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Old February 26th, 2010, 03:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I just installed the new version of AdFree from the market and they finally got rid of the annoying bug that made it a pain to update (for those that don't know it blocks most ads in rooted android phones). Just a heads up to my fellow adventurers in Rootland...

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Does it block or hide the ads? If it hides, I'm all for it. But if it blocks them, then the developers who give their stuff away for free... won't.
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it kinda does both. i think its how the ad is made. on pandora its hidden. on handcent it looks blocked, guess its hard to tell. pandora its gone, not there, hidden. handcent it leaves a white space.

after writing this post, what i said was the same thing. i bet you mean blocked as in... well what do you mean?
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it blocks it using a hosts file, which means when any app (including the browser) requests a particular URL, it looks in the hosts file before looking on the internet.

The hosts file that this app uses has a list of common ad servers and reroutes them to the ip address 0.0.0.0, which makes the system immediately give up on loading any data from the URL and thus it immediately gives up on loading the ad.

This certainly isn't a good thing for free app developers, though since it only works for rooted users it's not the end of the world for now. And there actually is a certain level of decency in the Android community. Heck, that's why I made my app free or $1 if you wish to donate.

It certainly does make browsing sites that have no mobile version a lot nicer though.
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I installed AdFree after a couple of developers snuck in ads in an update. Now I just pay the 99 cents to support the good developers.
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Old February 27th, 2010, 12:11 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I installed AdFree after a couple of developers snuck in ads in an update. Now I just pay the 99 cents to support the good developers.

As a beginning developer, I'm curious, what constitutes "sneaking" in ads?

^Honest question from a dev who is considering adding ads to his free app.

Is it just a matter of saying when a version will have ads? Or is it something more?
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sneaking - starting out an app without advertising and ten putting out an update in which advertising has been incorporated.

And, most notably, not saying it in huge 36pt font that you have added advertising, b/c some people just don't read a lot an after the first line of a changelog they skip it all and install.
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Well they dont let us change the font on the market listing hehe -- but as long as it's up there on the first line, it's kosher?
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Not really - too many people think they are entitled to your hard work without ever giving you a dime.

So, advertising for some folks will never be kosher.

But, on the flip side, advertising has been linked to drive by infections of people's machines, so there is a real and legitimate beef with advertising. So, for those users who are worried about security, there is support for that as well.
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I hear ya, I was just asking for your personal opinion (and anyone else's on AF). Say I was to add some advertising in an update that also added more features, but Idisclosed in the market description that ads were coming in the update, and I also had a paid version sans-ads for $1-2, how would you feel about that?
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Wouldn't bother me a bit. At least not until I found out that 1) AdMob had been poisioned, and 2) Hackers could take control of all rooted phones in 1.34 milliseconds...

Then I'd be worried. Now, I'll just buy your app....
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I hear ya, I was just asking for your personal opinion (and anyone else's on AF). Say I was to add some advertising in an update that also added more features, but Idisclosed in the market description that ads were coming in the update, and I also had a paid version sans-ads for $1-2, how would you feel about that?
That is the type of disclosure that makes me respect the developer. Too many times there is an update of a program that previously had no ads with no mention of the ad changes. I feel like I have been had. I also appreciate the choice of paying for an ad free version (I have paid for many a "donate version" which has no differences from the free version just to support the developer).

Some adware is fine, doesn't effect the usability of the program and is not distracting. Other adware is intrusive, limits usage, and makes me look elsewhere. No problem if I have never used the program before. But when I have been using an adfree program for a while, spent time adding data and have grown dependent on it, and all of a sudden a "new and improved" update comes out with half the screen hawking "wholesale Viagra," I am angered that I didn't get a heads up before upgrading.
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In my two cases, sneaking involved:
1. Updating an app to include ads, but not including that in the changelog.
2. Updating an app only for the purpose of adding ads and not even having a change log.
It also is irritating when the only option is free with ads.
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I hate the ads too but most of the apps are less than a bottle of pop, if you like the app buy it so they can continue developing.
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I refuse to use any application that has ads in it. If it is released as free then it should be FREE. If you want money then make it a donate / paid application. I don't mind paying a small amount for a good app. I think donate is the better route. There are times that an app is $1 and I feel that it would be worth more to me. There are also many times an app is like $10+ and I don't feel it's worth that price compared to others that do the same thing.
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I hear ya, I was just asking for your personal opinion (and anyone else's on AF). Say I was to add some advertising in an update that also added more features, but Idisclosed in the market description that ads were coming in the update, and I also had a paid version sans-ads for $1-2, how would you feel about that?

This is great idea for the free dev's to follow.

I don't mind adware, IF I know in advance it's adware. Especially if there is a donate or paid version so I have an option. I love options.

I haven't updated Handcent yet b/c mine is still ad free, and I have no way to keep it ad free. On the other hand, I have been updating aCar, but keep forgetting to donate to make it adfree. But I know I can, so it's not a big deal.
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I refuse to use any application that has ads in it. If it is released as free then it should be FREE. If you want money then make it a donate / paid application. I don't mind paying a small amount for a good app. I think donate is the better route. There are times that an app is $1 and I feel that it would be worth more to me. There are also many times an app is like $10+ and I don't feel it's worth that price compared to others that do the same thing.
Too many people don't donate and still use your application. Even if you manage to get hosting, a forum, and everything else for free somewhere, you've still spent time developing said app, and wanting a little return on your investment is not a bad thing.

At the same time, though, you're entitled to your opinion. I just think that advertising is sometimes the better way to go for a guaranteed income stream as opposed to trying to ask for donations (which can be like pulling teeth sometimes).

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This is great idea for the free dev's to follow.

I don't mind adware, IF I know in advance it's adware. Especially if there is a donate or paid version so I have an option. I love options.

I haven't updated Handcent yet b/c mine is still ad free, and I have no way to keep it ad free. On the other hand, I have been updating aCar, but keep forgetting to donate to make it adfree. But I know I can, so it's not a big deal.
That, to me, is the key as well. If the app does everything I want it to do, then great, I'll use it with ads until I can afford to buy it.

@everyone saying "these programs are less than $X - so you should be able to afford it": Yeah, but when was the last time that you saw that I could pop in 3 Quarters into a Google account and pay for something?

You have to realize, the economy is in a major crunch, and thanks to the US Congress giving the credit card companies loopholes and an extension until February before locking rates, those companies have have been raising Interest rates left and right - to the tune of 50-100% increases.

I have an Amex card that was running at a cool 13.99 just over a year ago - now they are charging me 29.99% on any balance unpaid, and 26.99% on paid balances. And this goes on Average daily balances, and no grace period is extended whatsoever if there is already an existing balance.

Now, being a college student, and working for the university through a Title II Grant, I get paid monthly - right at the end of the month. My bill, however, is due 10 days before that. Naturally, when I pay my tuition and books (One semester I paid over $1000 in books alone) I naturally have a balance left over for a month or two until I can get it all caught up with my paychecks. Now, on tuition that is close to $3000 per semester, and books varying between $500 - $1000 per semester, it's easy to see where I have a balance carrying over of well over $1500.

So, you telling me that most apps are less than a bottle of soda doesn't mean Jack, bub. I don't drink soda, but even if I could, I would at least be able to grab some of the change in my ashtray in my car and use it right on the spot - not having to worry about how long the charge I make for an app is gonna sit on my card, accruing interest, and keeping my interest rate on all my other purchases higher b/c it is a balance carrying over.

So, if you have the money, great - but making it seem like it is beans to everyone to buy an app is ludicrous at best. You have no idea what people's financial status is, so please don't say apps should be ad-free and devs should charge if they want money. Advertising is a better overall alternative for devs who really want / need the money than asking for donation - unless they happen to make that one killer app that everyone wants and is paying for.

Finally, @alostpacket - your app is already good, I'll be buying it in a week or so - I was gonna ask if you had included HTML output and what not but now that I have it installed, wow - that makes blogging about new apps that I try simply easy. And yes, as long as you let me know when you use advertising, I'll have no issues whatsoever if you decide to use them.
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Thanks much for the feedback guys, I appreciate it. I actually probably wont be adding ads for another update or two for my app.

As of now, the next update in a day or two will allow people to share contacts and then the next few after that will allow sharing of music and images. And finally, somewhere in there I am going to enable bluetooth support.

I figure I may add ads in the bluetooth update, that way people have all the basic functionality but if they want blue tooth they need to pay or add ads, but based on the reactions in this thread I will be sure to make it clear when the update comes that ads will be included.
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Thanks much for the feedback guys, I appreciate it. I actually probably wont be adding ads for another update or two for my app.

As of now, the next update in a day or two will allow people to share contacts and then the next few after that will allow sharing of music and images. And finally, somewhere in there I am going to enable bluetooth support.

I figure I may add ads in the bluetooth update, that way people have all the basic functionality but if they want blue tooth they need to pay or add ads, but based on the reactions in this thread I will be sure to make it clear when the update comes that ads will be included.
The key is to do what you feel is right, and forsake all else. You'll never please everybody, and bending over backwards trying will just leave you screwed.

Whether its ads, paid apps, donate options, or whatever, do what you feel is right. Nobody is forcing you to write the apps you write, and nobody is forcing everyone else to use them. To let people command and dictate how you are compensated for the time and effort you put into development is definitely not the way to go.

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handcent added ads, sneaky jerks.
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I don't get the whole surprise with developers adding ads to generate revenue for stuff they give out free. This is the whole backbone of Google, everything they do is yet another way to deliver ads to you. If it works for them, why wouldn't developers jump on the train as well.. android was developed all around this concept.

As for paying for an app.. no thanks. I'm no developer, but even I know how the mobile app market has provided developers with a virtual cash cow. Do a little work, put up an app for a buck.. make a few thousand. If it was a PC, you could find many of these simple apps free. But the whole phone market allows them to cash in on the simplest things simply because it adds minor functionality to a phone. Hell most of the people do nothing more than convert a pc app designed by someone else, then charge you $5 for it. Take all the game emulators for example... always been free on the PC (for the most part).. then someone takes that coding, modifies it a bit for the cell market and makes a killing.

You might think a buck here or there doesn't matter much.. but all these micro transactions bring in big bucks for very little work. It's just like Xbox live and their DLC scam. Stuff that is so minor it should be included, they charge you out the rear for it.
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If it's so minor, then surely you could write all those apps in less time than it'd take you to earn the $2 it costs? :')
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The key is to do what you feel is right, and forsake all else. You'll never please everybody, and bending over backwards trying will just leave you screwed.

Whether its ads, paid apps, donate options, or whatever, do what you feel is right. Nobody is forcing you to write the apps you write, and nobody is forcing everyone else to use them. To let people command and dictate how you are compensated for the time and effort you put into development is definitely not the way to go.

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Hehe it's so true. I had one guy give me 1 star on the FREE version because the app didnt work on his Eris, so I went and tested it on a friends Eris only to find it working perfectly. The dude killed my perfect 5 star rating lol.
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Interestingly enough, searching the market for adfree yeilds no results for "AdFree Android"

Anyone know what gives?
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Hehe it's so true. I had one guy give me 1 star on the FREE version because the app didnt work on his Eris, so I went and tested it on a friends Eris only to find it working perfectly. The dude killed my perfect 5 star rating lol.
Yea I wish there was a stupid button to report reviews from people who should not be using a smart phone. My favorite was the reviews for the Camera FX add ons... It says right in the description that you need the Camera FX PAID app for it to run, yet half of the reviews are one star because they didn't know you had to buy an app to use it and they were cheated... lol

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Astro just added ads in the new update "to keep it free", FWIW.
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