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Old January 1st, 2011, 07:12 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Please help me cure my headache (T-MobileUK rooting & Flashing)

Ok, Hi.

HTC Desire GSM SLCD Screen
Android ver. 2.2 T-Mobile UK Branded

Baseband ver. 32.44.00.32U_5.09.05.30_2
Kernel ver. 2.6.32.15-g6a358a9
htc-kernel@and18-2#1
Build no. 2.10.405.2 CL 226611 release_keys
Software no. 2.10.405.2
Browser ver. Webkit 3.1

Hboot Ver. 0.93.0001
Bravo PVT4 SHIP S-ON
MICROP -051d
Touch Panel - SYNT0101
Radio -5.09.05.30_2
Aug. 10, 2010, 17:52:18


What I want: Rooted, s-off, CyanogenMod

I have read so many 'how to' guides I'm really getting totally confused. Also, things posted a few months ago are no longer valid.

I know DanFrance has posted a[FAQ] Rooting thread, but what I really need to know is exactly what steps I need to take and in what order. Lekkys guides are excellent and so well written, but invalid if, like me, one has bootloader 0.93.

Also, the Amon-Ra guide is not a guide at all, it doesn't tell one what to do, in what order. It just gives a list of features. No help at all for the Noobs like me!

I would be extremely grateful if someone could just list for me what I need to do, in which order. I can follow how-to guides, so you don't need to tell me how to do it (well, apart from the Amon-Ra!), just what to do and in which order!

I have a 16Gb SD card on order, but in the meantime can use the card that came with the phone as a goldcard.

I really do hope someone can help me on this.

many thanks in advance,

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That ROM version isn't T-Mobile, T-Mobile UK is x.xx.110.x. I think yours is possibly an Indian ROM??

Other than that, you need to:

1. Root using unrEVOked
2. S-OFF using AlphaRev
3. Flash the ROM

I wouldn't S-OFF, though, if you're a n00b as chances are you don't even need to use it

EDIT: Your ROM version is the South East Asia regional version
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I have 0.93 and had no issues with Unrevoked. So you want to run Cyanogen? Are you planning on a2sd, Apps2sd, Darktremor? It does have issues.
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Ok, thanks so much for your reply Eddy.

I've double checked and revised the numbers in my first post, sorry.

Software no. 2.10.405.2

Does this affect how I root & flash?

I'll take your advice, thanks, and won't s-off.

Yes, I'd like debrand it and run the Cyanogen ROM and apps2sd. Thanks for saying you had no issues with Unrevoked on 0.93. Did you follow the guide DanFrance linked to at http://myhtcdesire.com/tag/unrevoked ?

Also, do I have to debrand before I root?

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In the faq there is a hboot section that references pvt 4 devices like yours.

Make sure you have read this

Then follow the unrevoked guide linked in the faq

And flashing cyanogen will remove branding, yes
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Yes, thanks Dan:

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Where as the HBoot version itself does not matter, before rooting using unrevoked, check if the Hboot states "BRAVO PVT4 SHIP S-ON", where PVT4 is the bit we are concerned about.

For this you need to use the latest Amon-RA recovery image (rather than the standard supplied).

[Recovery] [14-Nov-2010] RA-desire-v2.0.0 [GSM] - xda-developers
Ok, so how do I use Amon-Ra? I've read the thread but it doesn't give any instructions.

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Right!!

The ROM version you're on if it is 2.10.405.2 is the unbranded HTC ROM. If this is what it came with out the box then you're unbranded...

Why do you want to use Amon-RA? unrEVOked flashes Clockwork Mod which does much of what you want. I personally use Amon-RA as it offers the choice to partition your sd card but I think someone said the new CWM does as well. If you wanna use Amon-RA then you need to get the IMG file from the XDA thread and then set it to be used by unrEVOked before connecting your phone.

If you read the correct threads then everything you need is in there. If you don't understand it then read it again until you do.
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Right!!

The ROM version you're on if it is 2.10.405.2 is the unbranded HTC ROM. If this is what it came with out the box then you're unbranded...

Why do you want to use Amon-RA? unrEVOked flashes Clockwork Mod which does much of what you want. I personally use Amon-RA as it offers the choice to partition your sd card but I think someone said the new CWM does as well. If you wanna use Amon-RA then you need to get the IMG file from the XDA thread and then set it to be used by unrEVOked before connecting your phone.

If you read the correct threads then everything you need is in there. If you don't understand it then read it again until you do.

He has a pvt4 nand chip with erase size 40000. Clockwork mod doesn't support this unless you use the alpharev modded version with the alpharev 1.8 s-off ISO.


OP; download that version of amon ra. Unrevoked asks if you want to supply your own recovery image or not. You do so select that option and browse to your download
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Right Thanks Eddy & Dan.

Ok, checked it again, and yes, 2.10.405.2 I got the phone from buymobilephones.net so I guess they've sourced it from outside the UK.

If I use the Amon-Ra CM img then I'll have Cyanogen on my phone.

I guess seeing as mine is unbranded (I've not seen a branded T-Mobile phone, so I just logically thought seeing as mine was T-Mobile, it was branded) I don't need to create a gold card?

SO . . .

I've installed Hboot driver as per instructions. Next I set Unrevoked to use custom Amon-Ra Cm img, then follow the Unrevoked instruction guide.

I don't need to back up because I've got nothing I need to backup.

And I'll end up with a Cyanogen ROM on my phone.

Am I on the right lines here? Sheeesh, this is scary!

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Right Thanks Eddy & Dan.

Ok, checked it again, and yes, 2.10.405.2 I got the phone from buymobilephones.net so I guess they've sourced it from outside the UK.

If I use the Amon-Ra CM img then I'll have Cyanogen on my phone.

I guess seeing as mine is unbranded (I've not seen a branded T-Mobile phone, so I just logically thought seeing as mine was T-Mobile, it was branded) I don't need to create a gold card?

SO . . .

I've installed Hboot driver as per instructions. Next I set Unrevoked to use custom Amon-Ra Cm img, then follow the Unrevoked instruction guide.

I don't need to back up because I've got nothing I need to backup.

And I'll end up with a Cyanogen ROM on my phone.

Am I on the right lines here? Sheeesh, this is scary!

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Hang on, Amon RA is based on work by cyanogen but its a recovery image required to flash custom roms. It does not give you the Cyangoen rom though.

When you say you want cyanogen on your phone, this is NOT it.

You need to root and get custom recovery first, THEN you need to choose and floash a custom ROM, cyanogen being one of the choices available.
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slow down guys, he has pvt4 but not all pvt4 have 40000 erase size

1st step is find out if you have this device for sure

1. download android sdk install the tools and open command prompt and go to tools
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hit return and then
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and hit return
look for the erase size value. if its 20000 then its a standard nandchip pvt4 so rooting and custom romming with be pretty problem freee (standard device)
If it says 40000 use this thread for custom recovery as even amonRA 2.0.1 is not 100% and the coder of Alpharev s-off recommends this one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=853583
Alpharev now supports the new pvt4 40000 devices but be warned not all roms do, it wont brick but youll get boot loops

I have a feeling you are on a 20000 PVT4 chip though as you are on 2.10.405.2 stock which is a few months old now. the newer PVT4 chips ship with the later code of 2.29 or voda 2.33
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Unbranded phones aren't from outside the UK, I got mine from CPW and it was also unbranded
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"adb is not recognised as an internal or external command."

Twice Installed the sdk and set it up, same result.

So any idea what am I doing wrong?

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I have a feeling you are on a 20000 PVT4 chip though as you are on 2.10.405.2 stock which is a few months old now. the newer PVT4 chips ship with the later code of 2.29 or voda 2.33


Should I just go with assuming I've got 20000? No, maybe not, never assume anything. Maybe to be safe I should just go with
Alpharev as this does both the new and old chips?

What I don't understand with this method though is that http://alpharev.nl/ says it's a reflash utility and you must be rooted first. So how does one root using unrevoked without reflashing?

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where have you installed it too

you wanna grab me on irc?
http://androidforums.com/irc.php

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seems the java irc isnt liked by my browser
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also reflashing wont sort your issues if you are pvt4 40000
it really is important and MUST NOT be ignored
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slow down guys, he has pvt4 but not all pvt4 have 40000 erase size

1st step is find out if you have this device for sure

1. download android sdk install the tools and open command prompt and go to tools
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cd c:\android-sdk-windows\tools
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hit return and then
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and hit return
look for the erase size value. if its 20000 then its a standard nandchip pvt4 so rooting and custom romming with be pretty problem freee (standard device)
If it says 40000 use this thread for custom recovery as even amonRA 2.0.1 is not 100% and the coder of Alpharev s-off recommends this one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=853583
Alpharev now supports the new pvt4 40000 devices but be warned not all roms do, it wont brick but youll get boot loops

I have a feeling you are on a 20000 PVT4 chip though as you are on 2.10.405.2 stock which is a few months old now. the newer PVT4 chips ship with the later code of 2.29 or voda 2.33

Either way, amon ra supports both so safe option
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Sheesh! You lot are so helpful. What an amazing community this is

Ok, nearly there, there was no adb in the tools, have downloaded and extracted it now.

Ok, my phone isn't being recognised as a device. I've tried installing the adb driver but it rejects it. I'll continue trying. Edit: Duh! I Forgot to install HTC sync then uninstall Duh!

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Either way, amon ra supports both so safe option
Can someone confirm that? If so it'll be the easiest way i think?

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ive not seen official support and i use amonRA latest, it works but has not been built for the 40000 build unlike the pvt4 thread
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Yipeeee!!!!

Ok folks, erase size is 20000. I'm a very happy bean-sprout right now

I'm gonna take a break for the rest of the day and come back to this tomorrow when I'm fresh.

Thank you to all of you for your help so far.

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Ok folks, erase size is 20000. I'm a very happy bean-sprout right now

I'm gonna take a break for the rest of the day and come back to this tomorrow when I'm fresh.

Thank you to all of you for your help so far.

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no problem, your device is the slightly older build so everything will be as normal
better still you are on a truely unbranded handset due to the SW version from stock

rooting will be a sinch and the recovery that comes with it will be fine
once rooted then get the proceed with s-off
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Allow me to rephrase. It works on both.
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I have pvt1. Whats pvt4? I know its a different chipset manufacturer but is that it? Do I need pvt4?
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I have pvt1. Whats pvt4? I know its a different chipset manufacturer but is that it? Do I need pvt4?
its just the build
slight internal changes to the chipset etc not always manufacturer
apparently its only the new pvt4 not old pvt4 that have the new nand chip (hense the erase size)
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Well, I came back to it afresh this morning, read this thread again and all other relevant threads & Articles. Rooted no problem Then flashed Cyanogen using their wiki instructions. Got stuck on boot screen for over 15 mins so pulled the battery and flashed it via recovery. It works!

So I'm busy installing key apps like Titanium backup, setcpu, quickboot, autostatrs, autokiller, etc etc etc.

I can't thank yous all enough for helping me out here.

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Well congratulations.

Read about auto killers and app killers before buying though.
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do not install any autokiller taskiller apps
they sap the battery and do the opposite of what they advertise
autostarts can be usefull for the odd thing but please dont use appkillers
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autostarts can be usefull for the odd thing but please dont use appkillers
Autokiller is NOT a ask killer
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Autokiller is NOT a ask killer
my bad, its the name that makes me think it is

EDIT: ahh, its minfree renamed
it also has a manual process service manager
im still not a fan as you are changing androids default thresholds, ive seen issues with this before on other devices.
desire doesnt have an issue with low internal ram like older devices like the hero or samsung galaxy which had 192 and 288 retrospectively

you shouldnt have to clear idle task from memory unless you have an issue with low ram
ive never had this issue even with sense
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But the thing is, more RAM used, the phone can lag. Great if you don't get that low, but not if you do.

The Android thresholds are too low for high end devices. You'd have to see massive performance degradation (from normal RAM use anyway) before Android thresholds kick in.

All we're doing is adjusting these thresholds to the relative equivalent for a RAM spec such as the desire.

It depends what apps you have on your phone really, but if empty apps are taking RAM for no reason at all, there is no need to keep them in memory. And I bear in mind the great old addage "unused RAM is useless RAM" as I type this, but this is slightly different.

Of course it is personal preference, but it works for me and it does get called into affect. For me the results speak for themselves.
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Old January 2nd, 2011, 10:52 AM   #31 (permalink)
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i see what you are saying but for example think of prefetch/superfetch in windows7
it caches nearly all the ram for use via system for apps that are more commonly used. those apps load and run quicker as they are already in memory

the times ive seen lag is when i was using a dodgy kernel and thats about it.
ive never seen below 100mb of ram free which is ample i have shedload of apps and run auto synch for most things

each to his own i suppose, i just think in modern devices cases its a fad more than it is an actual issue and people use it cos they can rather than they should
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i see what you are saying but for example think of prefetch/superfetch in windows7
it caches nearly all the ram for use via system for apps that are more commonly used. those apps load and run quicker as they are already in memory

the times ive seen lag is when i was using a dodgy kernel and thats about it.
ive never seen below 100mb of ram free which is ample i have shedload of apps and run auto synch for most things

each to his own i suppose, i just think in modern devices cases its a fad more than it is an actual issue and people use it cos they can rather than they should

Ah yes I know what you're saying about prefetch too but the apps for me that are in RAM that are being killed are not apps that would be the equivalent of a prefetched app.

Think of those sophisticated automatic gearboxes in cars that pre-select the next gear, ready to slot in when the revs hit a threshold... The preselected gear is the prefetched app.

But then imagine that whats in ram is not a useable gear i.e its not gears 1-6 (or 1-7 or whatever)... but its a gear with no teeth that has no rhyme or reason. It can't be used by the gear box to drive the car forward. The gearbox still has it available and is wasting its resources keeping track of it. Personally, I'd rather that it wasn't in the gearbox at all. ...and thats what I'm doing.

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Ah yes I know what you're saying about prefetch too but the apps for me that are in RAM that are being killed are not apps that would be the equivalent of a prefetched app.

Think of those sophisticated automatic gearboxes in cars that pre-select the next gear, ready to slot in when the revs hit a threshold... The preselected gear is the prefetched app.

But then imagine that whats in ram is not a useable gear i.e its not gears 1-6 (or 1-7 or whatever)... but its a gear with no teeth that has no rhyme or reason. It can't be used by the gear box to drive the car forward. The gearbox still has it available and is wasting its resources keeping track of it. Personally, I'd rather that it wasn't in the gearbox at all. ...and thats what I'm doing.

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i concede, only because of the amazing analogy that completely pwned me out of the water.

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Ha. Did it work? Wasn't sure but tried my best

Oddly your post just says "null" on the phandroid app.
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its cos its a ninja post, so much so i forced you to boot your computer to get it
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Think of those sophisticated automatic gearboxes in cars that pre-select the next gear, ready to slot in when the revs hit a threshold... The preselected gear is the prefetched app.

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Except that sophisticated automatic gearboxes have been around on Saab's, Citreon's and renault's since the 60's. Something to do with Peasants' not liking the stick shift, and they have more oil in them.
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