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Speaking of bash scripts, I was screwing around a couple of nights ago and wrote a script that would compare 'facebook' friends of two people. It wasn't pretty, but for just kicking one out in a few minutes, it wasn't too bad. Pointless, and with the majority of it 'hardcoded' it wouldn't be moveable or anything, but hey, any reason to write a bash script.
I wish I knew sed and awk.
Time to bust out the man pages...
I actually like Unity. I do wish it were more customizable, though.
In the year and a half it's been out, I have managed to get things working decently (and convinced Mozilla to allow Classes again).
I do want to experiment with KDE a little more-- I want that level of power over the desktop, but I am comfortable with Ubuntu and Unity now, so I may try for a Unity-type desktop in a KDE environment.
KDE is powerful enough to accommodate me, the question is whether I have the time and patience to train both myself and KDE to get where I would like.
I had this current system I'm using for about 6 months or so and it came with Ubuntu & Unity. After playing around with Unity for about a month, it wasn't bad as I thought. I'm the type who do like to try different things and found it usable. I did end up removing it and putting Mageia & Gnome 3, along with KDE4 on the machine. So for now, this is what I'm using as my main computer.
I have an extra 250gb hard drive I'm going to install inside the computer and I may add Ubuntu & Unity again, along with Mageia and SalixOS. I just want to give Unity a fair shot of using it.
Speaking of bash scripts, I was screwing around a couple of nights ago and wrote a script that would compare 'facebook' friends of two people. It wasn't pretty, but for just kicking one out in a few minutes, it wasn't too bad. Pointless, and with the majority of it 'hardcoded' it wouldn't be moveable or anything, but hey, any reason to write a bash script.
I wish I knew sed and awk.
Time to bust out the man pages...
I'm not good with writing scripts either but have tried just for kicks. I do have a project I would like to get going for a backup script using Fsarchiver. It makes backups of partitions or folders, I mostly use it for partition backups. I may work on it this coming weekend since I'll be off work after tonight through Tues.
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I recently themes Ubuntu 12.10 more to my liking, but its still lacking in the file browser and just plain performance areas. I tried Cinnamon Mint, it was nice. Very plain looking but performed to par. If I could figure out an easy way to fix my bootloaders [dual boot linux/windows] when I delete a linux partition that would be awesome for hopping distros until i get comfortable on one, or I guess I could just Live CD them [my poor single hdd with 6 partitions ATM]. Thanks for all the input guys
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I recently themes Ubuntu 12.10 more to my liking, but its still lacking in the file browser and just plain performance areas.
As a Kubuntu user, I have no idea what you're talking about. If you didn't try Kubuntu, and/or installing KDE on Ubuntu and then booting it up, you really have no idea what you're missing.
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Thanks. *I* have used sed for over 25 years. However, the point of the 'lengthy script' was to teach a new bash scripting person how to step through various operations--and learn from them, without totally confusing them with symbols and sequences they'd have NO idea about.
I have lots of O'Reilly books on sed and awk, mastering regular expressions, so on and so forth. I still forget it faster than I learn it. Because I had PowerBASIC and WinBatch as a crutch (not to mention the Windows environment), I never really had to. My loss.
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I thought this was rather interesting... Javascript PC Emulator
A Linux OS booting and running in your browser using JavaScript.
Has anyone else tried it?
Hey, that's cool. Never heard of that until now. I did however see a 'paint' ripoff done with javascript and jquery this afternoon. Much cooler than anything I could do though.
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As a Kubuntu user, I have no idea what you're talking about. If you didn't try Kubuntu, and/or installing KDE on Ubuntu and then booting it up, you really have no idea what you're missing.
Looks like I'll be installing Kubuntu tonight to give it a run. Is there a way to remove a linux install [on a win7 dual boot] without completely screwing up the bootmgr? i have to pop in the windows disk, run bootrec commands, and set the correct partition again. or maybe i just need to set the partition...hmmmm
If I were you, I'd just install KDE on Ubuntu. A lot easier and a lot less risk involved. However, if you're dead set on installing Kubuntu, take a backup beforehand so if something does go wrong, you have something to restore with
Could someone explain to me the specific things that make KDE-on-Ubuntu better than Kubuntu? I thought that Kubuntu was KDE on Ubuntu! What's the difference?
Looks like I'll be installing Kubuntu tonight to give it a run. Is there a way to remove a linux install [on a win7 dual boot] without completely screwing up the bootmgr? i have to pop in the windows disk, run bootrec commands, and set the correct partition again. or maybe i just need to set the partition...hmmmm
Sorry, I can't help you--I don't do windows. But someone else will surely help out!
Well got mom converted to Linux...is it normal for a fresh install to have glitches? One in particular was how the network WEP password was deleted or even declined when the computer is shut down (mother is still used to Windows and the need to shut down) and restarted. I had to check the 'use as system connection' for the thing to work again. The wallpaper also got reset to default too and for now the wallpaper she chose seems to stick. Computer is an HP Core2Duo with Beats Audio...no model number on the laptop but it is huge and appears meant for multimedia...it came with Windows 7 and now runs Kubuntu 12:10. Themed in Windows fashion.
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If I were you, I'd just install KDE on Ubuntu. A lot easier and a lot less risk involved.
I couldn't disagree more.
Installing KDE from KDE.org can be a daunting experience for Linux newbies.
Installing KDE/Kubuntu from within Ubuntu, such as via Synaptic, can cause missed packages, components, applications, etc.
Installing Kubuntu directly from Kubuntu.org ensures a complete, unbroken installation.
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However, if you're dead set on installing Kubuntu, take a backup beforehand so if something does go wrong, you have something to restore with
Doing a backup prior to installing ANY new operating system on an existing computer is always a good idea. There's nothing particularly dangerous about installing Kubuntu. I've used it since its first release, and have yet to have a computer explode as a result.
Kubuntu lacks some of the features of the full blown unity-based variant. For me I had to reinstall a lot that was not installed by default in Kubuntu such as synaptic and software center, as the default KDE software center lacks a lot...also Firefox wasn't installed by default either and Rekonq sucks.
Could someone explain to me the specific things that make KDE-on-Ubuntu better than Kubuntu? I thought that Kubuntu was KDE on Ubuntu! What's the difference?
It's a tad bit confusing.
Kubuntu *IS* KDE on Ubuntu. But it's its own operating system, whereas KDE is simply a desktop environment. So Kubuntu is an OS, while KDE is a DE. See this reply I just posted, which may help a little.
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Well got mom converted to Linux...is it normal for a fresh install to have glitches? One in particular was how the network WEP password was deleted or even declined when the computer is shut down (mother is still used to Windows and the need to shut down) and restarted. I had to check the 'use as system connection' for the thing to work again. The wallpaper also got reset to default too and for now the wallpaper she chose seems to stick. Computer is an HP Core2Duo with Beats Audio...no model number on the laptop but it is huge and appears meant for multimedia...it came with Windows 7 and now runs Kubuntu 12:10. Themed in Windows fashion.
Right click the network icon and hit "edit connections" then make sure your wireless says available to all users? Only thing that comes to mind off the top of my head
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Thanks again guys, more than likely Ill just do the full kubuntu install, as i dont like overlaying packages. Not real dependent on Unity as i pretty much am a linux newb, good tip on re-acquiring software center, i do use that and apt-get for everything
honestly, so long as i get chrome-beta, jre, adb, and kitchen, which are all no problems, ill be fine. Just wanted a little more tech-friendly DE/UI with more snappy performance
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Sorry, I can't help you--I don't do windows. But someone else will surely help out!
If the FOSS utility disks can't do it, I go to pay-for products from Microsoft Platinum Partners like Paragon. The way I see it, Windows is a commercial product, and is always doing things to discourage FOSS solutions. So if you must have Windows, you must pony up for the pay-for utilities that are MS-blessed. "Let the company pay for it" is my motto re Windows.
Kubuntu *IS* KDE on Ubuntu. But it's its own operating system, whereas KDE is simply a desktop environment. So Kubuntu is an OS, while KDE is a DE.
Hey, don't forget who you're talking to, now!
I know that a Linux distribution is a conglomeration of the Linux kernel, some 3rd party device drivers, a whole bunch of utilities (and not just from GUN either), an X server and a desktop environment or two.
What I'm trying to understand is what in particular makes Kubuntu so unacceptable that you'd want to roll your own. Plenty of Linux users do "from scratch" installs just for fun, I know. But if I don't particularly want to do the extra work, what's my motivation for doing it vs. just using Kubuntu as palmtree5 was saying?
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See this reply I just posted, which may help a little.
Hmmm... It looks to me like Canonical's product line simply doesn't meet my high standards.
I've tried installing KDE from the kde.org site, and I quickly got bogged down with dependencies. One of the great things about OpenSUSE is that Yast takes care of the dependencies for me, so I don't have to do the drudgery. It's also more correct because they test their metapackages thoroughly before they release them.
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This is about KDE specific music management and player software. I use Rhythmbox out of choice, which is actually a GTK application, but I'm using the KDE desktop. There's two KDE specific apps that I'm aware of.
Amarok: Which appears to be horribly complex and bloated. It seems to be obsessed with going off to Wikipedia and showing stuff about every song it plays, and because I'm in China that can make things very slow. I don't want that. Yet at the same time it doesn't even offer a graphic equalizer, Rhythmbox has this.
JuK: Which I think is just too basic and appears rather unfinished. Plus it has major problems with many ID3 tags.
What I'm trying to understand is what in particular makes Kubuntu so unacceptable
It's not--at least not to me. It's what I use as my default distro.
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that you'd want to roll your own. Plenty of Linux users do "from scratch" installs just for fun, I know. But if I don't particularly want to do the extra work, what's my motivation for doing it vs. just using Kubuntu as palmtree5 was saying?
When Kubuntu has already done all the work for you, why bother piecing together KDE on top of an existing *nix?
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Hmmm... It looks to me like Canonical's product line simply doesn't meet my high standards.
Well, crap. My standards are obviously much lower than yours! Because Canonical's products have worked out just fine for me.
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I've tried installing KDE from the kde.org site, and I quickly got bogged down with dependencies.
That's one of the issues I had in mind when I said that installing KDE directly can be a daunting task for a Linux newbie.
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One of the great things about OpenSUSE is that Yast takes care of the dependencies for me, so I don't have to do the drudgery.
Synaptic in *buntu does that, too, and apt-get should on its own--but if it doesn't, or if the user wants to make sure it will, that's easily accomplished with the correct command line arguments. For example:
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package.
check
check is a diagnostic tool; it updates the package cache and checks for broken dependencies.
--install-suggests
Consider suggested packages as a dependency for installing. Configuration Item: APT::Install-Suggests.
-d, --download-only
Download only; package files are only retrieved, not unpacked or installed. Configuration Item: APT::Get::Download-Only.
-f, --fix-broken
Fix; attempt to correct a system with broken dependencies in place. This option, when used with install/remove,
can omit any packages to permit APT to deduce a likely solution. If packages are specified, these have to
completely correct the problem. The option is sometimes necessary when running APT for the first time; APT
itself does not allow broken package dependencies to exist on a system. It is possible that a system's
dependency structure can be so corrupt as to require manual intervention (which usually means using dselect(1)
or dpkg --remove to eliminate some of the offending packages). Use of this option together with -m may produce
an error in some situations. Configuration Item: APT::Get::Fix-Broken.
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It also looks like you're not against Kubuntu...
No, not at all. As I said, it's my default Linux, and has been since its first release.
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I've merged the "Linux" thread into this "Linux questions and other stuff.." thread, as it appeared to be about Linux questions and Linux discussion in general.
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Could someone explain to me the specific things that make KDE-on-Ubuntu better than Kubuntu? I thought that Kubuntu was KDE on Ubuntu! What's the difference?
From my understanding, unless it has changed since first coming out, Kubuntu is not an official Canonical distro. Canonical does not support it.
Using the Ubuntu's official or add official KDE repositories should let you install KDE using Ubuntu's software management program. Now what all it does or doesn't install I really can't say. Sometimes there are certain ways to install it to get the full installation or get a minimum installation.
Using Mageia and other distros that is how I do a minimum installation of KDE, because I do not want all/every package included. Also there is a way to install KDE from kde.org, certain packages and in a certain order to get it installed without dependency hell. It depends on the distro's package management system too.
Amarok: Which appears to be horribly complex and bloated. It seems to be obsessed with going off to Wikipedia and showing stuff about every song it plays, and because I'm in China that can make things very slow. I don't want that. Yet at the same time it doesn't even offer a graphic equalizer, Rhythmbox has this.
Amarok: one more reason why I went back to KDE 3.5! The pre-Plasma version of Amarok is downright lean in comparison.
I never had a need for graphic EQ in the past, and I'm not about to start now.
Speaking of China and the Internet, the news here is that it takes two people to use the Internet over there: one to go online, and the other to watch everything that the first guy is doing. Maybe that's why some things are slow...
From my understanding, unless it has changed since first coming out, Kubuntu is not an official Canonical distro. Canonical does not support it.
My understanding is that Canonical made a solemn pledge that *buntu would forever remain under the guidance of the community. And nobody seriously believes that.
The last time I checked (just now), the official Ubuntu website more than acknowledges Kubuntu. Must be like "having your cake and eating it too" for them.
My understanding is that Canonical made a solemn pledge that *buntu would forever remain under the guidance of the community. And nobody seriously believes that.
The last time I checked (just now), the official Ubuntu website more than acknowledges Kubuntu. Must be like "having your cake and eating it too" for them.
I guess it did support Kubuntu but reading this is saying they are not.
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I imagine I'll always have warm memories of Ubuntu, I think it was the 8.04 edition that I first used. I'm not sure, however, if I'll continue to use it in the future. I guess time will tell, we'll see what happens with the unified environments (phone/tablet/pc).
My next distros will probably be either back to Debian or another go with arch.
That being said, any of you guys try out cmus for music playback? I've been really digging it (especially on my already taxed netbook). Very lightweight (it is a terminal application after all).
Shit. I had actually FORGOTTEN about that announcement...which was made a year ago. But the last year has been like something out of a really bad dream for me, and thinking about stuff like Canonical pulling the official plug from Kubuntu, and turning it over to community based support on its *buntu infrastructure just wasn't important enough to keep in my head.
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As I recall, Kubuntu will continue, just not as an official branch of Ubuntu.
I imagine I'll always have warm memories of Ubuntu, I think it was the 8.04 edition that I first used. I'm not sure, however, if I'll continue to use it in the future. I guess time will tell, we'll see what happens with the unified environments (phone/tablet/pc).
My next distros will probably be either back to Debian or another go with arch.
That being said, any of you guys try out cmus for music playback? I've been really digging it (especially on my already taxed netbook). Very lightweight (it is a terminal application after all).
I personally haven't used Ubuntu in a while. I'm currently running Arch. At some point, I might try to give this a go
It's the same as Mageia, a KDE community based distro, which forked away from Mandriva. Closely the same but ran by different organizations. But I went against the grain and used Gnome 2 and now trying out G3 and did a minimum install of KDE4. I'm weird like that.
I have not hate for Ubuntu...thinking about giving Unity another go!
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Amarok: one more reason why I went back to KDE 3.5! The pre-Plasma version of Amarok is downright lean in comparison.
I never had a need for graphic EQ in the past, and I'm not about to start now.
I sometimes like to tweak the bass and treble a bit, depending on what speakers I'm using when listening to music. I've got no large fixed home speaker system, because of location and travel.
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Speaking of China and the Internet, the news here is that it takes two people to use the Internet over there: one to go online, and the other to watch everything that the first guy is doing. Maybe that's why some things are slow...
Often it's just the bandwidth in and out of the PRC, can be very slow, plus whatever local connectivity can be slow as well. It's usually OK for looking at Android Forums though and reading the news.
Thing is I couldn't see an option in Amarok to disable the Wikipedia junk, often Wikipedia is censored and Amarok was just hanging waiting for a response it. I know I'm playing Bob Marley, I know he died in 1981, I don't need to know everything else about him Amarok and what studio the song was recorded in.
Actually to get on-line can take two people. I wanted to buy a new pre-paid SIM for my China Telecom EV-DO dongle. The village China Telecom store computer wouldn't take my British passport as ID, I had to get a friend to come in with his Chinese ID card and do it for me.
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any of you guys try out cmus for music playback? I've been really digging it (especially on my already taxed netbook). Very lightweight (it is a terminal application after all).
I just installed but can't seem to get anything to show or play. How do you play a song? Do I type the command with a song title?
Maybe it has something to do with me running Mageia Beta, I've had issues with MOC also. Moc is another terminal music player.
Amarok appeared to look like a decent music player but i couldn't get it to work at all. it kept asking me to install the codecs required for MP3s and even if i told it to it still wouldn't work. ended up removing it and installed Clementine..
FYI Mom's issue with the Wifi was fixed with 'use as system connection' and disabling its link to KDE Wallet. however her wallpaper still seems to reset itself to the out-of-box wallpaper image instead of her preference which is new to me, it has never happened on my computer with Kubuntu or Ubuntu with KDE added onto it
@MikeDT, Clementine offers a pretty good EQ w/Pre-Amp and presets, too
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New glitch on my laptop...finished updating software and it asked me to restart, now when i get back up and try to install through the software center i get this error:
Software can't be installed or removed because the authentication service is not available. (org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.Error.Failed: ('system-bus-name', {'name': ':1.68'}): org.debian.apt.install-or-remove-packages
the password prompt never appears then this error comes up. however, if i log into Unity it works fine. ???
also the 'update' to Flash-Plugin deleted it or rendered it inert forcing me to manually install the 'libflashplayer.so' into the /usr/lib/firefox/plugins folder.
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@nick, I'm barely coherent right now--virtually no sleep last night, after an exhausting day of imaginary conversations with my mom. So this is the best I can do right now...
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the password prompt never appears then this error comes up. however, if i log into Unity it works fine.
Sounds like something got corrupted. Try this:
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mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.orig
and then see if you can log in via KDE.
Alternatively, create a new user and log in with it using KDE.
Neither of these will FIX the problem, they'll just narrow it down.
I sometimes like to tweak the bass and treble a bit, depending on what speakers I'm using when listening to music. I've got no large fixed home speaker system, because of location and travel.
I was really serious about audio stuff when I was young, and learned how to use speaker placement and room treatments to get the ideal sound without needing to use electronic EQ. The electromechanical EQ units of the day were notorious for causing as many aural problems as they solved. I had good results with parametric EQ back then, but back then parametric units cost a lot! I used them professionally, when someone else was paying the equipment rental fees. But at home I eschewed all EQ. It was pretty easy to do since I didn't have any EQ of any sort on my home audio equipment. (Excepting the RIAA EQ in my phono preamps, of course.) If it's not there at all, it can't be a temptation.
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Thing is I couldn't see an option in Amarok to disable the Wikipedia junk...
The older, QT3-based version is blissfully without that "feature".
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Actually to get on-line can take two people. I wanted to buy a new pre-paid SIM for my China Telecom EV-DO dongle. The village China Telecom store computer wouldn't take my British passport as ID, I had to get a friend to come in with his Chinese ID card and do it for me.
Wow, that's something. You must face a lot of paradox over there. Thanks for giving me a peek!
@nick, I'm barely coherent right now--virtually no sleep last night, after an exhausting day of imaginary conversations with my mom. So this is the best I can do right now...
Sounds like something got corrupted. Try this:
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mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.orig
and then see if you can log in via KDE.
Alternatively, create a new user and log in with it using KDE.
Neither of these will FIX the problem, they'll just narrow it down.
FYI, I had a .kde4 directory when KDE4 came out. There was one other hidden directory too for KDE4, but I don't recall which.
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Maybe its just me but I really like VLC it works great and has never given me an issue. It has a CLI as well however I've never used it. Guess I'm a die hard graphic geek.
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My standards are obviously much lower than yours! Because Canonical's products have worked out just fine for me. 
