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Old May 10th, 2012, 03:33 AM   #1651 (permalink)
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Gazza!

I really enjoy reading your posts. You really do outverbose Hadron by far :what: which I wasn't sure anyone could do

But it is very well written, and well structured, something not everyone seems to care about (Hadron is one of the most notable exceptions to this statement).

Regarding keyboard, I highly recommend SwiftKey X which is available in Play. I am also running a beta SwiftKey 3 right now, but I actually prefer the X. It has excellent predictions (if you allow it to learn from your texts), and good customization options.

Sms backup and restore is my choice, hands down, along with the same guys apps for backing up APNs and call logs.

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My god. You really have beaten hadron, lol
I definitely +1 for SwiftKey and SMS backup and the apn, never had any problems with any of them.
Glad your enjoying dgb, IMHO the best rom I've tried!
I've never used MBP, but i can vouch for titanium,
I'm sure you have many many more hours to play before its just how you want!
And then after a few weeks you will start again!
And by the way those battery stats are better than any ive had! I'm lucky if I manage 3 hrs screen on before it dies.
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I use the HTC keyboard. Beats them all hands down for me. Will be taking it to my next device too.

Only upto android 2.2 did battery stats (stupidly) reset at reboot. Now, they reset after being on charge for a while, like it always should have done. That's much more meaningful
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Hi all

Thank you all for the charitable (and helpful) replies

Was slightly concerned about my waffle being too waffly... but I appear to have got away with it (this time).

Am gonna try the HTC IME mod (ta Hadron).

However, am naturally also tempted by Swift Key, as discerning users have recommended it.

Lockscreeens, etc

I'm definitely not clear on them. To my mind, there are 2 'layers' of lockscreen (or at least there were on my old ROM):

* A lock screen which you slide or rotate to unlock.
* A 2nd lock screen that requires a PIN, pattern or password to unlock.

On my old ROM, I could control when the PIN driven one became active - as far as I know a slide lockscreen is active as soon as the screen is inactive (but perhaps that was configurable too and I just had it coming on straight away... just can't remember).

Anyway, on dGB, I presumed the configuration in "lockscreens" \ "delay and timeout" would define the behaviour of the lockscreens.

This also has to work in tandem with whatever display timeout settings have been configured (mine's set to 1 minute).

So... this is what I've set up to test the functionality:

Under "Location & Security" - I had removed my PIN security, setting "change screen unlock" to "none" (so I could be methodical & monitor the behaviour of one thing at a time). HOWEVER, since this greyed out my slide lock options in "Lockscreen" \ "delay and timeout" (somewhat unexpected, given I'd changed security lock, rather than slide lock), I reinstated PIN security.

So:

"Location & Security" \ "change screen unlock" = PIN

"Lockscreen" \ "style options" \ "lockscreen style" = "rotary"

"Lockscreen" \ "style options" \ "Incoming call style" = "sliding tab"

[I've also made the custom app starter active but am not expecting that to affect matters (I thought I'd have the camera easily accessible).]

Btw, could someone explain the difference between the "security lock" and "slide lock"? They sound self explanatory but I'm not clear why the slide lock becomes greyed out when I've not had PIN lock set...

Anyway, I've got the following going on in "delay and timeout":

security lock screen timeout delay & screen turned off delay are both set to 10 mins.

AND

slide lock delay is enabled.

slide lock screen timeout delay and screen turned off delay are both 1 min.

I'd have expected this to mean the slide lock becomes active after 1 min of the screen going off and the PIN 9 mins after that (so you're not having to input your PIN, every time the screen's off).

However, this is simply not the case. If I turn the display off and then on again, both screenlock and PINlock are both active. I've even tried rebooting the phone after configuring the locks, to no avail. I've also tried reversing the timeouts i.e. that which was 1m is now 10m and vice versa. No impact.

I expect I'm just misunderstanding something but it's not what I was expecting to happen (and software should do what I tell it to do, not what it wants to do ) lol grrr


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PS I just reflected on what was happening and it's almost as if my config is not being saved. Obviously other settings are taking hold (e.g. which type of screen lock I have, etc) but I just wondered if permissions could conceivably be blocking the writing of the screen lock delay config?

Sorry if this is dumb or configs aren't affected by file permissions. I'm not getting any error messages btw.
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As I understand things, once you have activated screen lock security (such as PIN code) all other unlock options you've made are irrelevant, as the only thing happening is the PIN unlock.
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Another noob question

Having used quickpic for a gallery app & to apply wallpaper (I'm pretty sure Rastaman recommended it), how do I restore the original wallpaper of the ROM?

I think it was simply black, so of course I could make a .jpg of the correct dimensions...

I've done some fiddling and established there's a wallpaper file that gets overwritten (in /data/data/com.android.settings/files/)... but having deleted that file (as a test to see if it forces the use of the 'default' image I was after), somehow the ROM has found another image to use, that's not located there - I've no idea where the image has come from (it's a lush lake with hills on the the horizon) but it's definitely not from my SDcard!



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The problem is there is no image, so once you've gone from no image to image, that's it
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The problem is there is no image, so once you've gone from no image to image, that's it
well believe it or not I have a fix, which I've confirmed and reproduced.

I found an .xml file in /data/system (wallpaper_info.xml).

I initially tried to find the object named in it and failed, so just wondered what would happen if I commented the code line out.

I saved the file, rebooted the phone and lo and behold... my black default backdrop had returned.

I checked the file out again and found that it had been converted to a .bak (although the xml comment tags had been removed). A fresh file had been generated in its place.

The critical code that affects the wallpaper is the following:

component="android/com.android.internal.service.wallpaper.ImageWallpa per"

If this is deleted then one's wallpaper disappears on reboot (although the image still exists).

The 'clean' code of the new wallpaper_info.xml should read:

<?xml version='1.0' encoding='utf-8' standalone='yes' ?>
<wp width="960" height="800" name="" />

The 'dirty' code is:

<?xml version='1.0' encoding='utf-8' standalone='yes' ?>
<wp width="960" height="800" name="" component="android/com.android.internal.service.wallpaper.ImageWallpa per" />

I believe the component statement is introduced as soon as wallpaper is introduced, so deleting it returns things to their pre-wallpaper state.

Hope this helps people.


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PS don't know if this is visible to others but for some reason I've got a space appearing in "ImageWallpaper". It's not there when editing but there after posting. This should not be the case! I've confirmed it's happening in FF, Chrome & IE9 (bizarre).
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I've made a patcher to run dGB in desire cdma (bravoc). I tested for a while, the results are:

- voice and text message - ok
- evdo - ok
- keyboard - ok
- keypad lights - ok
- camera - working but landscape becoming portrait
- gps - not tested
- wireless - error (i test the dGB kernel with CM7 nightly, its working fine)
- auto rotation - error

I think the problem is in framework-res.apk. I don't know how to modify this stuff. If you want to try it, you can download the patcher from here.
Included in the patcher are kernel, modules, binary for bravoc. I took framework-res.apk from latest dGB. I also modify build.prop to work with bravoc.

Here the about screen.
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I've made a patcher to run dGB in desire cdma (bravoc). I tested for a while, the results are:

- voice and text message - ok
- evdo - ok
- keyboard - ok
- keypad lights - ok
- camera - working but landscape becoming portrait
- gps - not tested
- wireless - error (i test the dGB kernel with CM7 nightly, its working fine)
- auto rotation - error

I think the problem is in framework-res.apk. I don't know how to modify this stuff. If you want to try it, you can download the patcher from here.
Included in the patcher are kernel, modules, binary for bravoc. I took framework-res.apk from latest dGB. I also modify build.prop to work with bravoc.

Here the about screen.
With your new cdma kernel, ensure both /system/lib/modules/bcm4329.ko AND /system/lib/modules/2.6.35.13-dGB-2.1-EViollet-GB-HAVS-AXI-128-CFS/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/Bcm4329/bcm4329.ko are the exact same file. Both need to be updated for wireless to work
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With your new cdma kernel, ensure both /system/lib/modules/bcm4329.ko AND /system/lib/modules/2.6.35.13-dGB-2.1-EViollet-GB-HAVS-AXI-128-CFS/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/Bcm4329/bcm4329.ko are the exact same file. Both need to be updated for wireless to work
the path is correct. i flash dGB kernel into CM7 nigthly and the wireless module is working fine.
/system/lib/modules/bcm4329.ko is only symbolic link created by script 'mksymlinks.sh' in eviollet's kernel. i will check the updater-script.

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Actually symlink stopped working when I embedded the kernel in this Rom so I had to duplicate the file.

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That said, it doesn't mean it will work if you do it but you have to at least test it because that was the only way embedding it would work
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If you need anything specific compiling from the Rom, let me know
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Any tips on improving sound / music quality on the HTC Desire?

I keep getting vexed listening to "Echoes, Silence..." (foo fighters) cos it makes my (relatively) expensive earbuds sound shite, yet playback through my PC sounds much better. Unfortunately, my PC lacks the portability of my Desire

I'm using the stock music player.

Is it just a limitation of the Desire soundchip or what?


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I use sennheiser ear buds with poweramp. Great sound quality. If you don't buy poweramp, you can't argue that you like sound

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I use sennheiser ear buds with poweramp. Great sound quality. If you don't buy poweramp, you can't argue that you like sound

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Thanks mate.

Does it really make that much difference? I don't really understand how software can 'influence' hardware output so significantly. I appreciate / vaguely understand about codecs and what they do but beyond that, unless PowerAmp uses custom (and awesome) codecs, I don't get how said app improves on one's sound experience.

Btw, if I need to use an equaliser, then there's a problem with the sound source in the first place (at least that's my belief - I like good, neutral sound).

My main audio experience is via Sennheiser headphones (open-backed). My surround sound speakers packed up literally years ago and I use these headphones all the time. Although they were designed for PC use, the sound quality genuinely seems great to me, particularly considering they were only 35 (they're a few years old now - PC161). I like the fact that deep bass notes, for example, are revealed but not overdone - the whole sound balance seems decent to me... and they're totally comfortable too. I dread the day when they pack up on me (which is drawing ever closer as the in-line volume is getting slightly flakey now).

My buds are beyerdynamics DX101ie - last year's What Hifi best buy buds for under 80. I was disappointed with their performance on the Desire but when tested (unfairly) on my PC, they sounded much better / more balanced (but there again my mobo's got a realtek soundchip with 97dB s/n, which is obviously going to be better than whatever can be crammed into a handset). Also, let's face it, my PC isn't going to fit into my pocket in the way my Desire is... + I've not got a rucksack big enough for the powerpack and PC case... and I'd just break my back in the process!

How's things btw SU? You busy beavering away on a new ROM project or what?


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Well given that all the sound processing is done via software, is it hard to believe? This is digital audio processing via digital equipment so yeah, the player makes a huge difference. Ever compared windows media player quality to Winamp? Same thing. Just try it. The equaliser is great too
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It will work. The battery may not be much better.

Just download the Nexus one battery calibrator from market.

Then follow:

Advanced Battery Calibration (tested and verified on Oxygen + bravoGSM (Page 1) / Tutorials, Guides and FAQs / Oxygen Forum
Just a heads up. I have performed this calibration many times. And every single time it has worked.... until the next charge cycle.
The calibration works, it'll discharge back to 0, but next time I charge up, it'll discharge to 13 then turn off. Then I have to do all over again. Tried various times on various ROMS, with the same results on all. Interestingly, I started off with phone turning off at 18. But the first 5 times I tried, the phone would turn off before telling me to plug in. Each time it did this, the next time I gave it a try, it would power off 1% lower. So I went from switch off at 18 to 17, 16, then 15, 14, and finally 13%.

Also, what do you use to move to SD? Simple2ext? The built in move to SD? I can't get close to 115 apps. Not by a long shot. Always run out of space before that.
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Also, what do you use to move to SD? Simple2ext? The built in move to SD? I can't get close to 115 apps. Not by a long shot. Always run out of space before that.
Nothing, this is the dGB port SUroot did. As the title says it's only 60MB in size which means we get back 190MB of system partition (although you have to re-partition which is non-trivial). I currently have around 75 apps installed and 163MB free (yes, more space free than a Desire with no apps on it). You don't have to worry about A2SD+, the built-in still works.
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Does it really make that much difference? I don't really understand how software can 'influence' hardware output so significantly. I appreciate / vaguely understand about codecs and what they do but beyond that, unless PowerAmp uses custom (and awesome) codecs, I don't get how said app improves on one's sound experience.

Btw, if I need to use an equaliser, then there's a problem with the sound source in the first place (at least that's my belief - I like good, neutral sound).

My main audio experience is via Sennheiser headphones (open-backed). My surround sound speakers packed up literally years ago and I use these headphones all the time. Although they were designed for PC use, the sound quality genuinely seems great to me, particularly considering they were only 35 (they're a few years old now - PC161). I like the fact that deep bass notes, for example, are revealed but not overdone - the whole sound balance seems decent to me... and they're totally comfortable too. I dread the day when they pack up on me (which is drawing ever closer as the in-line volume is getting slightly flakey now).

My buds are beyerdynamics DX101ie - last year's What Hifi best buy buds for under 80. I was disappointed with their performance on the Desire but when tested (unfairly) on my PC, they sounded much better / more balanced (but there again my mobo's got a realtek soundchip with 97dB s/n, which is obviously going to be better than whatever can be crammed into a handset). Also, let's face it, my PC isn't going to fit into my pocket in the way my Desire is... + I've not got a rucksack big enough for the powerpack and PC case... and I'd just break my back in the process!

How's things btw SU? You busy beavering away on a new ROM project or what?


Cheers,

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In an ideal world we'd get Wolfson inside all phones, coupled with supercurio's Voodoo sound and PowerAmp - might draw me to the SGS3 since it has a Wolfson DAC.

PowerAmp is imho the best player out there, not least cos it supports ReplayGain (Foobar compatible) and has a soft limiter.

For a pc/laptop set-up do some investigating into dedicated DACs, even the low end usb DACs make a huge difference over on-board sound cards.
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Nothing, this is the dGB port SUroot did. As the title says it's only 60MB in size which means we get back 190MB of system partition (although you have to re-partition which is non-trivial). I currently have around 75 apps installed and 163MB free (yes, more space free than a Desire with no apps on it). You don't have to worry about A2SD+, the built-in still works.
I get that. But peeps are talking about moving to and from SD. As I am guessing the ROM doesn't do this "automagically", they must be moving things over manually. Just wanted to know what they were moving with.
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It's just the stock gingerbread move to SD function. Just the same as you get in the stock sense ROMs.
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hi dan,

your pm is full.

i recompile the dGB kernel without loadable module and wireless lan embedded into kernel image. i also put bcm4329.ko into /system/lib/modules and the path you mention before. i removed mksymlink.sh from updater-script.
flash the rom and then flash the patcher.

the results are:
- voice call ok
- text message ok
- mms not tested (my service provider didn't provide mms)
- gps ok (lock 12 satelites outdoor with 4m accuracy)
- camera ok (i'm using camera.apk from cm7 nightly)
- evdo/cdma1x ok
- wireless not ok (i'm using dgb and manu kernel)
- blank wallpaper
- auto-rotation not ok
- auto-brightnes not ok
- roaming indicator is always on (even when i choose home only and turn off data roaming)

i also capture the logcat.txt, do you want to see?
logcat.txt

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Just a heads up. I have performed this calibration many times. And every single time it has worked.... until the next charge cycle.
The calibration works, it'll discharge back to 0, but next time I charge up, it'll discharge to 13 then turn off. Then I have to do all over again. Tried various times on various ROMS, with the same results on all. Interestingly, I started off with phone turning off at 18. But the first 5 times I tried, the phone would turn off before telling me to plug in. Each time it did this, the next time I gave it a try, it would power off 1% lower. So I went from switch off at 18 to 17, 16, then 15, 14, and finally 13%.

Also, what do you use to move to SD? Simple2ext? The built in move to SD? I can't get close to 115 apps. Not by a long shot. Always run out of space before that.
Weird. Calibration always works for me with dgb and stock kernel. Always retains its 0% until a flash or nandroid restore
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hi dan,

your pm is full.

i recompile the dGB kernel without loadable module and wireless lan embedded into kernel image. i also put bcm4329.ko into /system/lib/modules and the path you mention before. i removed mksymlink.sh from updater-script.
flash the rom and then flash the patcher.

the results are:
- voice call ok
- text message ok
- mms not tested (my service provider didn't provide mms)
- gps ok (lock 12 satelites outdoor with 4m accuracy)
- camera ok (i'm using camera.apk from cm7 nightly)
- evdo/cdma1x ok
- wireless not ok (i'm using dgb and manu kernel)
- blank wallpaper
- auto-rotation not ok
- auto-brightnes not ok
- roaming indicator is always on (even when i choose home only and turn off data roaming)

i also capture the logcat.txt, do you want to see?
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To be clear, flashing this kernel ontop of cm7 GSM and everything works on CDMA?

What about redux 1.2?
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To be clear, flashing this kernel ontop of cm7 GSM and everything works on CDMA?

What about redux 1.2?
i use 4EXT recovery touch.

first attempt using CM7 gsm nightly:
- i use two cdma patcher based on dGB kernel (with module and without module).
- stripped down CM7 size (remove unused apk).
- extract framework-res.apk and copy into cdma patcher.
- flash CM7 gsm into bravoc, stuck with error at ro.product.device=bravo.
if i flash dGB gsm, the process didn't show any error. i must edit updater-script in CM7 gsm nightly.
- flash the CM7 again and patcher, failed to boot. i think the existing cache partition is too small to handle CM7 gsm (90MB system 3MB cache 344MB data).
- break for a while.
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Hello "SUroot",
Congratulations on an excellent rom
I installed dGB yesterday after finally having enough about the lack of system memory on the Desire.
Before that, I was on the stock gingerbread on a Orange HTC Desire.

No big issues, a couple of minor probs:-
- restoring the apps from Titanium knocked out my home key for a while, couldn't work out why so ended up reinstalling them from market which solved the issue.
- Search key would not start Google search, found a solution here
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- Skype seems even more flaky than usual.

I have installed all the apps I can think of and still have 217MB left...
Next steps, trying to reinstall the HTC PDFreader and QuickOffice apps.

Is this possible or should I just look for alternatives?

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If you just install Quick Office from the market you'll get updates. It includes a pdf reader too.
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HTC apps will be tricky, as they rely on the Sense framework.

Never heard of restoring user apps killing home key. You didn't restore system data did you?
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Never heard of restoring user apps killing home key. You didn't restore system data did you?
Hi Hadron,
I think I must have as I wanted to keep wifi settings + user dictionary etc.
(Neither of which seemed to work btw)
Actually, thinking back, this was actually before I applied the custom hboot to repartition.
As as consequence, I actually ran out of space whilst restoring the apps via Ti (as initially they were installed to phone memory). I cancelled the restore at this point but I have a feeling this trashed something.
Also, I forgot to mention a big plus for me:-
Full AC charging from the HTC Car Dock.
This was broken by the HTC 2.3.3 update and I have really missed it. (Could only get 'USB' charge)
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If you just install Quick Office from the market you'll get updates. It includes a pdf reader too.
Hi there,
But isn't Quick Office 9.27 from the market?? Was hoping to avoid re-purchasing it...
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Quick search is not installed by default.

You must either drop it in /system/app to work or put it in /data/app and symlink it to /system/app
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But isn't Quick Office £9.27 from the market?? Was hoping to avoid re-purchasing it...

The version of Quick Office that came pre installed on your sense ROM allowed viewing but not editing of documents. The free version on the market is just the latest version of the same.

If you wanted to edit on your sense ROM you needed to upgrade to the pay version. The disadvantage there is that you would then have 2 copies, the free one on the system partition and the bought one on the data partition. The beauty of dGB is there is no waste on the system partition. You can update or replace apps as & when, without further eroding data space.
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The version of Quick Office that came pre installed on your sense ROM allowed viewing but not editing of documents. The free version on the market is just the latest version of the same.

If you wanted to edit on your sense ROM you needed to upgrade to the pay version. The disadvantage there is that you would then have 2 copies, the free one on the system partition and the bought one on the data partition. The beauty of dGB is there is no waste on the system partition. You can update or replace apps as & when, without further eroding data space.
Apologies for being a bit slow but I can't see a free version on the market...
I will try again after a night's sleep!
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My sincere apologies, they seem to have withdrawn the free one. Documents to go free will do the same stuff.
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OK,
Had dGb installed for just over a week now and am really happy with the experience.
The phone is miles faster despite being loaded with every app under the sun!
Any downsides?
-I do miss the fantastic text re-flow of the stock HTC browser but I am trialling Dolphin HD which works pretty well.
-Voice Speed Dial app is a bit hit and miss. Now usually doesn't work from a long press on the wired headphones. This app is temperamental on bluetooth as well.
But my main problem is that I have now caught the rooting/rom switching bug, it seems to be eating up all my time...
I have found using adb and fastboot under Ubuntu 12.04 very robust, saving me on a couple of occasions when the phone was not responding...
Thanks again for all the excellent advice and guides on this site, if you have any sense at all, they make 'rooting' a doddle.
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Reflow on stock browser only works with double tap zoom rather than pinch
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But my main problem is that I have now caught the rooting/rom switching bug, it seems to be eating up all my time...
I have found using adb and fastboot under Ubuntu 12.04 very robust, saving me on a couple of occasions when the phone was not responding...
Thanks again for all the excellent advice and guides on this site, if you have any sense at all, they make 'rooting' a doddle.
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So, SUroot... when are you upgrading? Still got your sights set on the Ascend?
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Yeah maybe. I went PAYG as you go as I'm not wasting money paying for a handset I already own...

I'm not convinced this is the network for me though so will test with PAYG for a bit longer and wait for the ascend to come out. No other network comes close for cost and data limits....

Then see what the ascend is like.
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Yeah maybe. I went PAYG as you go as I'm not wasting money paying for a handset I already own...

I'm not convinced this is the network for me though so will test with PAYG for a bit longer and wait for the ascend to come out. No other network comes close for cost and data limits....

Then see what the ascend is like.
I'm green with envy

Here in Portugal I'd have to shell out over 500 to get my hand on one of those bad boys. That's just something I cannot do The Desire was my first and probably last high end device.
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Don't you get subsidised handsets?
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Don't you get subsidised handsets?
There are 2 ways to get a cheaper handset. First, the typical user, like me. You have a call plan where you have to charge your phone at least every 60 days with 25 euros. For each euro you get awarded one point, good for 2 years. In my case, these 25 will do for the 2 months because I mostly communicate over internet (300 mb per month for which they deduct 7.5 from those 25, meaning basically I spend 15 per 2 months for internet and 10 per 2 months for calls). This means I am awarded 25 points every 2 months. Being good for only 24 months, this means I have 300 point before my first 25 expire. Maybe a bit more if I charged a few times ahead of the 60 days. Then you have the invoiced users. They have a fixed plan for which they pay monthly at a certain rate. Usually these plans are aimed at professionals or high volume callers. They get the same point per euro as the rest of us, difference being that they make much more calls. I know one person that gets over 2000 points per year. So you can pretty much see what I mean.

At any point, you can exchange your points for "prizes" including discounts on equipment. Thins is, most high end equipment will run you over 1000 points. So most users will never reach that high. The professionals will. For theme it's easy. And even then sometimes they only get like 150 off a 650 phone. Sometimes as much as half the value. But that's usually it.
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It is. Really I need to find some way to get phones from outside Portugal with the same conditions that the rest of the ppl in Europe do
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Well we don't have points. You either do top up and pay full price or contract monthly. You get a range ususlly starting at 100 minutes....

So sometimes 15 a month, pay 150 for phone, 20 a month, pay 50 for phone or 25 a month phone free. Just an example. Depends on phone and tariff.

I'm not aware of any Europe wide providers though. Think you're stuck..
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