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Old June 13th, 2010, 03:59 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I really don't know anything about tech stuff, but don't we have to defrag computers b/c of this?
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Defragging isn't about removing bits and bytes left behind ... think of it more as bringing order back to a harddrive after many files have been deleted from it. It's a reorganization of files. It optimizes the access time for your files because related files are lumped together. And, available space is lumped together so large files don't have to be broken up into pieces. Make sense?

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Defragging isn't about removing bits and bytes left behind ... think of it more as bringing order back to a harddrive after many files have been deleted from it. It's a reorganization of files. It optimizes the access time for your files because related files are lumped together. And, available space is lumped together so large files don't have to be broken up into pieces. Make sense?
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I've only wiped ONCE total. And that was only when I was coming from JRummy's Remix v0.8 and going to Pete's BB Froyo. I found out the hard way by not wiping the first time I tried to install it. My phone was a mess. So, I just went back and wiped and reinstalled...everything worked great after that.
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This is why I still wipe three times - not OCD:
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I strongly suggest wiping - IN ALL CASES. As a matter of fact, WIPE THREE TIMES.
Directly from the developer.
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So I am not sure why developers, (more of them used to say "wipe three times" in the past), if there is no benefit.
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Directly from the developer.
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So I am not sure why developers, (more of them used to say "wipe three times" in the past), if there is no benefit.
^I must say I agree with you.^

For everyone else I know the logic behind wiping and it should only need to be done once. So please explain why when I wipe just once some ROM's won't boot up but then I change NOTHING but go into recovery and wipe several times and then re-flash the SAME zip file and it loads fine?
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So please explain why when I wipe just once some ROM's won't boot up but then I change NOTHING but go into recovery and wipe several times and then re-flash the SAME zip file and it loads fine?
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oh oh oh it's magic (The song just popped in my head....I watch Happy Gilmore way to much)
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No lie! I was an electronics technician in the "old" Navy for 20 years and I can't count the number of times things fixed themselves or doing the same thing caused different results. We called it PFM: Pure F'ing Magic. Electronics is NOT an exact science!
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No lie! I was an electronics technician in the "old" Navy for 20 years and I can't count the number of times things fixed themselves or doing the same thing caused different results. We called it PFM: Pure F'ing Magic. Electronics is NOT an exact science!
Former Sonar Tech here on subs. Always hit the 'I believe' button and explain to the junior officers that sonar works via PFM.
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Of course, explaining ANYTHING to junior officers is a challenge unto itself, let alone PFM...
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oh oh oh it's magic (The song just popped in my head....I watch Happy Gilmore way to much)

Ooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh Nooooooooooooooooooooooo...it's stuck in my head now. Damn you man, damn you!!!
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"Magic" by Pilot, if you song-poisoned folks want to download it and sing along
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Are we still talking about your DROID?
I have wiped so many times my droid is sore and has a rash....
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Of course, explaining ANYTHING to junior officers is a challenge unto itself, let alone PFM...
Why are we hating on the junior officers? It's not like you can explain anything to senior officers either!

SatCom in the USAF here and I agree....FM means more than Frequency Modulation
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oh oh oh it's magic (The song just popped in my head....I watch Happy Gilmore way to much)
I really hate you now. Stuck. I am so mad I want to give you a thumbs down.
Luckily Tom Petty is driving it out.


And I don't think you want Magic Johnson loading or flashing anything near your zip file.
I need a real reason that multiple wipes may work better at times.
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I've always thought that a great topic/thread doesn't need "stickied". This thread PROVES it!

Way to stay on topic guys!



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No lie! I was an electronics technician in the "old" Navy for 20 years and I can't count the number of times things fixed themselves or doing the same thing caused different results. We called it PFM: Pure F'ing Magic. Electronics is NOT an exact science!
<-----DSC (SW/AW) and a firm believer in PFM. :-)

I still only wipe once though.
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I find that ROM's don't load correctly the first time unless I make the sign of the cross in holy water on the backside of my Droid.

Before I started doing that I had boot loops. Once I started doing my special holy water preparation they have always loaded on the first try.

There you go. Pure scientific reason based upon real life experience.


(disclaimer: I have only ever loaded one ROM....wiped once...used no holy water, nor sign of cross, no boot-loop)
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Just keep it away from the unholy moisture indicator and I guess that'll work
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Just keep it away from the unholy moisture indicator and I guess that'll work


I daresay!

In defense of the multi-wipers (hah!) if all those ones and zeros totally ignore our multi wipes wouldn't it also stand to reason that flashing something once would also work? I flashed Clockwork a number of times before it "stuck" and by that I mean I would flash Clockwork, then boot in to recovery and see Clockwork there, then reboot the phone...then just to be suspicious boot into recovery again and Clockwork would be gone.
Seems rather like vacuuming/sweeping/rolling down a hill analogy a bit eh?

But in defense of us single-wipers I will say that in nearly every field of human endeavor coincidence can rise to an almost religious level. For instance try crossing your fingers when you do certain tasks and you might see that your first two times crossing your fingers resulted in success. Thereafter you always cross your fingers and it usually works and voila! a new rule is born.

As a couple of poster opined above, I wouldn't be surprise if the Dev's who initially pushed the multi-wipe were trying to make the point "We are not kidding about this! We want you to wipe cache and memory! Seriously!!"

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Why are we hating on the junior officers? It's not like you can explain anything to senior officers either!

SatCom in the USAF here and I agree....FM means more than Frequency Modulation
Airborne sonar tech in the Navy here. Try explaining to some shit hot pilot (at least he/she thinks they are shit hot) that OFF does not stand for On Full Force.

I remember fixing this same piece of gear because of pilot error (and poor engineering). It was a hover hold alarm for H3's (tells you how long ago I was in - they were just phasing in the 60s when I left) and they were NOT ever supposed to engage it below 20 meters off the deck. They ALWAYS forgot to shut it off so it would always blow Q3 when it got below 20 meters. Even though the alarm is blaring in their head they still leave it turned on. It got to the point where I would keep a supply of that transistor in my drawer since I could count on at least once a week going down to supply for that part.

To the OP. It really is magic sometimes. I've seen everything from kicking to outrageous rituals when troubleshooting or repairing. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. I say, if it makes you feel comfortable and gives you warm fuzzies, and doesn't cause damage, why not do it right? I mean, it is the person doing the wipe's time to waste if they feel like it. I personally wipe every time I flash a new ROM, but I only wipe once. I was playing around so much this weekend I was expecting to get a call from Verizon asking why I activated my phone 50 times in one day .
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I daresay!

In defense of the multi-wipers (hah!) if all those ones and zeros totally ignore our multi wipes wouldn't it also stand to reason that flashing something once would also work? I flashed Clockwork a number of times before it "stuck" and by that I mean I would flash Clockwork, then boot in to recovery and see Clockwork there, then reboot the phone...then just to be suspicious boot into recovery again and Clockwork would be gone.
Seems rather like vacuuming/sweeping/rolling down a hill analogy a bit eh?

But in defense of us single-wipers I will say that in nearly every field of human endeavor coincidence can rise to an almost religious level. For instance try crossing your fingers when you do certain tasks and you might see that your first two times crossing your fingers resulted in success. Thereafter you always cross your fingers and it usually works and voila! a new rule is born.

As a couple of poster opined above, I wouldn't be surprise if the Dev's who initially pushed the multi-wipe were trying to make the point "We are not kidding about this! We want you to wipe cache and memory! Seriously!!"

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Hah!

So you blast rather than wipe? Awesome.

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