December 12th, 2013, 07:14 PM   #1751 (permalink)
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But what happens when they die? I'd be looking at it like that, i.e., that I'd better get moving on a plan, now, to transition over to something else. I would not want to be in a position of being forced to take action as a result of a crash
That is a concern, of course, but it is difficult enough getting the bean-counters to let go of money to maintain the status-quo, let alone trying to get them to invest in replacements for equipment that is currently performing reliably.

As for repair, they are fortunate to have me.

Luckily, I have two machines, so if one fails, we will be able to make do with the other until we can effect a repair, or obtain a replacement somehow...
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That is a concern, of course, but it is difficult enough getting the bean-counters to let go of money to maintain the status-quo, let alone trying to get them to invest in replacements for equipment that is currently performing reliably.

As for repair, they are fortunate to have me.

Luckily, I have two machines, so if one fails, we will be able to make do with the other until we can effect a repair, or obtain a replacement somehow...
Although it's not actually your problem, presumably you've documented or at least told someone else how the system works and what they need to do to maintain and repair it. After all you could leave or retire, or even the company bean-counters decide that they need to downsize..heaven forbid.
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Although it's not actually your problem, presumably you've documented or at least told someone else how the system works and what they need to do to maintain and repair it. After all you could leave or retire, or even the company bean-counters decide that they need to downsize..heaven forbid.
Nothing complicated in it, actually-- just simple computers with special cards installed...
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That could be the average PC user. They know how to use the PC and login to FB or whatever, and maybe reset the PC to factory defaults from a manufacturer's restore DVD or partition, complete with original bloatware. But might not know how to install an OS fresh on a blank HDD and search and find the drivers and applications they might need.
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I can find drivers and various other stuff, I don't like to reinstall since I've usually stripped most of the crap out and MS insists on putting it back. The damn computer only exists to do work for me through programs, not to be a damn commentor or helper for my life. If I don't want MS crap, I don't install MS crap. MS doesn't make what I want anyway. Having everyone trying to use their coding for a program stinks, and half the time you need to jump through hoops.

I remember trying to install Embroidery software designed for XP on Vista - What a farce! The machine companies didn't get everything in order for over a year! In the meantime, those programs are expensive, and people who bought couldn't use. By expensive, I mean over 2 grand for the full program!
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I finally got time to play. Put the Kubuntu 12.10 DVD in the computer and took a good look. Could find most of the stuff.

I found the way to customize the desktop - those rays just looked dumb. I got the desktop to my taste. It showed the other HD as XP, so I can transfer files. Found Synaptic and the deb package opener.
It did find the Canon Pixma, i6000D. Ubuntu wouldn't. It found the Wacom Tablet, and the HP laserjet with no strain. I use a Gearhead Mouse and the old IBM clicker. Found those, too.

No scanner. Will have to save the driver files I had to download in Ubuntu to get the scanner to work.

What I need to know - what kind of flack is Kubuntu liable to give me if I want something that isn't in the repository? I still want Tbird and FX ESR, they are TAR.BZ files. I also want Skype and I need to know where the app is to test stuff like the microphone and videocam. I have no doubt Kubuntu will see it, I just can't find the app to test it.

I also want the SWIron browser, which Ubuntu 12.04 would install. I think that was a DEB file.

I found Stellarium and KStars, the Raw file processor I use, and there are enough card games to keep me occupied.

I want the ESR files as Mozilla updates just the security. I hate having to go to about:config to remove all the social stuff Moz thinks I want. The bank complains if I don't have the latest. I won't use Chrome, SWiron is bad enough. I like the menus on top where I can just mouse to them. The keyboard drawer is usually closed.
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I remember trying to install Embroidery software designed for XP on Vista - What a farce! The machine companies didn't get everything in order for over a year! In the meantime, those programs are expensive, and people who bought couldn't use. By expensive, I mean over 2 grand for the full program!
Have you tried running those on Linux via wine?

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I finally got time to play. Put the Kubuntu 12.10 DVD in the computer and took a good look. Could find most of the stuff.

I found the way to customize the desktop - those rays just looked dumb. I got the desktop to my taste. It showed the other HD as XP, so I can transfer files. Found Synaptic and the deb package opener.
It did find the Canon Pixma, i6000D. Ubuntu wouldn't. It found the Wacom Tablet, and the HP laserjet with no strain. I use a Gearhead Mouse and the old IBM clicker. Found those, too.
Yep. Exactly what I'd have expected.

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What kind of scanner is it? And what did you install for it? I've never had a scanner fail to work with Kubuntu, with basically no tweaking. I think I've always used sane and xsane.

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None. This isn't micro$oft! No, seriously, I never have a problem installing anything, so I don't see this as an issue. YMMV, though.

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That simply describes the type of file they're saved in. That has nothing to do with installing them, or whether they will install on your system. A tar file is an archive (think zip on other systems) containing multiple other files, and a tar.bz2 (or various other types) is a compressed tar file.

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I also want Skype and I need to know where the app is to test stuff like the microphone and videocam. I have no doubt Kubuntu will see it, I just can't find the app to test it.
On all my Kubuntu boxes, including my Chromebook, the testing features are within the Skype app itself. I downloaded and installed Skype via its web site.

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Since *buntu is Debian based, deb files should always install without issue. You can also download rpm files and convert them to deb using alien.
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I remember trying to install Embroidery software designed for XP on Vista - What a farce! The machine companies didn't get everything in order for over a year! In the meantime, those programs are expensive, and people who bought couldn't use. By expensive, I mean over 2 grand for the full program!
That sounds like the company is not supporting their software properly. Like the fact it only worked on XP and not a later version of Windows for over a year. How recent was this, especially given now that XP is end of life in a few months time. And that you can't actually buy Win XP or a new XP computer now.
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That sounds like the company is not supporting their software properly.
Thats the problem with a lot of the proprietary company's out there. Some are small business's that really can't afford the upgrades. Its why I like open source. Just better support.
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That sounds like the company is not supporting their software properly. Like the fact it only worked on XP and not a later version of Windows for over a year. How recent was this, especially given now that XP is end of life in a few months time. And that you can't actually buy Win XP or a new XP computer now.
Which is why I have a generic XP box for all my crafting software and it's offline. I can plug in the cable to flash update which does not involve a browser. Otherwise, I either download files in Ubuntu or the 7 laptop and transfer via USB. There is nothing in the new software that does any better than the old anyway most of the time. Since MS has delayed the end of sale for 7, you can get 7 pro with virtual XP which will run the stuff.
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Thats the problem with a lot of the proprietary company's out there. Some are small business's that really can't afford the upgrades. Its why I like open source. Just better support.

These companies are large. Before either selling or a merger, Viking Sewing Machines were part of the Husqvarna empire. Brother has printers, office machines, you name it.

Most were just sold a bill of goods by MS coding language and the ease of being able to get into a computer to fix the problem since most users had Windows and swallowed MS propaganda wholesale.

When computerized machines first became available, there was a program for Pfaff on a Mac, called Flutterwhumper. Once Pfaff went to a different style of program, there was nothing for Apple for quite a few years. Apple users had to run parallels. Programs are now being written for both, but nothing for Linux.

I've used mostly Windows since DOS, but never fell for the full line of BS,
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I use Epson scanners. I've had one for years. I like the fact that Epson doesn't make comments like an HP scanjet we had in the office. It would refuse to scan at 300dpi. I don't care for HP anyway. The Canon Lidoscans also won't work. I have a couple on machines where I am not scanning photographs.

Someone in another forum just figured out how to get an Epson printer to work in Mint 16. Same problem with the printer. That's mostly the companies that make the scanners and printers, but some of us like those items and there should be some kind of workaround. I will not use an all in one. I've got the files in downloads. I can shove them on a USB or the XP desktop and retrieve. The Epson has 2 files, and you have to install them in order, to boot.

If Linux wants to appeal to the masses, it had better not assume that everyone wants the same printers, scanners, what have you. I know you like GIMP, but a lot of Photoshop users control their prints via PS. You can calibrate your printer, monitor, and paper so you are exactly WYSIWYG on print. (Mine is) Most prefer the Epson line of printers, or they did. Some like dye sub. Same for scanners. Some others like the Brother line. These people won't switch to Linux, but they might move to Apple. I still have an old IBM impact printer and an LPT1 port that I made the tech leave. What would Linux do with that? I can still get paper and ribbons. If there was some research, a lot of printers might just work on older drivers that are available. I've used older ones on Canon in Windows. Didn't have all the bells and whistles, but you could print. I used a driver for a 600 on an i850 and was able to print. I don't install the software for the printers anyway, just the driver.

RE: TAR.**
I know that those are zipped formats. Ubuntu won't deal with them and I still need to see the actual written example of how to get it to work via root. I need to read the stuff to figure it out. Ubuntu 12.04 would not let me install like 11.10 did. I had all this stuff on 11.10.

Skype sound would not work on Mint. I use Skype as the main way to talk to kid in the UK. We just video call. Don't use it for anything else. I can text or call her on the phone using Viber.

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He's probably right, but looking at it from an American view. I read most of the Nokia Symbian fora that were written in English. The Indian one was great.
These people wanted VOIP type services and there are quite a few serving that area. Some companies only deal within the EU or Asia, and like some here, don't do EU. So far, Viber has done as promised.

Never heard of Alien. Will have to investigate.

What's really annoying me about the zipped files in Ubuntu, unlike Windows, the ESR files came from Mozilla, not some ripoff download site. If you can include the FX browser, then you should trust Moz.

If the reasonable stuff will install on Kubuntu, I will switch. I don't need much on there.
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I tangled with WINE once. Most want to run Adobe products but I wanted WordPerfect9. I like WP for the reveal codes which you can edit. No way, Jose.
At the time WP did have a Linux version, but I couldn't find one for sale.

WP9 also touted Netscape rather than the POS IE.
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I use Epson scanners. I've had one for years. I like the fact that Epson doesn't make comments like an HP scanjet we had in the office. It would refuse to scan at 300dpi. I don't care for HP anyway. The Canon Lidoscans also won't work. I have a couple on machines where I am not scanning photographs.
I've never had any issues AT ALL scanning at 300dpi--or higher.

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I can't speak to that since I have no personal experience with it. But I do want to say that this could be a misunderstanding of how things work on Linux. The best analogy I can think of right now is how peripherals, such as printers, typically come with a CD for window$ and their instructions always say to go through the installation process using the CD, blah blah blah. Well, those CDs are completely unnecessary in Linux. And I mean the files on them, such as drivers. They're unnecessary because Linux recognizes the peripheral and configures everything itself, with no need for the user to ever crack open the CD. Sure, you have to choose from a list of printers to select your brand and model, but that's about it. The OS does the rest. I do remember when I'd have to look online for certain HP files, but those days are long gone. (And the list of printer brands/models is HUGE, and definitely not limited to HP.)

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It doesn't. I don't really know where that idea came from.

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but a lot of Photoshop users control their prints via PS. You can calibrate your printer, monitor, and paper so you are exactly WYSIWYG on print. (Mine is) Most prefer the Epson line of printers, or they did. Some like dye sub. Same for scanners. Some others like the Brother line. These people won't switch to Linux
Again, perhaps that's due to misconceptions/misunderstandings and/or lack of knowledge.

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I still have an old IBM impact printer and an LPT1 port that I made the tech leave. What would Linux do with that?
Is this a trick question? Unlike window$, Linux can--and does--support ANCIENT hardware.

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I know that those are zipped formats. Ubuntu won't deal with them
I seriously don't know what you mean. ANY Linux distro will 'deal with' tar files. tar is as old as UNIX itself. Now, if you say you don't know HOW to make Ubuntu deal with them, that's one thing, but Ubuntu itself most definitely does handle them. At its most fundamental level, the command line, tar is a built-in feature of every *nix I've ever heard of.

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Again, I don't know what you mean. A tar file doesn't need root. It doesn't even need a command prompt. Just right-click it in your file manager [I use Dolphin] and pick the choice(s) you want, such as "Extract archive here, auto-detect subfolders" so it'll extract it and correctly recreate its subdirectory structure. This has nothing to do with root. It also has nothing to do with installing whatever's inside the tarball. Extracting it is one thing, installing its contents is another--and, frankly, it kind of sounds like you're confusing the two, or thinking they're the same thing.

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Well, there's TONS of reading available online! But, look, if you've downloaded something and don't know what to do with it, just post here and ask for help.

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Ubuntu 12.04 would not let me install like 11.10 did. I had all this stuff on 11.10.
I don't know.

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Skype didn't exist when my kid lived in the UK. I wish it had! Anyway, as I've mentioned, it runs fine on all my Kubuntus.

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Just go to a prompt and type man alien for its manual pages.

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What's really annoying me about the zipped files in Ubuntu, unlike Windows, the ESR files came from Mozilla, not some ripoff download site. If you can include the FX browser, then you should trust Moz.
Again, this is NOT a *buntu problem. I'm sorry but...it's a user problem. Any Linux can handle tar files, and none of them, including Ubuntu, should care where the files came from or what's in them. If you, the user, wish to extract a tarball, there's nothing stopping you from doing so. At least nothing I've ever encountered.

Now, if you're talking about the CONTENTS of the zipped files, as opposed to the zipped files themselves, you may run into problems [as Nick has, but I have not] with trying to install something not intended for your computer's architecture. But that's not a problem with the files.

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If the reasonable stuff will install on Kubuntu, I will switch. I don't need much on there.
I'd strongly suggest posting questions/issues either here or elsewhere, such as on Ubuntu/Kubuntu specific sites. There's so much help available out there!
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I tangled with WINE once. Most want to run Adobe products but I wanted WordPerfect9. I like WP for the reveal codes which you can edit. No way, Jose.
At the time WP did have a Linux version, but I couldn't find one for sale.

WP9 also touted Netscape rather than the POS IE.
Lord, I miss the old Word Perfect... it was a true text-based word processor, unlike that object-oriented travesty put out by Microsoft.

I remember rewriting curricula based in WP 3.2 using WP 7 (with the newer version, you could have more than two documents open at a time). Best damn tool for creating documents like training manuals and instructors guides.
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Ok - now I NEED help. first, Grub or whatever Kubuntu calls it doesn't see the other hard drive. I tried the command to refresh grub, and got informed that Grub isn't installed.

2nd - I still can't get those ESR on Iron tar.bz files. I can extract, but can't install.
This time I managed some error messages:

Blacked out~$ ~/firefox/firefox
XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /home/me/firefox/libxul.so:
libdbus-glib-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Couldn't load XPCOM.

this was for FX - their instructions just don't work. It's on the Mozilla page.

QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
SW Iron.
Blacked out name, it's right.

Rekonq or whatever it is is a pain.

The scanner won't install either. It's an Epson Perfection V300 photo. It installed in Ubuntu 12.04. and Mint 14.

I really need the XP drive, I've got calendars to do. I can't even do them in Gimp since Kubuntu doesn't see XP and my photos are there.

I've also got a notice for a new version of Kubuntu, tell it to install by clicking on the button to install and it does nothing.
I can update, but it won't install the new version.
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I remember rewriting curricula based in WP 3.2 using WP 7 (with the newer version, you could have more than two documents open at a time). Best damn tool for creating documents like training manuals and instructors guides.
I started desktop publishing with 6.0 for DOS. Word at that time didn't even have a GUI.

BTW, that's the other thing that Illustrator will do - page layout a la Pagemaker or Quark.
I did all the stuff for the webmaster so change to html, and the versions we printed in the office looked the same which was what the boss wanted,
We had MS publisher and the webmaster was pulling his hair out. It was a POS.
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I installed Xsane, the scanner was plugged in and i put in the iscan libraries that Epson needs, Both Canon and Epson decided not to bother with certain scanners. There are pages of people trying to install the Lidoscans that Canon won't support. The Epson wiil run, but you need a couple of files according to Seiko.
12.04 Epson Scanner will not install - Ask Ubuntu

I just saw the 3rd package - scanner installed. Heard it squeal and Xsane turned up.

Where do things go when they are minimze? 12.04 used to list open apps at the bottom of the page like windows. Where's the config for getting Kubuntu to do that?

I had the ESR files on Ubuntu 11.10, Clicked on the purple diamond and ubuntu asked to install and wanted password. So they run. I could be missing some lib files and I'd never know it. If it isn't intended for Linux, then why does Mozilla have it on their download page? They didn't specify which flavor of linux. That's why I said I got it from Moz. You can find all kinds of crap and corrupt files on Windows and have all kinds of hell installing.

If you meant a prompt in console, that told me man alien wasn't installed.
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I still have an old IBM impact printer and an LPT1 port that I made the tech leave. What would Linux do with that?
Work perfectly most likely....provided the PC has a parallel port of course. And it would have to be quite an ancient machine as well. LPT ports are very much legacy these days. In fact if I went into a computer shop here and asked for a PC with a parallel port, he'd probably just laugh, and if it were a young SA likely just give a blank look and wonder what the hell I was talking about. Even analogue VGA ports seem to be becoming legacy now, some new machines just don't have them.

There are manufacturers making impact printers, but they're all USB now AFAIK.

BTW anyone know if I can connect my model 33 teletype to my USB only Lenovo laptop?

In fact supporting legacy hardware is something Linux can do very well, far better than Windows 8 most probably.

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I find Skype on Mint works perfectly, no problems at all and straight away, no configuring or messing around. And integrates and conforms with the desktop theme quite nicely. In fact I much prefer the current 4.2 Linux version of Skype, over the current Windows version, that seem to have become horribly bloated IMO. And it has ads in it! ..even when paying money for a Skype service. In fact when I was using Windows, I got Skype from oldversion.com.."Because newer is not always better!" because did not wish to be using it in it's current bloated adware form. Current Mac version of Skype is better in this respect, there's no ads in it, still rather bloated though.
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Ok - now I NEED help. first, Grub or whatever Kubuntu calls it doesn't see the other hard drive. I tried the command to refresh grub, and got informed that Grub isn't installed.

2nd - I still can't get those ESR on Iron tar.bz files. I can extract, but can't install.
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Blacked out~$ ~/firefox/firefox
XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /home/me/firefox/libxul.so:
libdbus-glib-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Couldn't load XPCOM.

this was for FX - their instructions just don't work. It's on the Mozilla page.

QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
SW Iron.
Blacked out name, it's right.

Rekonq or whatever it is is a pain.

The scanner won't install either. It's an Epson Perfection V300 photo. It installed in Ubuntu 12.04. and Mint 14.

I really need the XP drive, I've got calendars to do. I can't even do them in Gimp since Kubuntu doesn't see XP and my photos are there.

I've also got a notice for a new version of Kubuntu, tell it to install by clicking on the button to install and it does nothing.
I can update, but it won't install the new version.
1 where did you install grub at? - Are you sure that the other hard drive is mounted? for Dolphin to see it?

2. a bit beyond me

3. did you install on to a single drive with 2 partitions or do you have 2 separate drives?
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I din't install grub, I thought Kubuntu would. The other drive is mounted, I saw it listed while installing Kbuntu. It was listed when I trialled Kbuntu from the CD. Ubuntu 12.04 did this too, Someone said type refresh grub in the terminal then it appeared on a reboot


I have 2 separate drives. I told Kubuntu it could have all of Sdb, which is where Ubuntu was.
Sda1 is XP.

I have 4 entries when it boots up none refer to the other drive
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These companies are large. Before either selling or a merger, Viking Sewing Machines were part of the Husqvarna empire. Brother has printers, office machines, you name it.
OT: I'm sure Japan has a near monopoly on machinery for apparel production. Seems every garment factory I've seen, and we have a lot of them in China , it's like always Brother, Juki or Toyota. Husqvarna seems to be all about outdoor machinery now, chainsaws, garden tractors, lawnmowers, leaf blowers and the like.

BTW whatever happened to Singer?
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Singer got in a tangle - They bought Pfaff (German) and made a total mess of both products. Viking and Pfaff merged, (VIP) and Singer got back in. Viking and Pfaff use the same software, the TOL machines are made in Sweden, but everything else it the orient, mostly China. Some Taiwan, and I think someone is in Burma or that area. I don't think Singer has anything made in Sweden. Neither the Pfaff nor the Viking dealers want anything to do with Singer in the dealerships.
I do hear Singer quality is starting to improve.

A lot of the dealers have the same machine with different names. Brother and Babylock are almost interchangeable except for Sergers. Babylock has jet air and no one else does. There is one "quilting" machine that is sold by Babylock, Pfaff, under a few names. All made in China.

The progression for my machines - Pfaff 1471 and 1475, made in Germany. 2144 (updated) Made in Sweden with German Engineering. The last of the 2100 series was made in the Czech Republic with German Engineering. Now most say made in China. Singers are probably mostly from China also. Nothing wrong with most of the Chinese products if the engineers who design it keep their eye on production. I don't know how many factories you have there that produce machines.

BTW - you cannot buy a top of the line from any maker over the internet. Babylock, Bernina, Brother, Pfaff, Janome. You have to go to a dealer. Some, like Brother, Singer and Janome do make machines that hobby stores can sell, or online stores can sell.

A lot of these machines are computerized. Most have fancy stitches built in and I have no idea what OS, language or whatever they are based on. The software has to use vector images and files. You need the x,y coordinates to tell the needle where to punch. At first all machines had proprietary formats, but now you can put in a design in almost any format in any machine. So how they adjusted the software since each proprietary one had different specs, I don't know.
Like I said - the software for digitizing designs is expensive, but today, at least you can mostly use one brand of software for different machines.

I'd really like to know what they use for programming language. It might explain why it takes so long to fix if Windows brings out another variant. There can't be that many ways of programming vectors.
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Singer got in a tangle - They bought Pfaff (German) and made a total mess of both products. Viking and Pfaff merged, (VIP) and Singer got back in. Viking and Pfaff use the same software, the TOL machines are made in Sweden, but everything else it the orient, mostly China. Some Taiwan, and I think someone is in Burma or that area. I don't think Singer has anything made in Sweden. Neither the Pfaff nor the Viking dealers want anything to do with Singer in the dealerships.
I do hear Singer quality is starting to improve.

A lot of the dealers have the same machine with different names. Brother and Babylock are almost interchangeable except for Sergers. Babylock has jet air and no one else does. There is one "quilting" machine that is sold by Babylock, Pfaff, under a few names. All made in China.

The progression for my machines - Pfaff 1471 and 1475, made in Germany. 2144 (updated) Made in Sweden with German Engineering. The last of the 2100 series was made in the Czech Republic with German Engineering. Now most say made in China. Singers are probably mostly from China also. Nothing wrong with most of the Chinese products if the engineers who design it keep their eye on production. I don't know how many factories you have there that produce machines.

BTW - you cannot buy a top of the line from any maker over the internet. Babylock, Bernina, Brother, Pfaff, Janome. You have to go to a dealer. Some, like Brother, Singer and Janome do make machines that hobby stores can sell, or online stores can sell.

A lot of these machines are computerized. Most have fancy stitches built in and I have no idea what OS, language or whatever they are based on. The software has to use vector images and files. You need the x,y coordinates to tell the needle where to punch. At first all machines had proprietary formats, but now you can put in a design in almost any format in any machine. So how they adjusted the software since each proprietary one had different specs, I don't know.
Like I said - the software for digitizing designs is expensive, but today, at least you can mostly use one brand of software for different machines.

I'd really like to know what they use for programming language.
It might explain why it takes so long to fix if Windows brings out another variant. There can't be that many ways of programming vectors.
Borland Delphi 3? Visual Basic 6? maybe..I don't know. Could be that they've invested heavily in a particular development system, and there's significant costs and staff retraining to use something newer and different. Or they just don't bother, not until at least enough of their customers start making enough noise about it. Or even, sorry this software is too old, it's end of life and we don't support it any more. As the software is proprietary rather than open source, it can't be supported by community and/or third-party devs.

Which is soon going to be happening to Windows XP of course, 14th April, 2014. There's Virtual XP in Win 7 Pro, but eventually that will be end of life as well. Windows 8.1 has no Virtual XP.
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So I'm trying to get my google calendar setup with my Korganizer however it tells me that Kwallet is disabled. How does one enable it?

EDIT: Nevermiind I got it now I just had to delete the "kwalletrc" file
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Companies "improve" the software to make customers drool and want it, so I don't see how not getting out a patch or an upgrade would be good salesmanship. XP to Vista was a fiasco. 8 is causing problems, too.

Windows is going to have to do something about backwards capability for businesses.
Some have saved information going back to Windows 3.1. XP could read these, but from what I understand the new Office doesn't. I've seen complaints that it won't handle Office 97 documents. Besides the hassle of getting a new OS meshed into office usage, the old data would need to be redone. That's more expense than necessary. Libre Office reads it - everyone could switch to Open source and that wouldn't help MS.

The Vulcan uses Office 97 - which is one reason he doesn't want to upgrade. He is playing around with Libre now. I don't mind 2 steps. It thwarts the desire for new.
I have WP9 on virtual XP, open that doc format in Libre, and resave, basically using it as a file converter. I don't happen to like Libre's GUI. WP let you change all the toolbars to suit yourself.
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Ok so it seems were jumping out of topic a little bit. No biggie just keep in mind that this is the Linux thread.

Ok PSA over with.

Where do you see your favorite distro heading and what do you like or dislike about it?

OpenSuse seems to be going in a decent direction so I'm sticking to my guns with this one. The thing I didn't like about it at first (OpenSuse 6)was the KDE integration I was strictly a gnome person. But now I am using KDE and liking it more and more. I miss some of the old g-apps but still kept gparted.

Also OpenSuse seems to be making it easier and easier to set up and get it going the way you want. I have none of the stuff I don't want and all the stuff I do. Its also very customizable. Sometimes I think a little to much lol.

I like yast and how it does things, simple to use and love that its just an acronym for "Yet Another System Tool"

They also seem to be on top of things and have a decent forum for support. I've been a member there for a while but am hardly ever there. I hang out at this other forum way to much

So wheres your distro headed?
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My grandmother had one of those. I think my [evil] sister has it, but I'm not sure.
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As everyone here knows, I'm in love with Kubuntu. I expect that it will continue to evolve and improve, and I'll stick with it.

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There's no reason you can't install and use any GNOME apps you prefer. They'll run fine on KDE, and vice versa. After a fresh install of Kubuntu, my immediate next steps include installing gParted and several other GNOME apps, plus Synaptic.
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There's no reason you can't install and use any GNOME apps you prefer. They'll run fine on KDE, and vice versa. After a fresh install of Kubuntu, my immediate next steps include installing gParted and several other GNOME apps, plus Synaptic.
yeah I know but I figured I would get used to the alternative apps for the few that I use mostly stuff like using Kwrite instead of gedit things like that. I traded evolution for Kontact. I figured out how to install my google calendar to it, its been great.
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Okay, good. I just wanted to be sure you're aware that they're interchangeable. (My memory's not good enough to recall prior discussions about it in this thread, only that I know I've said it before. But who was involved...beats me! ) I prefer most KDE apps over their GNOME counterparts, but I like having the freedom to use whichever I like better. I use KWrite, too, by the way. When I'm not using vi, that is.

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Wonderful. Did you have any issues doing that? Either way, if you want to post about how you did it, that could be helpful for others. I've never tried, so I have no idea what's involved.
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I've finally figured out where some of the errors were, Ubuntu has decided that since Thunderbird and FX ESR only get updated once a year - no go. That is exactly why I liked them. Most of the updates are for social sites and ease of use for lazy people. ESR got security updates. Means every time the stupid thing updates, I have to get rid of the awful bar and social everything in about:config.

Went back to Opera, and did get SWiron installed. Got Kubuntu updated. It says I didn't, but the dialog box and downloads says so.

I still can't get to my XP hard drive. I think it might be a syntax error - what is a partition?
To me, that is a section of one hard drive ONLY. I tried through the BIOS and settings and it won't open, I can't even see what's on there.

Will have to use Tbird for mail as it seems to be the only one that will deal with a screwy address that ends in.us Opera has mail, maybe I'll try that if I need to. They bought a mail service that was around for years.

Managed to get Startpage and Duck as the main browsers. Bing, Yahoo, and Google can get lost.

I'd PAY someone to help me out with this but no repair place bothers with Linux and the rest are sheep. Most do just what Windows tells them to. Iphone users are nowhere near the sheep this town is. I need my pictures!

I did find a site that did have all the instructions to get apps into Kubuntu - what happens is the usual nonsense of something that I thing should be included in download of OS isn't there. This time it was Gedit, usually it's Gdeb installer.
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OT I know.

My mum had one, a Jones rather than a Singer. but don't know what happened to it though.

I'm sure a lot of those old treadle machines got converted into tables, because of the fancy looking Victorian cast iron base(very Steampunk). I've seen them in a couple of pubs in the UK done like that.
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I've finally figured out where some of the errors were, Ubuntu has decided that since Thunderbird and FX ESR only get updated once a year - no go.
Again, I'm lost. You can install ANYTHING you want to on Ubuntu or any other Linux [as long as it's a compatible program, obviously]. How did you attempt to install those programs? From downloaded files? within Synaptic? with another package manager? at a command line with apt-get, what?

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To me, that is a section of one hard drive ONLY. I tried through the BIOS and settings and it won't open, I can't even see what's on there.
From within gParted [or whatever KDE's partition manager is called...oh, I know! KDE Partition Manager (I don't use it)], can you post a screenshot? Make sure that any/all devices are expanded so we can see all their entries:



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In almost 30 years, I've never seen a *nix e-mail client that couldn't handle any type of e-mail address. It shouldn't matter what the address ends in, it's its settings that matter. Are you sure you entered the correct settings? Is it POP, IMAP, or what?

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Don't worry--unless you formatted the drive [or partition] they're on, they're still there. It's just a matter of mounting the drive.

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zuben, I'm sorry, but you're confusing an installation process that required editing a file [and, in this case, told you to use gEdit to do that, while ANY text editor would suffice] with installing things in Kubuntu in general. "Getting apps into Kubuntu" is usually very straightforward--just open Synaptic [or your preferred package manager, such as gDebi or KPackageKit], find the item, and click to install it. If you're downloading something from somewhere else, HOW it's installed will vary. In your example, you had to edit something. In many other cases, you simply extract an archive file into the correct location and that's that. For others, you run an installation file, such as install.sh or RunMe or ThisFileContainsGoodStuff.
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Spam filter? Although I've got the idea that screwy addresses often end in .cn ...but YMMV.
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Okay, good. I just wanted to be sure you're aware that they're interchangeable. (My memory's not good enough to recall prior discussions about it in this thread, only that I know I've said it before. But who was involved...beats me! ) I prefer most KDE apps over their GNOME counterparts, but I like having the freedom to use whichever I like better. I use KWrite, too, by the way. When I'm not using vi, that is.


Wonderful. Did you have any issues doing that? Either way, if you want to post about how you did it, that could be helpful for others. I've never tried, so I have no idea what's involved.
It probably was me. I was a big Gnome2 user and do use Gnome 3, but since G3 came out, I've tried KDE and been liking it alot. I also been using Gnome apps with KDE. For me, some Gnome apps work better then KDE

I also wanted to include Google Calendar to Korganizer, which I got working by adding Kwallet.
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Wonderful. Did you have any issues doing that? Either way, if you want to post about how you did it, that could be helpful for others. I've never tried, so I have no idea what's involved.
Yeah great Idea mess with the frogs memory *LOL*

Get in calendar mode and got to settings/configure calendar and click on that.
In the dialog box click on Calendars (Last tab on mine) click add then choose
akonadi_google calendar resource. Enter creditials and choose which calendars you want to view click ok and bam your in business

If I forgot a step or two blame old age
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It probably was me. I was a big Gnome2 user and do use Gnome 3, but since G3 came out, I've tried KDE and been liking it alot. I also been using Gnome apps with KDE. For me, some Gnome apps work better then KDE

I also wanted to include Google Calendar to Korganizer, which I got working by adding Kwallet.
I too prefer many (if not most) of the Gnome apps over their KDE counterparts, though I am thoroughly enjoying the Plasma desktop.
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Spam filter? Although I've got the idea that screwy addresses often end in .cn ...but YMMV.
I use gmx.us. GMX is usually the problem. One addy is in that HA leet, and the computer's name is Shithead. I have about 6 or 7 addies from all over, most are spam collectors. Gmail and Yahoo are for spam.

Those ESR Files are blocked. I can unzip. They won't install.
There's a bug:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723487
Another post mentioned the fact that ESR is not updated every 2 weeks so some organization didn't approve.

Some printers/scanners cannot be used if the maker does not make the driver available. That applies to some of Canon Lidoscan. They are rather cheap USB scanners, and it might not have been worth Canon's time. There must have been 20 posts from various times about installing these, and the post were neither answered or the postee was told Canon chose not to support the scanner. For the Epson - some are available from the get-go, the 300 is not. The files are still there and available, but from Seiko and not Epson. I now have them stashed offline. What's available are usually the newer all in ones which I don't like. I have my monitor and printer calibrated.

I don't like all in one apps. At least nothing complains if I don't update Tbird. I have Opera and Iron running. Chrome and FX have been deleted.
There used to be some nice alternative browsers in Ubuntu, Iceweasel and Icecat for 2. Either gone or died of no updates. Pale Moon does not have an app for Linux. I don't happen to like the GUI of Chrome. I want all the things like File, Edit, Tools, where I can see the headings, not hidden in another button.

That partition app did show the drive, but nothing else. Have someone coming over to see if he can fix it.

I am not a fan of any OS. I simply use whatever suits my purposes best.
The OS is supposed to run my chosen software and shut up about not being the main object on the computer.

Otherwise, I have it pretty much to my taste, scanner working.

Besides security, XP is offline since MS only rents it. If they can't find it, they can't muck with it.

Disney just pulled a lot of Christmas Videos from Amazon. Disney wants people to subcribe to their channel. Those that bought these videos are upset.
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I use gmx.us. GMX is usually the problem. One addy is in that HA leet, and the computer's name is Shithead. I have about 6 or 7 addies from all over, most are spam collectors. Gmail and Yahoo are for spam.

Those ESR Files are blocked. I can unzip. They won't install.
There's a bug:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723487
Another post mentioned the fact that ESR is not updated every 2 weeks so some organization didn't approve.

Some printers/scanners cannot be used if the maker does not make the driver available. That applies to some of Canon Lidoscan. They are rather cheap USB scanners, and it might not have been worth Canon's time. There must have been 20 posts from various times about installing these, and the post were neither answered or the postee was told Canon chose not to support the scanner. For the Epson - some are available from the get-go, the 300 is not. The files are still there and available, but from Seiko and not Epson. I now have them stashed offline. What's available are usually the newer all in ones which I don't like. I have my monitor and printer calibrated.

I don't like all in one apps. At least nothing complains if I don't update Tbird. I have Opera and Iron running. Chrome and FX have been deleted.
There used to be some nice alternative browsers in Ubuntu, Iceweasel and Icecat for 2. Either gone or died of no updates. Pale Moon does not have an app for Linux. I don't happen to like the GUI of Chrome. I want all the things like File, Edit, Tools, where I can see the headings, not hidden in another button.

That partition app did show the drive, but nothing else. Have someone coming over to see if he can fix it.

I am not a fan of any OS. I simply use whatever suits my purposes best.
The OS is supposed to run my chosen software and shut up about not being the main object on the computer.

Otherwise, I have it pretty much to my taste, scanner working.

Besides security, XP is offline since MS only rents it. If they can't find it, they can't muck with it.

Disney just pulled a lot of Christmas Videos from Amazon. Disney wants people to subcribe to their channel. Those that bought these videos are upset.
FYI, Iceweasel and IceCat are just rebranded versions of Firefox...
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Those ESR Files are blocked. I can unzip. They won't install.


I downloaded the English Linux file from the Firefox ESR page:



I extracted the archive in my downloads directory:



I ran ./firefox in the newly created subdirectory:



Bug 723487 - libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory is marked as Status: RESOLVED FIXED.

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See my screenshot above.
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Meh.

I get to play around in Win 8 for a while-- trying to talk my boss into upgrading our tracking databases (our version is like 15 years old); and since it is likely to be an Access-based DB, I have to build an example database and forms in MS Access...
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I downloaded the English Linux file from the Firefox ESR page:



I extracted the archive in my downloads directory:



I ran ./firefox in the newly created subdirectory:




Bug 723487 - libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory is marked as Status: RESOLVED FIXED.


See my screenshot above.

I done exactly the same as Moody no problems at all, nothing blocked(even in China) or unrecognised, Linux Mint KDE.


Firefox ESR running on my laptop.

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How does one make Kontact use chrome as the browser instead of firefox?
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Disney just pulled a lot of Christmas Videos from Amazon. Disney wants people to subcribe to their channel. Those that bought these videos are upset.
That's DRM(Digital Restrictions Management), that Disney, the MPAA, etc. insists upon. IMO anything with DRM like that, you're not actually buying it, you're only leasing it, and they end and revoke that lease any time they like. Yeh I'm sure it makes people upset and just encourages piracy as well.
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How does one make Kontact use chrome as the browser instead of firefox?
I don't actually know, but I'm guessing that it's reading its default apps info from the system, so if your system settings point to Chrome as the default browser, Kontact should see that. If that's NOT the case, then there must be a setting somewhere inside Kontact to specify which browser to use by default.
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ESR ran in Mint 14. It ran in Ubuntu 11.10 It won't run on any Ubuntu I have. I get as far as the extraction - then an error. I might have to see if I can find the version before 17,0. whatever.
Which English version? US? Sometimes that and area make a difference.

I put Opera in. At least you can keep the menu bars. I know that those 2 are rebranded FX but I'll have to hunt for them. Opera will let me turn off images on the fly. I don't see anything with the <img> tag, so it clears up half of Yahoo's BS. I don't see it. I'll let Iron update and use it for banking.

The XP drive got corrupted somehow and Kubuntu is using part of it. The tech was going to take the XP drive to see if anything could be recovered, but the damn computer wouldn't boot without that drive. Kubuntu was told to install on the Maxtor and leave the WD alone. It was ok on the trial of Kubuntu so the glitch just happened. He will repair it to my taste. I heard no flak about my opinion of Windows. Both HD were 80G. I rarely stash anything on the computer. The computer has been in that configuration since XP started gaining momentum. I've rarely had it crash or misbehave. It was 98SE/2K, went to 2K/XP and the upgrade to the graphics card finished 2K. That's when Ubuntu got installed. Since MS in its wisdom decided you only "rented" XP. I took it off line and it's stayed offline. The laptops have restore points.
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That's DRM(Digital Restrictions Management), that Disney, the MPAA, etc. insists upon.
IMO anything with DRM like that, you're not actually buying it, you're only leasing it, and they end and revoke
that lease any time they like. Yeh I'm sure it makes people upset and just encourages piracy as well.
I've run into Disney's DRM with embroidery machines. Brother machines included Disney designs
and the caveats on those were awful. Disney didn't want you selling the clothes you made for
your own kids in a yard sale after your kids outgrew them.
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That's DRM(Digital Restrictions Management), that Disney, the MPAA, etc. insists upon. IMO anything with DRM like that, you're not actually buying it, you're only leasing it, and they end and revoke that lease any time they like. Yeh I'm sure it makes people upset and just encourages piracy as well.
Yeah. It encourages piracy just so we can kick them where it hurts :/
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The one I linked to.
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