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Old June 2nd, 2014, 05:41 PM   #2001 (permalink)
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I've recently installed ArchLinux and been having a ball using it. It is a very nice minimum distro and you add whatever else you need/want to it. I guess it is very good on low spec hardware.

I'm currently running Mate, a fork of Gnome2, one of my favorite desktop environments.
I also installed Openbox and i3 Window Manager.

I'm trying to keep the bloat, unnessary software, off of it, so I won't install anything to do with KDE.

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My only problem with Linux right now...bcm4313 drivers for the newer kernel. They don't seem to always work. Even the open source b43 gives me issues on anything newer than kernel 3.2 I believe...
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I just read a pretty positive review of Mint 17... I have to get hold of Toshiba for a battery problem (warranty expires in August), and may end up having to rebuild my laptop.

Anyway, just wondering if anyone here has tried the Cinnamon variant of 17.

I am running 15 Cinnamon with KDE on top of that (I prefer different wallpapers on each desktop) and I'm curious about the new version.
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So wonder whatever happened to the Linux Sub Forum that was being talked about awhile back?
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Never happened... and we keep posting our problems in here.
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Good grief, we're extremists
Linux Today - NSA: Linux Journal is an "extremist forum" and its readers get flagged for extra surveillance
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Geez, been busy doing a bunch of new linux stuff since I last posted in this here topic.

First, I decided to throw Ubuntu server 13.10 on my old legacy desktop rig (the one running Win98SE and a 3Dfx Voodoo5 AGP card ), which I last had upgraded with a second, now primary hard drive containing WinXP sp3 -- that drive now is split between ubuntu server and XP-SP3, with the win98 drive being relegated to being the secondary drive, resulting in my first at-home triple boot!

Mainly did this so I can use the legacy rig as a print server, and so that I can use grub to boot into 98SE without messing with bios configurations (NTLDR didn't want to admit 98SE existed on the second drive. Talk about stubborn). Got everything set up properly, and printing across the network at home is NICE.

Which brings me to my second and third points. Mint 17 came out, and I used the opportunity to migrate my laptop's linux partition away from mint 16 kde (sorry, Moody!!) to mint 17 cinnamon, and it works well. My experience with ubuntu server on the legacy rig introduced me to tasksel, and in its listing I saw ubuntu studio /audio creation utilty stuff.

So, I used tasksel on my Mint 17 install to put that stuff on -- the result of which is that my apps menu is now too tall for my screen resolution, so back to tasksel I went to remove it.....and it removed too much!

I'm still picking up the pieces. Cinammon, MDM, software sources, software manager, and I'm sure more were removed in the blanket chaos. Xfce and lightdm somehow got installed as a fallback, so the next time I booted I had a hearty WTF.

But hey, repairing it has been a fun learning experience!
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I just spotted this article:
Linux Today - 11 ways LXLE Linux will make you forget all about XP

This is the one big rant I have with Linux and accessory makers. I don't want a damn all-in-one or an HP printer or scanner. I had a professional Epson scanner that was better than all of them. I also like my i6000 Canon inkjet. It still works. It prints great photos through Photoshop. (GIMP doesn't control the printer - you can't calibrate printer and screen to software) Why do I have to buy new? (I did finally figure out a workaround) I know mfg wants you to buy new, but they are making profits off the INK, not the device.

Can't this workaround be made available for all distros?
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My Brother AIO printer has been working great on a few distros without issues. It has to be over 5 yrs old or older. I'm currently running Mageia 4 and Archlinux and its working fine with those.
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Hey there everybody! I've been missing in action but am back now.

I've just ordered my first ever pre-installed *buntu laptop, a System76 with a 17.3" screen. It'll ship with Ubuntu 14.04 LTS 64 bit, which I'll change to KDE/Kubuntu ASAP.

Hope all my fellow Linux users are doing well.
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Having spent a bit of time dabbling... I now have 4 laptops (used by various family members) running ubuntu gnome.. and they're doing all they need to do, a lot faster than when they were running the now defunct windows xp.

Just wished i'd switched earlier
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Agreed, I'm using 12.04 unity Ubuntu, best decision I've ever made. Gave life to my old PC, an official release, Ubuntu is easy to use, while allowing crazy things to happen if I so desire.

A lot of people complain about Linux, its free man, compare that to 199 USD for the home edition of proprietary. Plus wine makes things a whole lot easier. And I mean, a whole lot.
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Looks like Mint 15 is end of life, so I will be trying to install 17 on the side... I may try going straight to the KDE version then adding in the Gnomish programs I prefer.
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Looks like Mint 15 is end of life, so I will be trying to install 17 on the side... I may try going straight to the KDE version then adding in the Gnomish programs I prefer.
That's what I like to do, install KDE and then pick and choose the few GNOME programs I like, such as gParted and Synaptic.
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I've never been a fan of KDE. Don't get me wrong. Its very polished and works well. I just prefer OpenBox. Much more minimal, which is what I aim for. Even my conky script is incredibly minimal. Shows my HDD, ram, CPU, and net speed. No uptime, weather, mail, etc.
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I've never been a fan of KDE. Don't get me wrong. Its very polished and works well. I just prefer OpenBox. Much more minimal, which is what I aim for. Even my conky script is incredibly minimal. Shows my HDD, ram, CPU, and net speed. No uptime, weather, mail, etc.
Aren't 'Conky script' and 'minimal' mutually exclusive terms?
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Haha! Not necessarily. It depends on how exactly your conky is set up.
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I've never been a fan of KDE. Don't get me wrong. Its very polished and works well. I just prefer OpenBox.
And therein lies the beauty of Linux: CHOICE! So many choices.
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And therein lies the beauty of Linux: CHOICE! So many choices.
The double edged sword of Linux "Choice" lets face it some people can't even figure out what they want to eat much less what they want running their computers
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Exactly! Unlike Windows where you can change minor things. Linux, you can be like "man, this DE is lame...*opens terminal and installs a new one*"

I have to say. OpenBox and Arch on my netbook is an awesome combination! Though next best for performance would be LXDE. It performs surprisingly well on the little netbook.
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Very true, my froggie friend. BUT, at least with Linux we can say, "oh, no, there are too many choices! I'll leave things as they are." Or not.
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The double edged sword of Linux "Choice" lets face it some people can't even figure out what they want to eat much less what they want running their computers
Give me a pizza or a burger. Done. Lol. Deciding what I want to do with my OS....that takes forever.
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Give me a pizza or a burger. Done. Lol. Deciding what I want to do with my OS....that takes forever.
Exactly! I could easily spend days just fine tuning my preferred widget style, QtCurve. Good grief, its options combined with other system options literally yield infinite choices. I've finally gotten to where I just set it up a standard way and be done with it. Otherwise...I'd never get anything else done.
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Exactly! Unlike Windows where you can change minor things. Linux, you can be like "man, this DE is lame...*opens terminal and installs a new one*"

I have to say. OpenBox and Arch on my netbook is an awesome combination! Though next best for performance would be LXDE. It performs surprisingly well on the little netbook.
So true. Personally I'm a fan of LXDE and GNOME (I have both but can never seem to decide which one I like better)
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Damn!

I downloaded the .iso, verified the md5 hash, and tried burning the image to DVD.

Three times-- twice using Brasero (hangs up trying to verify the burned disc), once (theoretically successfully) with Win 8.1.

The laptop fails to recognize any of the discs as having any data on them.

I am going to have to use Dngrswife's machine, I guess.
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Damn!

I downloaded the .iso, verified the md5 hash, and tried burning the image to DVD.

Three times-- twice using Brasero (hangs up trying to verify the burned disc), once (theoretically successfully) with Win 8.1.

The laptop fails to recognize any of the discs as having any data on them.

I am going to have to use Dngrswife's machine, I guess.
What distro?
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Is it possible to install from usb?
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Probably not... EFI
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Not sure it matters that it is efi most distros have efi support. I would try the usb really shouldn't be any difference From installing from cd or usb
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HM.

I'll look into it, then.
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Okay, using USB Image Writer to create my bootable thumb drive...

Let us see what happens after that.
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As ridiculous (-ly awesome?) as it sounds, I've lately been using a single DVD-RW disc to burn my isos, linux or otherwise, onto. Just format > start burning. UEFI or non-UEFI, 32 or 64 bit, its all worked well.

Dngrsone, you could always use imgburn to burn your dvd isos -- the program in my exprience is intelligent enough to predict and avoid burning errors and has NEVER produced a coaster.
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I'll keep that in mind, Joel. The USB Image writer did the job right the first time, though.

I just have to figure out the best way to go about this so I don't break my existing installs...
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Hmmm.....perhaps my UEFI linux dualboot how-to could be of some use here?

What other installs are you putting this one alongside? If they're modern enough (Win8.x) I'd say you could ignore the parts about turning secureboot off as ubuntu 14.04 should fully support it. I know mint 17 does.

Just remember, though, if you are doing a manual partion setup and have other existing OSes, you'll need to drop the bootloader into the ESP partition, not the beginning of the drive. In my case its /dev/sda2 as opposed to straight /dev/sda.
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Hmmm.....perhaps my UEFI linux dualboot how-to could be of some use here?

What other installs are you putting this one alongside? If they're modern enough (Win8.x) I'd say you could ignore the parts about turning secureboot off as ubuntu 14.04 should fully support it. I know mint 17 does.

Just remember, though, if you are doing a manual partion setup and have other existing OSes, you'll need to drop the bootloader into the ESP partition, not the beginning of the drive. In my case its /dev/sda2 as opposed to straight /dev/sda.
I have Win 8.1 and Mint 15 with rEFInd as my boot manager.
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Then (if I read your other post right in moody's other thread), you'll still need to drop grub into /dev/sda2 and rEFInd should handle the rest, if it's designed to take a roll call of what's in your /EFI/boot/ directory at boot time.

If not, you need to go through whatever manual update process rEFInd has to get it to show up.

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Crap, hold up, just remembered. Both mint versions set their EFI files in /EFI/boot/Ubuntu/.

Are you just upgrading, or are mint 15 and 17 gonna be alongside? If doing a side by side, you're gonna have to rename the current Ubuntu folder to something else, pre-install, then let the mint 17 installer make a new one, then configure rEFInd with everybody's new locations.

And try not to let it chainload to grub. It has a bug where it won't find any mint bootloaders that aren't in a folder named ubuntu. Stupid, I know, but as far as I know they haven't fixed it yet.
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They are going to be side-by-side for now-- I like to have a known-working one while I mess around with a new one.

I normally have my computer in Secure Boot, so in order to have Mint running I had to certify my mint installer. That bypasses the boot chain.

I am thinking that what will happen after the install is that the machine will default boot to Win, and I will be able to tell Windows 8.1 to use the rEFInd boot manager again.

I just hope I will not have to do some juggling in the CLI mode after that.
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Okay, install done. Didn't break rEFInd, just have to certificate the new install.
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I take it you're not using the standard shim that mint 17 comes packaged with? I am using secureboot, too, and the installer was able to pass all the cryptographic key checks without me needing to fiddle with it in the first place....
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Hmm... Didn't work that way last time. I guess I will turn Secure Boot back on and see what happens.
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From experience, you'll need to run the installer iso with secure boot on, so that it boots using the shim and then, when it comes to installing the kernel and grub2, it knows to put the shim there too.

Downside is that if you ever look at your UEFI boot menu, you may have two ubuntu boot entries. One is shim'd, the other is not, and won't work with secure boot. This is apparently intentional on the part of the installer designers.
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From experience, you'll need to run the installer iso with secure boot on, so that it boots using the shim and then, when it comes to installing the kernel and grub2, it knows to put the shim there too.

Downside is that if you ever look at your UEFI boot menu, you may have two ubuntu boot entries. One is shim'd, the other is not, and won't work with secure boot. This is apparently intentional on the part of the installer designers.
I find all this fascinating and informative, as I've not had the occasion to deal with it myself. Love seeing this kind of helpful info posted and shared.
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Weird. On my one laptop with secure boot..I disabled it and poof...was done. O.o huh...
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Hmm... Didn't work that way last time. I guess I will turn Secure Boot back on and see what happens.
Not surprised. Mint 15 is based on what, 13.04? I had secure boot problems with 13.04 but not 13.10 and onward.

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Weird. On my one laptop with secure boot..I disabled it and poof...was done. O.o huh...
I, uh,, .....wha?! I think your subject-verb agreement in that sentence is missing. I also like a little more "story" with my story, thank you.
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Ha! I had to get some coffee. All is well now.

What I meant by that is I have a satellite C855D laptop, came with Windows 8, secure boot and such. I went into the BIOS, disabled said option, and was able to install a new OS without an issue. Never has to run an installer with secure boot on.
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Meh, spoke too early. The new Grub installed (which does work in Secure Boot) has taken over as boot loader, so now I have to figure out how to restore rEFInd. I may have to reinstall it from within Mint 17...
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Okay, fixed it with:

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sudo efibootmgr -o 0005
where hex 0005 is the ident for the rEFInd bootloader.

I have to weed out some of the useless kernels...
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Has anyone used the Razor-qt desktop and if so what are your thoughts?
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It's at 0.5, dude. I have trouble enough with 'finished' DEs like Unity when they first come out.


... oh, BTW I will have to certificate that new install, probably because I am using a different bootloader. Not too big a deal, just have to relearn how to do it.

Unfortunately, I may have to send my laptop back out to Toshiba again, because it seems they broke my optical changing my battery.
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