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Old September 27th, 2012, 05:26 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Getting the Desire HD an have no idea where to start

This will be my first ever droid. I have used iPhones for years now, jailbreaking each and every one I got y hands on and just plain messing around with it.

My brother is going to give me his HTC Desire HD as he moves on to the Galaxy S3.

I can't wait to finally get a droid and I want to root it as soon as I get my hands on it and start messing around with ROMs, but being new to the droid scene have no clue as where to start

I must avoid "bricking" it as I need my phone in my everyday life and it is not something I can live without or replace. So any info on if there is a restoring process like on the iPhone would be greatt


Any info and help will be greatly appreciated!

Also I don't know if this matters on Droid ( It was a total pain in the ass with an iPhone) but I run Linux on my PC.

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the advanced ace hack kit or AAHK is the root standard for the inspire/DHD. linux will work fine with it(prolly is even prefered). in fact,android has its roots in linux,so i doubt you will encounter many issues along your journey

you can find the AAHK here:
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make sure you read thuroughly the effin manual
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Thank you for this. Looks like I have a lot of reading to do as there are quite a few acronyms I need to learn the meaning to.

After using this I should be able to install different ROMs?

Is there any vital apps to get after rooting?
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just holler if you have any questions about acronyms or what various things are. there are alot of knowledgeable folks here in the forum,and we can help you be 100% comfortable with what youre doing prior to doing it and getting stuck in sticky situation

as for root apps,i myself could not live without root explorer,or titanium backup pro.

there are alternatives for both. root explorer is simply a root access file manager that will allow you to browse and edit system files.

TiBu is an app to backup user installed apps,and their associated data,among other things. it can also be used to delete or freeze apps that you do not want. "my backup pro" is a pretty equivalent app,wich alot of folks prefer the ui of. you can try the free versions of both aNd see wich one you like bettery.

im sure the guys will have some other recomendations for must have root apps,as well

edit: yes after running the aahk you will be s-off and supercid,and will be able to install custom roms
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Ok thanks.

I was just reading the warnings, and there is stuff about RUU ,HBoot a and Froyo RUU and also relocked bootloaders?

I have no idea what these are. Are they anything I should concern myself with?
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about RUU
AAHK should detect what version you have and determine whether a downgrade is needed, so I you just follow what the app advices than everything will be fine.

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Once the downgrade is complete, you need to set up the phone and rerun the hack kit to complete the process:
If I remember correctly AAHK will remind you anyway

Anyway, I am a noob too, so you may want to wait for someone to confirm. I did this two months ago.

a) The manual is not as clear as I would have liked.
b) The manual makes more sense one the phone is plugged in and you are actually running the app.


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relocked bootloaders?
You can ask your brother if he unlcoked the bootloader with HTCdev. I cannot seem to find any info on who you determine if you phone was unlocked with HTCDev. I have my DHD since it first boot, so I never had to check this.

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Thanks for the input.

My bro has no clue, but he never tinkers around with stuff any way so I doubt he did. Thanks again.

I won't be able to start till I am free in a couple of days but I will post back with results.
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If he got the phone brand new, and he has no clue its not HTCDev unlocked. So you should be clear to go ahead.

A teaser:

DHD on Android 4.1 Jelly Bean



This in one of the 10 or so ROM I have had on my phone in the past 60 days
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Damn, dude I can't freaking wait now. That's way better than anything I can achieve on the iPhone
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Damn, dude I can't freaking wait now. That's way better than anything I can achieve on the iPhone
Each platform has it own strengths. If you like customizing interfaces Android is it. With a DHD you have several options.

Stick with a Sense based ROM. Your phone right now is running Sense 3. You have choice of Sense 3, 3.5, 3.6, 4.0 Lite and 4.0 ROM's.

I have a feeling these won't satisfy you. I think AOSP/AOKP (vanilla Android/modified vanilla Android) plus the Nova or Apex launcher will suit you more... you can spend days trying different options on either one of these. They let build your own interface. There are other launchers but I like Apex and Nova best (I use Apex on the DHD when on a AOKP ROM, and NOVA on a Samsung Galaxy Tab).

Can get a bit busy. You can scroll the launcher left and right (the lowest five icons above) independent of the home screens). You can even use a Android tablet interface (but man you need to have small finders for this).

Oh, there is also MIUI, and odd ports (make your DHD looks like a Galaxy S III or a Sony Xperia), but you sound like a build it yourself type of guy.

Before installing a new ROM, make a back-up. Something goes wrong or your don't like the new ROM, you can be back on your back-up in 5 minutes.

Once you are done, let us teach you how to back-up ROM's, apps and desktop settings... after that I suggest you do what you want, and even screw up (no fun asking if this or that is okay in a forum before doing something) with the knowledge that any error is easy to correct.
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Ok thanks.

I was just reading the warnings, and there is stuff about RUU ,HBoot a and Froyo RUU and also relocked bootloaders?

I have no idea what these are. Are they anything I should concern myself with?
you can very easily check the state of your bootloader by booting to hboot: uncheck fastboot in settings/power,then power off,then hold vol down,then power until you get a white screen with colored leters. this is hboot.

if you have an htcdev compatible hboot,it will say locked across the top. if it says unlocked,then someone has unlocked it.

you will prolly only find the locked hboot if you have an extremely new build. most DHDs will have a regular hboot. as ral said,if neither you or your bro has unlocked it,then you should be good to go.

as he said,the aahk will detect what software build you are on,and react appropriately. the warning about froyo hboots is only for users like me who like to do manual downgrades and ignore such warnings

you definately not regret it,and you will defiantely have alot more fun with a rooted android than you did with closed source IOS
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Advice from one of the Droid masters. Learn something new every day.

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you can very easily check the state of your bootloader by booting to hboot: uncheck fastboot in settings/power,then power off,then hold vol down,then power until you get a white screen with colored leters. this is hboot.

if you have an htcdev compatible hboot,it will say locked across the top. if it says unlocked,then someone has unlocked it.
He actually understands what he is doing.

Me, I poke around Androids innards and see what sticks. I can do that thanks to the lessons from the Mods and Guides in this forum who have given me enough info to get out of any jam I might get myself into.

Be careful with rooting. Don't Flash any Radio's without advice from a Mod or Guide here. Do make a back-up of your ROM after rooting... after that everything else will not brick your phone.

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Thank you both yet again.

You got me pinned ral! I love customising my devices and I love doing it myself as you said. This is the main reason I was willing to swap to Android.

This seems to be even better than I first thought. I look forward to learning about ROMs etc.

I hope my brother gets his S3 already =P

Scotty, I will be sure to check if it is locked or unlocked, but it seems certain that its locked as you said.

Thanks again guys!

Edit: that sense looks good! I guess I'll experiment with different Roms!
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Looks nice! I was wondering about how to reset the phone? I wanna make it like new before I start and get all my brothers crap off it.
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I don't have the stock ROM, but I think it is in:

Settings ---> Security ---> Factory Reset

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Settings ---> About Phone ---> Factory Reset
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Cool. I think I'm good to go. Will post back when I get the device.
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Sorry. I found it on my current ROM (Android 4/Sense 3.6) It is in Settings - - - > Storage - - - > Factory Data Reset.

Where was it on your Gingerbread ROM?
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I don't know yet. My bro is out of town till Sunday, so Inneed to wait till then =[
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Ugh, he has to stay at the conference he is at a bit longer. So I need to wait longer for the phone =(

Just posting so you guys know I haven't just disappeared.
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Something to tide you over while you wait.

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I have the phone in my hands =)

Busy day, might not be able to root till tomorrow, but I'll post back when I am about to start. Going to read over the effen manual a few more times!
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That kind of attitude guarantees you going to be pretty good at all this.
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Is there a way to quickly back up all pictures, videos, songs and contacts to bro's PC. Messages too if possible. He dosen't want to lose anything.

Also, does it matter if my SD card is SDHC for rooting? This my seem like a really stupid question but it mattered when I added homebrew to my Wii =P
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Is there a way to quickly back up all pictures, videos, songs and contacts to bro's PC. Messages too if possible. He dosen't want to lose anything.
I am pretty sure these is for Windows users. using HTC Sync. When I install a new ROM, there is an interface to restore it from the phone. My PC's run Linux and Mac OSX, so I do thing manually and never used HTC Sync.

By the way, the SDCard does not get formatted when you install a new ROM.

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I do not think so. But best wait for a second opinion.
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Ok here goes. I had to do things manually as I use linux. I'm going to read the effen manual a few times and get into it.

One more question first before I start though. The phone was locked to Vodafone AU (An Australian carrier) but was unlocked. Does this affect the rooting process in anyway?
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I don't use HTC Sync (I've always thought it was a bit rubbish).

When you plug your phone in and tell it to be a USB storage device, your PC should autostart windows explorer... what I'd do is create a folder on your desktop called "phone stuff" (or whatever) and copy everything on the SD card and put it in there... you can look at keeping only the stuff you want later

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Ok here goes. I had to do things manually as I use linux. I'm going to read the effen manual a few times and get into it.

One more question first before I start though. The phone was locked to Vodafone AU (An Australian carrier) but was unlocked. Does this affect the rooting process in anyway?
It shouldn't affect it... it's not like you've unlocked the bootloader... if you want to check, boot in to HBOOT (power off completely and then power on, whilst holding the volume down button) and tell us what it says
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Does Fastboot need to be off?
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If you want to enter recovery via volume down and power you will need to turn fast boot off. Once you get to the the old fashioned looking screen, take down what it says on the first four or five lines. Pay particular attention to an entry that should read S-On or S-Off.
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Ok The ace hack kit went through and phone has rebooted!!

How can I check if its rooted correctly?

Where can I start with installing ROMS? Any good one for me to start with?
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Have you got the SuperUser app? You can download Root Checker
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Once you verify that you are rooted I recommend you install 4Ext Touch Recovery. This will replace Clockworkmod recovery. This is optional. Some prefer CWM others 4Ext. Will post links and pics as soon as I get home.

Whatever you decide to do, make sure back-up first. You can do this with CWM or 4Ext. You will need about 800MB of space on your MicroSD card to do this.

Thanks you need to go shopping for a ROM.
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Sorry I've replied so late. I started playing xbox and lost track of time. I will leave installing A ROM until tomorrow.

I have superuser and busybox so I assume I am sure I am rooted. I'll use root checker tomorrow and will post back when I have chosen a ROM!

Also is there a way to get rid of all the bloatware installed by the original carrier?
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me too! i screamed like a lil girl and hid under the computer desk for a few minutes!


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Once you verify that you are rooted I recommend you install 4Ext Touch Recovery. This will replace Clockworkmod recovery. This is optional. Some prefer CWM others 4Ext. Will post links and pics as soon as I get home.

Whatever you decide to do, make sure back-up first. You can do this with CWM or 4Ext. You will need about 800MB of space on your MicroSD card to do this.

Thanks you need to go shopping for a ROM.
i agree 100% ext 4 is a much nicer recovery. also great advice on making a backup. it may be the only way you can get bck to a stock rom(assuming the aahk didnt have to downgrade your entire rom)

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Ok The ace hack kit went through and phone has rebooted!!

How can I check if its rooted correctly?

Where can I start with installing ROMS? Any good one for me to start with?
depends on wether ral can talk you over to the dark side they have cool widgets but their roms take up more memory

if youre into the sense ui,ral is our resident expert and can guide you well.

if you prefer or want to give AOSP a try, ice cold sandwich is the standard for AOSP ICS,while alot of us have moved up to jellytime ir unofficial cm10 variants,wich are jellybean. youll just need to read the buglists and see if you can live with whats working or not working.

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Sorry I've replied so late. I started playing xbox and lost track of time. I will leave installing A ROM until tomorrow.

I have superuser and busybox so I assume I am sure I am rooted. I'll use root checker tomorrow and will post back when I have chosen a ROM!

Also is there a way to get rid of all the bloatware installed by the original carrier?
there are numerous ways to get rid of bloat. easiest way is the paid version of titanium backup,wich will let you freeze apps prior to permantly deleting them,so you can easily run the phone a few days and make sure their absense does not affect anythign else. deleting the wrong things can wreak havok,so be careful what you delete,only do a few at a time to make troubleshooting easier if needed,and make periodic backups so if you get too jammed up you dont have to start completely over.

there are other market apps to delet bloat,but ive not perosnally used them.

you can also physically delete or move .apks using root explorer. they will be located in system/app. a common trick is to rename what you dont want to xxxx.bak instead of xxxx.apk,or to physically move them to a folder on your sd in case you ever want to put them back.
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lol Scotty... I'm surprised that OTD hasn't got you yet!! I guess it is only early October though and she does have the whole month
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Yaddah yaddah yaddah... Yup they have lots of free empty, unused and wasted RAM and light widgets. Its like putting the engine of a Ferrari in a Yugo. This phone has 768 MB of RAM for peats sake.

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OTD? If its a private joke, no need to answer. Of course, we than will be free to speculate.

Serious advice. Its your first Android, so you really should try both. It is a matter of which one you try first.

Sense is like getting a car with all the trimmings. AOKP is like getting a do it yourself kit. Of course, from another point of view, Sense is bloat.

I would advice something very conservative.

Android Revolution HD 6.3.3 - Basically a stock ROM tweaked for performance and battery life. You start @root with a 100% bug free environment. Introduces Android to you in the most stable environment possible. Gives you time to make sure the phone has no hardware issues. A nice environment to try things like governors (cpu control scripts) and over-clocking (actually its over clocked by default). Bored yet?

You will get bored of this in a bit, and it will be time to move on.

If you skip this at the start... no point going to it in the future.

Cons. No bragging rights. It like showing up in a bike with training wheels.

Man, if the XDA - ARHD guys ever see this, I am dead.

Blackout ICS - Sense + Ice Cream Sandwich. Its what I use, so it must be good

Cons If you want this one wait for the official 3.2 release. The current one is buggy. The new one still does not have a functional WiFi hotspot.

TrickDroid - Newer Sense (what HTC sells these days) + Ice Cream Sandwich. Not a bad choice actually. No major issues. You can even remove Sense and use it like an AOKP ROM.

Cons. BUT IT IS THE INSTALL FROM HELL. I can guide you trough it, but remember, installing a ROM is never this difficult. So it should not dissuade you from trying others in the future.

Pros Once you have installed this, it will be like you installed 3-4 ROM's. Overnight expert.

Ice Cold Sandwich 8.7 - Ice Cream Sandwich. Think Nexus. I will let D-U-R-X convince you about this one. This is probably what you will choose.

Start with one of these four. Don't worry about picking the wrong one. I am have been at this for 70 days. I have flashed 20+ times. And they are good experiences. I flash a lot because they are so many toys in the store, and they are all free.

So, after all this yammering, which picture above appeals to you most
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I had these obsessive pair of teachers. Always rambling on with long pieces of advice and explaining everything in detail.

20+ flashes. 0 failures (okay I screwed up a perfectly good CM7.2 install with the GetRIL app).

It is great advice, but it really is not my advice
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OTD = OfTheDamned (one of our Moderators)... check out The Undead Den... it explains about the avatar n everything
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ral is your man when it comes to Sense... I highly recommend IceColdSandwich (but I am a fan of Vanialla Android! )
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This one is perfect for scotty.

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We don't get to choose... OTD just turns us
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Ok. Yes my phone was downgraded during root. I have decided I will go with Android Revolution 6.3.3 until I get my head around Android then give ICS a go.

Before I start though, how do I go about getting 4ext recovery and make a backup/restore that backup?

Once I have a backup I would be more open to experimenting

And what is Busybox?

Once I have that point me to the right direction and Ill get started on putting on this new ROM!

Edit: how do I improve battery life? I have only been browsing the net for 35 minutes or so and my battery is doen from 100% to 65%? Is this normal?

Takes forever to charge as well
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Download 4Ext Recovery updated from here.

It will give you a preview of the full version, but the free version is fine.

OT: Can someone teach me how to make clickable thumbnails?

Launch the app:


Select Online install/upgrade. It will ask you for permission to go online and to confirm if your phone is a DHD or Inspire 4G


Select the 4Ext Recovery Touch v.1.0.0.5 RC 6. It is yellow in the image (meaning installed) it should be blue in yours.


Than select install.

Note: 4Ext is mandatory for ARHD 6.3.3.
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No, but looks like it might be that the battery is old and has been degraded over normal use. That is more than double the typical power consumption. Or maybe screen brightness was set to full?
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Android Revolution HD 6.3.3 can be downloaded here.

Download the three files:

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--- MD5 Checksum: C78E3A444D7BCC1DB7E5FEA7B486E871 ---

Super Wipe
--- This script will erase and format your data, system and cache partition ---
--- Your SD card will remain untouched FAT32 and it's recommended to leave it like that ---

Set CPU clock back to 1.0 GHz
--- Flash this, if you can't boot your device after flashing ROM ---
While waiting for the download, lets make the back-up.
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