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Old November 7th, 2009, 12:24 AM   #51 (permalink)
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What the dif between the Handbrake GUI & CLI?

Which do I need?

I run 64bit Vista.

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May be too little too late but maybe it'll help someone..

Plug phone into computer with USB cable. Pull down notification bar and tell it to mount.

Should open on your comp like a normal USB device.

Then you can make whatever folders you want in the DCIM folder (I Think?) Wherever you see the camera folder just make whatever you want along side it. I made a music, video, contact list, friends and family.

Copy paste your videos into the video folder you made (I've only tried .mp4). Unplug.

Go into you "Gallery" folder in your menu, should see what you created and be able to play whatever from there.
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Using Handbrake?
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May be too little too late but maybe it'll help someone..

Plug phone into computer with USB cable. Pull down notification bar and tell it to mount.

Should open on your comp like a normal USB device.

Then you can make whatever folders you want in the DCIM folder (I Think?) Wherever you see the camera folder just make whatever you want along side it. I made a music, video, contact list, friends and family.

Copy paste your videos into the video folder you made (I've only tried .mp4). Unplug.

Go into you "Gallery" folder in your menu, should see what you created and be able to play whatever from there.

Yep, thats how it works for me.



Blazingwolf: Its working fine now. Not sure but I believe that my "simple" reseting everything was all I needed for it to work. Great!
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May be too little too late but maybe it'll help someone..

Plug phone into computer with USB cable. Pull down notification bar and tell it to mount.

Should open on your comp like a normal USB device.

Then you can make whatever folders you want in the DCIM folder (I Think?) Wherever you see the camera folder just make whatever you want along side it. I made a music, video, contact list, friends and family.

Copy paste your videos into the video folder you made (I've only tried .mp4). Unplug.

Go into you "Gallery" folder in your menu, should see what you created and be able to play whatever from there.
I put my music folder in the root of the SD card and it worked. I'll give that a shot for the video folder though thanks.
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Blazingwolf: Its working fine now. Not sure but I believe that my "simple" reseting everything was all I needed for it to work. Great!
Great. Glad it is working for you now.
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I guess I'll post settings I've tried that didn't work. My video is a 5min preview from a dvd rip and I'm using handbrake to encode it.

First attempt:
h.264 1000kbps bit rate @ 720x480
Ogg audio @ 160kbps
MP4 Container

Result = Sound but no video

Second attempt:
h.264 500kbps bit rate @ 720x480
AAC audio @ 160kbps
MP4 Container

Result = Sound but no video


Third attempt:
Mpeg-4 FFmpeg 500kbps bit rate @ 720x480
AAC audio @ 160kbps
MP4 Container

Result = Video and Sound

Fourth attempt:
Mpeg-4 XViD 500kbps bit rate @ 720x480
AAC audio @ 160kbps
MP4 Container

Result = Sound but no video

Fifth attempt:
Mpeg-4 FFmpeg 1000kbps bit rate @ 854x480
AAC audio @ 160kbps
MP4 Container

Result = Video and Sound
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Quick question: Is the Droid's screen HD?
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Quick question: Is the Droid's screen HD?
Technically, it's lower than an HD resolution, but on a screen that small you don't need an HD resolution to look great.
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Technically, it's lower than an HD resolution, but on a screen that small you don't need an HD resolution to look great.
Good point

Is it really crisp though? What can you compare it too if you can?
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From my post above, it seems that the mpeg4 ffmpeg codec inside of Handbrake is the one that works. It will support the full resolution of the droid @ 1000kbps and probably higher.
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My results from this AM.

h.264 2457kbps @ 848X480
AAC @ 128kbps
MP4 container


The 2457kbps is set by Handbrake and as reported by Act1. For settings I have just used the iPhone setting and then changed the screen size. Looks and sounds really good on my phone.
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Blazingwolf...interesting. Cause none of my video formatted with the h.264 at 720 x 480 works.
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lol you guys had problems with video and I am having problems with audio. I'm trying a bunch of different things but if anyone has any tips I'd love to hear them

I should add that I just discovered the audio doesnt work right out of handbrake.


ok problem solved, was something wrong with the original file. Thanks alot guys for mentioning handbrake, works like a charm and isnt trial version crap! <3

One more thing to add: setting the size to 848x480 fits the new Droid screen perfectly
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My results from this AM.

h.264 2457kbps @ 848X480
AAC @ 128kbps
MP4 container


The 2457kbps is set by Handbrake and as reported by Act1. For settings I have just used the iPhone setting and then changed the screen size. Looks and sounds really good on my phone.
I did:

h.264 1500kbps @ 848X480
AAC @ 128kbps
MP4 container
-Audio, no video in both droid video player, and Act1 Trial

FFMPEG 1500kbps @ 720x480
AAC @ 128kbps
MP4 container
-Audio and Video in both droid and Act1 Trial

Seems H.264 isn't working on the droid. All tests in the native droid video player, AND Act1 Trial play audio, no video.
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Also would like to add, Act1 has a horrible hitch in the video after resuming from the pause state.

And 848 x 480 makes all the videos looked squished. So...if you're coming from tv, or DVD source, you're better off using 720 x 480.
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Also would like to add, Act1 has a horrible hitch in the video after resuming from the pause state.

And 848 x 480 makes all the videos looked squished. So...if you're coming from tv, or DVD source, you're better off using 720 x 480.
Drop the 848 px dimension and leave the horizontal field blank. Then Handbrake will calculate the proper horizontal dimension for any video you use, based on its aspect ratio. If it's a widescreen movie, it'll be around 848. If it's a TV show, it'll be 720. Now you don't have to think about it and constantly change things based on the source videos, Handbrake takes care of all the calculations. The videos will always be as large as possible for the Droid(480px tall) and in their proper aspect ratio.
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Drop the 848 px dimension and leave the horizontal field blank. Then Handbrake will calculate the proper horizontal dimension for any video you use, based on its aspect ratio. If it's a widescreen movie, it'll be around 848. If it's a TV show, it'll be 720. Now you don't have to think about it and constantly change things based on the source videos, Handbrake takes care of all the calculations. The videos will always be as large as possible for the Droid(480px tall) and in their proper aspect ratio.
That's what I'm doing now, after the 848 debacle.

I still don't understand how people are getting h.264 videos to play on the phone. It is supposed to be native, it says it on the box. But those files will NOT play on my phone.
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That's what I'm doing now, after the 848 debacle.

I still don't understand how people are getting h.264 videos to play on the phone. It is supposed to be native, it says it on the box. But those files will NOT play on my phone.

Not sure what you are doing wrong but my settings are working well on converting AVI files to MP4. It is full screen and looks good.
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Drop the 848 px dimension and leave the horizontal field blank. Then Handbrake will calculate the proper horizontal dimension for any video you use, based on its aspect ratio. If it's a widescreen movie, it'll be around 848. If it's a TV show, it'll be 720. Now you don't have to think about it and constantly change things based on the source videos, Handbrake takes care of all the calculations. The videos will always be as large as possible for the Droid(480px tall) and in their proper aspect ratio.
When I did that I was not getting full screen video which is what I have been after.
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EVERY video handbrake touches comes out with skipping audio on the droid and my computer (Win 7 x64). I've tried several files with AAC, MP3, AC3, and Vorbis and all have skipping audio. The video is nice though.
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Alright, I finally got the videos converting correctly for the Droid. Sometimes the audio is a bit off though. At first I thought it was due to the conversion process, but when I tried playing the same video a few minutes later, everything was synced up fine.

Does anyone know how to get titles to show up on the videos as well? Right now my "movies" folder is showing all the thumbnails, but I have no way of knowing which video it is since they're all pretty similar. I've gone through all the settings in the gallery app, but I haven't seen anything applying to titles at all.
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(Dummied down for noobs like myself)

Step #1

Mac- If you're on Snow Leopard you can use Quicktime X with (iphone) setting for free, but you won't be able to customize setting to get max res for droid screen. Other programs are available to download, free or paid, that will give you more customization options. I use Quicktime 7 Pro, see screenshot.

Windows- They're converter's all over this forum.

Step #2

Encode your favorite video using the following settings...

Video


Audio


*Note: I found that occasionally it lagged a fews frames and then went back to normal. It could be the bitrate is too high...

Step #3
Copy the file to your SD card. I don't believe it matters where, the OS will scan to card when you disconnect.

Step #4

Go to Android Market and download Video Player by Jeff Hamilton, it's really a front end for the built in media player.

Step #5

Open Video Player and select your movie, sit back and enjoy!
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This may be a really stupid and useless observation, but could it be that the tools you use on your computer are not yet compatible with Windows 7 or conversely that the apps in Marketplace are not yet Android 2.0 ready?

Also, are any of you aware of Moto's free software for desktop syncing? People with Windows 7 64 have reported that it won't work, but if you don't have that OS, you could try it. It does say it has an optimization feature for video playback:

Motorola Media Link - Motorola USA
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When I did that I was not getting full screen video which is what I have been after.
I'm not sure I understand. If it's a standard definition TV show in 4:3 aspect ratio, you shouldn't want a full screen on the widescreen format Droid, because that means it will stretch and distort your picture.

Or are you saying it doesn't even fill the screen height wise with 480 pixels? I have no Droid yet, so I've not been able to test videos on the device.
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There is a pretty good app called Meridian that is free and I got videos converted and playing awesomely!!! I used a program called Total video Converter and converted music videos to mpeg4 H.264 with custom screen size set at 854*480 with aspect ratio set to 16:9. Videos look flawless and work well with the app mentioned above. Also as stated in an earlier post all you do is just connect the phone to your pc and bring your notification tab down,select USB connected and select MOUNT and then just create a folder labeled Videos (same for Music) and your all set!!
Hopefully this works for you all!

Also as i just read above I'am using Windows 7 x64 bit. Everything works flawlessly with no lag during video playback!
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Hi, read through the thread, and I'm still wondering, have we found definitive Handbrake settings that work?

I think I read that 848 width will work. Is that using iPod Legacy and just changing the width?

I am converting some 720/1080p .MKV files, if that makes a difference.

Anyways, I've started a conversion already. Luckily, my quad core finishes these pretty quickly

I'll report back soon with results.


UPDATE:

Using iPod legacy settings, just up the width to 848. Looks FANTASTIC. Almost as if no quality was even compromised (from 1280x720).
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(Dummied down for noobs like myself)

Step #1

Mac- If you're on Snow Leopard you can use Quicktime X with (iphone) setting for free, but you won't be able to customize setting to get max res for droid screen. Other programs are available to download, free or paid, that will give you more customization options. I use Quicktime 7 Pro, see screenshot.

Windows- They're converter's all over this forum.
if you're on tiger (10.4.11) try "mpeg streamclip" (free) which worked fine for me.

btw this post deserves it's own thread as a sticky.
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Hi, read through the thread, and I'm still wondering, have we found definitive Handbrake settings that work?

I think I read that 848 width will work. Is that using iPod Legacy and just changing the width?

I am converting some 720/1080p .MKV files, if that makes a difference.

Anyways, I've started a conversion already. Luckily, my quad core finishes these pretty quickly

I'll report back soon with results.


UPDATE:

Using iPod legacy settings, just up the width to 848. Looks FANTASTIC. Almost as if no quality was even compromised (from 1280x720).
I'm using Handbrake and cannot change the width! How are you guys doing that? I am using a dvd and letting Handbrake do it all, but it will not let me change the width in picture settings!

Thanks for all the info!

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if you're on tiger (10.4.11) try "mpeg streamclip" (free) which worked fine for me.

btw this post deserves it's own thread as a sticky.
Agreed. Sticky going up now.
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I was able to get it to work using:
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I converted my BeyondTV DVR file (*.tp) to
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I made a filed that was 640x360 and a bit rate = 1500000
I am able to play it fine with the free video player by Jeff Hamilton on the Android Market. Just dragged and dropped the file using the USB connection on my PC to a directory I named /video on my SD card.
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I'm not sure I understand. If it's a standard definition TV show in 4:3 aspect ratio, you shouldn't want a full screen on the widescreen format Droid, because that means it will stretch and distort your picture.

Or are you saying it doesn't even fill the screen height wise with 480 pixels? I have no Droid yet, so I've not been able to test videos on the device.
That might be the difference. I'm using widescreen (16:9) based videos. So I want to be able to use the full screen. If you are converting a 4:3 then my settings might not work well for you.
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This may be a really stupid and useless observation, but could it be that the tools you use on your computer are not yet compatible with Windows 7 or conversely that the apps in Marketplace are not yet Android 2.0 ready?

Handbrake works just fine on Windows 7 64 bit.
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EVERY video handbrake touches comes out with skipping audio on the droid and my computer (Win 7 x64). I've tried several files with AAC, MP3, AC3, and Vorbis and all have skipping audio. The video is nice though.
No issues for me on the same OS.
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I'm still experimenting but the update to doubleTwist yesterday which added Droid support, is automatically converting my videos to mp4 when it syncs them! I tested one which was an AVI and it dumped it to the Droid as an mp4 and plays perfectly. No settings to tweak, no other software to use. Just plain simple as it should be! It also created the directory for it on the card.

Now, whoever labled the photo AND media player "Gallery" on the Droid should be fired!!! I had to look back at the droidguide.pdf that was floating around to find where to play the videos from. That guide should have been with the phone.
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so I have a bunch of training podcasts downloaded on iTunes. I'm on a mac. Can I just drag those over to a video folder? Will the droid see them?

I don't have my droid yet my ne2 is on monday so I'm getting it then.
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soooooooooo all this talk about CONVERTING video to h.264 to play properly.......

But when I want to take a video file with me, it's kinda a last minute thing, I don't really have time to "convert" the file, that's a HUGE drawback IMO. What are the chances that someday there will actually be a supported DivX/XviD CODEC for the phone?
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That might be the difference. I'm using widescreen (16:9) based videos. So I want to be able to use the full screen. If you are converting a 4:3 then my settings might not work well for you.
Even so, a video that's 480 tall will be as large as possible for the Droid screen. If you're trying to force every video to be full screen, you might be distorting the picture. Or it's possible that when forcing full screen you're chopping off part of the picture vertically, to force it to fit in 848-854 pixels..which isn't optimal either. Only in the extreme cases would the video be wider than 480px would allow and you would instead choose to fill the horizontal. These are the proper dimensions for various source files:

DVD 4:3(they're easy)
720x480=720x480

TV at 720p or 1080i/p
1280x720=853x480
1920x1080=853x480

Film Aspect Ratios

16:9=853x480
1.85:1=853x461
2.35:1=853x363
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Even so, a video that's 480 tall will be as large as possible for the Droid screen. If you're trying to force every video to be full screen, you might be distorting the picture. Or it's possible that when forcing full screen you're chopping off part of the picture vertically, to force it to fit in 848-854 pixels..which isn't optimal either. Only in the extreme cases would the video be wider than 480px would allow and you would instead choose to fill the horizontal. These are the proper dimensions for various source files:

DVD 4:3(they're easy)
720x480=720x480

TV at 720p or 1080i/p
1280x720=853x480
1920x1080=853x480

Film Aspect Ratios

16:9=853x480
1.85:1=853x461
2.35:1=853x363
Why are you caught up on the 480? My height is 480 and width is 848 so where would I have an issue?
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Why are you caught up on the 480? My height is 480 and width is 848 so where would I have an issue?
Maybe it's just quibbling and I'm being really anal about it, I just thought it was wrong to simply always 'want the video to fill the screen' as opposed to making it as large as possible for the Droid(which would be 480px tall in 85% of the time) while maintaining the proper aspect ratio, which is what leaving the horizontal dimension blank does. If all your ever going to be doing is standard 16:9 movies, yeah, that's great and those dimensions work fine.
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Maybe it's just quibbling and I'm being really anal about it, I just thought it was wrong to simply always 'want the video to fill the screen' as opposed to making it as large as possible for the Droid(which would be 480px tall in 85% of the time) while maintaining the proper aspect ratio, which is what leaving the horizontal dimension blank does. If all your ever going to be doing is standard 16:9 movies, yeah, that's great and those dimensions work fine.

Right, I could see where on a 4:3 ratio that would have some issues and I should have mentioned that my sources where 16:9. That is why I mentioned it in another post.

So far the videos I have done have no distortion and no clipping of the frames so I'm pretty happy with it.
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soooooooooo all this talk about CONVERTING video to h.264 to play properly.......

But when I want to take a video file with me, it's kinda a last minute thing, I don't really have time to "convert" the file, that's a HUGE drawback IMO. What are the chances that someday there will actually be a supported DivX/XviD CODEC for the phone?
Only the phone software makers could answer that one, I'm not sure myself. I don't have many xvid or divx videos, just a few. Most of mine are H264.
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Update: I successfully took a full length divx movie which was in AVI format, added it to "Movies" in doubleTwist, told it to sync the movies and it auto converted it to the mp4 format which the Droid then picked up in the "Gallery". Video playback was full screen and perfectly smooth with great quality. I don't know why anyone would want to go through the trouble of setting up a conversion program when this simplistic option is available...

Next test is the dvr-ms files that my Windows Media Center generates. DoubleTwist sees them so I'm wondering if it will convert those as well. Results in my next post.
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Anyone care to give us an all-in-one tutorial of how to do the video conversion, with proper resolution size and all that? I've just gone through two pages of technical conversations and a definitive wrap-up would really help.

As for me, I'm trying CloneDVD Mobile to see if any of its settings will work. I'll post the results in a bit.
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Update: I successfully took a full length divx movie which was in AVI format, added it to "Movies" in doubleTwist, told it to sync the movies and it auto converted it to the mp4 format which the Droid then picked up in the "Gallery". Video playback was full screen and perfectly smooth with great quality. I don't know why anyone would want to go through the trouble of setting up a conversion program when this simplistic option is available...

Next test is the dvr-ms files that my Windows Media Center generates. DoubleTwist sees them so I'm wondering if it will convert those as well. Results in my next post.

How long does it take to convert?? Thanks
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To be honest I didn't pay much attention but it didn't seem all that long. I will time another one and see. I do have a quad core machine though.

I did have trouble with doubleTwist until the update yesterday. Now it seems fairly stable and syncs playlists for music, the videos it converts to the Droid are seen by the "Gallery" and native Apple podcasts sync as well.
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To be honest I didn't pay much attention but it didn't seem all that long. I will time another one and see. I do have a quad core machine though.
Okay, let me know thanks. Also what is the file size u are converting??
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I'll have to check what resolution I did for when I used to have an iphone, but I noticed that when I copied over my music folder that I left a movie in there..... worked like a charm!
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