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Old April 9th, 2013, 09:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I've got a collection of pictures and some videos that I would like to edit, but seeing as there is a huge number of programs to choose from, I thought it would be good to ask you guys what you use.

ATM I have a trial of Photoshop and Vegas. They look quite daunting, but I hear Lightroom and other video programs are better/easier to use?

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Adobe Photoshop and Sony Vegas are professional level tools, that are popular with professionals. But they do have steep learning curves. For the more casual user, there are plenty of good, easy to use programs out there that are more suitable in both ease of use and cost.

Since I'm nominally a video professional, I use several different FOSS and pay-for software tools to work on video files that I wouldn't recommend to non-professionals. My new video workstation arrived yesterday, and I'm finally taking the plunge and buying a costly ($1000+US) video editing suite for it. But that's because I'm working at a professional level, and have a real need for the features that the big pro suites provide.

By the same token, because I'm a video professional, I don't have any need for something as costly and complex as Photoshop. (Video professionals don't usually work on still photos as part of their jobs, and vice versa.) MOF it seems like 99% of what Photoshop is used for is adding pithy captions to photos of kitties. That's a lot of overkill! I can do the same thing using MS Paint (comes with Windows) or its Linux equivalents, and not have to buy or steal Photoshop, or waste disk space on it. As a serious amateur photographer, I simply haven't found any actual need to spend much time retouching my photos.

IME the full versions of Nero, Roxio or similar "home user" multimedia suites are overwhelming enough for most amateur users. I'd go with the simplest (and least costly) product that gets the job done.

Here's a list of Windows-based video editing tools that I like, and are inexpensive and easy to use:

VideoReDo TVSuite <--I LOVE this! Cuts-only editing is often all I need.

Movavi Video Suite - Complete suite with CUDA and Intel CPU optimizations

VideoLAN VLC - It's a player, splitter, transcoder and more!
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Even if money were no object, you'd still recommend those programs?

Even though I'll be using it for casual stuff, I'd quite like to get into photo or videography:-P
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i use paint shop pro. it's easier for me to use than photoshop.
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Even if money were no object, you'd still recommend those programs?
Absolutely! Even after I buy my "thousand dollar plus" pro software, I'm going to be using those little gems a lot. The advantage they have over the big pro suites is that they do certain tasks very well, and with less effort than if I used a big pro suite to do the same thing. The right tool for the job.
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I use Paint.NET for my photo editing. Video editing, honestly, i just use the windows movie thing that came on my laptop. Works just as good, IMO, as others.
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Anyone used Avid Liquid for video editing?
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Why not give Gimp a try?

GIMP - The GNU Image Manipulation Program
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+1 for the GIMP. I use it for everything I do that's image related, including creating the images for products on my web sites.
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Anyone used Avid Liquid for video editing?
I tried it a few years ago. IIRC it seemed to be great if all I did all day was edit video. But it was way too much for my needs at the time, and much too much to learn in order to do a simple dissolve, which was all I needed to do.

When I was at the pinnacle of my analog TV broadcasting career, Avid was a big name in studio automation systems. They're still a big name. If I was building a TV station or post house, I'd have them on speed dial. But as a lone wolf on a tight budget...not so much.
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TBH before, I would've just stuck to PS and Vegas, thinking they were profesional grade software for a reason :P

But , because the other look much more simple, I think I might try out GIMP, seems pretty good, but apart from its learning curve, I quite like how Photoshop works too :P

Not sure about Vegas though. So I'll also have a look at Movavi.

Edit: just a quick question: would learning how to use Photoshop be seen as sort of a waste of time? Or will the things I can do in PS be very similar to what can be achieved in the cheaper programs/

Edit2: Would Lightroom still be considered overkill?
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Lightroom is purely a photo post-processing solution, intended mainly for use with RAW images. It can do limited adjustment of JPG images but its real power and flexibility only becomes available with RAWs.
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This cute side-fun project was done in GIMP, a dream game i would love to play being a CoD fan and nature lover.



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Another vote for GIMP, that's what I use for all my graphics and photo stuff.
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Lightroom is purely a photo post-processing solution, intended mainly for use with RAW images. It can do limited adjustment of JPG images but its real power and flexibility only becomes available with RAWs.
Speaking of that, Darktable is a nice FOSS non-destructive raw image editor.
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When I'm in Linux, I use Gimp to edit my photos. Now I'm not a professional editor, I use this mainly to resize pictures, because I really am no good at editing. For videos, I have used many in Linux, but find none that suit me. They are over complex, or lack many features that I look for. I am a better video editor than photo editor, so the thing that I use is Windows and use the Movie maker software. I like this because it's very easy to use and has an ecosystem with Microsoft. Something like that is nice to have.
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ANother +1 for GIMP (Linux) on the MS Dark side I use Paint.net. Does the basics, that's all I want.
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ANother +1 for GIMP (Linux) on the MS Dark side I use Paint.net. Does the basics, that's all I want.
Why not use the GIMP when you're on the dark side, too? It's available for window$, right?
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I've been using Adobe Premiere Elements 10 and Photoshop Elements 10 for my video and photo needs, they're the amateur versions, and quite cheap, the two as a package cost me about $150 Australian. My needs are quite simple, mainly cutting video and replacing the camera's audio with an externally recorded soundtrack (the on board mic on the Nikon is shite), and cropping and resizing of images. I do intend (one day, my middle name is Procrastination) to learn how to do some image manipulation but haven't yet got around to it...
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That's the Photoshop from the advert with that woman dictating the family birthday shot, right? I had completely forgotten what software it was until I saw it on a youtube ad.
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Can't answer that, don't take much notice of adverts, don't even watch any television because of 'em. (hence the inordinate amount of time I spend on the net...)
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Can't answer that, don't take much notice of adverts, don't even watch any television because of 'em. (hence the inordinate amount of time I spend on the net...)
That's what DVRs are for! Seriously, I record anything/everything I think I might want to watch, then zap right through the annoying...endless...blocks of commercials.
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I can use Gimp, but the commands for sizing an image throw me. I'm too used to Photoshop for that. I can crop an image to 4x6 dpi with one tool in PS. I can change the DPI to 72 if I wish to post on the internet. I can't figure that out in Gimp, and I bought a book!
I've had PS since it came out for Windows. I do have CS5, but I still find myself doing things the same way I did in 3.

Gimp reminds me of a European Photoshop. A lot of it seems to be geared to metric.I have no such problems with Inkster, and I'm looking at Digikam which does behave like Photoshop's Camera Raw. I didn't have much trouble trying to use that.
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I can use Gimp, but the commands for sizing an image throw me. I'm too used to Photoshop for that. I can crop an image to 4x6 dpi with one tool in PS. I can change the DPI to 72 if I wish to post on the internet. I can't figure that out in Gimp, and I bought a book!
Don't get offended, okay? I'm just literally shaking my head in disbelief right now. I plunged in and started using the GIMP--with no book, no tutorial, nothing--and can easily do everything you've mentioned. It's not hard at all. If you'd like, I can walk you through doing some image resizing. There really is nothing to it.

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Only if you have your options set that way. I don't.

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I use digiKam for downloading/organizing all my photos. I love it.
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So what's being said is that both PS and GIMP can do similar things and it's a matter of learning how to do it? PS, I guess will be more complicated unless you're used to it....
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I'm not offended. I've been doing it PS way since 1995 and trying to change is a bit hard. I know it's a mindset, but if I want a path, sometimes it's far easier for me to grab a bezier tool. That's the other problem with Gimp. Too many settings for the tool. I know what jitter and all the rest are - but Painter had all those settings and I couldn't use that, either. Adobe has them, but PS shows you how the tool will work before you use it. I think Corel has Painter now, nice program, but settings and not having an actual size brush drove me crazy.

We learned also to set up for 4 color printing and the press. That's another disadvantage of Gimp. I do calendars and a few other things as gifts from my photos. I used to use PageMaker and switched to Indesign. I can use Photoshop and Illustrator within Indesign. Linux doesn't seem to have anything like Quark or Pagemaker or a design suite. Inkster is very good, but getting everything to cooperate ----

I use Camera Raw. I mostly shoot in RAW as the camera tends to overprocess JPGS by the time I print. I think it was DigiKam that did have something very similar to Adobe Camera Raw. I could see the histograms, the curves worked, etc. I might have to switch to using that as PS5 won't support the SX50, and I'm not upgrading any more. I'll just have to get used to saving stuff as lossless PNG.

Canon's DPP is a POS.

The other reason I use Photoshop is more control over the printing. I do my own and bought a printing program QImage that does very well with my Canon. Program available only for Windows.
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I always find Photoshop to be a bit of a challenge when I try and use it on the school PCs. 1) I'm not really familiar with it. 2) It's all in Chinese.

I have GIMP on my own computers because I'm using Linux not Windows.
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My needs are quite simple, mainly cutting video and replacing the camera's audio with an externally recorded soundtrack (the on board mic on the Nikon is shite), and cropping and resizing of images.
If you're using a DSLR to record video, you really should invest in a good quality mini shotgun microphone to use with it. I wouldn't dream of using the internal microphones in my small handheld camcorder! And my large one is made for use with shotgun mkies, with XLR jacks and a shock mount.

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That microphone is really tiny compared to a large professional shotgun microphone, but a whole lot better than any cheap internal microphone. It's the very least you can do to bring your audio quality up to the level of your video quality.

It's like using a real hot shoe flash. Sure the little flip-flash that's built into new cameras is better than nothing, but nobody who takes decent photographs uses them as their primary flash. So just like a good external flash is the first accessory that you buy for a SLR still camera, a good shotgun mike is the first accessory to buy for a video DSLR.
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Would anyone recommend me just learning how to use PS?

Otherwise, I think I'll start using GIMP from now on :P

Also, does anyone use Adobe Bridge?
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not sure. PS costs around the same as CorelDRAW!. around $500-700 while GIMP has much the same function and is free. and i have noticed that in certain distros GIMP looks different meaning that it can adapt and change much like any Android variant. i am sure GIMP can be made to look exactly like PS if you wanted it to
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Bridge is mostly just a browser. It will preview most photos on your camera, but if you shoot RAW, you will open in Camera RAW, most anything else opens in PS.

It can do light sorting, and cataloging like Lightroom. I prefer Bridge as it doesn't insist on albums. I can sort the way I want.
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I originally got PS as educational. I've just upgraded. Adobe made an offer for Illustrator 7 years ago and I bought the promotion. Same with Indesign. So upgrading isn't too bad. I'm not upgrading any more. Most of the new stuff in Adobe is more fluff for some of us who used to do things basically. Nor do I like the stupid subscription thing they are pushing.

I had the whole Corel Suite when they first started. A really good promotion. I've seen it since as Coreldraw is being used by digitizing software. Somehow Corel and WordPerfect merged. Corel was Canadian.

If you don't really use layers, try Gimp or Elements. I've had over 25 layers going at times.
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Can bridge view photos from different folders?

The only time I've used layers so far in PS is when trying to apply certain effects- I find how-to's on the Interweb

edit: Would I still be able to "content aware fill" in GIMP?
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Just when I thought that I'd never want to deal with photo editors, I see a cool animated GIF in the Car Cam topic. Has anyone here made animated GIF (or JPEG2000) files out of video? If so, how can I do it? Preferably using FOSS...
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Just when I thought that I'd never want to deal with photo editors, I see a cool animated GIF in the Car Cam topic. Has anyone here made animated GIF (or JPEG2000) files out of video? If so, how can I do it? Preferably using FOSS...
Here's an on line gif maker:

http://imgflip.com/gifgenerator
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Believe it or not, I use basic PowerPoint to edit all of my images...I can do it faster there than on Photoshop, sad I know..

And videos? Never edit those D: should probably learn
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Would everyone still pick GIMP over PS Elements?

edit: add into the equation Vivitar's Image experience which I just realised I got free with my tripod
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I now use Windows Movie Maker on my Windows 8 computer. For images, I'll probably get Gimp for Windows 8 because it's free.
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Started my first edit with GIMP. First impressions are that I am definitely a noob - I'm following a guide, and I need another guide to follow it!

and here they are, after about 20-30 minutes in GIMP:


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Just a quick question: I know a way to remove objects in GIMP is to use the clone tool... Problem is I need to remove an object thats held over a tie - so I can't use anything to clone the pattern of the tie. Is there anything I can do ?
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Yes you can select a bit of the tie and put that piece on a new layer and position it over the offending whatsit. Then erase what is not need on the tie patch layer.

I use Gimp and Vegas BTW.
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I'll upload the picture, but I'm not sure if I can still do it. I'll also look to see if I can get a higher resolution picture - that might help ^_^
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Gimp is a great tool for non-professionals - has all the functions you may need and not as complicated as Photoshop.
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I tried GIMP a bit, but I actually found it pretty hard to use. Maybe it's because I got slightly used to Photoshop....
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And you want to get rid of the spoonman the henna girl is holding? It doesn't look like you have enough information from the tie.

Gimp is easy. Just watch some tutorials on each skill and you have it down in no time.

In vBonsai I edited all the images in Gimp. Actually of my apps have Gimp work in them.
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That what I thought . That's fine then, the spoonman will just have to be there :P

I try to follow a guide, but I also needed another guide to use it! I have a feeling that sooner or later I'll be coming back to GIMP. Probably when I don't wanna buy the next version of PS :P
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If you have access to said tie, you can photograph it and then steal the pattern off that picture. Try to get the same angle off course but if you can then you can change the aspect of it with the skew tool.

Even my avatar was edited in Gimp to add the frame and make the tank look like it's coming out of it. The actual picture was modeled in the ever so smexy Blender!

With Blender and Gimp, I am powerful. (For a nerd)
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I was thinking I might be able to do something along the same lines... But I'll have to see whether I can get a picture of that tie. It'd have to be in similar lighting though right?
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A Gimp master can adjust the curves to get the right lighting. Since I'm not a Gimp master, I would overlay a transparent gradient over the tie layer to get the right lighting or find a curves tut on youtube. Gaze upon this with incredulity:

Basic Color Correction with GIMP - YouTube
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