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Old May 3rd, 2012, 06:38 PM   #51 (permalink)
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GSIII Benchmarks...

Looks like EVO LTE wont have much to worry about in that regard. lol

Samsung Galaxy S III gets benchmarked, shows plenty of promise -- Engadget
Silly Engadget.

We don't know if the US, specifically Sprint model, will get the Exynos or S4. If S4, it'll be more like EL TEvo than not.

If Exynos, this new Exynos 4412 has a twist to it that we've not seen before - the cores run asynchronously for clock speed and voltage levels - just like the S4. I'm just about positive that's a first for an ARM Cortex cpu design.

Translation - anything up to two cores used, the S4 will win. If more cores are used, the Exynos could match the S4 or pull out ahead.

The S4 is built using the power-friendly (more like get you drunk and seduce you than friendly) 28 nm manufacturing process. The Exynos is built from a 32 nm process.

The processors are going to be close (with the nod probably going to Exynos for very heavy gaming).


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Nailed it in one, compadre.

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TL/DR or too techy translation:

Software technologies exist so that those of us used to going under the hood, or used to just mounting our phones as an USB drive to get to our sd card content - can have all of our storage for apps or sd card use simply shared from a common pool.

Then instead of telling people that they're getting, say, 16 GB or whatever (true in hardware but not in reality - the operating system and phone needs some) they could just say - you're getting 11 GB or whatever on board to use for apps, media and your data.

Then, options for adding sd cards or buying phones with more memory will make more sense for all of us. We're smart enough to manage what we store on our PCs, we're smart enough to do that here on phones today.

Google, Samsung and HTC simply don't get us as consumers.

Still unless I hear that Samsung screwed up the added storage (and everyone has had a history of that at times), I'll have to give the storage round to Sammy on this one.

I'm giving both phones a C+ for having 1 GB of ram. These CPUs and GPUs are phenomenal and Android is only growing and app complexity and features can only increase - the day for 2 GB is here.

So, that's a draw for the SGS3 and EL TEvo, in my view.
Is the LTEvo really only getting about 2GB of memory for apps out of the 16GB of internal memory?
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I don't think all the new software including s voice and the new gestures like holding finger on screen and turning sideways to activate camera will have the impact Sammy desires in the long run. its brand new now and of course seems magical, but IMO only the iPhone can pull off those kinds of "magical" implementations. android has had things like voice search forever, and it's been overshadowed. iphone adds it and now Siri commercials are everywhere. the sheer number of loyalists, sales and funds at apples disposal allow that kind of stuff to take off with them. I just don't think people will find it as revolutionary on an android device. initially yes, but only for a very short while, especially when some of the new software ie the holding finger and turning for cam activation seems more cumbersome than not, at least based on the vid I saw of that feature in action. it would be great if it weren't this way, but crazily I think these features on the new gs3 will ultimately end up being compared to and called "copying" the iPhone.
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I do like the auto call when held to face thingy. I could see myself using a feature like that sometimes. as of now it's rare that from texting or a contact page that I end up calling the person, otherwise why not just call from jump, but at times it could be useful....


oh and the pop up vid could be cool...trying to figure out how I or when I would use that....maybe as a reference if sending a text or email or something...

as I keep thinking about it, the more it seems like Sammy might have overplayed the stroke just a tad bit with some of the new software features...I equate many of them to the 3d in the 3vo....not an everyday thing with me. not even an every several months thing....perhaps time didn't afford them to "shock the world" and the focus on software is meant to bide them more time until the next time...interesting...in contrast to me with EL TEvo, most of the things to brag about are features that I'll most likely use darn near every day, ie kickstand, cam, hd voice in the near future, shutter button....just my take
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I don't think all the new software including s voice and the new gestures like holding finger on screen and turning sideways to activate camera will have the impact Sammy desires in the long run. its brand new now and of course seems magical, but IMO only the iPhone can pull off those kinds of "magical" implementations. android has had things like voice search forever, and it's been overshadowed. iphone adds it and now Siri commercials are everywhere. the sheer number of loyalists, sales and funds at apples disposal allow that kind of stuff to take off with them. I just don't think people will find it as revolutionary on an android device. initially yes, but only for a very short while, especially when some of the new software ie the holding finger and turning for cam activation seems more cumbersome than not, at least based on the vid I saw of that feature in action. it would be great if it weren't this way, but crazily I think these features on the new gs3 will ultimately end up being compared to and called "copying" the iPhone.
Even before Android, Windows Mobile had voice search and calling and IMO, was 10X's better than Android, especially when using A2DP Bluetooth. Windows Mobile voice calling was actually much more accurate and it would ask you if it got the right person, prior to dialing (vs. Android, where it just dials what it thinks you said).

Main thing I'm skeptical about with all the new software Samsung has come out with is how does it work in "real world" environments. Does S voice really work that well, when you're in a public area where there's all kinds of extra noise in the background? And how does it work with bluetooth headsets and a2dp or does it work with a2dp at all? With facial recognition, how will it work in the dark? Those are the types of things I'd like to see, once the phone is out at the end of May. Even then, who knows if that translates the same on the Sprint version.
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Is the LTEvo really only getting about 2GB of memory for apps out of the 16GB of internal memory?
If it's allocated like the One X, and I think that it will be, then yep, 2 GB for apps, double what the Evo 3D had.

I believe that the LTEvo won't ship with an sd card, and like all extended-storage phones, a portion of the larger storage will be mounted as /sdcard - that's pretty standard now.

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FWIW - before Siri, Samsung ran ads on it's voice recognition stuff built-in.

They didn't get accused of copying later, because no one really paid attention to the ads. Apple makes a ton on iPhones and their marketing is focused, while for Sammy, it's just another business segment (and their advertising pushes Sammy first, products second, features third - no wonder no one noticed).

The Siri mindset is there. Anything said on the Android side will forevermore be compared to Siri, and facts won't matter.

To this day, people will still comment on Beta vs VHS with all sorts of urban myths accepted as facts.

Voice recognition in the Android vs Apple world will no different years from now.

Even if it gets the relevance it deserves, like, videotapes.

(Goes back to what I said earlier - planners are always fighting the last war. Samsung is fighting the Siri war with that stuff. That war is already over.)

Oh - in my opinion.
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The Galaxy Nexus is 720p with PenTile. I had a chance to examine the screen of a coworker's GNex, and at that pixel density, you do have to look hard to notice it. So I think at 720p the vast majority of people will think it's a non-issue. Of course, given the choice between PenTile 720p and traditional RGB stripe 720p, I'm still going with RGB stripe, simply because I can still see the difference, and I don't have to settle.
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Which phone is thinner!?
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GSIII by a fraction of a mm so for all intents and purposes they are the same

GS3 is 8.6mm LTEVO is 8.9mm thin... mute in my opinion... if anyone out there can feel the difference of .3mm at roughly 9mm thickness your pretty special

that means the LTEVO is 3.4% thicker than the GSIII according to my head math
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damn.. more more to think about...

but... how are sammy's radio this time around...have they REALLY fixed it?
and have they just shoved a bunch of great stuff in their box.. without trying to work on how well they work together in the box (integration)
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GSIII by a fraction of a mm so for all intents and purposes they are the same

GS3 is 8.6mm LTEVO is 8.9mm thin... mute in my opinion... if anyone out there can feel the difference of .3mm at roughly 9mm thickness your pretty special

that means the LTEVO is 3.4% thicker than the GSIII according to my head math
Indeed! With the LTEvo dedicated camera button, kickstand and 2100mAh battery and it only bieng a .3mm difference, that's good HTC! LTEvo the force is strong in you.....sigh.....sigh! It's true! lol!
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Looking at how Samsung made their phone thinner, and with a removable battery, why couldn't HTC find a way to do the same? It seems like HTC may rushed things a bit to me.
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I will not own a PenTile device. Ever.

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The International version One x has the same thickness and weighs less.....

Samsung Galaxy S3 - 131 x 63.7 x 8.9mm, 133g
HTC One X - 134 x 70 x 8.9mm, 130g
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damn.. more more to think about...

but... how are sammy's radio this time around...have they REALLY fixed it?
and have they just shoved a bunch of great stuff in their box.. without trying to work on how well they work together in the box (integration)
In addition to the fact SGSIII uses a PenTile screen... those radio questions of yours are of my biggest concern regarding Samsung.
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There's not a lot separating the two phones when you take a step back.

And the blogosphere has not been kind to the SGS3. Common new memes are, "SGS3, Samsung's iP4s" and "Samsung is now the HTC of 2011."

Meanwhile, LG announced a phone for Korea with 2 GB of ram and pissed off the blogosphere completely. Common meme, what idiot wants that?
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There's no telling what will happen to the American version and if Sprint doesn't do something else with it, as well. Comparing the LTEvo to the international version of the GS3 is a bit off balance, at best. I think I'll wait until Sprint releases details about the GS3 that they will be carrying. And, of course, the very odd name they will give it.
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Samsung Epic Galaxy 4G LTE Touch Speak See III, coming to a Sprint dealer near you.
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Yeah, Sprint has always altered the Galaxy S line. I wonder what they will do with the GS3.
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Samsung Epic Speakeasy LTE touch

if they add the NOTE size screen to SG3 and a kickstand... that would be a homerun.
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yea, the One X is carbonate... but isnt the EVO LTE metal?


I heard the iphone 5 will be made of carbonite
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LOL, yes! I was thinking Epic 4G LTE Touch or Epic 4G Touch LTE, personally. To mimic the Evo line names.

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if they add the NOTE size screen to SG3 and a kickstand... that would be a homerun.
And it's name would be Epic 4G LTE Note+
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LOL, yes! I was thinking Epic 4G LTE Touch or Epic 4G Touch LTE, personally. To mimic the Evo line names.
I'm going with Epic 4G Touch LTE lol.
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Looking at how Samsung made their phone thinner, and with a removable battery, why couldn't HTC find a way to do the same? It seems like HTC may rushed things a bit to me.


Anticipating this question, I answered this earlier in the thread. Come on man!

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I'll just note for anyone wondering -- Samsung's ability to develop a phone thinner than the HTC One X and with a removable 7.77 Whr battery is a testament to the space advantages of AMOLED screen technology.

Using optical lamination on an LCD display pretty much cuts down the thickness of the screen as much as physically possible, but nonetheless, having a backlight requires some space.

Since AMOLED pixels are self emissive (they generate their own light), that accounts for your space saving right there!
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as I keep thinking about it, the more it seems like Sammy might have overplayed the stroke just a tad bit with some of the new software features...I equate many of them to the 3d in the 3vo....not an everyday thing with me.
It's the only choice they have. Android manufacturers are desperate to distinguish themselves and avoid commoditization of the Android phone market -- because at some point, and we're already seeing this, the hardware is converging and there isn't much to distinguish one phone from another from a hardware standpoint.

Already on most hardware fronts, the HTC One X/LTEvo and the Galaxy S3 are pretty comparable. As other people have already observed, in many ways it's a wash. Similar thinness, CPU performance, screen size, screen resolution, etc.

Samsung needs to build brand loyalty and through its attempted innovation on the software end, they are hoping it's enough glitz for consumers new to the smartphone market to jump on that ship.
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if they add the NOTE size screen to SG3 and a kickstand... that would be a homerun.
You forgot the Note stylus.

I think that's as cool as a kickstand, and I bet even at 4.7 or 4.8" it would be plenty useful.

Both missed the stylus boat. Given the price gouging that HTC did for it on their tablet, I am not surprised though.
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If you're looking for a stylus, I'd recommend getting a capacitive stylus pen. I used one with my tablet, it worked pretty good. Doubles as a pen Not as neat as having a cradle for it built into the device, but I always carry a pen with me, so I use that. Even on my 4.3" Evo 3D. Works with screen protectors, too, but screen protectors make it a little harder to use.
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Didn't see this posted yet, but Anandtech did a really good preview of the GSIII

AnandTech - The Samsung Galaxy S III Preview

The screen is pentile but not quite the same as the Nexus, they say they didn't see any of the mura or luminance inconsistency that has plagued the Nexus. The camera sensors are also so new that they haven't been announced or even made publicly available yet.
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Actually, I was responding to you, having already seen the Anandtech report.

The SGS3 uses the S5C73M3, an 8 MP BSI sensor.

The HTC uses the S5K3H2YX, an 8 MP BSI sensor.

The HTC opens to F/2. 0, the SGS3 to F/2.6, letting in less light than the LTEvo.

The only compensation for that crime that I can imagine would be a more sensitive version of the Samsung sensor used in LTEvo. Then, it might be a wash.

So, even though the part numbers are different, it's an 8 MP BSI sensor with sufficient light gathering in both. Not an exciting difference to me, but really overall the same.

The LTEvo steps it up with the Image Chip and Image Sense.

OK to roast me for judging a book by its cover or knowing it all without the SGS3 for the USA even being out yet, but I have seen this particular song and dance before. Samsung made no special effort about the camera during the announcement in a day when everyone is talking about the cameras in the One X, the iP4s and Nokia.

I hope that the Sammy has a spectacular camera. If it does, buyers will win and I will eat crow (with Texas style BBQ sauce, per usual).

Meanwhile, I'll go on record, controversially, and predict a fail on the Sammy camera.

And judge pictures on the Sammy based on its actual main processor to used with Sprint, because that's likely going to matter.
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Actually, I was responding to you, having already seen the Anandtech report.

The SGS3 uses the S5C73M3, an 8 MP BSI sensor.

The HTC uses the S5K3H2YX, an 8 MP BSI sensor.

The HTC opens to F/2. 0, the SGS3 to F/2.6, letting in less light than the LTEvo.

The only compensation for that crime that I can imagine would be a more sensitive version of the Samsung sensor used in LTEvo. Then, it might be a wash.

So, even though the part numbers are different, it's an 8 MP BSI sensor with sufficient light gathering in both. Not an exciting difference to me, but really overall the same.

The LTEvo steps it up with the Image Chip and Image Sense.

OK to roast me for judging a book by its cover or knowing it all without the SGS3 for the USA even being out yet, but I have seen this particular song and dance before. Samsung made no special effort about the camera during the announcement in a day when everyone is talking about the cameras in the One X, the iP4s and Nokia.

I hope that the Sammy has a spectacular camera. If it does, buyers will win and I will eat crow (with Texas style BBQ sauce, per usual).

Meanwhile, I'll go on record, controversially, and predict a fail on the Sammy camera.

And judge pictures on the Sammy based on its actual main processor to used with Sprint, because that's likely going to matter.
I looked up the S5K3H2YX and noticed it was use in the Original GSII, as well as the Mytouch Slide, but the difference is the aperture. Being that I get great shots on my Epic touch, I am willing to bet the newer sensor will work better than the Epic and possibly better than the One X.

The other big difference is compression and how HTC and Samsung handle it.
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I looked up the S5K3H2YX and noticed it was use in the Original GSII, as well as the Mytouch Slide, but the difference is the aperture. Being that I get great shots on my Epic touch, I am willing to bet the newer sensor will work better than the Epic and possibly better than the One X.

The other big difference is compression and how HTC and Samsung handle it.
Yep. The Image Chip will handle the ISP, so we'll see.

And I agree, the new sensor may do better at gathering light - you think it might do enough better to overcome the lens difference? OK, interesting, we'll see.
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Yeah, it'll be interesting to see. Most (if not all) photographers shooting with DSLRs will tell you to save your money on the body (sensor) and spend it on the glass (lens), so the lens is a huge part of an image quality equation. That said, I'm willing to concede that in mobile applications (since the sensors are so small), there are greater differences between a cheap/old mobile sensor and a newer one (versus SLRs), so I'm sure the sensor plays a larger role here.

It's too bad HTC isn't going with a fancy new sensor, but perhaps they are more interested in going with a proven sensor. The Mytouch Slide's camera and image quality were very well regarded in reviews, with many reviewers noting that it was the best camera they've used on a phone, and that was with a f2.2 lens, so I'm optimistic about the lens/sensor combination here with the f2.0 lens.
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Anticipating this question, I answered this earlier in the thread. Come on man!
I wasn't looking for an answer, I was making a point. My point being, if Samsung did it, HTC could have done the same if they took their time. HTC has said that people prefer thinner phones to battery life. This is why they chose a thin phone over battery life. I think they could have done both.
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Soo.. My contract is up. Still using my original EVO 4G. Trying to decide whether to pre-order the EVO 4G LTE or wait on the Galaxy S3.

Personally, I've loved my EVO and really like the upgrades on the new EVO 4G LTE - but I haven't owned a Samsung phone in about 4 years.

Sooo, for those of you that are looking to upgrade soon, please let me know what product you are likely to buy - and why.
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I think the S3 will be out much sooner this time around probably by middle Summer.

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Based on the May 29 release for the International SGS 3, the timeframes might be similar to last year. It really depends on any leaks or announcements that are made about the MoPhoQ.

I completely forgot about the iPhone5...but yeah, I'm expecting that'll be October, since that'll be the 1 year mark.
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Soo.. My contract is up. Still using my original EVO 4G. Trying to decide whether to pre-order the EVO 4G LTE or wait on the Galaxy S3.

Personally, I've loved my EVO and really like the upgrades on the new EVO 4G LTE - but I haven't owned a Samsung phone in about 4 years.

Sooo, for those of you that are looking to upgrade soon, please let me know what product you are likely to buy - and why.
My vote would be for the SIII. I really like Samsung phones and dislike HTC. I have owned both and really just prefer Samsung.
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I wasn't looking for an answer, I was making a point. My point being, if Samsung did it, HTC could have done the same if they took their time. HTC has said that people prefer thinner phones to battery life. This is why they chose a thin phone over battery life. I think they could have done both.
Whether you were looking for an answer or not, it is the answer.

I'll spell it out for you.

Engineering is full of tradeoffs. The tradeoff I presented is that, in order to get a device as thin as the Galaxy S3, you need an AMOLED display, as current LCD technology takes up more space/depth than an AMOLED display because of the backlighting requirements. AMOLED is self emissive and does not require backlighting and the additional space it requires. Hence, the S3 being thin, and hence the One S being thinner than the One X. In other words, to reach the S3's thinness, you need an AMOLED display.

Using AMOLED itself is an engineering compromise. You can have a thinner device (better contrast, blacker blacks), but apparently the fabrication processes have not developed to the point where you can use an RGB stripe pixel arrangement and must go with Pentile instead. People's opinions on how much of a compromise Pentile is vary, but needless to say, there are less subpixels and many have panned Pentile image quality. People have raved about HTC's display choice, so it's obviously a decision HTC looked at carefully.

So, when you suggest that HTC's thickness and inability to include a removable battery is the result of a substandard engineering team or rushed development, that opinion is flawed because it ignores the design and engineering compromises and advantages that must be made.

The Samsung S3 may be thinner, but they also use an AMOLED Pentile display that is unacceptable to many (not to mention the fact that I'm sure Samsung is hoarding these screens for themselves and it is a supply question as to whether HTC could have even used this kind of screen for itself). I for one am glad HTC opted for the screen technology they did, and the cost in thickness and battery is acceptable to me, as I'm sure it is for many others.
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I've moved this thread to its correct area for some responses from Sprint users.

I'm waiting for my upgrade to take effect, and there is no doubt to which device I'm leaning towards.(Sense 4.0)
Samsung just don't do it for me. Their operating system is so....? Uh! Hmm!
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That's a good starting list. I'm still trying to decide which will be the phone to pick. The EVO is winning the battle so far. I was hoping that Samsung would have improved with Touchwiz. Is it just me or does it still look like Gingerbread with a little of ICS on top? Is Sprint still getting the Note? This year I might have to wait and try all these phones out before I decide. But EVO is winning so far....
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I would have to see the phones next to each other in the store before I made a decision.

I really prefer the S3 except for the pentile AMOLED. It's a deal breaker for me. I just don't understand why they didn't just make it Super AMOLED + (Plus). Ultimately I'd end up with the EvoLTE because of the display.

I went through the same decision making process between the Evo3D vs the S2. I ended up choosing the Evo3D because it had a higher resolution display. While I preferred the S2 in every way over the Evo3D, the higher quality (higher-resolution) RGB-Stripe display on the Evo3D won me over. I don't really have a preference between SLCD or AMOLED, but I can't stand pentile displays.

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Whether you were looking for an answer or not, it is the answer.

I'll spell it out for you.

Engineering is full of tradeoffs. The tradeoff I presented is that, in order to get a device as thin as the Galaxy S3, you need an AMOLED display, as current LCD technology takes up more space/depth than an AMOLED display because of the backlighting requirements. AMOLED is self emissive and does not require backlighting and the additional space it requires. Hence, the S3 being thin, and hence the One S being thinner than the One X. In other words, to reach the S3's thinness, you need an AMOLED display.

Using AMOLED itself is an engineering compromise. You can have a thinner device (better contrast, blacker blacks), but apparently the fabrication processes have not developed to the point where you can use an RGB stripe pixel arrangement and must go with Pentile instead. People's opinions on how much of a compromise Pentile is vary, but needless to say, there are less subpixels and many have panned Pentile image quality. People have raved about HTC's display choice, so it's obviously a decision HTC looked at carefully.

So, when you suggest that HTC's thickness and inability to include a removable battery is the result of a substandard engineering team or rushed development, that opinion is flawed because it ignores the design and engineering compromises and advantages that must be made.

The Samsung S3 may be thinner, but they also use an AMOLED Pentile display that is unacceptable to many (not to mention the fact that I'm sure Samsung is hoarding these screens for themselves and it is a supply question as to whether HTC could have even used this kind of screen for itself). I for one am glad HTC opted for the screen technology they did, and the cost in thickness and battery is acceptable to me, as I'm sure it is for many others.
Thanks for the information. For me, battery life is more important than thickness or screen technology. I don't like having to worry about battery life when I'm traveling out of town. I like having the option having extra batteries.
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Yep. The Image Chip will handle the ISP, so we'll see.

And I agree, the new sensor may do better at gathering light - you think it might do enough better to overcome the lens difference? OK, interesting, we'll see.
It's possible. The iPhone 4S is 2.4 I believe and still takes the best photos around.
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Based on the May 29 release for the International SGS 3, the timeframes might be similar to last year. It really depends on any leaks or announcements that are made about the MoPhoQ.

I completely forgot about the iPhone5...but yeah, I'm expecting that'll be October, since that'll be the 1 year mark.
Well, Samsung did say we would see the S3 in the US in June so....Also consider that the GSIII is the phone of the Olympics. They don't really wanna release a phone months after the Olympics..
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I would have to see the phones next to each other in the store before I made a decision.

I really prefer the S3 except for the pentile AMOLED. It's a deal breaker for me. I just don't understand why they didn't just make it Super AMOLED + (Plus). Ultimately I'd end up with the EvoLTE because of the display.

I went through the same decision making process between the Evo3D vs the S2. I ended up choosing the Evo3D because it had a higher resolution display. While I preferred the S2 in every way over the Evo3D, the higher quality (higher-resolution) RGB-Stripe display on the Evo3D won me over. I don't really have a preference between SLCD or AMOLED, but I can't stand pentile displays.

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I actually find it interesting that Samsung decided to go with the pentile AMOLED display on this given the gripes that I've seen unless they're going to put out a new superphone very soon to deal with the gripes. Then again, maybe I'm just being optimistic.
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For me it always comes down to which software you like. I prefer HTC and Sense. I played around with my brother's SGII and wasn't too impressed. Granted they made a lot of upgrades but I would rather be in bed with the enemy I know than the one I don't know. Plus I'm just so impatient. I need my phone now! Honestly I couldn't on my hands how many times I had to use the phone and really push the processor and benchmark tests mean little to me in the end if they are somewhat close.
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