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Old January 4th, 2014, 11:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I've used every version of Windows since Windows 98 and I've also used many different Linux distros over the years, but I always end up coming back to windows. At first, I hated Windows 8 but once I got used to it, I love it. I use the start screen for news, weather, email, Wikipedia etc. basically simple things and I use the desktop for everything else. Once I got used to not having a start menu, I don't even miss it anymore. My laptop doesn't have a touch screen but I think even the new UI works fine with a mouse. As far as stability, in my case it is just as stable as windows 7.

As far as apps, the Windows store still has a long way to go compared to Android and iOS as far as variety and quality, that's my only real complaint.

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Might want to have a read of this lengthy thread...
windows 8
...which includes my experiences and opinions of Windows 8.

Myself, I've been using Win since 3.0 in 1990, but now I just use Linux Mint and I also have a Mac.

Windows 8.1 brought back the Start button..
Windows 8.2 might bring back the Start menu..as well as Metro apps windowed on the traditional desktop, and not always full screen.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2318286/microsoft-might-bring-back-the-start-menu-in-windows-82
http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/further-changes-coming-windows-threshold
Could be because of pressure from enterprise users, they don't want to have to go through staff retraining because of different UI, i.e. Metro....or "Tile world" as I've heard it called recently. LOL.

Think many enterprises are using Win 7 now, and that's what they're staying with. XP is end of life and unsupported in just a few months. 7 has been around long enough, proven to be OK unlike Vista. Enterprise users didn't hardly use Vista at all AFAICT, and 8.0, 8.1 are likely to be the same.
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Like Mike I had used windows since version 3. I remember the nightmare upgrade to 95 from 3.1 and I remember the IE intergration of Windows 98. Going from 98 to ME which really sucked and 2000 which was ok. XP which changed the direction of Windows from the Unsecure 9x systems to a bit of security. Vista was a complete disaster. 7 was ok. I played with 8 when it first came out just to see all the hoopla. Personally though Windows would have to go to Open Source before I think I will ever install it again. I hate it. I don't like having to fork out all the money that is needed to keep a proprietary system functioning.(Virus Ware, Ad ware, and etc) I personally am happy with the system I use. Is it perfect probably not but for me its close enough.
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Like Mike I had used windows since version 3. I remember the nightmare upgrade to 95 from 3.1 and I remember the IE intergration of Windows 98. Going from 98 to ME which really sucked and 2000 which was ok. XP which changed the direction of Windows from the Unsecure 9x systems to a bit of security. Vista was a complete disaster. 7 was ok. I played with 8 when it first came out just to see all the hoopla. Personally though Windows would have to go to Open Source before I think I will ever install it again. I hate it. I don't like having to fork out all the money that is needed to keep a proprietary system functioning.(Virus Ware, Ad ware, and etc) I personally am happy with the system I use. Is it perfect probably not but for me its close enough.
Vista was a complete debacle. Think main problem was manufacturers were forced to install it on machines that were only really suitable for XP. And as a result it often wasn't a good experience. It was the prospect of only being able to buy a Vista laptop that first got me into Apple Macs and an interest in Linux.

What really done Win 8 in for me is Microsoft making it extremely difficult to use a non-Chinese version in China. There's a special PRC edition of Win 8 that only works in Chinese, and I'm sure has Beijing government backdoor access as well. Last September I spent 8 hours in a Beijing computer store wrestling with the damn thing on a new Lenovo Thinkpad, that a fellow expat friend was buying. The end result being a pirated copy of Win 8 Pro and a crack to keep it activated. In China PCs are often sold without an OS, i.e. no Windows license. I bought a new Lenovo laptop like that, had Win 7 on it, but it wasn't activated and had no Windows license number activation sticker.
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Win 8x is fine if you have a touch screen, though the pile of flashing boxes isn't aesthetically pleasing to me. I also question the need for a touch screen in a traditional laptop format. It's cool, but having used one? A good touch pad that keeps your hands by the keyboard and your screen cruft free is preferable. The big problem was MS's decision to ram that touch interface down every users throat whether they had touch or not. The arrogant decision to push the market to their view of the future instead of listening to what their customers want isn't working out as well as they expected. They are still operating like they have a massive resource advantage over the competition, which is long gone! The other major head winds they face are that most people don't desire that all encompassing multitool like OS anymore, nor do many desire hideously over complicated office suites to create simple letters and databases. With the rise of mobile OS's like Android and iOS, the "average" user expects simple and fast. MS has never been successful at simple and fast. They were way too late embracing mobile and will probably never catch up in that race. With the (surprising to me) rise of the Chromebook they also face a direct and imminent threat to their core business.
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I must admit that I am warming up to 8.1

I wouldn't say I love *any* OS. I love my kids, my wife, my dogs, that cute checkout clerk at ... um ... n/m about that.

I am an IT manager for a small enterprise and I am not looking forward to deploying any 8.x machines, but that's not a function of capability or compatibility, but training and consistency. With everyone on the same system/version support is "to do this you x, y and then z." With a mixed environment, it becomes a support desk quiz before anything can be done.

I've been a Windows user since 3.0. I did have a machine with 2.0, but I wouldn't call myself a user, since it wasn't usable. I went 3.1, 3.1.1, 95, NT, 98, 2K (skipped ME), XP, Vista, 7 and now 8, as well as several server editions.

I've been a linux and Mac user almost as long. With Linux, I started with Red Hat 5.0, and (in no specific order) Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, Mint, CentOS, Puppy and probably a few others. My first Apple product was an Apple III. I remember seeing a Lisa demo in an Apple store (It was in Toms River, NJ ... it was raining ). I used System 5, 6, 7, 7.6, 8, 9 and OS X in several species.

Now that I registered a 94.75 on the who-cares-o-meter, I'd like to say that I think Vista got a bad rap much like 8 get's ripped in the media. It's just too much different all at one time and it upsets the user base who frankly cannot learn new tricks easily.

Here's a bit I wrote (I swear it was on AF, but I can't find it for the life of me) in answer to the question, did the media derail Vista.






That's my $1.50 (far too much for only $.02).
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I must have really lucked out because I had a Vista desktop for two years and never had any problems whatsoever! I ended up selling it because I wanted a laptop so on to Windows 7 I went.

As far as Linux, I really love Linux Mint, but I've changed from wanting to experiment to just leaving everything stock lol. I just want to but a laptop, phone etc. and use it as is.
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Too much hassle finding drivers in Linux. I have one windows 8 laptop and 8.1 smartbook. I also have a windows 7 desktop and a windows vista desktop. Windows 7 rules but I prefer Vista to 8.x. I can't think of a single thing about windows 8.x that I like. Nada, nothing. I can't imagine any big business using it. Windows me redux imo.
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I tried Windows 8 on a friends computer - it seemed OK, but like most people I would have preferred a Start Menu.

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Same here, although I didn't use Vista until Service Pack 1 and I've heard it improved a bit by then.
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Same here, although I didn't use Vista until Service Pack 1 and I've heard it improved a bit by then.

Once Win 8x is installed and updated? Classic shell is the first program I install. Greatly cuts down on cursing, teeth gnashing and hair pulling.
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A year ago I had XP SP3. Last spring, thinking I had to get modern, I bought a Walmart PC with 8.0. I hated it so much that I returned it the next day and they bought my complaint. Between us girls, I admit that I didn't give it much of a chance. Then I tried Lubuntu, didn't think that universe was ready commercially, went back to XP. Then I destroyed that installation, and having a W7HP CD handy, switched to that. I just destroyed that too, trying to make dual-boot partition. So now I've reinstalled 7 again, and I'm content with it, if I could just learn to stop futzing with it.
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I also have used Microsoft since Dos. In many ways I liked using the command prompt (once you learned it). Then you had the 9x systems where you had both the registry and Dos underneath it kept life interesting, (Remember the early PLUG and Pay.. Lol...??). You know I think NT4 gets a bad rap as many never seem to remember it. Yes you had many things manually but in some ways it was at least stable (during those years I had to support OS/2Warp it's cousin in code, more stable by the way) It's the grandad to today's systems in ways. I liked XP once the bugs got worked out. Yes Vista was a mess but that's because many folks stuffed it on hardware that could not handle it. 7 nice. 8 and 8.1 I am still out on. Server is a hole different puppy allot of holes and locking up until they finally got it fixed which took years. We ran Unix based servers because we did not trust W Server.

Yes as I have pointed out Windows kept money in my pocket and a roof over my head for years it's a Love, Hate thing. Sorry about being long winded.
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Given some of our "contributions", that wasn't even a breeze.

Now that you mention OS/2 let's not forget NeXTStep, which is the great uncle of OS X.
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I was trying not to show my age to much. As this was started as a Microsoft post. Allot of folks forget, the early Apple, Tandy(NOW.! try doing a document on this baby.... Lol... Just getting the margins set??). And yes many forget IBM had Allot to do with the start of Microsoft. I LOVED my data cards.... Lol!!! My dot matrix printers. I never got to mess much with the early Apples. We used apple Allot for publishing as early Microsoft could not handle it.
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I still have an Oki printer in my basement. One of these days I'm going to see if I can get that sucker working.
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Tell you what they where a major pain in the a?? But those printers dot matrix would run forever. U have the ribbons?
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Um ... no.

Of course I wasn't really going to use it for anything, just wanted to see if I could get it to work. I could always use NCR paper, then I wouldn't need a ribbon.
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Um ... no.

Of course I wasn't really going to use it for anything, just wanted to see if I could get it to work. I could always use NCR paper, then I wouldn't need a ribbon.
I would bet you may still find some out there.
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Same here, although I didn't use Vista until Service Pack 1 and I've heard it improved a bit by then.
I missed the start menu at first but since all my frequently used programs are either pinned to my taskbar or on my desktop, I realized I never really used the start menu that much anyway lol.

That's probably why I had a good experience, it had already been out a while when I bought the PC so I'm sure it already had service pack 1.
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It looks like I'm alone in the poll lol. However, I do like Android even better
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From the user standpoint, SP1 only fixed two things in Vista which was network file copying (it took forever) and index priority. Until the initial search index was built it would bog down systems. If you were unlucky enough to own an HP machine with a specific integrated video chip (ATI, I think) the update sent your machine into an unrecoverable bootloop. It was again the case of the manufacturer not following the API rules, Microsoft not letting them get away with it and the user taking the hit.
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I always enjoyed the fixes for fixes in Windows update then they get real serious and release a patch and then when it was almost unusable they do a Service Patch.... Lol... The stories of late night updates hosing other software It is awesome work never boring.
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I'm willing to try anything, as long as I can afford it. My current desktop is a HP Core 2 Duo system with 2gb of memory and a 20gb hard drive that's already sharing two linux distros. If W8 will run on this setup and I can get a free copy, I'm willing to try it out.

I switch to linux some years ago and will not go back. I can't afford to keep buying Windows, though you get a free computer with it. I don't think its worth the money anymore.
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Here's something I just noticed about the default Metro Windows 8 Start screen...



Where's Documents or Recent documents?
- which is a productivity thing and something we might use a lot. "Documents" or "My Documents" has been on the Start menu ever since Win 95, and now it seems to have gone. I'm thinking of someone who might have been using Windows for office productivity, buys a new Win 8.1 PC, they can find Music and Photos but is wondering where Documents is, and might ask, "What's this 'SkyDrive' thing all about?"

For the brief time I used Win 8, I installed Classic Shell because I couldn't stand the sight of Metro, and seemed very clunky and childish on a 90inch projection screen running at 1024x768 IMO, reminded me of Fisher-Price.
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If you're going to do that why not just use windows 7?
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Heck, I had an Atari for years before my first apple 2e LOL. It used to take 30 minutes to save my data from one small data base on a cassette tape! LOL
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Where's Documents or Recent documents?
- which is a productivity thing and something we might use a lot. "Documents" or "My Documents" has been on the Start menu ever since Win 95, and now it seems to have gone. I'm thinking of someone who might have been using Windows for office productivity, buys a new Win 8.1 PC, they can find Music and Photos but is wondering where Documents is, and might ask, "What's this 'SkyDrive' thing all about?"

For the brief time I used Win 8, I installed Classic Shell because I couldn't stand the sight of Metro, and seemed very clunky and childish on a 90inch projection screen running at 1024x768 IMO, reminded me of Fisher-Price.
For that matter does anyone actually prefer the metro version of chrome or explorer? Is it really easier to drag and drop a window you're closing than just one click on a little x?

Imo they destroyed windows users interface in a pathetic fruitless effort to sell windows phones and tablets.
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Old January 7th, 2014, 08:06 PM   #30 (permalink)
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For that matter does anyone actually prefer the metro version of chrome or explorer? Is it really easier to drag and drop a window you're closing than just one click on a little x?

Imo they destroyed windows users interface in a pathetic fruitless effort to sell windows phones and tablets.
I believe it was an effort to try and unify and how the different versions of Windows worked. But what might work well on a phone or tablet, doesn't work so well on a large screen. If the predictions and leaks are correct, a Start menu and windowed Metro apps are coming in 8.2, i.e. Microsoft is back-pedalling.

They tried it before, desktop Windows had a Start button and menu and so did Windows CE running on a PDA. Trouble on a PDA screen it was really tiny and fiddly, and you had to use a stylus.
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Phone ui is fine on phones. I don't like windows phones because of a shortage of good apps though. If they want to sell more windows phones they should work on app development rather than ruining the desktop version of windows.
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Too much hassle finding drivers in Linux. I have one windows 8 laptop and 8.1 smartbook. I also have a windows 7 desktop and a windows vista desktop. Windows 7 rules but I prefer Vista to 8.x. I can't think of a single thing about windows 8.x that I like. Nada, nothing. I can't imagine any big business using it. Windows me redux imo.
I haven't had much of a problem with Linux drivers in years.

Since Ubuntu 08.04, in fact, it's been pretty much boot-and-go for me and the myriad of machines I have used since then.

Vista was not nearly the debacle that ME was, but it was still a transitional product.

But then, nearly every Microsoft OS is a transitional product...

I am running Win 8.0 on my laptop alongside Mint 15. It is okay. I do have a touchscreen, which helps a bit, but the main menu thing is kind of a mess-- half the icons that show on boot are worthless to me; on my Toshiba, they don't even show Windows Media Player in the list (and I can't be bothered to learn how to add it); and more often than not, I just hit the icon for the desktop and go from there.

Sadly, I was trained to use the Search function to get to my programs by Ubuntu's Unity interface (before I ditched Ubuntu), so the big difference with Win 8 is going SE on the desktop instead of NW.

I won't switch back to Windows as my primary OS again until it becomes 1. Reasonably priced and 2. Has multiple desktops.

The odds of the first happening are pretty much nil, and the second... well, that would be a bit of a paradigm shift for them.
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I use Windows 8.1 and really, I am never in the modern UI so I just use the desktop. It works just fine for me and I don't think there's a reason so many people were complaining about the UI.
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Too late to save them?:

Windows 9 coming in 2015, will try its hardest to distance itself from the Windows 8 train wreck


To distance itself from the Windows 8 snafu, Microsoft’s next major update — Threshold — will reportedly skip Windows 8.2 and jump straight to Windows 9. Windows 9 is expected to arrive in April 2015, with internal sources saying that Windows 9 will make good on many of the Windows 8 features that caused such cruel and unusual distress to Desktop users. The Start menu is expected to make its illustrious return, and you should be able to run Metro apps on the Desktop in windows. Microsoft is still on schedule to release Windows Phone 8.1 and a service/feature pack for Windows 8.1 at the Build conference in April.
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I use Windows 8.1 and really, I am never in the modern UI so I just use the desktop. It works just fine for me and I don't think there's a reason so many people were complaining about the UI.
At least I know I'm not alone lol
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Windows 9 coming in 2015, will try its hardest to distance itself from the Windows 8 train wreck


To distance itself from the Windows 8 snafu, Microsoft’s next major update — Threshold — will reportedly skip Windows 8.2 and jump straight to Windows 9. Windows 9 is expected to arrive in April 2015, with internal sources saying that Windows 9 will make good on many of the Windows 8 features that caused such cruel and unusual distress to Desktop users. The Start menu is expected to make its illustrious return, and you should be able to run Metro apps on the Desktop in windows. Microsoft is still on schedule to release Windows Phone 8.1 and a service/feature pack for Windows 8.1 at the Build conference in April.
As long as they cling to the notion of a unified interface Microsoft is doomed to fail. An interface that works great on a big screen with plenty of memory and processor speed SHOULD be better than an interface for a little phone with limited memory, screen size, and processor speed.
Since they are still pushing the idea of a unified interface in TV ads I see little hope that Windows 9 will be much better than 8.X. I don't want the same interface on a phone and a computer. In fact app support is so poor on Windows phones that the best thing Microsoft could do is stop making phone interfaces entirely and concentrate on the best computer interface for home and business. Windows phones will always suck because there simply are not enough decent apps that work well. I don't know why that's true but it is.
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I use windows 7 & ubuntu on a dual boot, tried windows 8 & 8.1 & absolutely hate them.
will continue using windows 7 for all the games i have, but after using ubuntu i will never go back to a current version of windows again. Linux is inherently more secure than windows & with ubuntu being so easy to use anyone putting up with windows & its costs must have more money than sense. I must say a big thanks to microsoft for bringing out windows 8 as i would never have tried linux otherwise & missed out on a better OS
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Isn't there a newer version than Ubuntu?
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There are new versions of ubuntu coming out all the time, there are also numerous clones of ubuntu too,
There is Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, these are variations using different desktop interfaces.
Then you have the heavily customised ones to namely Zorin & Mint.
Have a look here for some other distro's too:
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If you're coming from Windows I highly recommend Linux Mint. It has the classic start menu and just an overall polished look.
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If you're coming from Windows I highly recommend Linux Mint. It has the classic start menu and just an overall polished look.
I have tried both Mint & Zorin & agree they are both very like Windows in appearence, but weather it is just me or not i did find they were quirky/ unstable once quite a few things are installed.
I found a better option to be Ubuntu with the xfce desktop installed making it look like Xubuntu but with the office etc of Ubuntu installed.
Once this is done you have the option to customize the desktop to look like windows if you like.
http://askubuntu.com/questions/292639/how-to-make-latest-ubuntu-look-like-windows-7
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I have been using windows since version 2 (in at 286). My first pc was 386sx25mhz with huge 80mb harddrive and win 3.1 Since then I liked win2000 and win7. win98 was terrible, vista was awful and now I have win8.1 in my zenbook. Dont like titles at all and im using my laptop as a desktop mode on everytime. Win8.1 is stable but it sure has problems with habing drivers and working with accessories. After the update from 8 to 8.1, I lost some bt drivers and cannot send files from my note10.1 to pc or vice versa. I have no idea what is the problem, it will be connected for a second or two and then my computer says that my note 10.1 is offline. I should check it sometimes when I have time to look at it - or more like, when im interested in solving the problem. But if it had been possible, I would have chosen win7 instead of win8.
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After the update from 8 to 8.1, I lost some bt drivers and cannot send files from my note10.1 to pc or vice versa.
Which Zenbook do you have? I recall one of the first things I needed to do after the 8>8.1 update was re-install BT drivers.
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The one thing I like about 8.1 is the email app. Still no way to access from desktop right? I like it because I can post pictures into body of emails. My work email doesn't allow that from owa. You have to be at work in Outlook to have that functionality. Now I have it at home and it works in all my emails. It's a big advantage because some people won't open attachments
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Which Zenbook do you have? I recall one of the first things I needed to do after the 8>8.1 update was re-install BT drivers.
u500vz

All other bt devices work, but not my Note. Maybe I should just try to re-install drivers...
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Did you try forgetting the pairing on both the Zenbook and the note and then re-pairing them after the update?
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Did you try forgetting the pairing on both the Zenbook and the note and then re-pairing them after the update?
Nope, removed and repaired them. Pairing goes well. But there is something problem with the newest driver.

I get an error message when updated:
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I removed drivers, then installed them. Tried fix-installation. All of them several times. No, help - the same error message after these drivers:
Version V3.1.1309.0390 (2013.10.11)
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Now I removed drivers, restarted the win8.1 and let the drivers be as they are. (And no error messages, but no connection with Note "not connected" and cannot send files via bt.) So this is the state now.
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The biggest change appears to be that Windows 8.1 Update 1 will boot straight to the Desktop interface by default, reducing Metro to its rightful role as a full-screen Start menu.

...still not interested.
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@mrex,

I checked the driver version for your Zenbook with mine (UX31A) and it looks like we have the same dirvers. After updating to 8.1, I downloaded the Intel Driver pack from the Asus support page and installed them and I'm able to pair my bluetooth devices, including the N4, so we might need to look at your N7 for the problem.

I hate to suggest a factory reset, but we may eventually get there. First I'd try booting into recovery and clearing the caches.
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I checked the driver version for your Zenbook with mine (UX31A) and it looks like we have the same dirvers. After updating to 8.1, I downloaded the Intel Driver pack from the Asus support page and installed them and I'm able to pair my bluetooth devices, including the N4, so we might need to look at your N7 for the problem.

I hate to suggest a factory reset, but we may eventually get there. First I'd try booting into recovery and clearing the caches.
Thanks, I tried all possible thing I could do and finally got a solution:
I installed newest VGA drivers for Intel HD4000 and now the error message is gone, but got another problem

No I cannot pair my N8000 with my computer. My computer doesn't find N8000 - my N8000 finds my computer. Aaaargh! Well, another thing to fix. Earlier one took only 10 hours to fix it and tried every single thing I found from internet from scanning with sfc to safe mode.

At first I need to try some other BT devices, but not now - Im full of win8.1 and need a break from it!

Edit. (another day and multiverse): And the problem is magically gone. I paired my Jabra Halo2 with my U500VZ and after that I was able to pair my N8000. Wow, now I have seen all!
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