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Old July 1st, 2010, 08:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default **Official** Droid X encrypted bootloader and efuse thread

I've updated this OP to make it easier for new comers to find some of the most important posts as well as a few important outside links that inform this thread. It is my personal feeling that if you are reading these forums, and considering buying ANY Android phone, this thread is a very important one to read. It is far better to be informed than to realize after you buy a product that it wasn't what you expected (I almost made this mistake).

The main purpose of this thread is to discuss what a signed (encrypted) boot loader is, what the implications of having a signed boot loader are, whether or not the Droid X may have one, why you may care, what you may be able to do about it if you do care, etc, etc.

This thread is filled with a lot of long posts (including this one), so prepare yourself for that. Not all of them have tons of merit (mine included) so keep that in mind.

Below are some of the most informative posts you'll find in this thread. That said, I highly suggest further reading: there are many great ones that I haven't linked to here.


EDIT (7/8/10): This thread was just opened and indicates that our fears may be correct and the boot loader is signed. Looks like Droid X may be rooted but has encrypted bootloader...


EDIT (7/10/10): This is a highly technical post (at least in my mind) in which a user describes methods he thinks may work to get around an encrypted boot loader. If you really know your stuff too, please take a look at it and consider posting your thoughts on his suggestions.
http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid-x/113171-encrypted-bootloader-flashing-roms-abandon-all-hope-5.html#post1108982


EDIT (7/13/10): Turns out the DX may have even stiffer security measures than we originally thought. For more details see the two links below (the second one is extremely scary stuff):
> The DroidX: Security and Discovery Steven Bird
> How the Droid X is locked down? Let me tell you what I know.
(Links found in a thread over at XDA dev forums)


EDIT (7/15/10): the 4 links in this update are embedded in the text
> the good --> Steven Bird has turned his tone to optimistic: he is tweeting, blogging on his webpage and posting in a DroidXForms thread.
> the [really] bad --> p3droid, a well know hacker/developer and Aixelsyd, a well known leaker of reliable Droid X and Droid 2 info @ Howard Forums have some devastating posts in a different thread at DroidXForums. (WARNING: This will ruin the buzz you got going off the good news BIG TIME)


1) Good posts illustrating what it means to have root access and what it means to have access to the boot loader:
> http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid-x/113171-encrypted-bootloader-flashing-roms-abandon-all-hope.html#post1052477
> http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid-x/113171-encrypted-bootloader-flashing-roms-abandon-all-hope-3.html#post1082054


2) There is a difference between locking and encrypting (signing) the bootloader: it's encrypting that people are worried about.
> Will the Bootloader be Locked or Unlocked? - Page 3 - xda-developers


3) If the boot loader is encrypted, there is an almost nonexistent chance that it will be cracked. (2nd link is methods that would be used to try to crack it)
> Played with the X this afternoon...
> http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid-x/113171-encrypted-bootloader-flashing-roms-abandon-all-hope-5.html#post1108199


4) Why it’s likely that the boot loader will be signed (IMPORTANT: We now have indication from a seemingly credible source that the boot loader is encrypted as we expected. See the second link below.):
> http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid-x/113171-encrypted-bootloader-flashing-roms-abandon-all-hope-2.html#post1062519
> Looks like Droid X may be rooted but has encrypted bootloader...


5) How to check if the boot loader is encrypted (maybe):
> http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid-x/113171-encrypted-bootloader-flashing-roms-abandon-all-hope-4.html#post1084788


6) How many users actually care about installing custom ROMs?
> http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid-x/113171-encrypted-bootloader-flashing-roms-abandon-all-hope-4.html#post1091260


7) Why people may want custom ROMs:
> http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid-x/113171-encrypted-bootloader-flashing-roms-abandon-all-hope-4.html#post1085742
> Looks like Droid X may be rooted but has encrypted bootloader...


8) Things to consider BEFORE posting: the future impact of this discussion:
> http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid-x/113171-encrypted-bootloader-flashing-roms-abandon-all-hope-2.html#post1062338


9) Is it important to be vocal about this issue: two important ‘perspective’ posts?
> http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid-x/113171-encrypted-bootloader-flashing-roms-abandon-all-hope-4.html#post1086423
> http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid-x/113171-encrypted-bootloader-flashing-roms-abandon-all-hope-4.html#post1091300


10) How you can help voice your opinion (and hopefully have some impact):
> http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid-x/113171-encrypted-bootloader-flashing-roms-abandon-all-hope-2.html#post1063229


11) Can the Milestone actually have custom ROMs installed without cracking the signed boot loader?
> http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid-x/113171-encrypted-bootloader-flashing-roms-abandon-all-hope-2.html#post1067392
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http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid-x/113171-encrypted-bootloader-flashing-roms-abandon-all-hope-3.html#post1068654
> http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid-x/113171-encrypted-bootloader-flashing-roms-abandon-all-hope-3.html#post1077548


12) What it may mean even if the Milestone’s (or DX’s) boot loader can be bypassed:
> http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid-x/113171-encrypted-bootloader-flashing-roms-abandon-all-hope-3.html#post1070249


If you have taken time to read all of this, I hope it has helped inform you a little more. I will try to update the OP now and then if necessary.

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first...what would be the benefits of rooting this other than adding sense, using wifi tether (usb tether is already available with pdanet) and apps to SD?
sense...yeah i would like that. wifi teether...it would be nice..apps to SD, we have plenty storage. root isnt all what its cracked up to be in my opinion. o yeah, also we will get the feeling of being in total control, with root.
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So yeah, that would be the main reason why you would go for a Samsung Fascinate over Droid X. The Galaxy S/Fascinate is already rooted and custom roms have been flashed to it. Motorola has made the statement that they will be locking down the bootloader so no custom roms can be flashed. So you buy the Droid X with the understanding that the hacker community may never be able to crack the bootloader. So you have to ask yourself is the Droid X still worth it? Personally, most of the things I want in a phone just require a root to install different kinds of software. I'm pretty sure that a root will be possible, but more than that I am not hopefully. Overall though I think the build quality of the droid x pushes it past the galaxy s/fascinte fo rme.
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first...what would be the benefits of rooting this other than adding sense, using wifi tether (usb tether is already available with pdanet) and apps to SD?
sense...yeah i would like that. wifi teether...it would be nice..apps to SD, we have plenty storage. root isnt all what its cracked up to be in my opinion. o yeah, also we will get the feeling of being in total control, with root.
Yeah, those features you listed would be nice, but I'm more concerned with the ability of the hackers to fix little problems that Verizon/Motorola may have overlooked. It is my impression that a lot of the roms not only focus on adding extra functionality, but also work to really optimize the existing features and performance as well. It's also about being able to get the latest greatest firmware before the the carrier and manufacturer say you can have it. Those are just some of the things that really are exciting to me when I think about root and roms.

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So yeah, that would be the main reason why you would go for a Samsung Fascinate over Droid X. The Galaxy S/Fascinate is already rooted and custom roms have been flashed to it. Motorola has made the statement that they will be locking down the bootloader so no custom roms can be flashed. So you buy the Droid X with the understanding that the hacker community may never be able to crack the bootloader. So you have to ask yourself is the Droid X still worth it? Personally, most of the things I want in a phone just require a root to install different kinds of software. I'm pretty sure that a root will be possible, but more than that I am not hopefully. Overall though I think the build quality of the droid x pushes it past the galaxy s/fascinte fo rme.
You make some excellent points about the fascinate: I have thought about all that myself. Unfortunately, I don't know much about the build quality, but tbh I'm not getting my hopes up. I know the screen is 4" vs 4.3", so the size difference isn't THAT big of a difference, but it still boosts the Droid X in my mind. I hate the idea that I'd have to bargain with myself to get the Vibrant over the DX. I guess I'll just start praying for a non-encrypted bootloader on the DX.
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There are a few pretty important aspects of root that you missed...
*Overclocking - With the little bit of lag that I've seen in some of the videos, it would be really nice to bump the X up to 1.1 or 1.2ghz.
*Removing bloatware - I know I don't want pretty much any of the VZW bloatware apps like visual VM, CityID & even the Blockbuster app($4.99 for 1 movie??), having the ability to remove these would be a huge plus.

Having said all that, I'm still going to be getting the X on release day & praying that the amazing Devs we have will be able to crack this phone.
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Who would see rooting as not worth it??

Obviously, this phone being fully rootable is very desireable as you can do so much with custom roms and menu items, and all the other stuff mentioned in here and other threads. It would be very disappointing IMO if it wasn't rootable and/or we weren't able to flash custom roms.
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I've also pre-ordered my Droid X hoping that the devs will be able to crack it. If it can't be cracked, well, I might have to take it back and wait for the Fascinate. Custom roms are a /huge/ deal to me as I believe in the open-ness (and hackability!) of Android.
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the X out the box (from what i`ve read) is perfect. not that i wouldnt want root...just because...but it isnt that important. it use to be the case, on phones that were inferior. to "improve" them. but the X has the fastest processor so far so why overclock and risk burning out your phone?
the only BIG benefit, is removing some bloatware and adding sense.
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Let me try to make some basic comparisons using Windows OS as an example....

Rooting is simply getting access to the device's system as a "Super User" or SU. Think of it like an Administrator vs regular user on Windows. There are a lot of rudimentary things in Windows that you can only do as an Admin. Getting root access on a phone does allow you to add, modify, and delete things that a regular user cannot do. This will probably allow you to modify the theme to some extent, over clock the processor, add "unauthorized" programs, etc, etc, etc.

Having unrestricted access to the bootloader allows a user to load completely new ROMs. It would be like a Windows XP user installing a new OS like a super customized verson of XP, or upgrading to Windows7, or moving to Linux, or any other OS, etc, etc, etc.

The (suspected) problem with the Droid X bootloader is that it will only accept digitally signed ROMs from Motorola. So if Moto releases Froyo (which they have already annouced), then you can upgrade to that without problems (like going from XP to Windows7). What you cannot do is use the bootloader to install any other ROM that hasn't been officially released from Moto for the Droid X.

Is it something to worry about? I guess that depends on what you planned to do with your phone. If you are a "stock" phone kind of person, then you have nothing to worry about. Even if you wanted the ability to root and play around with some changes, you probably have nothing to worry about. But if you are a hard core "tweaker" that loves to push the envelop, or if you are worried about Moto dropping support for the Droid X (it will happen one day) and you want the ability to use customized ROMs, then this probably isn't the phone for you.

Hopefully this helps explain a little better the situation we face with the Droid X (at least as we know it today).
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Thanks sic0048. That does make me feel better.
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the X out the box (from what i`ve read) is perfect. not that i wouldnt want root...just because...but it isnt that important. it use to be the case, on phones that were inferior. to "improve" them. but the X has the fastest processor so far so why overclock and risk burning out your phone?
the only BIG benefit, is removing some bloatware and adding sense.
Wow that sounds similar to the arguments that I've heard from people drinking the Apple kool-aid. While rooting may not be for everybody, it's nice to have the option to root. It's similar to many of the arguments between iOS vs Android. One of Android's major selling points is the openness of the platform. We are starting to see some manufacturers lock down the phones which goes against what was originally advertised when Android was launched. If you're satisfied with everything in the stock phone, well, good for you... but what about people who want to over-clock or really love this phone but want sense? Wouldn't you rather have the option to install those features, even if 90% of the population does not deem them a necessity?
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I've also pre-ordered my Droid X hoping that the devs will be able to crack it. If it can't be cracked, well, I might have to take it back and wait for the Fascinate. Custom roms are a /huge/ deal to me as I believe in the open-ness (and hackability!) of Android.
Then cancel your preorder. A digitally signed bootloader might be cracked in time, but it won't be soon, and it could very easily be NEVER.

If a custom ROM is a "huge deal" to you, then you don't want the X, it's that simple. There are plenty of other good Android phones in the pipeline.
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I have a question for all.
When you say flashing roms does that mean custom roms only.
I don't care for them and would just like to get the newest vanilla android on my phone.
So when you flash the new OS that is not out for the device yet, does that still count as flashing a ROM? and would encrypted bootloader prevent that as well?
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If the Sammy had the 16gb built-in like the Tmo version (theirs does not have a flash), I would get the Sammy. Seems a better compromise for display size and a better AMOLED than the already great one on the Inc

I like the Inc's 8gb (well, 6.6 for media and 748mb for apps), so the extra .3" and slightly faster cpu is not enough trade-off to lose the 8gb. 2Gb on Sammy just for apps? Silly, if not.
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first...what would be the benefits of rooting this other than adding sense, using wifi tether (usb tether is already available with pdanet) and apps to SD?
sense...yeah i would like that. wifi teether...it would be nice..apps to SD, we have plenty storage. root isnt all what its cracked up to be in my opinion. o yeah, also we will get the feeling of being in total control, with root.
2.2 is supposed to allow apps to be stored on sd card so dont really need root for that
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Son of a @#$%! Why does every VZW Android have to have some major downfall?! They can't let us have it all can they.... this is really quite annoying. By encrypting the bootloader, they're basically removing what a lot of users love about Android. Someone call Google and tell them to take Android away from Motorola until they start playing nice again.

That comment about Apple scares me b/c it's true. Motorola and Verizon have decided to modify Google's "open" OS to "open*".


* Your phone's version of Android is no longer truly open, we reserve the right to restrict the rom you are running as we see fit. We think you'll appreciate bloatware we've included: however, if you don't want to use any of it, please consider leaving it on one of your screens though... that would be mad cool of you man. Also, don't worry about that guy with the older phone that is running the newer version of Android with all those nice tweaks... we'll probably get you our copy at some point. I mean at the very least we'll keep announcing an update and then delaying it to keep you guessing... that helps, right?
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Son of a @#$%! Why does every VZW Android have to have some major downfall?! They can't let us have it all can they.... this is really quite annoying. By encrypting the bootloader, they're basically removing what a lot of users love about Android. Someone call Google and tell them to take Android away from Motorola until they start playing nice again.

That comment about Apple scares me b/c it's true. Motorola has apparently decided to modify Google's "open" OS to "open*".... not good
AT&T has done the same thing with the HTC Aria by locking out unsigned apps. I wonder if this was Motorola's choice or Verizon's.
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Then cancel your preorder. A digitally signed bootloader might be cracked in time, but it won't be soon, and it could very easily be NEVER.

If a custom ROM is a "huge deal" to you, then you don't want the X, it's that simple. There are plenty of other good Android phones in the pipeline.
Yeah, but I've been stuck with a dumbphone for ages, and the Droid X has a 4.3" screen, which is the perfect size for me. Also, the only keeping me from getting the Fascinate is Samsung's post-launch support and the phone's awful looks, i.e. iPhone 3G-esque.
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Yeah, but I've been stuck with a dumbphone for ages, and the Droid X has a 4.3" screen, which is the perfect size for me. Also, the only keeping me from getting the Fascinate is Samsung's post-launch support and the phone's awful looks, i.e. iPhone 3G-esque.
That's the whole point though... the Fascinate can have custom roms put on it. There will be big name roms out for it in no time if the Galaxy S has already been rooted! The only question is, how is the build quality and how does the hardware rate up. Also, a side by side view of this and the DX would be helpful...

Back on topic... WTF VERIZON / MOTO?!?!?!
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Root doesn't matter to me at all, so I am good with this but...if the devs could root the HTC Droid Eris with all of its issues they had to go through, then I am confident they can do this, too.
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AT&T has done the same thing with the HTC Aria by locking out unsigned apps. I wonder if this was Motorola's choice or Verizon's.
No, what at&t does it prevent you from side loading applications. Motorola will never prevent you from doing that. While you can't load custom ROMs, you CAN side-load applications which simply takes you having the .apk, dropping it on ur microSD card or emailing it to yourself and installing it. What AT&T is doing is worse, trust me.
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Root doesn't matter to me at all, so I am good with this but...if the devs could root the HTC Droid Eris with all of its issues they had to go through, then I am confident they can do this, too.
Was the Eris's bootloader encrypted like the Milestone's?
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No, what at&t does it prevent you from side loading applications. Motorola will never prevent you from doing that. While you can't load custom ROMs, you CAN side-load applications which simply takes you having the .apk, dropping it on ur microSD card or emailing it to yourself and installing it. What AT&T is doing is worse, trust me.
I know that AT&T's issue is completely different, but my point was that Android phones are starting to have features stripped/locked, regardless of how significant the feature is.
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I hope they can fully root this thing with custom rom loading and all. No can really know for sure yet, so you never know.

Do any of these devs that usually get the job done have the phone to work on yet?
What forums do they hang out at? I don't think Android Police has a forum...
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Maybe someone can answer these questions quickly without having to dig through the Milestone and Eris forums:

1) Is the Eris bootloader encrypted?

2) Are people still working relentlessly on getting bootloader access/flashing roms to the Milestone or have people just given up?

3) Is there any other possible way to flash custom roms if the bootloader is encrypted?
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Maybe someone can answer these questions quickly without having to dig through the Milestone and Eris forums:

1) Is the Eris bootloader encrypted?
No. You can root the Eris, but there isn't a huge modding community built around it either, like there is around the Droid 1 or the Galaxy.

In general, rootability has been one of the nicer things about HTC phones (the Incredible has already been rooted too).

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I don't know, but as newer phones come out, the hackers that have fun playing with these things will move on to the latest, greatest hardware. And after months of baning their heads against the wall, I bet most of them are having a lot more fun writing software for the rooted phones (for instance, Unrevoked has been teasing some stuff about what they're doing for the Incredible).

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Sure, if you or someone else infiltrates Motorola headquarters and steals the bootloader's RSA key Mission Impossible-style.
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Was the Eris's bootloader encrypted like the Milestone's?
No idea. I didn't keep totally up with the rooting process, but I know that they had some serious issues with getting it rooted. At one point I think they thought it wasn't even possible...and actually, I *think* the only reason they did get it was because HTC let something slip or gave them something....i don't know for sure...
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with root you can put sense on a phone that otherwise wouldnt have it??

the X not having sense is the 1 thing thats keeping me from freaking out about it... im still wondering if i should hold out for a DInc..... sense is just so sexy IMO.
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FAUguy from HoFo regarding the Droid X he's been reviewing for PhoneArena:

"I installed my copy of Documents to Go that is an APK."

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Not really sure if that means anything, though...I'm new to android.
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What forums do they hang out at? I don't think Android Police has a forum...
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I have a question for all.
When you say flashing roms does that mean custom roms only.
I don't care for them and would just like to get the newest vanilla android on my phone.
So when you flash the new OS that is not out for the device yet, does that still count as flashing a ROM? and would encrypted bootloader prevent that as well?
Yes, a bootloader that only allows digitally signed ROMs would prevent you from loading the newest vanilla android. The ONLY thing you could install are digitally signed ROMs from Motorola. This means that Motorola would have complete control over what OS version you can put on your phone.

At this point, the Droid X is being released with a Motorola customized version of Android 2.1 (customized being the whole motoblur stuff). They have announced they will release Froyo 2.2 in late August. Rest assured it will also be a customized version that Motorola will release.

After that, you have no guarantees that there will be any further releases or updates from Motorola. I'm not trying to say there won't be, but look at Samsung and all the mad users because Samsung is notoriously slow to update (if they do at all).
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Custom ROMs is what I want. This makes me sad. I guess I might just buy a Droid and forget about the X. Gotta get something soon though, my wife needs a new phone (and is eligible for the upgrade) - was going to get a phone, then trade her for my Eris
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Yes, a bootloader that only allows digitally signed ROMs would prevent you from loading the newest vanilla android. The ONLY thing you could install are digitally signed ROMs from Motorola. This means that Motorola would have complete control over what OS version you can put on your phone.

At this point, the Droid X is being released with a Motorola customized version of Android 2.1 (customized being the whole motoblur stuff). They have announced they will release Froyo 2.2 in late August. Rest assured it will also be a customized version that Motorola will release.

After that, you have no guarantees that there will be any further releases or updates from Motorola. I'm not trying to say there won't be, but look at Samsung and all the mad users because Samsung is notoriously slow to update (if they do at all).
Motorola is good for standing behind their phones for updates i mean look at the droid and the cliq xt just 2 examples they are still pushing updates for them so i highly doubt motorola is just going to completely abandon one of its top tier phones. They want people to continue to buy their products and this would be a good way to lose customers if they do that so i wouldnt say they will do that
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Custom ROMs is what I want. This makes me sad. I guess I might just buy a Droid and forget about the X. Gotta get something soon though, my wife needs a new phone (and is eligible for the upgrade) - was going to get a phone, then trade her for my Eris
The Incredible has now been rooted. That would be a good choice, if you can stand the horrible battery life.
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I don't understand why this goes on and on. It seems simple. If you want things enabled with possible root access maybe the X is still for you. If you want custom ROMs you probably don't want the X (I say probably because it is only 99% that it is locked for sure at this point). Why does everyone have to complain over and over about it? Just move on and get another phone if you for sure want custom flash ROMs to be installed.

If you want a whopper you don't go to McDonalds and insist they change their policy to serve BK hamburgers, you just go to BK.

That being said, I'm still getting the X
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now im pissed. i love the droid x but no custom roms and an encrypted bootloader? f*ck you motorola. if someone manages to get it fully rooted(bootloader and all) i will get this phone. ill stick with my pimped droid 1 till then.
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I don't understand why this goes on and on. It seems simple. If you want things enabled with possible root access maybe the X is still for you. If you want custom ROMs you probably don't want the X (I say probably because it is only 99% that it is locked for sure at this point). Why does everyone have to complain over and over about it? Just move on and get another phone if you for sure want custom flash ROMs to be installed.

If you want a whopper you don't go to McDonalds and insist they change their policy to serve BK hamburgers, you just go to BK.

That being said, I'm still getting the X
I think there are a couple of reasons you're seeing people get upset about this.

1) A lot of people probably didn't know that the bootloader was going to be encrypted.

2) A lot of people who DID know about #1, probably just thought it would take longer to root, not that it wouldn't happen at all; I haven't seen anyone make a very big deal out of it until now (I'm was in this category).

3) Some people have been holding out or hoping for a VZW Android phone with extremely fast performance, a really big screen, great durability, great sound quality, a good camera, good volume and bluetooth voice dialing. The DX is the first phone that fits the bill for all of that. (Argue as much as you want and defend your phone as much as you like: if you're honest with yourself, you'll see that what I'm saying is true). When people get their hopes really high and then are disappointed, they tend to get very upset (especially in this case... I mean I think everyone just assumes that Android is completely 'open').

4) I think we're all hoping that a hacker/developer who knows a lot more than we do is going to stop by and say "hey guys, even if it is encrypted, we will get it eventually by [insert something smart here]". Something like that at least.

5) Making a big fuss about some BULLSH!T like this is likely to catch Verizon/Motorola's attention. They need to know people are upset about this.

6) The Fascinate is coming out relatively soon after the DX. I have a feeling that a number of people may wait for that phone, knowing that the Galaxy S has already gained root, and apparently doesn't have a locked bootloader. The Fascinate is just a variation of the Galaxy S, so it's probably relatively easy to root as well. I may be one of the people waiting....
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I don't understand why this goes on and on. It seems simple. If you want things enabled with possible root access maybe the X is still for you. If you want custom ROMs you probably don't want the X (I say probably because it is only 99% that it is locked for sure at this point). Why does everyone have to complain over and over about it? Just move on and get another phone if you for sure want custom flash ROMs to be installed.

If you want a whopper you don't go to McDonalds and insist they change their policy to serve BK hamburgers, you just go to BK.

That being said, I'm still getting the X
More like going to McDonalds in search of a Big Mac with no middle bun and extra special sauce, and then finding out that while they made it for you LAST time, they will no longer do it. And you can't do it yourself because they won't give you any extra sauce on the side.
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I think there are a couple of reasons you're seeing people get upset about this.

1) A lot of people probably didn't know that the bootloader was going to be encrypted.

2) A lot of people who DID know about #1, probably just thought it would take longer to root, not that it wouldn't happen at all; I haven't seen anyone make a very big deal out of it until now (I'm was in this category).

3) Some people have been holding out or hoping for a VZW Android phone with extremely fast performance, a really big screen, great durability, great sound quality, a good camera, good volume and bluetooth voice dialing. The DX is the first phone that fits the bill for all of that. (Argue as much as you want and defend your phone as much as you like: if you're honest with yourself, you'll see that what I'm saying is true). When people get their hopes really high and then are disappointed, they tend to get very upset (especially in this case... I mean I think everyone just assumes that Android is completely 'open').

4) I think we're all hoping that a hacker/developer who knows a lot more than we do is going to stop by and say "hey guys, even if it is encrypted, we will get it eventually by [insert something smart here]". Something like that at least.

5) Making a big fuss about some BULLSH!T like this is likely to catch Verizon/Motorola's attention. They need to know people are upset about this.

6) The Fascinate is coming out relatively soon after the DX. I have a feeling that a number of people may wait for that phone, knowing that the Galaxy S has already gained root, and apparently doesn't have a locked bootloader. The Fascinate is just a variation of the Galaxy S, so it's probably relatively easy to root as well. I may be one of the people waiting....
Verizon will not care how much fuss you make. They make money whether you buy a Droid x or opted for the fascinate because it can be flashed and rooted. It makes no difference to them. Motorola might. But let's be honest, those that are upset about this likely constitute a very small portion of the people that will buy this phone. It may constitute a big percentage of those that are on this site, but most droid x buyers won't care. I care a little, but not nearly enough to get the butt ugly fascinate over this.
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Verizon will not care how much fuss you make. They make money whether you buy a Droid x or opted for the fascinate because it can be flashed and rooted. It makes no difference to them. Motorola might. But let's be honest, those that are upset about this likely constitute a very small portion of the people that will buy this phone. It may constitute a big percentage of those that are on this site, but most droid x buyers won't care. I care a little, but not nearly enough to get the butt ugly fascinate over this.
exactly. verizon will not give 2 shits. also, the rooted community, while it is not small, is only a small portion of people who will buy this phone. I knew someone who had a droid that didn't even know how to work the camera
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Verizon will not care how much fuss you make. They make money whether you buy a Droid x or opted for the fascinate because it can be flashed and rooted. It makes no difference to them. Motorola might. But let's be honest, those that are upset about this likely constitute a very small portion of the people that will buy this phone. It may constitute a big percentage of those that are on this site, but most droid x buyers won't care. I care a little, but not nearly enough to get the butt ugly fascinate over this.
This is my point exactly, they are powerhouses. I guarantee that they don't care one bit. Of the relatively small number of people that complain here even fewer will complain to vzw or moto and I'm willing to bet those people will just get the brush off.

And can we please differentiate between root and loading custom ROMs, isn't it different?
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5) Making a big fuss about some BULLSH!T like this is likely to catch Verizon/Motorola's attention. They need to know people are upset about this.

6) The Fascinate is coming out relatively soon after the DX. I have a feeling that a number of people may wait for that phone, knowing that the Galaxy S has already gained root, and apparently doesn't have a locked bootloader. The Fascinate is just a variation of the Galaxy S, so it's probably relatively easy to root as well. I may be one of the people waiting....

5- LETS EFFIN DO IT!!!!!

6- its ugly, but theres a case for that....
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Verizon will not care how much fuss you make. They make money whether you buy a Droid x or opted for the fascinate because it can be flashed and rooted. It makes no difference to them. Motorola might. But let's be honest, those that are upset about this likely constitute a very small portion of the people that will buy this phone. It may constitute a big percentage of those that are on this site, but most droid x buyers won't care. I care a little, but not nearly enough to get the butt ugly fascinate over this.
Agree I also am not that worried about root im sure there is some guy out there who will most likely eventually crack it but to me it doesnt matter> all i really care about is 2.2 and to me the phone will be even more perfect then it already is. I would never get a samsung their phones always feel so cheap and they are notorious for leaving their customers and phones out to dry when it comes to updates.
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This is my point exactly, they are powerhouses. I guarantee that they don't care one bit. Of the relatively small number of people that complain here even fewer will complain to vzw or moto and I'm willing to bet those people will just get the brush off.

And can we please differentiate between root and loading custom ROMs, isn't it different?
I suppose hoping that Motorola and Verizon would give a crap is just wishful thinking. They actually seemed to with the Droid and then realize "OMG, we actually listened to what people wanted! Let's not to that again!"

You are correct about the difference between rooting and loading custom ROMs. We will be able to achieve root regardless of whether or not the bootloader is locked.

Root can do some things without using custom ROM, however, much of what you'd probably be trying to achieve with root access alone is typically baked right in to the custom ROMs. Also, custom ROMs tend to solve a lot of the little issues or things that the manufacturers overlooked, as the saying goes, "God is in the details". Not having access to the bootloader really detracts a lot from the whole rooting experience. That's how I understand it at least.

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Agree I also am not that worried about root im sure there is some guy out there who will most likely eventually crack it but to me it doesnt matter> all i really care about is 2.2 and to me the phone will be even more perfect then it already is. I would never get a samsung their phones always feel so cheap and they are notorious for leaving their customers and phones out to dry when it comes to updates.
You say that now, but you may feel very differently when you start noticing a bunch of minor annoying things that Moto and VZW overlooked, but a hacker may quickly remedy with a custom ROM....
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You say that now, but you may feel very differently when you start noticing a bunch of minor annoying things that Moto and VZW overlooked, but a hacker may quickly remedy with a custom ROM....[/QUOTE]

Not really i had the eris, the incredible and didnt root either or those to me rooting isnt that big of a deal or that important the phone will be fine for me the way it is
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Rooting is more important to me than roms besides getting updates early it doesn't really matter to me.

I've found that custom roms may get rid of some problems but they usually introduce new issues that are even more annoying. (I ran several hybrids on the tour trying to find an O.S. that actually worked in all the ways I needed it to).

My biggest beef with the tour hybrids is they would all run fine for about 3 days. then the o.S. would slow to a crawl and I HAD to do battery pulls. and if I texted a lot. I'd see them crash. stock and hybrids. so..... ROMS. not so much.

Rooting? Definitely.

Verizon wouldn't care. Motorola, maybe. They might be made to change their mind if they get "overwhelming" emails and calls about the bootloader being encrypted. Motorola is in a precarious situation and they need all the customers they can get. the competition is stiff, and the Droid is yesterday's news.
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Which is unfortunately 90% of users, and is why Moto/VZW couldn't give 2 craps about an unlocked/unencrypted bootloader.

I personally would like to be able to flash ROMs. This way, you don't get left in the dark when a new Android release comes out - someone will cook it up to work on the phone. The Eris isn't even available to purchase anymore (at least on VZW's website), how long do you think they'll keep the updates coming? Not long I'd imagine. Once a phone is no longer being sold, they have no reason to worry about updating it.
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Rooting is more important to me than roms besides getting updates early it doesn't really matter to me.

I've found that custom roms may get rid of some problems but they usually introduce new issues that are even more annoying. (I ran several hybrids on the tour trying to find an O.S. that actually worked in all the ways I needed it to).

My biggest beef with the tour hybrids is they would all run fine for about 3 days. then the o.S. would slow to a crawl and I HAD to do battery pulls. and if I texted a lot. I'd see them crash. stock and hybrids. so..... ROMS. not so much.

Rooting? Definitely.

Verizon wouldn't care. Motorola, maybe. They might be made to change their mind if they get "overwhelming" emails and calls about the bootloader being encrypted. Motorola is in a precarious situation and they need all the customers they can get. the competition is stiff, and the Droid is yesterday's news.
im guessing your talking about the blackberry tour and issues you had with those roms. let me tell you that our developers are amazing. if there are any issues, the developer will most likely fix it within a week's time.
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