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Old July 2nd, 2014, 10:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I've spent over a year leaning a lot, like how to make a zillion partitions, how to test-drive hundreds of distros, how to make grub handle all that, and somehow how to keep Rollback, another MBR bully, available for Windows.

But I never learned what the point of Linux is for someone who already has a very workable Windows 7. I'm sure there's plenty of points but I missed them all so far. I'm likely to get a newer PC soon and may try Linux again, as a toy again, but this time in VirtualBoxes.

So I'm back to Windows-only for a while, just one partition, just to see if the bsods taper down on this beast... probably not.

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Virtualboxes are the way to go! I can run almost any OS I want, make snapshots if I mess up, increase power on the fly, etc. The only trouble I have found is with Drivers but it's been mostly good. I think you're making the right decision. Now you'll have the best of both worlds.
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VMs are great .. if you feel the need to mess around with various OSs

I keep meaning to do something with Linux but when it comes down to it, if I'm going to spend free time on a computer, I'd rather be playing a game

It's not like I don't get to play with various flavours of Unix at work - how wildly different can Linux be?
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One VB question I'll have when I get a newer PC: it offers an option to load the guest OS onto the hard drive, rather than the whole thing residing in memory. That sounds like I good idea to me -- is it? I can't answer that myself, since my ten-year old box cannot make VB work at all.
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One VB question I'll have when I get a newer PC: it offers an option to load the guest OS onto the hard drive, rather than the whole thing residing in memory. That sounds like I good idea to me -- is it? I can't answer that myself, since my ten-year old box cannot make VB work at all.
This is what I have set for my virtual boxes. You can install it into the hard drive. I use allocated space. What this means is that it will use up hard drive space as it fills up. For example, if I say VB 1 will have 40GB of space, it won't take up that space immediately. Instead, it will only take up as much space as it needs. If there is only 5GB of files, it will only take up 5GB of space on your hard drive (until it reaches 40GB). It's a nifty feature, and you could do that if you want.
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I need to learn to setup a VB I never had or really have a need for it but would like to set one up just for the experience of it. I have a old 60gig internal hard drive that I have in an external usb case that if I decide to try out another distro I use. However I really don't distro hop anymore and have no clue as to what distro I even have on that disk at this point. But then again I'm an old hand with Linux not as good as some but better than others so I'm just average

Its my prefered choice simply because I like it. So many threads around of why you should or shouldn't but really to me its a very simple choice its called preference. So with that I say stick with what you prefer because that is where you are going to be happiest.
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I need to learn to setup a VB I never had or really have a need for it but would like to set one up just for the experience of it. I have a old 60gig internal hard drive that I have in an external usb case that if I decide to try out another distro I use. However I really don't distro hop anymore and have no clue as to what distro I even have on that disk at this point. But then again I'm an old hand with Linux not as good as some but better than others so I'm just average

Its my prefered choice simply because I like it. So many threads around of why you should or shouldn't but really to me its a very simple choice its called preference. So with that I say stick with what you prefer because that is where you are going to be happiest.
If you ever set up a VirtualBox, you'll find it's easier than you thought!
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yeah what little reading i've done on the subject it looks pretty simple and OpenSUSE is a good host system so that wont be an issue for me the issue for me is just getting of my duff and doing it. Just really have no need for it right now but may to test out betas of OpenSUSE.
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For me, VB is very well laid out and easy to use. But, like I said, the ISOs I tried all ended up going to sleep. I had asked about that at their forum and posted a log, got a reply saying that my feeble PC was the reason. So I gave up for now.
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For me, VB is very well laid out and easy to use. But, like I said, the ISOs I tried all ended up going to sleep. I had asked about that at their forum and posted a log, got a reply saying that my feeble PC was the reason. So I gave up for now.
What are the specs on your current machine?
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Virtual machines are useful, but can be a pain in the butt if you need to reach outside of one into the network.

But then, that is my experience from several years ago. I can't even find my old OS discs so I can set up a VM to run some of my older games...
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...not sure I answered anything.
Haha. You did answer my question . Quite an oldie. Pentium D. Yeah, you'll need an upgrade if you want to run Vboxes :P
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I put that second GB of RAM on last year. Even the neighbor PC guy who did it couldn't figure out why I would throw money at such a relic. I had no answer, but it has made it more capable of upping to W7HP.
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You're saying Linux has these but all other flavours of Unix don't?

I beg to differ ..
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You're saying Linux has these but all other flavours of Unix don't?

I beg to differ ..
Where did I say that? Of course they do (mostly).
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With nothing but time and curiosity, I'm giving quad-boot one more chance. Having read good things about free space planted between partitions, I've just made a bunch of fat32 and ext4 partitions, all with a 100MB free space in-between. That's likely more than necessary for this, but the space was available so I took it. Does this look safe:

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Oh well, the bsods returned. But I think, maybe, I found a culprit. I've been using Paragon ExtFS for Windows. Paragon ExtFS for Windows is a special utility which allows you to get full access to Ext2 / Ext3 / Ext4 in Windows. Things were going fine until I started running it again. And when I think about it, it pokes around in strange neighborhoods that Windows doesn't like to be caught dead in... we shall see.
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Good luck. I don't have a big problem with Windows, I just can't afford to keep buying a new machine to get the latest versions of Windows. It would be best to buy a full Windows disc for installation, imo.
Running VBs is best when using Linux as the host, from my experiences. Having alot of ram is best also, more then 2gb of it.
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I'm with you. I had fun from time to time, but sometimes too much choice is a horrible thing. For me the problems I had was something the Linux community never ever encountered and they could never help me because they knew nothing about the os I had with the desktop environment I was using.

With Windows, the windows community is easily able to help me because if there's ever something wrong, chances are they dealt with something similar before.

Reliability goes to Windows.
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I'm with you. I had fun from time to time, but sometimes too much choice is a horrible thing. For me the problems I had was something the Linux community never ever encountered and they could never help me because they knew nothing about the os I had with the desktop environment I was using.

With Windows, the windows community is easily able to help me because if there's ever something wrong, chances are they dealt with something similar before.

Reliability goes to Windows.
Until one tries using Windows in the PRC. Been there, done that, got frustrated, Windows community couldn't help, gave up. Now use Linux Mint, Mac OS X and Android.
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Yes, I suppose being there forces a lot of opinions to change... yikes.

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Me too, although just out of curiosity, to see if I fixed the bsod problem. I also use SolydX for no reason other than I have a spare ext4 partition. Oh yeah, W7HP is my only real keeper, at least maybe until W9 arrives.
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Make that Linux Lite... for now.
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I dual boot win7 64 bit & Xubuntu 14.04 64 bit.

Yes it takes a bit more time to set up linux till you get used to it, but linux tends to find & install all the correct divers no need for separate discs.

Also Xubuntu installed a driver for my scanner that windows doesn't have, unless i want to go back to 32 bit.

IMO if you are prepared to take a bit more time Linux is miles better than windows, best of all 90% of software is free too
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Yes it takes a bit more time to set up linux till you get used to it, but linux tends to find & install all the correct divers no need for separate discs.

Also Xubuntu installed a driver for my scanner that windows doesn't have, unless i want to go back to 32 bit.

IMO if you are prepared to take a bit more time Linux is miles better than windows, best of all 90% of software is free too
I find Linux is a snap to setup. I do however disagree with Linux finding and installing all drivers. I myself have spent countless hours looking for a driver for this or that with several distro's that I have tried in the past.

While I would like to be the first on the bandwagon with you to declare that Linux is miles better than Windows. That really is User Dependant and not an overall statement. Windows is best for some users while Linux is best for some while Mac OS is best for some. It all goes back to preference and what the system is being used for. Like Gaming if its a Gaming system its better off with Windows than Linux.

The biggest problem I have found with Windows Users who are looking for an alternative are looking for a Better version of Windows and Not a Different OS all together. I have seen it in several forums when people come in and say Why doesn't Linux let me do this like Windows does? I always give the simple and obvious answer. Cause its not Windows thats why.

So if your looking for a better Windows you will just have to wait until Microsoft makes it. If you want another OS then check out Linux
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I'm doing both of those, in the meantime. Futzing with distros in case I actually happen to like one more than Win7. That's apparently not going to happen so I'm hoping Monkeysnot has learned their lesson.
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IRC on Freenode for your distribution is a great place to get live help for linux issues. Provided one doesn't use one of the newer distros that have about 20 people using it. There's also a channel for Windows & Mac.

Just a thought on getting help!
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Until one tries using Windows in the PRC. Been there, done that, got frustrated, Windows community couldn't help, gave up. Now use Linux Mint, Mac OS X and Android.
For most everything average users the windows community would be able to help. Or even the Mac community.
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For most everything average users the windows community would be able to help. Or even the Mac community.
The Windows communities, nor Microsoft couldn't help with the issue of DRM country restricted product activation, and the suggestion of going to a Microsoft store and buying an activation kit wasn't very helpful, I'm not in the USA. Windows communities here would tell me to pirate, and offer the crack to do it. Mac OS X or Linux don't have that problem of course.

That was Windows 8, I do have a Win 7 laptop, originally bought in HK, I keep as a spare, but if I ever needed to reinstall and activate it in mainland PRC I'm not entirely sure if I could. Last time I actually used it was to root an Android phone two months ago.
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