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Old April 17th, 2013, 08:08 AM   #101 (permalink)
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Even if his picture is not fake, comparing just bars is not so useful. You need to test dbm, speedtest, browsing, etc.
Indeed.

I have reports from an HTC One user I follow in twitter who I trust and on the same networks and locations he is experiencing very poor network connectivity compared to his (several) other phones. Of course a data set of one, no matter how trustworthy, is too limited to draw any conclusions from, but it gives me some reservations about that side of things.

Be interesting to see more information come to light with wider release, and when I have my One to compare to my Padfone Infinity, HTC Butterfly, Xperia Z and 600/Octa S4s.

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It was rumored that the GS4 would have a different lens made by Sony
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Indeed.

I have reports from an HTC One user I follow in twitter who I trust and on the same networks and locations he is experiencing very poor network connectivity compared to his (several) other phones. Of course a data set of one, no matter how trustworthy, is too limited to draw any conclusions from, but it gives me some reservations about that side of things.

Be interesting to see more information come to light with wider release, and when I have my One to compare to my Padfone Infinity, HTC Butterfly, Xperia Z and 600/Octa S4s.
If correct, I wonder if the metal design is impeding reception? iPhone design provides a window for the radio signal. Surely HTC did not pull an ASUS and put the antennas behind metal. Not joking or being sarcastic- HTC is too savvy for a big miss like this. No sd slot is nuts, but they usually do a good job with overall design.
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If correct, I wonder if the metal design is impeding reception? iPhone design provides a window for the radio signal. Surely HTC did not pull an ASUS and put the antennas behind metal. Not joking or being sarcastic- HTC is too savvy for a big miss like this. No sd slot is nuts, but they usually do a good job with overall design.
I hope metal case isn't impeding reception. There were already glaring examples with Apple and ASUS around metal cases impeding reception, so HTC should have been very aware of issues and possible solutions regarding signal reception and metal cases. Will be interesting to see more reviews and people's real world experience as more production model One's end up in people's hands in order to see if this is a consistent issue across the board on all production devices (which would hint at a design flaw).
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I would be all over the HTC-One in a heart beat, but, since it's not coming to Verizon any time soon, Verizon is forcing me to the S4, I know, not a bad way to go either, the S4 would be my 2nd pick anyways. But, a little annoyed, that the HTC-One isn't an option on Verizon, friggin big red!!!!
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But not because of an agenda-ladened faked photo, but rather just because.
Hi EarlyMon,

I'm not going to get into a slagging match with you because you clearly put a lot of work into this site and have a lot of talent. I don't know you and so it would be rude as well. I'm sure we'd have some great discussions if we ever met.

To answer your accusations, I have absolutely no agenda other than to wish to help someone out before they made a very significant purchase.

What you have done here is prove how conspiracy theorists get carried away and believe they have done some terrific research to disprove something. I absolutely know that the photo is 100% genuine because I took it. All the things you point out are just as is came out - a rather hurried photo taken under a plastic sheet to try and avoid the reflections from the lights above. It was resized in Paint Shop Pro 7 because it was massive and I guess that stripped the ExiF because it is a program written in 2000.

As for us only being in the 'marketing and customer support' fields, may I refer you to our section on Diagnostics?

If you like, you are more than welcome to come to my office and I will show you anything you want to see. I have nothing to hide.

But first of all I would like an apology for the public accusation of faking results when all I was trying to do was help one of your members.

In future, it may be wiser to get in touch first before posting items like this which, if I was such a person, could end up with a lawsuit. For the record, I'm not, and it won't because people like that are _jerks_, but I must admit that I was a little upset because I look fat in that video...).
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There were already glaring examples with Apple and ASUS around metal cases impeding reception...
And just to add another faked photo to my arsenal, here is a side by side of an iPhone 5 and an iPhone 4.

After Antennagate you'd have thought Apple would make the iPhone 5 better, but it is in fact worse.

Yes, the iPhone 5 is Jailbroken. No that doesn't make any difference. Yes, it was the latest OS with the 3G issue fixed.



Disclaimer: May I add that mine is the one on the left. I don't even know who those jolly cherubs are on the right (my daughter's 4S).
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Not exactly less than a millimeter difference, now is it?
I'm touched that you spent so much time on this.

Note that the picture is at a slight angle. You can see this by looking at the top edges - they are at an angle. I had my iPhone in one hand and an A1 piece of 5mm plastic sheet balanced on my back to shield me from the lights in the ceiling when I quickly took this photo to help one of your forum members.

So you would need to do it with a trapezoid, not a rectangle.
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I hope metal case isn't impeding reception. There were already glaring examples with Apple and ASUS around metal cases impeding reception, so HTC should have been very aware of issues and possible solutions regarding signal reception and metal cases. Will be interesting to see more reviews and people's real world experience as more production model One's end up in people's hands in order to see if this is a consistent issue across the board on all production devices (which would hint at a design flaw).

Both blogosphere reviews and user reviews here report no signal issues aside from what appears to the occasional lemon for our user group.

The antennas are active and rather than separated into dedicated cell antennas by band, the upper and lower antennas work dynamically in tandem.

The iPhone 5 was the first in the industry with an active antenna design and as I understand the One is the second (refer to AnandTech). I think that Apple used their own chipset for that and I think that I have identified the part that HTC is using.

In any case, our members who own both the iPhone 5 and the One report better reception and battery life on the One.

Visit the review threads or antenna thread in our One forum if curious.

http://androidforums.com/htc-one/

The One isn't perfect and we're seeing the typical (not excusable, but typical) list of glitch issues I've seen with every phone release.

Whatever faults the One has, cell reception isn't one of them by all accounts.

Still need to see how it does with CDMA and LTE, but according to FCC documents the One shows a 4 dB improvement over last year's models for that.

TL/DR - possible occasional lemons but no design flaw indicated.
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Both blogosphere reviews and user reviews here report no signal issues aside from what appears to the occasional lemon for our user group.

The antennas are active and rather than separated into dedicated cell antennas by band, the upper and lower antennas work dynamically in tandem.

The iPhone 5 was the first in the industry with an active antenna design and as I understand the One is the second (refer to AnandTech). I think that Apple used their own chipset for that and I think that I have identified the part that HTC is using.

In any case, our members who own both the iPhone 5 and the One report better reception and battery life on the One.

Visit the review threads or antenna thread in our One forum if curious.

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The One isn't perfect and we're seeing the typical (not excusable, but typical) list of glitch issues I've seen with every phone release.

Whatever faults the One has, cell reception isn't one of them by all accounts.

Still need to see how it does with CDMA and LTE, but according to FCC documents the One shows a 4 dB improvement over last year's models for that.

TL/DR - possible occasional lemons but no design flaw indicated.
That's what I would have expected: the occasional lemon, rather than an inherent design flaw. Especially with all the signal reception scandals the past few years, HTC would have to have been living in a cave to not be aware of potential issues. So I won't worry about it being an issue with the One unless there are suddenly widespread reports of very poor signal reception with production models, which if it were to happen would indicate something more than the occasional lemon.

But as of now there doesn't appear to be any conclusive evidence that there are any signal reception issues to be concerned about.
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I'm not going to get into a slagging match with you because you clearly put a lot of work into this site and have a lot of talent. I don't know you and so it would be rude as well. I'm sure we'd have some great discussions if we ever met.

To answer your accusations, I have absolutely no agenda other than to wish to help someone out before they made a very significant purchase.

What you have done here is prove how conspiracy theorists get carried away and believe they have done some terrific research to disprove something. I absolutely know that the photo is 100% genuine because I took it. All the things you point out are just as is came out - a rather hurried photo taken under a plastic sheet to try and avoid the reflections from the lights above. It was resized in Paint Shop Pro 7 because it was massive and I guess that stripped the ExiF because it is a program written in 2000.

As for us only being in the 'marketing and customer support' fields, may I refer you to our section on Diagnostics?

If you like, you are more than welcome to come to my office and I will show you anything you want to see. I have nothing to hide.

But first of all I would like an apology for the public accusation of faking results when all I was trying to do was help one of your members.

In future, it may be wiser to get in touch first before posting items like this which, if I was such a person, could end up with a lawsuit. For the record, I'm not, and it won't because people like that are _jerks_, but I must admit that I was a little upset because I look fat in that video...).
Show us pictures, even better a video, of both phones, side by side with pictures of software version screens and actual signal levels and my apologies will be both profuse and sincere.

Our members are also complaining that your post and matching picture claim a final version for the One software but your app drawer icon doesn’t match what's being shipped and used with the stock One.

One of our members wanted to know why it appeared that the One was running the Android Task Killer, I opined that maybe your group believes in that.

Not a few people didn't believe your post, I have been the voice and one of them.

Please substantiate your claim as requested and as I said, your apology will be forthcoming.

As for being flattered that I spent so much time on your post, you're entirely welcome. I'd have probably not had it not been for the complaints and an hour or two between answering those and looking over your stuff was no big deal, but rather my pleasure to help.

As for not contacting you first, I have good reasons for that. I have spoken highly of LucidCX in my post and not knowing if you really were who you indirectly claimed to be, I simply answered your public charge in kind.

As for trapezoids, no thanks. I asked one of my friends, a digital forensics expert to take your side and prove me wrong last night. I especially asked him to take into account that a small wide-angle lens common to a cell phone may have been used. He declined to continue after verifying my initial results due to the fact that there were too many unknowns in your setup.

As for jailbreaking, we don't care and I don't blame you.

You've made the claim that the One has reception issues.

Professional reviewers and our members claim otherwise.

The burden of proof is yours and if I'm wrong about the issue, humble crow pie is a taste that I know and have become accustomed to.

PS - would love to meet up but I have no immediate plans to visit the UK. If that changes, I'll gladly visit your office.
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I would be all over the HTC-One in a heart beat, but, since it's not coming to Verizon any time soon, Verizon is forcing me to the S4, I know, not a bad way to go either, the S4 would be my 2nd pick anyways. But, a little annoyed, that the HTC-One isn't an option on Verizon, friggin big red!!!!
Its coming. Give it a few months. Big red wants to sell its stock of DNAs.

Nobody is gonna buy them if they know the one is on the horizon
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If the aluminum is impeding reception, you will not notice unless in threshold areas where signal goes from good to something less. A big misnomer is the way some review signal in mainly good dBm level areas. Especially for "4G", the signal performs great with medium to high signal dBm, so no harm no foul.

Reception issues show up in non-good signal areas.
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If the aluminum is impeding reception, you will not notice unless in threshold areas where signal goes from good to something less. A big misnomer is the way some review signal in mainly good dBm level areas. Especially for "4G", the signal performs great with medium to high signal dBm, so no harm no foul.

Reception issues show up in non-good signal areas.
I agree, that's all common sense in the RF world.
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If correct, I wonder if the metal design is impeding reception? iPhone design provides a window for the radio signal. Surely HTC did not pull an ASUS and put the antennas behind metal.
No, not behind the metal: AnandTech | The HTC One Review
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Not at all, pre ordered my GS4 yesterday. Reason why didn't go with the Htc One is due to it having an even smaller display than my GS3, No memory card slot (Ive got a 32GB MicroSDHC and a 16GB which I swap between), lack of Multiview multitasking (Ive been spoilt by this in my GS3 ), lack of Super AMOLED (love the eye popping colours of these displays since my Nokia N8 and GS2), battery life not as great as S4 going by some reviews and also the fact that its CPU/GPU is less powerful than the Exynos 5 Octa variant im getting.
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For some reason I thought of Tenacious D's "The Metal" song

That is good, since kind of hard to fix with software
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Still sticking with the s4 once I get enlisted into the Mlitary. I've had the HTC thunderbolt for 2.5 years and hate it do death. I do not care for the HTC sense and everything around it. Plus its very slow phone IMO. After the s3 great release i was stoked for the s4 this year since my contract has finally gone month to month with VZW I can switch out whenever I can. I need unlimited data and Sprint offers that!
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Make sure your area has 4gLTE in your area first.

I made a mistake switching from alltel to get dial up data speeds, sometimes worse.

Not trying to dissuade you, just to know what to expect
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Make sure your area has 4gLTE in your area first.

I made a mistake switching from alltel to get dial up data speeds, sometimes worse.

Not trying to dissuade you, just to know what to expect
As a Verizon DNA user i keep hearing HTC phones are laggy, sense is bloated and HTC never updates their phones,but i have yet to see any of these claims.not saying HTC is better then any other, it more then fits my needs,where i am not a fan of the way the screen looks on Samsunng phones,i sure hope with the S4 they fixed that Dim issue.
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As a Verizon DNA user i keep hearing HTC phones are laggy, sense is bloated and HTC never updates their phones,but i have yet to see any of these claims.not saying HTC is better then any other, it more then fits my needs,where i am not a fan of the way the screen looks on Samsunng phones,i sure hope with the S4 they fixed that Dim issue.
As a former htc user myself, I don't see the claims being true unless it's on some older htc devices which tend to be true.

Only thing I wished samsung has that htc does is build quality, build quality of samsung devices just feel so flimsy and toy-ish if you will.
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HTC and Samsung user UI layers are not laggy like they were due to more efficient byte code in JB, more ram and faster chipsets. The UI is no longer a performance issue, though perception is reality sometimes.
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As a former htc user myself, I don't see the claims being true unless it's on some older htc devices which tend to be true.

Only thing I wished samsung has that htc does is build quality, build quality of samsung devices just feel so flimsy and toy-ish if you will.
I'll place a bet that the next Galaxy Note & S will have a metal design.

If there's one thing you can rely on Samsung is they listen and act very quickly to sort out any negativity issues....
Although previous HTC phones have been metal the HTC One has caused quite a stir and Samsung have realised there is a lot of negativity to their plastic devices. This ultimately hurts Samsung sales.
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I don't believe Samsung sales are going to hurt. I do believe they wish they'd done a metal design for the S4.
If they don't do it for the Note 3 they'd be very foolish cause people are not just tired of plastic but they're tired of every phone looking alike.
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Thinking about it - I visit a lot of phone forums. Every material has had complaints - plastic, aluminum, glass, carbon fiber, Kevlar.

Personally, if any of them wanted to win my heart, they'd have the outer case be some sort of rubber-like material. Something that would grip you back, be nice and bouncy and shock-absorbing on a bounce.

Only thing I've seen close is the Gz'One Commando, and I don't know how many people would be ok with a armored device right out of the box.

But I bet it would save a whole lot of people a whole lot of grief.
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in terms of materials, the battery back of the HTC thunderbolt had a nice soft touch semi rubber feel that i liked. if the entire back of the phone was made that way instead of just the battery cover that would have been a nice touch.

for me, i'd prefer a more durable shatter and scratch resistant screen before metal or exotic case materials. i still get the impression that most people use an aftermarket case, so the plastic vs metal angle never was important to me. especially having started off with blackberry back in the day. actually, the external carrier branding of phones is more annoying to me than case materials. the bendable screens that we've heard of sounds like it could be good progress in the screen area.
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Samsung are already "technology partners" with D30 so maybe that's not so far away. Better file that claim for the IP rights quickly, EM.
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Trouble with glass is that no one's figured out how to make a glass suitable for this application that can be stressed in any direction. It doesn't take a great deal of force to shatter a screen, just focused to the susceptible point and it's done.

I'd have higher hopes for a scratch-resistant plastic, but I don't know if anyone is working on that.
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If my judgment on that point was harsh, I apologize.

But it's still flame bait and not funny, and the converse isn't allowed over there either.

No need for a bunch of iPhone ragging when so many Android newcomers are visiting both forums trying to decide.

Android is about choice.

If people have theirs satisfied without a removable battery or sd card slot, then Android still wins. Unless you own a LOT of stock in Samsung, who cares if someone chooses another model?

We've clipped troll wings from both camps, we're equal opportunity on that.
I disagree that his post was flame bait.

Regarding choice, you're 100% correct, but also ironically HTC One is about "lack of choice".

People go on and on to justify lack of battery / SD card, but I don't understand why they so vehemently rage against useful features for other people.

I have never heard someone using a Note 2 or S3 complain "I hate the microSD card feature, I hate the removable battery!" Guess what, if they don't care about SD card or removable battery, they don't have to use it.

The HTC One, unfortunately limits consumer features that are potentially useful for a portion of the market (myself included).

I was on the HTC bandwagon early and often, but lately I find myself hoping HTC will make a phone that I can seriously consider. Unfortunately they keep shooting themselves in the foot by not including some features that are must haves.

Are we a small minority of the market? I don't know, but based on personal experience of friends / family, the vast whom use Samsung devices, I'd say not.
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People go on and on to justify lack of battery / SD card, but I don't understand why they so vehemently rage against useful features for other people.
Or vice versa and we see a lot more of that. It's so I can't read a review or an article anymore without bellyaching comments from both sides.

Your comment goes to the heart of Android being about choice. If the hermetically-sealed One isn't right for you, go with Samsung. Seems pretty fair to me.

(Honestly, I find myself wondering if I'll just hold off and see what the Moto X may be.)
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(Honestly, I find myself wondering if I'll just hold off and see what the Moto X may be.)
And now I regret reading the post as you reminded me of Moto cooking something with Google.
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Make sure your area has 4gLTE in your area first.

I made a mistake switching from alltel to get dial up data speeds, sometimes worse.

Not trying to dissuade you, just to know what to expect
It don't matter I would still get it because I do move around a lot and expect to be moved again later this as I'm planning on enlisting so my current area won't affect my purchase. I'm still sold on the s4 and will be getting it soon.
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Which almost 100% means no sd card slot.
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The one advantage of a non removable battery is that it allows for irregular battery shapes that allow them to keep devices thin. However rather than use this (outside of Motorola with the maxx phones) to have large batteries with a relatively thin phone, they put small batteries in it and make the device really thin. It's kind of frustrating to say the least.
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The one advantage of a non removable battery is that it allows for irregular battery shapes that allow them to keep devices thin. However rather than use this (outside of Motorola with the maxx phones) to have large batteries with a relatively thin phone, they put small batteries in it and make the device really thin. It's kind of frustrating to say the least.
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I think the meaning is the sealed design can afford a more form fitting battery design.
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Which almost 100% means no sd card slot.
Only if we assume Moto X will replace Nexus line, which I doubt it will.

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Google = Nexus.... Android team HATES external storage and have been vocal through the years about it and Google wants some (all really) of the data mining and control of a big piece of cloud storage. Seems a given there will be no sd slot, but the actual device will of course show if correct or not.

Added: In Moto's defense, they wanted things like sd slot and UMS storage, but JB shut UMS out of official support and will be a big surprise if the SD slot survives. Sadly, seems some of the content providers of this blog site support the view as well, based on the One review. Not liking how a few people assume standards upon everyone else. Give folks the choice.

Until wifi is offered everywhere- read: "everywhere" and/or data caps are gone, the cloud is IMO an unfair "burden" on consumers. Give the sd slot so the consumer has the choice. That way, you can use it or not.
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I agree that the cloud isn't even close to an alternative, and TBH even if connectivity and throughput were adequate everywhere (internationally, in the air...) I'd probably have trust issues . But for me the question is more about having sufficient storage and convenience of access for backup and transfer, rather than removability per se.

The way I see it, if the device fails then any data on a removable card are safe, but anything else I need to have backed up. If the card fails, anything on it that I've not backed up is gone. So I need to think about backups either way, whether for internal storage or removable. Removable storage is desirable because it gives flexibility, and I'd much prefer the Android team to standardise support for it rather than remove it. But it's a factor rather than a deal-breaker for me.

Non-expandable and insufficient is a deal breaker though.
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Insufficient, definitely a deal breaker.
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Not to mention cloud content drains a lot more battery. No debating that.
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Not to mention cloud content drains a lot more battery. No debating that.
I actually considered getting the HTC One on a line that's upgradable but it's hard for me to see the cloud as the end-all-be all. Sure I've got unlimited data but we all know cloud + data = costly for those who don't have unlimited data.
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And for those that travel internationally as I do from time to time. On AT & T 300MB in Europe costs $120!
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Love the friendly arguments and talk about what phone wins you over in this thread . I always wanted and favored the Galaxy S series. I for once started to take a second look at the HTC One, but after reading through all 3 pages I've came to the conclusion of getting the S4. I'll be selling my still out of the box condition primary phone for now iPhone 5 for it. I thought I try it out for a year and it's cool, but was missing me some Android. Jailbreaking the iPhone 5 was fun, but Android is just more dynamic for me. Then in another year I'll be able to upgrade so I'll use that for whatever comes out around then..This makes me wish Sprint still kept the yearly upgrades for Gold members.

If anything, I do wish that Samsung would come with a much more premium build and better positioning of the speakers. I never understood why companies put tiny speakers on the back where our hands would most likely cover them. They should be nicely drilled and quality speakers on the bottom like the iPhone 5 or on the front like the HTC One.

Some people will have the S4 in their hands on the 25th and mostly everyone else will have it on the 27th. I believe Magenta will get it to them on the 24. Either way it's not a long wait for anyone unless you're on Big Red. So money hungry they are...smh.
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Love the friendly arguments and talk about what phone wins you over in this thread . I always wanted and favored the Galaxy S series. I for once started to take a second look at the HTC One, but after reading through all 3 pages I've came to the conclusion of getting the S4. I'll be selling my still out of the box condition primary phone for now iPhone 5 for it. I thought I try it out for a year and it's cool, but was missing me some Android. Jailbreaking the iPhone 5 was fun, but Android is just more dynamic for me. Then in another year I'll be able to upgrade so I'll use that for whatever comes out around then..This makes me wish Sprint still kept the yearly upgrades for Gold members.

If anything, I do wish that Samsung would come with a much more premium build and better positioning of the speakers. I never understood why companies put tiny speakers on the back where our hands would most likely cover them. They should be nicely drilled and quality speakers on the bottom like the iPhone 5 or on the front like the HTC One.

Some people will have the S4 in their hands on the 25th and mostly everyone else will have it on the 27th. I believe Magenta will get it to them on the 24. Either way it's not a long wait for anyone unless you're on Big Red. So money hungry they are...smh.
Just where I would head if i was deciding between 2 phones you do know that each individual fourm will have favoritism I will not past judgement until I see and can use both the one and the S4 in hand I have always had good luck with HTC phones
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Everyone has their own requirements and the HTC One doesn't fulfill 2 of mine; replaceable battery and SD card slot. I'm sure it's a great phone, it's certainly beautiful to look at. If it fulfilled all of my requirements, I'd grab one in a heartbeat. As it stands, I'm still waiting for the S4.
This is the only reason I'm not getting an HTC One.
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I only started having second thoughts when I saw prices for the sim-free version.

I am definitely not paying anywhere near 600 Euro for a phone. Will wait and see how much it costs in 1-2-3 months.
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Both are moot for me now. No 32gb option for the S4 and no sd card on the One. S3 with 32gb and sd card it will remain.
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