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Old January 27th, 2013, 09:22 PM   #201 (permalink)
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After I renamed the file, I rebooted the system, which didn't come back up. Yes, I could have booted into Salix Linux and chrooted into Mageia to rename the file but it gave me a chance to test my backup.

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After I renamed the file, I rebooted the system, which didn't come back up. Yes, I could have booted into Salix Linux and chrooted into Mageia to rename the file but it gave me a chance to test my backup.
Ah, I see. Well, it's good to know you're getting good backups.
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Yes it is good to have backups that work. I had done the latest backup on Jan. 25, so I lost two days of updates for Mageia. It means after the backup, and I ran the update command, it installed 250+ update files.
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i brought my system down by a bad edit of /etc/fstab and it was a headache fixing it but i can understand the pain!

my face turns white if i see this on reboot:

Kernel: PANIC unable to mount root fs

thankfully i got it back up again. all i did was disable auto-fsck. wasn't supposed to render the system unbootable.
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i brought my system down by a bad edit of /etc/fstab and it was a headache fixing it but i can understand the pain!
I never deal with stuff like this--simply because I've been in a 25+ year habit of ALWAYS saving copies of system files before changing them. I can't tell you how many headaches this simple, two second, painless habit has saved me! There's nothing involved but restoring the original file, and you're back in business.

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But that's always possible when editing system files. We're human, we can make mistakes...even really bad ones. That's why I got into the habit back at the beginning of my *nix days of saving a good copy of a file before screwing around with it. I can't stress strongly enough how worth it it is to do this.

I've long [as in, from the get-go] been in the habit of saving the good copy as system_file.orig, for example, fstab.orig. Then when I make changes to the file now named fstab, if I mess it up I just cp fstab.orig fstab and I'm good to go. With NO headaches.
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my best one so far was I did a dd on a backup drive. Lost all my backups because it was the wrong drive i was putting a file on. good thing it was backups I didn't really loose anything as I just formatted and rebacked up everything but i certainly learned to triple check when I go and do any kind of dd operation.
That's why my own home directory backup procedure includes copying the files to a "holding pen" where I can examine the files before they're archived. After I was satisfied that the backups worked, I just kept the second copy "just in case", which has been fortunate on the several occasions when I've deleted an entire directory wholesale. (Windows 7 has a bug in Windows Exploder that changes focus from the right pane to the left when I'm not looking.)

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my best one so far was I did a dd on a backup drive. Lost all my backups because it was the wrong drive i was putting a file on. good thing it was backups I didn't really loose anything as I just formatted and rebacked up everything but i certainly learned to triple check when I go and do any kind of dd operation.
"Let's see, `dd if=/var of=/dev/sda' and Enter...wait, no! sdb! sdb!!!" Yep, I've been there before.

The worst I ever saw was when it was discovered that the nightly backup tapes (that nobody ever checked to see if there was anything on them or not) turned out to contain no files whatsoever. This was at a medical institution, where lost data could possibly cost a life. That taught me a valuable lesson or two! I don't do tape backups any more, but I do copy the listing of new archive files into my backup log file, and check the logs from time to time.

Now that I think about it, I should have my backup script do a `diff' of the listing and the source files, and text me if they don't match. "Note to self..."
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Does anyone know where YouTube videos are stored now? They used to be cached--as entire flv files, but named like DB07D823d01--in /tmp, but that stopped some time ago. Since Google is my friend, I've done a lot of looking around on this issue, but I've come up empty.

My normal browser is SeaMonkey; looking in its cache while playing a YouTube video doesn't yield one file as before. Now there are a bunch of files, again with names like DB07D823d01 and also _CACHE_002_. Some of the files contain info such as my YouTube account name and are clearly not video files. Concatenating all but the obviously non-video files together does not yield one playable file. In fact, none of the files, even viewed individually, plays as a video.

I've also tried Chrome and Firefox. With Chrome, the files are saved with names such as f_000098 and data_2 in the ~/.cache/google-chrome/Default/Cache directory.

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f_000009: Macromedia Flash data (compressed), version 17
f_00000f: Macromedia Flash data (compressed), version 10
f_000014: Macromedia Flash data (compressed), version 10
f_000015: Macromedia Flash data (compressed), version 10
f_000016: Macromedia Flash data (compressed), version 10
f_000019: Macromedia Flash data (compressed), version 9
f_00001a: Macromedia Flash data (compressed), version 9
f_000060: Macromedia Flash data (compressed), version 9
f_00006e: Macromedia Flash data (compressed), version 17
f_000084: Macromedia Flash data (compressed), version 10
f_000085: Macromedia Flash data (compressed), version 10
f_000086: Macromedia Flash data (compressed), version 9
f_000088: Macromedia Flash Video
The only file that plays in the example above is the last one, f_000088, but it's only a brief video (in this case it was an ad, a movie trailer, which I never actually saw while viewing YouTube videos, thanks to AdBlock. ) None of the files identified as "Macromedia Flash data (compressed)" is playable.

Firefox, predictably, yields the same results as SeaMonkey.

Any ideas?
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Does anyone know where YouTube videos are stored now?
They're stored on the Amazon Web Services cloud. In the US, there are data centers in the Washington, D.C. area on the east coast, and in the San Francisco Bay area and Seattle, WA on the west coast.

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They used to be cached--as entire flv files, but named like DB07D823d01--in /tmp, but that stopped some time ago.
In the past the videos may have been downloaded and played instead of being truly streamed. But to keep viewers from saving the videos (which loses ad revenue for both Google and their clients), the videos are now streamed.

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There is a variety of software out there that can sometimes save some Flash streams. But because YouTube and other sites are specifically using Flash streaming to keep this from happening, I'm afraid that I can't help you beyond that for ethical and legal reasons.

My advice is to enjoy the product as it was intended to be viewed. If you need a hard copy of a video for some reason, you can contact the owner of that video and see if they will provide one for you.

I put my dailies up on YouTube, and make them available only to the client I'm shooting for. When the clients put up the video on their own sites, even I'm not allowed to use that video for my own purposes. Sometimes local TV stations will request a copy so they can air excerpts as news, and the clients who want to have news coverage usually honor these requests. I don't know what they'd do for private parties, but it can't hurt to ask.
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In the past the videos may have been downloaded and played instead of being truly streamed. But to keep viewers from saving the videos (which loses ad revenue for both Google and their clients), the videos are now streamed.
They're already losing ad revenue with people like me who never see their ads.

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My advice is to enjoy the product as it was intended to be viewed. If you need a hard copy of a video for some reason, you can contact the owner of that video and see if they will provide one for you.
This creates double uploading work for me. I used to be able to post videos on YouTube, point friends/relatives to them, and they could save them by copying the flv file saved in /tmp. Now I have to upload to YouTube AND upload to one of my web sites' servers. If someone views a video on YouTube and wants a copy, they have to go to my site to pull it from there. And even though I have 'unlimited' space with the hosting plans I use, using up tons of space holding videos to download doesn't go over well.
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They're already losing ad revenue with people like me who never see their ads.
Although you may be able to get it so you don't have to see the ads, many sites will not work unless you enable cookies. And once you do that, you're letting in all those tracking cookies that make as much income as the ads. Needless to say, enough people see the ads to make it worthwhile for the site owner.

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This creates double uploading work for me. I used to be able to post videos on YouTube, point friends/relatives to them, and they could save them by copying the flv file saved in /tmp. Now I have to upload to YouTube AND upload to one of my web sites' servers. If someone views a video on YouTube and wants a copy, they have to go to my site to pull it from there. And even though I have 'unlimited' space with the hosting plans I use, using up tons of space holding videos to download doesn't go over well.
You get what you pay for. If you want a real CDN for your videos, you gotta pay for one of the pro video services.

IME with my family, I can't think of a relative of mine that knows or cares enough to actually save a video file, or find it if they did. YouTube is a "least common denominator" that at least my younger family members can figure out. If I need to put up a video or some other BLOB on a web server so I can link to it in an e-mail, I just rm the file after a month or so. Just as we use free() to forestall memory leaks, I clean out my BLOBs after everyone has had a reasonable time to download them.

At least that's what works for me.
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I just downloaded what should be a super neat Star Trek LCARS desktop theme from KDE-Look.org. unfortunately, when i go to appearance setup, it only allows me to 'get new themes' and download the limited choices available--it seems to have no means of browsing my hard disk to select a previously downloaded theme--the problem with the choices is that the particular theme i want is not listed. i tried clicking the extracted archive for the theme's setup but it just spawns a document viewer. if it helps, it's a Superkaramba theme. there is no way to apply it!

when i try to install via superkaramba it spits this at me:

SuperKaramba cannot continue to run this theme.One or more of the required components of the Kross scripting architecture is not installed. Please consult this theme's documentation and install the necessary Kross components.

unfortunately, any attempts to find this mystery Kross end in 'package not found'
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You get what you pay for. If you want a real CDN for your videos, you gotta pay for one of the pro video services.
I definitely don't need anything like that. I just need a way for people who want to have a copy of a video to get a copy. Until YouTube changed the way they cache streaming videos, the old way worked perfectly. You could just sit and watch its size increase until it stopped increasing, then you knew the full video was ready to be copied.

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Mine can and do. Friends, too.

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YouTube is a "least common denominator" that at least my younger family members can figure out. If I need to put up a video or some other BLOB on a web server so I can link to it in an e-mail, I just rm the file after a month or so. Just as we use free() to forestall memory leaks, I clean out my BLOBs after everyone has had a reasonable time to download them.

At least that's what works for me.
But doesn't work well for me. I always SAY I'm going to delete a video from my server after X amount of days, but I end up not doing it because of procrastination on other people's parts. Then I forget all about them...and they're still sitting there.
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Samsung NP-R467 laptop reboots when trying to start live Linux Mint 13 Maya(Ubuntu 12.04 LTS based).

Got a laptop here, a Samsung NP-R467, and we're trying to make it boot Linux Mint from a USB stick. With the eventual intention of installing a Linux OS, to replace the usual spyware filled pirated Windows XP with IE6, that this laptop is running.

However as soon as Mint attempts to start it's just rebooting. I know there's nothing wrong with the live Linux Mint USB stick, because it starts and runs on other PCs just fine. Unfortunately we can't download other distros to try at the moment, as we've only got a metered CDMA/EV-DO internet connection, for the next week or so due to location, so no huge downloads.
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I definitely don't need anything like that. I just need a way for people who want to have a copy of a video to get a copy. Until YouTube changed the way they cache streaming videos, the old way worked perfectly. You could just sit and watch its size increase until it stopped increasing, then you knew the full video was ready to be copied.
It looks like they're locking down Flash. Not much we can do about it.

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But doesn't work well for me. I always SAY I'm going to delete a video from my server after X amount of days, but I end up not doing it because of procrastination on other people's parts. Then I forget all about them...and they're still sitting there.
I know how it is. Believe me, if I knew of a better solution, I'd be using it. If you're forgetful, you can set up a cron job to do the cleanup.

The greater issue is that lots of Internet-based businesses are getting serious about making profits. The days of free, or even cheap Internet services are going away. They're not leaving much room for free and easy.
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I just installed a minimum KDE4 on my system, since I need to test it for any issues that I'm seeing with Gnome 3. I need to know if the issues of crashing is caused my Mageia 3 Beta or Gnome 3, since Mga is a KDE based distro by default.

In order to install the minimum, I ran this command, " urpmi task-kde4-minimal", and it wanted to install over 350 files. Then I ran this command, "urpmi task-kde4-minimal --no-suggests" and it installed over 160 files.

So far I'm satisfied and will use KDE for a while. I do like it but just wish programs could be installed without including a lot of other programs I may not want.

Just my thought on KDE.
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Speed Daemon, I hear you! You are not an admin until you have trashed a system by mistake. In the late 80's, I was working on an AIX system running a Wang VS emulator, as was still fairly new to UNIX. There was a directory off the root of the disk called $SCRATCH, where our applications put temporary files. I needed to clean that out, so I logged in as root, and did:

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Well, system went down. Bring out the tapes - we needed a restore! The upside of the whole issue was we finally got system manuals - the whole argument about "just mount the CD - you don't need a paper version!" went out the window that day.
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Speed Daemon, I hear you! You are not an admin until you have trashed a system by mistake. In the late 80's, I was working on an AIX system running a Wang VS emulator, as was still fairly new to UNIX. There was a directory off the root of the disk called $SCRATCH, where our applications put temporary files. I needed to clean that out, so I logged in as root, and did:

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$ rm $SCRATCH/*

Well, system went down. Bring out the tapes - we needed a restore! The upside of the whole issue was we finally got system manuals - the whole argument about "just mount the CD - you don't need a paper version!" went out the window that day.
Interesting.

That place where I was had just replaced its AIX / serial terminal system with SCO, and had a duplicate NT4 server. Restoring from tape became a major headache because the two tape restore boot floppies, which had been perched atop an electrical junction box, didn't work. I had some consultant to call for help, and all the guy could think of was to snail mail me a new set of floppies. No thanks! I had to talk him through the process of creating images of them using dd, and then e-mailing them to me. (IIRC I scrounged in the trash for discarded AOL floppies to use, because there were no other fresh blank ones.)

Then I discovered that the FreeBSD box running our mail system was full-up because someone in the school office had e-mailed a separate copy of the "dancing baby" video to everyone in the office, filling up the 512MB HD and creating a long backlog of queued e-mails rushing into the system after I cleared the logjam.

The bottom line was it was well after midnight by the time I left; my longest first day on the job ever! But everything was better than how I found it. And with all the failings I had uncovered during the debacle, my boss the president decided that it wouldn't be wise to make me the scapegoat for whatever brought down the SCO system.

That was good for him because later on, on the night before a big registration day, the busiest time for the SCO box especially, a CPU fan in the SCO box failed and the box died. Because the NT and SCO boxes were otherwise identical, I swapped the SCO disks into the NT box and used it as the SCO box forever after. But I needed an NT PDC as well for things to go well the next day, so I went home, grabbed some parts, and turned my desktop PC into a temporary NT server until the Compaq service people could replace the blown CPU and associated hardware on the server box.

That evening I left for home at 10AM the following day, after I was satisfied that my hackneyed setup was actually working.

My peers at the sister schools didn't like it much, because I had made them look bad in comparison. Boo-hoo for them. A UNIX admin doesn't give up in the face of adversity, because we live for the challenge!
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has anyone gotten sabayon 10 to work in live mode? I tried the kde version but it wouldn't give me a screen. Thought I would try safe mode if its not an install.
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has anyone gotten sabayon 10 to work in live mode? I tried the kde version but it wouldn't give me a screen. Thought I would try safe mode if its not an install.
I did with the MATE fork, I believe. Sabayon was cool, but meh. I'm back on Puppy for my one laptop...2gb of ram and a 1.4ghz dual core processor on Puppy = incredibly fast laptop ;D Makes me a happy camper.
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bad thing about Puppy is their proprietary repos. every app must have a *.pet extension. and the latest MacPup still has an obsolete Firefox repo. i had to manually do the tarball install and then i had to launch it from terminal as the icon refused to point to it-always loaded the older version

Puppy is also permenant root. some may prefer that but it is insecure
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Does anyone use Google Music Manager? I'm having a heck of time getting it installed on Megia 3 Beta, it did work with Mageia 2.

I keep getting this error message and I did install qtwebkit5.
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A requested package cannot be installed:
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Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
While some packages may have been installed, there were failures.
A requested package cannot be installed:
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bad thing about Puppy is their proprietary repos. every app must have a *.pet extension. and the latest MacPup still has an obsolete Firefox repo. i had to manually do the tarball install and then i had to launch it from terminal as the icon refused to point to it-always loaded the older version

Puppy is also permenant root. some may prefer that but it is insecure
I'm not familiar with Puppy (only used it as a live disc once), but could you not create a non-root user?
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not sure. i just remember Puppy being designed to run as permenant root. not even a password. it just *boots* and that's it. it never bothered me either way i just hated being locked into their repos and any app outside had to be launched from a terminal as for some reason i could never point the icon to the newer version (an upgraded Firefox would install, but even changing the working directory of the Firefox icon would always load the original version instead, and uninstalling deleted the icon altogether, and i haven't yet found a right-click 'send to desktop (create shortcut)' in there yet)
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I've played with Puppy briefly. I much prefer DSL, though it does not seem to be under development anymore.

I agree with the packages thing, and Puppy really isn't intended on being a permanent OS-- you fix it up the way you want it, burn it to disc and use it from disc. Sort of a portable "I'm going to use linux anywhere I want" type of solution, which isn't necessarily a bad thing-- I've used DSL or knoppix several times in the past to fix MS computers on the sly or work around unnecessary restrictions in corporate settings.
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Does anyone use Google Music Manager? I'm having a heck of time getting it installed on Megia 3 Beta, it did work with Mageia 2.

I keep getting this error message and I did install qtwebkit5.

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Okay, I got this sorted out. I had to run this command:

# urpmi google-musicmanager-beta

It finally installed and running now!
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Just to update on this. Safemode didn't work either so I did some checking around and it seems that my ati driver is the culprit. I was able to disable the splash screen and remove vga=791 and all is now well
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I'm finally through playing with Christmas toys and almost ready to stick Mint on the computer.

I have older files I downloaded and installed from - FX and TB ESR for example that I can grab the downloaded file for .
But I'd also like some stuff that is in 11.04. I don't want the new install of Skype. The more MS gets involved with it the less I like - but daughter uses it. Any way I can still access the repository for 11.04?
I'd also like the card games that are in the new Kubuntu repository. Someone said they are all available, but I have no idea as to how to access them.

I also have to hunt for the exact wording for the command line. My mind goes blank and reverts to whatever DOS I remember.

I want to back up everything before I install. Can anyone help, please?
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if you want older software you can simply add the PPA to it. that is how i replaced LibreOffice with OpenOffice. Kubuntu uses MUON package manager, which is part of KDE. i think you can separately install both to regular Ubuntu though.

if all you want to do is simply upgrade your distro you can make sure your /home folder is on a separate partition and then it doesn't get wiped on a reformat/install. this way your apps and settings are preserved.
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Ubuntu is not installed on a partitioned drive. I have 2 separate HD on the computer.
I use XP for Adobe products on the other HD and it is off-line as the internet connection is disabled.

The HD Ubuntu is on was originally 2K, and I just let Ubuntu have all of it.

Where can I find information in basic English on how to do this?

I've tried books - either they just tell you HOW to RUN programs (that has never been a problem) or HOW to program - which is farther than I really want to go. I like to tweak until I have things my way, then that's it. I leave it alone.

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what exactly are you wanting to do? if you want to tweak install KDE.
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Ubuntu is not installed on a partitioned drive. I have 2 separate HD on the computer.
I use XP for Adobe products on the other HD and it is off-line as the internet connection is disabled.

The HD Ubuntu is on was originally 2K, and I just let Ubuntu have all of it.

Where can I find information in basic English on how to do this?

I've tried books - either they just tell you HOW to RUN programs (that has never been a problem) or HOW to program - which is farther than I really want to go. I like to tweak until I have things my way, then that's it. I leave it alone.

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If I'm understanding you correctly, the ubuntu installer should see the windows install, and offer up a dual boot as an option.
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Alias's are like dos macro's right?

do I need to put my alias in a bash file to run at startup in order to make them work?
I think you can put them in your $HOME/.bashrc file

I'm not sure what a dos macro is, but in unix an alias is just a 'shortcut' for a command. A common one is ll as opposed to ls -al
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I just installed a minimum KDE4 on my system, since I need to test it for any issues that I'm seeing with Gnome 3. I need to know if the issues of crashing is caused my Mageia 3 Beta or Gnome 3, since Mga is a KDE based distro by default.
After a few weeks of using KDE4, I must say it's looking better then I remember. I haven't switched back to Gnome 3 yet and really enjoying it.

It looks like some of the issues with G3 may be the problem because I'm not having any since using KDE. But I must remember, Mageia is a KDE distro, so all others are treated like step children!
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With all the chaos of my mom's situation, I haven't read the posts in this thread recently.

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It's not that big of a deal. I mean, I'm PAYING for 'unlimited' space on all of my domains' servers, but I found out the hard way that they get testy about what exactly that means. I had backed up several hundred GBs of data on one domain's server. I had intended for it to be temporary...but I forgot all about it. Until I got a stern warning from the hosting company.

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Right, I understand that, but with YouTube videos that are not restricted as far as their uploaders are concerned should be made available for download.
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After a few weeks of using KDE4, I must say it's looking better then I remember. I haven't switched back to Gnome 3 yet and really enjoying it.
If you take the time to really explore the ZILLIONS of customization possibilities, I doubt you'll ever leave KDE!
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Currently running Fedora 17 with Gnome 3 and Sabayon 10 with KDE 4. I actually down graded from fedora 18 as I do not like the way Gnome is going and I especially don't like not having customization in nautilus. I prefer single click to double click for instance. (I get this with the fish one ) Gnome seems to be becoming more like that glass and fruit companies

Linux has always been very customizable. I really hope they don't walk away from that. I had recently ran PC-BSD which I would still be running had it not had the issue of denying me access to my external usb drives. An issue that could not be ignored.
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Seems a lot of OSs are going all Fisher-Price on us. not sure why though.

The only use i could get out of Unity that others could not was easily turning an older laptop into a router. my Belkin finally went dead so i had to build my own. click gears icon up top, select settings, click network, then wireless, then use as hotspot.
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Seems a lot of OSs are going all Fisher-Price on us. not sure why though.
That is where running a Window Manager comes into play. One of the good things about Linux, one still have choices!
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If you take the time to really explore the ZILLIONS of customization possibilities, I doubt you'll ever leave KDE!
Right, that's what make it kinda hard, too many! In fact I'm trying to figure out how to make the desktop look like this using the folder view!

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Seems a lot of OSs are going all Fisher-Price on us. not sure why though.
Yup... Windows especially. Possibly iOS and Mac OS X as well. Closed walled garden app stores, this is how you must use our OS, NO customising or tweaking, etc. Probably a dumbing down, make them easier and more appealing for your granny to use.

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The only use i could get out of Unity that others could not was easily turning an older laptop into a router. my Belkin finally went dead so i had to build my own. click gears icon up top, select settings, click network, then wireless, then use as hotspot.
That's the beauty of a GNU/Linux OS, you don't have to use Unity if you don't want to, you have a choice.

Windows RT on the other hand. You're stuck with the IMO "Fisher-Price" like Metro UI and whatever MS chooses to have in their walled garden. And that's it.
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With all due respect, MacOS has been dumbed down long before Windows ever existed. Back in the day, if a noob wanted to have an 'easy to use' computer, they bought a Mac. if they wanted a computer that was difficult but more usable, they bought an IBM PC-XT w/ DOS, or for the real hobbyist, a Radio Shack TRS-80 with CP/M.

Those days are long gone. even the early attempts at dumbing down the PC platform in the 1990s with MS Bob and Packard Bell Navigator were flops. and there were more who were resistant to computers than there are now. today, my mom could get a wireless printer going where i could not. and i am an A+ certified pro. my grandmother can use Win7. so it really is not necessary and i can see it going the same way that the early attempts did.

it is even coming back to the automobile market. remember the digital dash and talking cars? *beep* Your keys are in the ignition! *beep* your washer fluid is low! it's getting more advanced but i see a rehash of the 1980s again.
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With all due respect, MacOS has been dumbed down long before Windows ever existed. Back in the day, if a noob wanted to have an 'easy to use' computer, they bought a Mac. if they wanted a computer that was difficult but more usable, they bought an IBM PC-XT w/ DOS, or for the real hobbyist, a Radio Shack TRS-80 with CP/M.

Those days are long gone. even the early attempts at dumbing down the PC platform in the 1990s with MS Bob and Packard Bell Navigator were flops. and there were more who were resistant to computers than there are now. today, my mom could get a wireless printer going where i could not. and i am an A+ certified pro. my grandmother can use Win7.
Now my grandmother would ask, "What does this 'Your McAfee Antivirus Trial has expired.' mean?", I think she'd be safe with Windows RT.

Trouble is, I think there are many who just can't be safe, don't really know they're doing, or shouldn't be trusted with Windows in it's current form at all....two words.....Chinese botnet.

Was in Hubei Province last New Year, staying with a friend's family. Their Haier Genuine Windows 7 Home Basic laptop was filled with all sorts of malware and nasties. They didn't really know what they were doing with it. They're peasant farmers, and not really familiar with modern tech, apart from TV. They bought the laptop, so they could stay in touch with their sons and daughters. I think a locked-down appliance type internet device would great for them. Something like Windows RT or iOS. It's here, where budget Android tablets have been doing really well. Most people just use them for IM and e-mail.

For some people I think there might be no hope with tech. One of my students is an 8 year old girl. Parents bought her a new retina screen MacBook Pro(They're quite rich), to help her with education. They couldn't even work out how to download apps from the App Store in OS X....seriously.

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so it really is not necessary and i can see it going the same way that the early attempts did.
That's the way MS seems to be going this time, and committed to it AFAICT. We'll see how it turns out, and what the future holds for them.




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it is even coming back to the automobile market. remember the digital dash and talking cars? *beep* Your keys are in the ignition! *beep* your washer fluid is low! it's getting more advanced but i see a rehash of the 1980s again.
Ding ding..."FASTEN SEAT BELT!"...Ding ding..."FASTEN SEAT BELT!"
Ding ding..."系好安全带!"...Ding ding..."系好安全带!"
Which is what my friend's 2011 Shanghai MG says, every time we get in the thing.
Of course most people never use seat belts here.
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Right, I understand that, but with YouTube videos that are not restricted as far as their uploaders are concerned should be made available for download.
I think there's a setting that allows me to enable downloads if I want to. But IME most of the videos that I want are locked down. Although there may be ways of taking the forbidden videos anyway, I don't want to get sued to death by the MPAA!
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Ding ding..."FASTEN SEAT BELT!"...Ding ding..."FASTEN SEAT BELT!"
Ding ding..."系好安全带!"...Ding ding..."系好安全带!"
Which is what my friend's 2011 Shanghai MG says, every time we get in the thing.
Of course most people never use seat belts here.
You want some real "pucker factor"? Try flying along in IFR conditions, and hear "B****ing Betty say (in rapid succession):

"Terrain, Terrain";
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That'll make you spill the coffee you drank at breakfast!
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aren't the GPWS warnings often heard the last few seconds of an airline pilot's life? in most cases the only time you hear 'WHOOP! WHOOP! PULL UP! PULL UP!' is when the large jet is about to smack nose-first into the ground! it does make one hell of a cool ringtone though.

Too bad they couldn't have gotten William Daniels to do the electronic voice alerts in the old New Yorkers. that would have been neat since all the Knight Rider fanfare was going on and all. as i recall most of them used the same voice engine that was used in the Speak n' Spell toy.
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I am currently running a very cool live cd called elive. Its enlightenment 17 on top of debian "wheezy" Really Am liking this. May have to get this installed. Check it out and have fun.
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It looks nice, and I don't recall ever hearing of it before.
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I am currently running a very cool live cd called elive. Its enlightenment 17 on top of debian "wheezy" Really Am liking this. May have to get this installed. Check it out and have fun.
I ran it awhile back during my distro hopping days, then development had stalled for a long period, I got rid of it.

It's good it has made a comeback.
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Dual boot Win7 & Linux (PCLOS LXDE) WiFi is fone in Win7, WAS Fine in PCLOS until last update. Linux now thinks there's no wifi card. But iwlist begs to differ....

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[david@localhost ~]$ su Password: [root@localhost david]# iwlist eth1 scan eth1 Scan completed : Cell 01 - Address: C4:3D:C7:35:56:6C ESSID:"Sew-n-Wave" Mode:Managed Frequency:2.412 GHz (Channel 1) Quality:4/5 Signal level:-64 dBm Noise level:-92 dBm IE: IEEE 802.11i/WPA2 Version 1 Group Cipher : TKIP Pairwise Ciphers (2) : CCMP TKIP Authentication Suites (1) : PSK IE: Unknown: DD7E0050F204104A0001101044000102103B00010310470010 81A7E97D933E57734E08C5408D7D2B1C102100074E65746765 6172102300074E657467656172102400063132333435361042 0007303030303030311054000800060050F204000110110007 43473331303144100800022008103C0001011049000600372A 000120 IE: WPA Version 1 Group Cipher : TKIP Pairwise Ciphers (2) : CCMP TKIP Authentication Suites (1) : PSK Encryption keyn Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s 24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s; 9 Mb/s 12 Mb/s; 48 Mb/s Cell 02 - Address: 1C:1D:67:EA:10:B3 ESSID:"BTHub3-WWH5" Mode:Managed Frequency:2.412 GHz (Channel 1) Quality:1/5 Signal level:-89 dBm Noise level:-92 dBm IE: IEEE 802.11i/WPA2 Version 1 Group Cipher : TKIP Pairwise Ciphers (2) : CCMP TKIP Authentication Suites (1) : PSK IE: WPA Version 1 Group Cipher : TKIP Pairwise Ciphers (2) : CCMP TKIP Authentication Suites (1) : PSK Encryption keyn Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s 24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s; 9 Mb/s 12 Mb/s; 48 Mb/s
[root@localhost david]# iwlist eth1 retry eth1 Fixed limit ; min limit:1 max limit:255
Current moden min limit:7 max limit:4
[root@localhost david]#
Is the Max Limit 4 / Min limit 7 onretry that's the problem and if so how to reset retry limits to default?
Otherwise, what could the problem be. Google has failed me so far.

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From the Separtment of the Blindingly obvious.....
Connected via Ethernet, downloaded all updates from repo, wpa-supplicant was the culprit. new version installed, all good now.
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it was the first time I had heard of it myself. Its only for live mode though right now. the older version wouldn't pick up my video
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