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Old September 24th, 2010, 01:25 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Thanks for this. One thing I noticed is that once an app is moved to the SD card in this way, it seems to have a much smaller memory footprint for some reason in Settings / Applications. Dare say there is a good reason for this, though.
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I'm getting errors installing or updating any apps now, anybody else experiencing this?
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I'm down to 18mb on the internal memory & have as many apps as are allowed stored on the SD card so will have to consider this at some point.

Don't fully understand it though - seems like a minefield.
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Wow, this has worked for me. I can't believe it. I'm a complete NOOB so didn't have much confidence in myself but I tried it and it worked. Happily moving my Apps across to the SD card now.

Thanks for the instructions...class.
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I'm down to 18mb on the internal memory & have as many apps as are allowed stored on the SD card so will have to consider this at some point.

Don't fully understand it though - seems like a minefield.
Go ahead and try it. Any problems post here and ill promise to check back within 24 hours to answer.
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Thanks mate, will do.

Gonna read the whole thread 1st though so I don't ask a load of questions that are already answered

Just one quick one - am I right in thinking I will lose all my existing apps that are on the phone so I'll have to reinstall them to the SD card?
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Thanks mate, will do.

Gonna read the whole thread 1st though so I don't ask a load of questions that are already answered

Just one quick one - am I right in thinking I will lose all my existing apps that are on the phone so I'll have to reinstall them to the SD card?
NO!

Not at all. This process sets the phone to install almost all apps installed in future onto the sd card by default. It also enables you to move almost all currently installed apps over to the sd card once you do this process. It doesn't move any or delete any, and it doesn't require you to uninstall any.

You will just have to move the apps currently installed on the internal memory to the sd card manually (whereas before you couldn't do it at all) by going to (for example) - settings/applications/manage applications/ Asphalt 5 / click move to sd. And all future installs will go to the sd card.

I don't think I explained that very well but hopefully you get the jist of it. Basically, it doesn't delete existing installed apps and you just move them to sd yourself, all new apps that you install will now go to sd by default.
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NO!

Not at all. This process sets the phone to install almost all apps installed in future onto the sd card by default. It also enables you to move almost all currently installed apps over to the sd card once you do this process. It doesn't move any or delete any, and it doesn't require you to uninstall any.

You will just have to move the apps currently installed on the internal memory to the sd card manually (whereas before you couldn't do it at all) by going to (for example) - settings/applications/manage applications/ Asphalt 5 / click move to sd. And all future installs will go to the sd card.

I don't think I explained that very well but hopefully you get the jist of it. Basically, it doesn't delete existing installed apps and you just move them to sd yourself, all new apps that you install will now go to sd by default.
Cool, thanks for that

When I've got a spare hour gonna have a go at this.
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And, as far as I know, noob doesn't stand for anything. But the word noob just means the opposite of a pro or expert. I am a noob with android stuff as I switched from apple os crap so I really know very little about android. It was a noobs guide because it was simple, for people who didn't have a clue what they were doing.

Like, I was a total noob at using the other guides as they said "open cmd run promt" and I was like whoa slow down wtf? :P So I made this "noob" guide, for people like me who aren't experts with this techy stuff.[/QUOTE]

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Brilliant guide mate, just done it, easy!

What can I safely move to the SD card though?

I take it pre-installed stuff like maps etc can't?

Some that I've moved only seem to work again after I've reinstalled them?
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Great, clear instructions. Helped me free up 20Mb. Thank you
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I don't use HTC sync, I tend to use DropBox to move sdk files etc to my phone

will this process work through that method? and if so, how should I do it?
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I have a problem trusting someone who has ATK "constantly running".

Get that s#!t off your phone, man!
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Hey there, im currently stuck on # 12 Open windows command promt. Start / Ru
Where can i find the windows command promt? Do i run the SDK Manager? I cant press anything in the command window ( cant type anything) And what if anything goes wrong? Will i be able to hard reset or something with the phone?

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Hey there, im currently stuck on # 12 Open windows command promt. Start / Ru
Where can i find the windows command promt? Do i run the SDK Manager? I cant press anything in the command window ( cant type anything) And what if anything goes wrong? Will i be able to hard reset or something with the phone?

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You can't crash your phone with this! It is just an option that comes with Froyo (Android 2.2).It can be easily reversed by toggling the option back.

To get Windows command,
In windows 7, rightclick the Tools folder in SDK, and choose "Open command window here".
In other flavors of Windows, find cmd.exe, right click and drag it to the tools folder, and Choose the option to create a shortcut. Double click on the shortcut

Of course before typing the commands, one needs to run the sdksetup.exe
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Brilliant guide mate, just done it, easy!

What can I safely move to the SD card though?

I take it pre-installed stuff like maps etc can't?

Some that I've moved only seem to work again after I've reinstalled them?
It's easy. After using this method, download and install AppstoSD from Market. It'll notify you when an app that can be safely moved to sdcard has been installed by you, and will help you move it.
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I have a problem trusting someone who has ATK "constantly running".

Get that s#!t off your phone, man!
who you talking to? I said in the first post / guide that no one should ever ever use a task killer?
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Thanks dude, your a G, this has saved so much internal memory, seriously, how long did it take you to produce this material?

This has inspired me to share.
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thx william, ths worked in 10 mins so easy only thing is it seems for every app installed to sdcard a lil bit still goes on internal as my memory is still shrinking??? i was hoping to really load up my sdcard with games and apps but have only got 10 mb left internal...

do u know if poss to move big files like Maps, Contacts to sdcard?? iam greedy and want as many as possible lol

edit: also noticed i have dictionary.com installed the app works fine from sd card but the word of the dau widget doesnt, so i removed it and tried to add the widget again but did not show in the widget list...any ideas?

edit 2:LOL sorted i onlky moved app to sdcard so uninstalled it an re Dl it widget reapperared in list

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still unable to update apps....... anyone else????
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still unable to update apps....... anyone else????
I am also unable to install any new apps or update existing ones. I have found that if you move the app back to phone memory it updates fine but i still cant download new ones.
Any advice on this issue would be much appreciated.

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As I may have made clear already... I am a total noob! But ill ask anyway :P



You can run linux on an HTC Desire? :O

PS: Why in hell would you want to?
Heh. I'm sorry to have to break it to you, but Android is a version of Linux

Also, I thought I would expand on a comment earlier about what a noob is. You have the general gist of it right, & where the name came from is pure laziness when typing.
Newbie became newb which became noob.

I should point out that there are 2 variants on the definition of what a noob is though. & it really depends on which online community your interacting with as to what a noob means.

The first meaning is exactly as was described, a newbie. In gaming, the opposite is usually called a vet or veteran. In other things like using Android, the opposite is usually an expert.

The other meaning though, is intended to be an insult, sometimes written as n00b, but still might still be written as noob.

In the context of an insult, a n00b is somebody who has advanced from newbie status, but hasn't quite reached Veteran status. N00bs are usually considered to be people who think they know more than they actually do, they are also usually prideful & boastful. Some people can be quite offended to be called a noob because of this, so I recommend that you avoid using the word noob until you get to know a new community better.

In those communities where n00b is still an insult, they usually still use newb and/or newbies.

Thankfully though, n00b as an insult seems to be disappearing, and noob to denote newbie is becoming more common.

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Don't quite know where they are saved, but I wouldn't think it would matter as just copy every folder on the sd card onto the new one and I'd have thought that would work just fine.
indeed, but you must go into windows settings & turn on "show hidden windows and folders"* to make sure you get everything. It can be found here:

My Computer>tools>folder options>view>

*different versions of windows have different versions of that name, but the meaning is the same. In Windows 7 it's called "Hide protected operating system files".
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Heh. I'm sorry to have to break it to you, but Android is a version of Linux

Also, I thought I would expand on a comment earlier about what a noob is. You have the general gist of it right, & where the name came from is pure laziness when typing.
Newbie became newb which became noob.

I should point out that there are 2 variants on the definition of what a noob is though. & it really depends on which online community your interacting with as to what a noob means.

The first meaning is exactly as was described, a newbie. In gaming, the opposite is usually called a vet or veteran. In other things like using Android, the opposite is usually an expert.

The other meaning though, is intended to be an insult, sometimes written as n00b, but still might still be written as noob.

In the context of an insult, a n00b is somebody who has advanced from newbie status, but hasn't quite reached Veteran status. N00bs are usually considered to be people who think they know more than they actually do, they are also usually prideful & boastful. Some people can be quite offended to be called a noob because of this, so I recommend that you avoid using the word noob until you get to know a new community better.

In those communities where n00b is still an insult, they usually still use newb and/or newbies.

Thankfully though, n00b as an insult seems to be disappearing, and noob to denote newbie is becoming more common.



indeed, but you must go into windows settings & turn on "show hidden windows and folders"* to make sure you get everything. It can be found here:

My Computer>tools>folder options>view>

*different versions of windows have different versions of that name, but the meaning is the same. In Windows 7 it's called "Hide protected operating system files".
Thanks for the clarification and somewhat in depth information

Having said that, 3,809 views later and only 1 comment on the word n00b being offensive.... I think i'll stick with the guide title for now :P
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Just done a couple of updates on mine with no issues.
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this worked perfectly, thanks

did have some problems with widgets for some of the apps disappearing, but reinstalling the apps allowed them to be added again
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Thanks, just did this and it worked perfectly and painlessly. Just moved most of my apps over and it saved me 10mb.
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I am about to do this right now. Need some help - do you need to perfom steps 1-7 if the USB Drivers are already installed through HTC Sync??
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I did this without downloading the drivers as I thought I already had them through HTC sync which was already in my computer. I got the two $. But apps are still going to phone. When I typed the command lines as suggested I got lots of guff after each adb command, is this common? Please help.
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I did this without downloading the drivers as I thought I already had them through HTC sync which was already in my computer. I got the two $. But apps are still going to phone. When I typed the command lines as suggested I got lots of guff after each adb command, is this common? Please help.
It sounds like you didn't type the commands in correctly as the guff will have been the explanation for the commands. Copy and paste the commands into the command window then you can't go wrong. I also believe the commands are case sensitive so this would also stop it from working.

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Thanks Steve!

Did as you said. No Guff this time round. My experience with installing after the "successful" path change as follows:

1. Happy Ball - Went straight to SD
2. 4teh Birds - Went to SD but data on Phone
3. Talking Tom - Went to phone but was able to transfer to SD. Left a huge amount on phone, about 10 mb
4. Raging Thunder - Went to phone and could not be moved

I am back to only having 15 mb space left. I do not want to go lower just to avoid the annoying "low space" warning.

Not impressed. Please let me know if I have done something wrong. If this is the general experience I am mad at HTC for giving me only 133 mb of space for apps. I was not aware of the issue when I bought the phone. Should have done more research. But I will not be conned again and Samsung phones are not as stingy as HTC with internal space.
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just one thing
if we do a factory reset , will we have to do this again to get it to work or will it keep it as part of the system like it does with froyo ?
anyone tried it ?
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if we do a factory reset , will we have to do this again to get it to work or will it keep it as part of the system like it does with froyo ?
anyone tried it ?
you will have to do it again. But bear in mind, the process will now be much easier as the sdk is already downloaded and extracted.

So assuming you didn't move the sdk folder from the desktop (or wherever you put it) - you can now skip all the way down and start from step 10 It takes about a minute from there.
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Im still unable to download certain apps anow and updating is failing for anything installed on the SD card.
One particular app that wont download is Alarm Clock Plus V" (free)

If anyone else can try this and see if its just me thats having problems that would be great.

Its not exclusively this app but this is one that i remeber.

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I do not get it when people say having problems with update? Does the Phone say you have an update but you are not able to update? I have had n problems yet but then again I have not had any updates!

I have a dilema that some of you may be able to help me with - I am trying to download London Tube app with install selected to 2 (SD). App gets downloaded fine directly to SD and using it is piece of cake. I can alsoe see lots of widgets that I think will be of lot of help on a day like today when transport is in absolute chaos.

I had read in this forum that if you happs widgets stored to SD, at best it will not run properly or worst it may break the phone. Now my problem is when the app is in SD I can see the widgets but it disappears as soon as I transfer the app to phone.

I know I can always change install location and change it back but is there any other solution to this??
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I'm having a problem with updates as well

the apps just don't show as being on the phone, so it doesn't offer an update. when you search for the app in the market, it just gives you the option to download it, as if you didn't have it.

I have also found today that my Astrid Tasks and 3G Watchdog widgest have disappeared. The apps are still there, just the widgets.

This happened when I first carried out the process and I reinstalled them and got them back, but this morning they were gone again.
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Im still unable to download certain apps anow and updating is failing for anything installed on the SD card.
One particular app that wont download is Alarm Clock Plus V" (free)

If anyone else can try this and see if its just me thats having problems that would be great.

Its not exclusively this app but this is one that i remeber.

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I am having the same problem. It seems like this problem only prop up recently. And its not just you n me only. Anyone got any clue on it?

I tried resetting to default install location to "0" (auto) but still failed. Even reformatting the sd card won't work.
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I really appreciate your simple, concise and step by step explanation which just works! Thanks.


At first i can't get the usb_driver which comes with the android sdk working. To work around that, i simply goto the device manager in Control panel, and install the adb driver myself from the "program files/htc/htc driver/driver files/xp_x86/" directory. Presumably, this directory is setup by HTC after you run HTC sync the first time.

Hope this helps for those who have the same problems as me.

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Worked for me. Thanks
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I am having the same problem. It seems like this problem only prop up recently. And its not just you n me only. Anyone got any clue on it?

I tried resetting to default install location to "0" (auto) but still failed. Even reformatting the sd card won't work.
I was just about to try resetting the install location but if that doesnt work either then it looks like this might be a bit of a bigger problem. The weird thing is that i will let me download some apps but not others but wont let me update any of them unless i move them back to phone memory.

I guess noone seems to have any clue why this happens.

Looks like the fix to our storage problems may not be quite as good as first hoped.

Im guessing if formatting the SD card hasnt helped then the only thing you can do is to try a factory reset.

Kinda wish i hadnt done this mod now as i at least used to be able to update even if it was eating my storage space.
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i am using a mac, do you have to use windows to do this?
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Thank you William, very useful help now we have skype available which is a huge file, as is swype.

Just one point, I didn't have the proper Java stuff on the PC and had to download that first.

Secondly in your original post you say you have advanced task manager running constantly and then later near the bottom you say never run a task manager. Can you explain? I know there is a big debate over this issue.
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Thank you William, very useful help now we have skype available which is a huge file, as is swype.

Just one point, I didn't have the proper Java stuff on the PC and had to download that first.

Secondly in your original post you say you have advanced task manager running constantly and then later near the bottom you say never run a task manager. Can you explain? I know there is a big debate over this issue.
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Sorry for the second point. My fault. When I made the guide, being a Noob I though it was a good idea to use a task manager and so when I made the guide I did. But looking around the forums and online etc, I soon realised I shouldn't be using one at all. So I put at the top, never use one and forgot to take out the original bit. So thanks for alerting me - i've now updated the post.

You should never use a task killer because (and I won't go technical as I don't really understand it all to be honest) it breaks all the connections between apps and the phone etc. I suspect that was the reason my first desire broke. There is no need for it on android as the functionality is built right into the operating system unlike on iPhones. It detects which applications aren't in use etc and closes them in the background. Therefore, using a task killer breaks breaks it. Someone may want to clarify.

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This is an excellent guide
I reposted it in another forum Here
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This is an excellent guide
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I was just about to try resetting the install location but if that doesnt work either then it looks like this might be a bit of a bigger problem. The weird thing is that i will let me download some apps but not others but wont let me update any of them unless i move them back to phone memory.

I guess noone seems to have any clue why this happens.

Looks like the fix to our storage problems may not be quite as good as first hoped.

Im guessing if formatting the SD card hasnt helped then the only thing you can do is to try a factory reset.

Kinda wish i hadnt done this mod now as i at least used to be able to update even if it was eating my storage space.

Alright... I took the pain to do a reset on my phone and redo the tweak. I also reformat my sd card just to be safe. So far it has been fine. So you might want to try do the same.

Hope this helps.
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