---save applications to your SD card
---move caches to SD card
---remove unwanted applications
---flash custom ROMs (possibly with HTC Sense or MotoBlur)
---possibility to install a full Linux distro, i.e. Debian
---tether via 3G/WiFi without using 3rd party applications (PDAnet)
---get multi-touch everywhere (and pinch-and-zoom)
---overclock/underclock your processor (but overclocking can be dangerous)
---customize your bootup splash screen
---change your phones theme (colors and look, etc)
(Some of the benefits aren't simply automatic. For example, to save applications to your SD card, you need to "unlock" it by going through a documented process. Having your phone rooted will give you the "permission" on your phone to do this process.)
Dangers of Rooting:
---if the rooting process is done wrong (by YOU), it can 'brick' your phone (i.e. you have a VERY expensive, shiny paperweight)
---if you have flashed a custom ROM, you will no longer able to receive the automatic OTA updates (but the ROM creator should supply you with updates)
---voided warranty
Links:
---Droid Rooting Wiki (A (non-AF-supported) donation fund has been established here with the intention of whoever figures out how to root the Droid first will receive all of the donations)
---AllDroid.org Droid Development (Threads regarding development topics such as attempted exploits for rooting the Droid, Droid system dump, etc.)
Last edited by Phases; November 23rd, 2009 at 08:51 AM.
noo thats the NEW ETF, which didnt kick in until sometime around today actually. Verizon recently changed it from $175 in order to protect themselves from getting ripped off. It starts at $350 and every month goes down $5.
Haha so why does he want $450? The ETF is $350 and it goes down $10 every month not $5. When people were trying to gain root access to the G1 they didn't ask for some crazy amount of cash, sounds like someone is just trying to make a quick buck. Real dev community don't do it for the cash.
__________________ So I'm guessin' there's questions that need addressin' like how he fresh in the adolescence and wreckin em' Rules & Guidelines, Zero Tolerance Policy.
I do have a spare Droid that I bought before the ETF fee went way up. I am planning on returning it, however if we could raise the money to pay the ETF and for the phone (Total expenses at $425: $150 phone cost + $175 ETF + $70 first month service + $35 activation) I could take it apart and reverse engineer the extra connectors to find JTAG and serial. If we find JTAG we can get a dump of the whole NAND, probe the bootstrap pins and change NAND/RAM to let us have root access.
noo thats the NEW ETF, which didnt kick in until sometime around today actually. Verizon recently changed it from $175 in order to protect themselves from getting ripped off. It starts at $350 and every month goes down $5.
Haha so why does he want $450? The ETF is $350 and it goes down $10 every month not $5. When people were trying to gain root access to the G1 they didn't ask for some crazy amount of cash, sounds like someone is just trying to make a quick buck. Real dev community don't do it for the cash.
true....If you wanna do it, just do it..... don't try to scam people...Yes, I said scam.
Ahh well I see he knows what he is talking about. I've never been keen on paying someone to get root but if all else fails then I guess I can throw in $25 or $50.
So....why you googling anything for me? You reply is irreverent to my post...
umm, because you said the ETF was $350 and it was only $175. You could have easily found that out if you searched before you posted, so I was just lending a helping hand to show I wasn't just making it up about the new ETF.
so it was actually completely relevant to your misinformed post.
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true....If you wanna do it, just do it..... don't try to scam people...Yes, I said scam.
ugh, man. if money grew on trees...
anyways...
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They should get in touch with the guys from phonewreck.com, they have dismantled a DROID already so might have some pointers because they said it was pretty tricky finding all the T6's.
Couple of questions on behalf of the non-techies here. First, what's the value of rooting the device? Does it open doors in terms of functionality or customizability or trans-network service? And on top of all that... what does "root" mean?
Thanks, from the bottom of my noob heart.
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Reason: dropped some questions, thanks to google
I didn't know rooting wasn't backed by the Android team. I always thought since it was an open platform... Hm...
It may be backed by the Android team BUT not by Motorola, and it is thier device which they have to offer support for which becomes increasingly difficult when anyone can have super user access.
Couple of questions on behalf of the non-techies here. First, what's the value of rooting the device? Does it open doors in terms of functionality or customizability or trans-network service? And on top of all that... what does "root" mean?
Thanks, from the bottom of my noob heart.
I would give a stab at the answers but I am sure someone on a pedestal will be along soon....
Couple of questions on behalf of the non-techies here. First, what's the value of rooting the device? Does it open doors in terms of functionality or customizability or trans-network service? And on top of all that... what does "root" mean?
Thanks, from the bottom of my noob heart.
"Rooting" is essentially the Android's version of "jailbreaking." Although it's already an open platform, there are certain areas of the phone that is locked to prevent tampering and withhold the "integrity" to the manufacturer's "standards." Rooting the phone allows one to flash the ROM, run a different OS, run a different UI build, run a custom build, unlock features locked away for one reason or another, and/or even install fixes by third party developers instead of waiting for official updates by the manufacturer.
"Rooting" is essentially the Android's version of "jailbreaking." Although it's already an open platform, there are certain areas of the phone that is locked to prevent tampering and withhold the "integrity" to the manufacturer's "standards." Rooting the phone allows one to flash the ROM, run a different OS, run a different UI build, run a custom build, unlock features locked away for one reason or another, and/or even install fixes by third party developers instead of waiting for official updates by the manufacturer.
That's my understanding anyway, I may be wrong.
Well put. I'm just curious as to whether or not rooting the phone voids any type of warranties.
There is no 'god' account on the phone that needs to be cracked, we are trying to get root level access on a phone that is designed to keep all apps at user level access so to speak. The only thing that we might be able to be brute forced in the future is the Motorola private key that is used to sign new patches/roms. Have to wait for the first patch to even get the public key that would need to be cracked.
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"Rooting" is essentially the Android's version of "jailbreaking." Although it's already an open platform, there are certain areas of the phone that is locked to prevent tampering and withhold the "integrity" to the manufacturer's "standards." Rooting the phone allows one to flash the ROM, run a different OS, run a different UI build, run a custom build, unlock features locked away for one reason or another, and/or even install fixes by third party developers instead of waiting for official updates by the manufacturer.
That's my understanding anyway, I may be wrong.
I'm not sure what other OS you could run, besides something based on Linux like Debian.
hacking secured information like passwords and personal info
hijacking other people's phone service
overdriving the hardware, making potentially dangerous devices
making it worthwhile to steal droids (high black market value)
etc
It sure would be nice to see some of these smart people use their time and energy on more worthwhile pursuits.
HAHA, FUD is so much fun isn't it
People have been 'cooking' roms for winmo phone for 8+ years and none of the above have ever happened... My old 6700 ran better cooked that it ever did with it has verizon's stock image on it.
Now Iphone morons that jailbreak and leave default password on the root account with ssh enabled, Thats a different story...
Last edited by bcromwell; November 17th, 2009 at 09:29 PM.
hacking secured information like passwords and personal info
hijacking other people's phone service
overdriving the hardware, making potentially dangerous devices
making it worthwhile to steal droids (high black market value)
etc
It sure would be nice to see some of these smart people use their time and energy on more worthwhile pursuits.
Um, be quiet?
a) No one creates viruses ON the droid, and doing so wouldn't require root access. rooting your phone just means you're susceptible to getting viruses since you have the ability to use su to make deeper changes.
b) Every hack tool one could use is already ON the droid if you have a terminal app and a USB cable.
c) I find it implausible that someone would be able to point at a droid and say "oooo! lookz! A DROID! I'm going to steal it and sell it on the BLACK MARKET" when you can go get one at frickin' verizon.
If you don't want to root it, don't root it. Let us do what we wanna do.
People have been 'cooking' roms for winmo phone for 8+ years and none of the above have ever happened... My old 6700 ran better cooked that it ever did with it has verizon's stock image on it.
Now Iphone morons that jailbreak and leave default password on the root account with ssh enabled, Thats a different story...
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Um, be quiet?
a) No one creates viruses ON the droid, and doing so wouldn't require root access. rooting your phone just means you're susceptible to getting viruses since you have the ability to use su to make deeper changes.
b) Every hack tool one could use is already ON the droid if you have a terminal app and a USB cable.
c) I find it implausible that someone would be able to point at a droid and say "oooo! lookz! A DROID! I'm going to steal it and sell it on the BLACK MARKET" when you can go get one at frickin' verizon.
If you don't want to root it, don't root it. Let us do what we wanna do.
Well some of the posts above are ignorant to the OS and gaining root.
If gaining root, is truly gaining the pwd for the "root" user or whatever it's called, it will happen.
Let's just be thankful that we don't have ssh enabled for a rick roll, like on iphone.
Again, I'm still investigating a lot, and I've been around linux systems since the 80's, and do this isht for a living, as in compiling kernels/programs.
IDE is more java based, but a native level c program with all the bells and whistles is what we need more than rooting
Well some of the posts above are ignorant to the OS and gaining root.
If gaining root, is truly gaining the pwd for the "root" user or whatever it's called, it will happen.
Let's just be thankful that we don't have ssh enabled for a rick roll, like on iphone.
Again, I'm still investigating a lot, and I've been around linux systems since the 80's, and do this isht for a living, as in compiling kernels/programs.
IDE is more java based, but a native level c program with all the bells and whistles is what we need more than rooting
Would the root password on one phone be the same across all Droid phones?
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Would the root password on one phone be the same across all Droid phones?
Probably not or it would be in the public now
Maybe it's the tools to get shell access?
Again, I'm an android newbie, and have only poked around the file system a bit so far. I'm a linux/bsd/solaris user/compiler for probably too many years, 20+ come to mind now, lol. No, I'm not that old, lol.
I'm hoping to take a crack at it one of these days, but free time is my limiting factor right now.
I'd definitely be on board here if there was a bunch of Verizon junkware that I wanted to get rid of. But this thing's pretty unencumbered, for the most part.
I'd definitely be on board here if there was a bunch of Verizon junkware that I wanted to get rid of. But this thing's pretty unencumbered, for the most part.
Well some people are convinced Google and/or Motorola won't be able to get their act together to fix the momentary stuttering of the side swipes in the Home screen and other stuff, so they want to be able to use the Sense UI instead or a third-party tweaked version of Android 2.0.
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I'd definitely be on board here if there was a bunch of Verizon junkware that I wanted to get rid of. But this thing's pretty unencumbered, for the most part.
Just FYI for people that haven't come across it. I'd post the link but feeling lazy at the moment.
There are some people speculating that rooting, however great it is, could potentially brick your phone by having "silent updates" (camera anyone??) installed. If Verizon can secretly update our firmware without us knowing, I don't have a doubt that they will try to update the phone to make it unrootable. If, then, your phone is rooted and a patch it sent to all phones, that could create a big mess.
Now if devs can create a way to stop the silent updates, then I'm in! And I have no doubt that they can, in fact, create this feature. It's all a matter of time.
I should also note once again that these are all speculations. Nothing certain.
Well some people are convinced Google and/or Motorola won't be able to get their act together to fix the momentary stuttering of the side swipes in the Home screen and other stuff, so they want to be able to use the Sense UI instead or a third-party tweaked version of Android 2.0.
I never noticed that the side swipe stutters until you mentioned it. Thanks.
We're talking about the not-completely-smooth transition on the homescreen, right? I get the same thing in apps, though it's usually less or more pronounced.
Just FYI for people that haven't come across it. I'd post the link but feeling lazy at the moment.
There are some people speculating that rooting, however great it is, could potentially brick your phone by having "silent updates" (camera anyone??) installed. If Verizon can secretly update our firmware without us knowing, I don't have a doubt that they will try to update the phone to make it unrootable. If, then, your phone is rooted and a patch it sent to all phones, that could create a big mess.
Now if devs can create a way to stop the silent updates, then I'm in! And I have no doubt that they can, in fact, create this feature. It's all a matter of time.
I should also note once again that these are all speculations. Nothing certain.
Most roots... uh... "hacks" have always disabled silent updates just in case of such a possibility. Once you "hack" any of your electronic devices there will always be a chance for bricking which is why whether the device is a Nintendo Wii, an iPhone, or an Android device, automatic updates get disabled in the process--or if not automatically disabled, most guides will recommend disabling automatic updates for this very reason.
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I never noticed that the side swipe stutters until you mentioned it. Thanks.
We're talking about the not-completely-smooth transition on the homescreen, right? I get the same thing in apps, though it's usually less or more pronounced.
Yep, that's what everyone is talking about. I hope it doesn't start to bother you. My bad, I thought everyone could tell right off the bat.
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There are some people speculating that rooting, however great it is, could potentially brick your phone by having "silent updates" (camera anyone??) installed. If Verizon can secretly update our firmware without us knowing, I don't have a doubt that they will try to update the phone to make it unrootable. If, then, your phone is rooted and a patch it sent to all phones, that could create a big mess.
just to clear it up, there was no 'silent update' for the camera- it was a bug in the camera's timestamp. (and, for security reasons, i dont think we'll ever get 'silent' updates!) but im confident precautions will be taken regardless.
supposedly donations are more than 1/3 of the way there... in less than 12 hours! making progress.
Last edited by ajm144k; November 18th, 2009 at 01:02 AM.
Unless you guys are in an incredible hurry and/or have already run out of space, why not wait for google to add this feature themselves? They did say this is something they are working on adding...
Unless you guys are in an incredible hurry and/or have already run out of space, why not wait for google to add this feature themselves? They did say this is something they are working on adding...
adding... what??
and what feature are you referring to- rooting the droid?
Yes. I assume by rooting, you mean the ability to save and run apps off the memory cards...google already said they were working on a way to add the feature natively.
Last edited by hanano17; November 18th, 2009 at 01:56 AM.
Yes. I assume by rooting, you mean the ability to save and run apps off the memory cards...google already said they were working on a way to add the feature natively.
umm, where? link?
not being rude but i dont think this (being rooting a device natively) is even slightly possible... for many many reasons.
(oh, and by rooting you gain more than simply the potential to utilize apps2sd!)
Last edited by ajm144k; November 18th, 2009 at 01:59 AM.
Yes. I assume by rooting, you mean the ability to save and run apps off the memory cards...google already said they were working on a way to add the feature natively.
Basically when you "root" your phone (a Linux term) you... get access to the entire phone. Think of it like the Administrator account on Windows, but one step higher which allows you to modify the entire thing.
Installing apps to SD cards is just one of the features that can be enabled by rooting your phone. It lets anyone or any team do what Motorola and Google can do, release fixes, enable/disable features, flash hardware, etc.
But yes, Google is getting a team together to work on the whole installing apps to SD cards and they have a list of "must do" tasks before releasing it out to the public whereas third-party developers may just release it "as is."
Basically when you "root" your phone (a Linux term) you... get access to the entire phone. Think of it like the Administrator account on Windows, but one step higher which allows you to modify the entire thing.
Installing apps to SD cards is just one of the features that can be enabled by rooting your phone. It lets anyone or any team do what Motorola and Google can do, release fixes, enable/disable features, flash hardware, etc.
But yes, Google is getting a team together to work on the whole installing apps to SD cards and they have a list of "must do" tasks before releasing it out to the public whereas third-party developers may just release it "as is."
Gotcha. Still new to android, everytime I read a review or article people mentioned the RAM/ROM limit as not being an issue because you could root the phone and put apps on the SD cards. Then I saw the article that said google was working on adding that to the OS. Thought that meant they were adding 'rooting' as a whole, thanks for the enlightenment.
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