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Old July 26th, 2013, 08:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Post The lineage of Windows. Good bad and ugly.

All the way from Windows 1.01 to Windows 8.. Tell us what any of you who wish to respond how you have watched Windows transform.

I'm rather young (only 20) so I can only remember as far as back as 98 (for the oldest at least) I fondly remember Windows Me and of course Windows XP.

In my opinion Microsoft has somewhat went downhill since XP. They had a good running with XP, then Vista came out... (lets just pretend that never happened...) Then Windows 7 <3 that was a good version right there. Then theres Windows 8..

Testing MetroUI was.. no.

So enough about my opinion. I would love to hear from my fellow AndroidForum brothers and sisters on how they experienced the legacy of Windows.

(That includes anyone who happened to try Windows 1.01 if anyone around here is old enough to have even seen it)

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I go back to DOS 2.0. I've run Linux since 2001. 'Nuff said. Screw M$.
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One moved to China...screw M$. Can't be bothered with it...And I've used Win since 3.0 to 8.0.

Folks if you're in China, use a Mac or a Linux OS.
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One moved to China...screw M$. Can't be bothered with it...And I've used Win since 3.0 to 8.0.

Folks if you're in China, use a Mac or a Linux OS.
What do you use now?
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I use windows XP. Lol but I'm new to computers completely. Just starting to try and learn and have no clue what to do to make it better :-(
Hell I can even get my phone to tether with Barnacle to my laptop or my desktop. Been. Trying for days. Haha.
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I use windows XP. Lol but I'm new to computers completely. Just starting to try and learn and have no clue what to do to make it better :-(
Hell I can even get my phone to tether with Barnacle to my laptop or my desktop. Been. Trying for days. Haha.
I'd highly suggest getting Linux instead.

Or if you're dead set on xp upgrade to 7, xp is a little outdated.
Its a little old to make it better Lol. Linux will make it faster and you don't have to worry about viruses either.
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Or if you're dead set on xp upgrade to 7, xp is a little outdated.
Its a little old to make it better Lol. Linux will make it faster and you don't have to worry about viruses either.
I just,started playing with it a few days ago trying to get it to work I also recurved a laptop (also XP) and I'd love to start switching them and improving and learning how to do Cool things with computers. How would I go about doing this? and would this maybe solve my (network cable error:ethernet) problem when attempting to tether and get internet?
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I just,started playing with it a few days ago trying to get it to work I also recurved a laptop (also XP) and I'd love to start switching them and improving and learning how to do Cool things with computers. How would I go about doing this? and would this maybe solve my (network cable error:ethernet) problem when attempting to tether and get internet?
Hold on let me switch over to my laptop and I'll give you a link.
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I'll be up a bit still :-) maybe pm? I'm still not really sure how these thi gs work with the threads and how much you can talk. Haha
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I just,started playing with it a few days ago trying to get it to work I also recurved a laptop (also XP) and I'd love to start switching them and improving and learning how to do Cool things with computers. How would I go about doing this? and would this maybe solve my (network cable error:ethernet) problem when attempting to tether and get internet?
This one is my favorite, and one of the more popular distros of Linux (Although some would disagree)
The world's most popular free OS | Ubuntu
Don't worry it'll walk you through the process and it's 100% free!
You could also choose to donate however.

Another one..
Main Page - Linux Mint
This one is popular as well.

For an older computer (250-500 Mb of RAM)
Xubuntu

Haven't tried this one but heard some good things.
Puppy Linux Community Home - Getting Started

And this will be the last one. This is suppose to be the smallest one.
DSL information

They say nobody knows how many Linux distros there are but I've heard over 1,000 now. But anyway..

You can put the .iso files on a flashdrive and boot from the flashdrive. If you have a cd drive you can burn the .iso files on a cd and boot from that instead. You can also run them side by side with Windows OS, or replace Windows OS completely.

I hope I have helped.
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This one is my favorite, and one of the more popular distros of Linux (Although some would disagree)
The world's most popular free OS | Ubuntu
Don't worry it'll walk you through the process and it's 100% free!
You could also choose to donate however.

Another one..
Main Page - Linux Mint
This one is popular as well.

For an older computer (250-500 Mb of RAM)
Xubuntu

Haven't tried this one but heard some good things.
Puppy Linux Community Home - Getting Started

And this will be the last one. This is suppose to be the smallest one.
DSL information

They say nobody knows how many Linux distros there are but I've heard over 1,000 now. But anyway..

You can put the .iso files on a flashdrive and boot from the flashdrive. If you have a cd drive you can burn the .iso files on a cd and boot from that instead. You can also run them side by side with Windows OS, or replace Windows OS completely.

I hope I have helped.
Okay so can I load those these as as zip on my phone and then install on a computer? Because ATM we only have my phone for internet and it's not tethering. and this will make my computer and laptop run better? I hate windows lol but I don't know much about computers. How can you tell how much ram your running? hope I'm not annoying you.
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Okay so can I load those these as as zip on my phone and then install on a computer? Because ATM we only have my phone for internet and it's not tethering. and this will make my computer and laptop run better? I hate windows lol but I don't know much about computers. How can you tell how much ram your running? hope I'm not annoying you.
I don't see why you couldn't! Do you have unknown sources checked on your security section of your phone?

Don't worry about annoying me I love to teach people.

Now it is xp you're running right?
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Okay. Go ahead and click start and select run. You will type msinfo32.exe in the open box and then you'll click OK.

You need to find the section that has the amount of memory ram and system resources.

Basically all I'm really wondering about it the RAM and whether or not its 32bit. If somewhere it says x86 its 32 bit, and if it says x64 which is 64 bit.

It may seem like it wouldn't matter but trust me its important Lol.
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Okay I'll get started in a few. Been dealing with the kids all day. Lol have twin 6 month Olds and a 2 yr old so bear,with me :-)
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Take your time, I don't have kids yet but I have little brothers and sisters. They're older now but I know how much of a handful kids can be.
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Yeah, I'm a stay at home dad. Lol so I have my hands full during the day. Me and you are very close in age, judging by your name. Lol I'm 22.
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If my ex hadn't had miscarried I'd have a 3 year old right now.
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Linux Mint on my Lenovo laptop, and I also use a MacBook.

I've already posted in various threads about my experiences of trying to use Windows in the PRC. Decided it's just not worth the hassle and risks.




Yeh...go to a store and buy a Windows Get Genuine Kit....in China? LOL. It seems that I just can't buy a copy of Windows here, only if it comes with a new PC. And then it's the special PRC version that only works in Chinese. Which I'm sure has government back-doors, and Beijing has full access.
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I've already posted in various threads about my experiences of trying to use Windows in the PRC. Decided it's just not worth the hassle and risks.




Yeh...go to a store and buy a Windows Get Genuine Kit....in China? LOL. It seems that I just can't buy a copy of Windows here, only if it comes with a new PC. And then it's the special PRC version that only works in Chinese. Which I'm sure has government back-doors, and Beijing has full access.
Of course you could always use Tor to get around it if you needed to. If you wanted Windows you could have someone send you a cd with windows on it from the States or Europe.

Although I wouldn't bother, the only reason why I still use Winblows is because I need to have it for school.

But its not to bad, I don't mind having a Windows and Ubuntu Machine.
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Sorry. To hear that.... Sorry had such a busy day and the wife needs some attention. I'll be able to talk in a bit or tomorrow....:what:
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That's fine. I was actually thinking about giving you a guide from the internet and letting you ask questions of you get stuck.
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Bring Back Windows XP

XP should have been gone by 2010. Because Vista sunk like an anchor, the company rushed out the adored Windows 7. It's hard to discern the difference between Vista and Windows 7 except for the fact that it appears to be faster. But who knew that Windows 7 was to be the last of the desktop-era computing platforms?
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XP should have been gone by 2010. Because Vista sunk like an anchor, the company rushed out the adored Windows 7. It's hard to discern the difference between Vista and Windows 7 except for the fact that it appears to be faster. But who knew that Windows 7 was to be the last of the desktop-era computing platforms?
Microsoft is to arrogant to do that.
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I’d love to try

The main goal of the ReactOS project is to provide an operating system which is binary compatible with Windows.

However

ReactOS 0.3.15 is still in alpha stage, meaning it is not feature-complete and is recommended only for evaluation and testing purposes.

And so it shall always be, apparently.
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The main goal of the ReactOS project is to provide an operating system which is binary compatible with Windows.

However

ReactOS 0.3.15 is still in alpha stage, meaning it is not feature-complete and is recommended only for evaluation and testing purposes.

And so it shall always be, apparently.
This is the first I've ever heard of ReactOS.. hmm.. after the UbuntuEdge phone is over I'll be sure to promote it in my signature for a while and post it in other forums as well.

It sounds like an innovative idea, also sounds like it could prove useful.
Is it open source?
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It sounds like an innovative idea, also sounds like it could prove useful.
Is it open source?
I believe they are. Linux is slowly taking over things.
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ReactOS® is a free open source operating system based on the best design principles found in the Windows NT® architecture (Windows versions such as Windows XP, Windows 7, Windows Server 2012 are built on Windows NT architecture). Written completely from scratch, ReactOS is not a Linux based system, and shares none of the UNIX architecture.
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Maybe Linux systems could benefit from using some of the source code. (Native VMware) I would love to make a Linux system that made it easy to use Windows applications.
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That's a double-edged sword. Make it easy to run Windows apps, and you make it easier for windows malware to auto-execute as well. Part of the reason you can safely waltz right through a malware-laden environment in linux without an AV is because its program execution environment rejects windows .exe files in the first place. No execution, no infection, no security holes.
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The developers should make those Windows apps for Linux, natively.
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That's a double-edged sword. Make it easy to run Windows apps, and you make it easier for windows malware to auto-execute as well. Part of the reason you can safely waltz right through a malware-laden environment in linux without an AV is because its program execution environment rejects windows .exe files in the first place. No execution, no infection, no security holes.
Auto execute to what? I've had plenty of viruses for windows on my Ubuntu.. since you can run .exe files through Wine..

However whenever it tries to spread it would require root, which is at my discretion

"Linux systems are by no means infallible, but one of their key advantages lies in the way account privileges are assigned. In Windows, users are generally given administrator access by default, which means they pretty much have access to everything on the system, even its most crucial parts. So, then, do viruses. It's like giving terrorists high-level government positions.

With Linux, on the other hand, users do not usually have such "root" privileges; rather, they're typically given lower-level accounts. What that means is that even if a Linux system is compromised, the virus won't have the root access it would need to do damage systemwide; more likely, just the user's local files and programs would be affected. That can make the difference between a minor annoyance and a major catastrophe in any business setting."

" "Linus' Law"--named for Linus Torvalds, the creator of Linux--holds that, "given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow." What that means is that the larger the group of developers and testers working on a set of code, the more likely any flaws will be caught and fixed quickly. This, in other words, is essentially the polar opposite of the "security through obscurity" argument.

With Windows, it's a limited set of paid developers who are trying to find problems in the code. They adhere to their own set timetables, and they don't generally tell anyone about the problems until they've already created a solution, leaving the door open to exploits until that happens. Not a very comforting thought for the businesses that depend on that technology.

In the Linux world, on the other hand, countless users can see the code at any time, making it more likely that someone will find a flaw sooner rather than later. Not only that, but users can even fix problems themselves. Microsoft may tout its large team of paid developers, but it's unlikely that team can compare with a global base of Linux user-developers around the globe. Security can only benefit through all those extra "eyeballs."

http://www.pcworld.com/article/202452/why_linux_is_more_secure_than_windows.html

Through personal experience and learning from others, many others, even if you allowed .exe files with a virus it wouldn't be nearly the same as Windows.

I could be wrong and there's always a chance for everything, with the security architecture of Linux it would be way harder to do any significant damage.
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Yes, I am aware that even if it does execute, the lack of root privileges would seriously curtail any local infection. However, how's the security on network resources? I'm thinking that while the linux system may be "safe", any properly coded malware .exe's that are "linux-aware" (for lack of a better term) that are currently running could possibly be able to perform simple file copies over the network to any windows boxes there may be, resulting in a spread of infection regardless of whether there were root access involved. I guess this would mean the malware would be opportunistic.

Granted, this is probably theoretical, but I'm merely taking the position that even having the malware code active in memory could be considered a security breach.
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Yes, I am aware that even if it does execute, the lack of root privileges would seriously curtail any local infection. However, how's the security on network resources? I'm thinking that while the linux system may be "safe", any properly coded malware .exe's that are "linux-aware" (for lack of a better term) that are currently running could possibly be able to perform simple file copies over the network to any windows boxes there may be, resulting in a spread of infection regardless of whether there were root access involved. I guess this would mean the malware would be opportunistic.

Granted, this is probably theoretical, but I'm merely taking the position that even having the malware code active in memory could be considered a security breach.
Theoretically yes it could, but I think if applied in a working Linux machine it would prove harmless or at most rather irritating.

Like the article said there's plenty of viruses for Linux, and a fairly large amount of rootkits.. but with all the eyes on the security of Linux nothing significant happens.

In all honesty I had found out I had windows viruses (through my "paranoid" need to have a flawlessly secure system) I had found out the only reason why Linux users get antivirus at all is to keep from spreading it to friends or strangers who run windows. Its in memory but because of the security architecture, its not causing damage.

As for networking and viruses, I have read that Linux based network servers have less attacks compared to Windows. Its just that Linux in itself has better security.
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It occurs to me this doesn't necessarily have to be related to viral spreading or damage. All you'd need is enough code to throw up a full screen image or two and BAM! The user is annoyed by an (admittedly harmless) full-screen ad. Have a webpage loaded with script that downloads and runs the .exe and your win-compatible linux system has popups that normal non-win compatible linux won't see.

Pehaps the best thing to do, then, would be to have this "compatibility" with running windows binaries to be optional in the first place. Kinda like how by default distros don't come with WINE, you have to choose to install it.

Granted, you were originally talking about porting over the (better?) win compatiblity from ReactOS's source code, not WINE; but I'd say if you do, have it lay dormant unless you absolutely want to enable it.
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It occurs to me this doesn't necessarily have to be related to viral spreading or damage. All you'd need is enough code to throw up a full screen image or two and BAM! The user is annoyed by an (admittedly harmless) full-screen ad. Have a webpage loaded with script that downloads and runs the .exe and your win-compatible linux system has popups that normal non-win compatible linux won't see.

Pehaps the best thing to do, then, would be to have this "compatibility" with running windows binaries to be optional in the first place. Kinda like how by default distros don't come with WINE, you have to choose to install it.

Granted, you were originally talking about porting over the (better?) win compatiblity from ReactOS's source code, not WINE; but I'd say if you do, have it lay dormant unless you absolutely want to enable it.
But of course. Most of the time I never need windows applications except for when I need to use splashtop anyway. Skype is a Little more stable on windows too. But yes it should all be optional.

Even on Windows I don't ever get viruses, and I normally get antivirus on my Linux machine to be courteous to Windows users. But if there was any exploits somebody would catch it, and fast, considering it would be open source.
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I was 1st exposed to Windows at v3. I worked at IBM supporting OS/2 (from v.2.1 through WARP Connect and WARP Server) and with OS/2, it had "hooks" in the code that would allow you to install it over Windows 3. OS/2 was originally a MS-IBM joint project and IBM had access to their source code for x number of years.

XP is probably my favorite, although I'm running both 7 and 8 at home on multiple machines.

95 and 98 were ok at the time. ME was a clunky POS and after having tried to install it I wondered who at MS lost their job (or should have) over letting it ship.
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I was 1st exposed to Windows at v3. I worked at IBM supporting OS/2 (from v.2.1 through WARP Connect and WARP Server) and with OS/2, it had "hooks" in the code that would allow you to install it over Windows 3. OS/2 was originally a MS-IBM joint project and IBM had access to their source code for x number of years.

XP is probably my favorite, although I'm running both 7 and 8 at home on multiple machines.

95 and 98 were ok at the time. ME was a clunky POS and after having tried to install it I wondered who at MS lost their job (or should have) over letting it ship.
Yeah Me wasn't very good.. xp I think was the best as well. How are you taking to Windows 8?
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My work computer is XP, I hate that version. I had Windows ME, worst one ever. Then I had Windows Vista Professional, and finally Windows 7. I think I liked Windows 7 the best. Now, I barely use a PC.
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Windows since 3.0. OS/2 Warp at work in the early '90s. I missed out on ME (Phew!) and had some fun supporting NT3.5 and 4 through various service packs. Currently running 7 and 8 (dual booting with Linux - windows doesn't get much of a look-in these days)

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Windows ME is bit okay. However, windows XP- 7 are nicer than windows me. But, windows 8 is totally new compare to the previous version. There are apps in windows 8 that is ugly like skype. There is no notification in your screen that will appear if you have message in skype unless you click the tile icon itself. Then, 8.1 preview have almost same applications as windows 8. The only difference is the start button and few apps like scan, calculator, health & fitness, food and drink which can't find in windows 8.
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2 Legacy offline computers with XP. Offline, they don't need security and updates.
Laptop running 7Pro. Have virtual XP since Adobe screwed up 2 CS2 apps. Acrobat and Illustrator. I have Illustrator. Virtual XP runs Illustrator 8 which is the version I liked anyway.
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I personally love Windows 8. I dont use the MetroUI but once you get to you're desktop it feels the same as Windows 7. I like the look and feel of it too it was definetely a design upgrade IMO. I just wish they didn't get rid of the start button! And as for Windows 8.1...I'll probably install it just because its a very small and free upgrade.

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I personally love Windows 8. I dont use the MetroUI but once you get to you're desktop it feels the same as Windows 7. I like the look and feel of it too it was definetely a design upgrade IMO. I just wish they didn't get rid of the start button! And as for Windows 8.1...I'll probably install it just because its a very small and free upgrade.

And I've never ran Linux but I was planning on doing it, just haven't gotten around to it.
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