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Old January 29th, 2011, 02:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Will WiFi Tethering get me into trouble with Verizon?

For the next 6 month I will not have regular access to broadband internet or wifi hotspots. I was wondering if I used my phone to wifi tether to my laptop will Verizon freak out? I am going to use a lot of bandwidth over the 3g network for large file downloads, streaming audio/video, and to play online games; probable a few gigs a month...

Is there anyway for Verizon to know that I am doing this and will they cut me off or something? I will be going from 200mbs a month to 2gbs or more a month on 3g...lol there's no way they're not going to notice.

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For the next 6 month I will not have regular access to broadband internet or wifi hotspots. I was wondering if I used my phone to wifi tether to my laptop will Verizon freak out? I am going to use a lot of bandwidth over the 3g network for large file downloads, streaming audio/video, and to play online games; probable a few gigs a month...

Is there anyway for Verizon to know that I am doing this and will they cut me off or something? I will be going from 200mbs a month to 2gbs or more a month on 3g...lol there's no way they're not going to notice.
You should be fine. Monitor your data and just make sure you don't surpass 5GB a month. That is when the system flags yours account and they take a look at it.
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Old January 29th, 2011, 02:45 PM   #3 (permalink)
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You should be fine. Monitor your data and just make sure you don't surpass 5GB a month. That is when the system flags yours account and they take a look at it.
Really??? 5GB is all I get on my "Unlimited" plan for $30 a month???

Verizon is evil...what happens after I've been flagged? Can they tell how I have used up the 5GBs?
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5 gb is a lot for a phone

he's not saying the world will cave it, but that's the generally accepted "soft limit" for VZW - you can go over it, but they will possibly monitor your account
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Something that I find odd is how easy it is to wifi tether via bluetooth. There's no restrictions or anything. Surely if Verizon contacts me, I'll just say that I thought it was fine since my computer asked me if I wanted to connect to the internet via phone.
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^and potentially throttle your data so you get slower speeds/less bandwidth.
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^and potentially throttle your data so you get slower speeds/less bandwidth.
HAH!
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HAH!
Was meant for the post above yours

Vihzel, did you used to have an Eris? Your name seems familiar
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Has anyone ever been in trouble with Verizon from using to much bandwidth on the 3g network before? What did they do about it?
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You should be fine. Monitor your data and just make sure you don't surpass 5GB a month. That is when the system flags yours account and they take a look at it.
False. I use on average 6bg/month. Never heard anything. I've gone up to 7gb at one point. Lots and lots of internet use.
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Was meant for the post above yours

Vihzel, did you used to have an Eris? Your name seems familiar
Hehe I know, that's why I said "HAH"

I never owned an Eris. My first Android device was the Droid.
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Last month I used 81gb and nothing happened. 58gb the month prior, and still have been able to hit 300kbs! In good areas. And thats not from tethering all the time. Most data is used from my X.
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Last month I used 81gb and nothing happened. 58gb the month prior, and still have been able to hit 300kbs! In good areas. And thats not from tethering all the time. Most data is used from my X.
That is a ridiculous amount of data. Is your primary internet for your computer the android phone so tethering is constantly running?
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I tether maybe 2-3 days a week but usage is under a gig there. I'd say that 90 percent of data used is just from the x itself without tether
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I am in no way trying to be rude but I can't believe you use that much data from the X itself..It doesn't use that much data browsing webpages
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I do alot of streaming and downloading. My current usage is at 15.6 gb now.
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Last month I used 81gb and nothing happened. 58gb the month prior, and still have been able to hit 300kbs! In good areas. And thats not from tethering all the time. Most data is used from my X.

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Last month I used 81gb and nothing happened. 58gb the month prior, and still have been able to hit 300kbs! In good areas. And thats not from tethering all the time. Most data is used from my X.
BE CAREFUL. Not wanting to sound pessimistic but I think Verizon knows about this already. Data usage like that wouldn't just go unnoticed.
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BE CAREFUL. Not wanting to sound pessimistic but I think Verizon knows about this already. Data usage like that wouldn't just go unnoticed.
There's no reason to "be careful." Its an UNLIMITED data plan. As stated most of the data does not come from tethering. So there's nothing to worry about. I'm sure there are others, myself included who use their x as their main computer. Nowhere in the contract does it state that using so much data will make them cancel your service. Just saying. No reason to get people worrying... Now if you use tether to download illegally, that's a different story. My cable provider (when I still had cable) didn't have to look into anything because of a lot of use during the month. Also keep in mind, almost every app in android uses internet access.
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I will be mostly streaming movies and shows on hulu. I can already see myself going over 5gbs a week just on hulu. Then, on top of that, there will be the regular internet browsing, facebook, email, ebay, youtube, music downloads, and online gaming.

What's the worst Verizon can do? I doubt they will shut me off. Just like the post above, I will tell them I stream a lot of videos on youtube or something.
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Really??? 5GB is all I get on my "Unlimited" plan for $30 a month???

Verizon is evil...what happens after I've been flagged? Can they tell how I have used up the 5GBs?
No, you get much more than 5g on your "unlimited" plan. It is unlimited usage ON YOUR PHONE. That is what they agreed to and that is what you agreed to. People that tether typically use much more bandwidth. So they charge more for that.
Why are they evil because you want to change the agreement midstream and use the device in ways that they did not agree to?

I think it would be evil if they decided NOT to live up to their agreement and start charging you for things you didn't agree to. Just as I don't agree with you not wanting to live up to your agreement.
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People that tether typically use much more bandwidth...
Just wanted to clarify something here, people who tether don't use anymore bandwidth than those who don't simply because..... well they can't. 3g only operates in the 5ghz range of the bandwidth (I believe, or maybe it was the 3ghz range? Oh well, either way it's very narrow). Now the big advantage to 4g is that it will operate all the way from 1ghz to 20ghz, which will allow users to GULP data soooooo much faster than 3g ever did.

Wanna stream 1080p high def video instantly? On 4g this will be cake. 4g is a monster compared to 3g, hence the capped data plans that are rumored to come. Think 81 gigs of data for the month is high? On 4g you could probably hit that mark in a days time if you REALLY tried!
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There's no reason to "be careful." Its an UNLIMITED data plan. As stated most of the data does not come from tethering. So there's nothing to worry about. I'm sure there are others, myself included who use their x as their main computer. Nowhere in the contract does it state that using so much data will make them cancel your service. Just saying. No reason to get people worrying... Now if you use tether to download illegally, that's a different story. My cable provider (when I still had cable) didn't have to look into anything because of a lot of use during the month. Also keep in mind, almost every app in android uses internet access.
Verizon Droid Tethering Will Cost You - PCWorld Business Center

I don't know if things have changed since then. From what I've heard also, Verizon Wireless can cancel your account for "abuse". So unless things have changed since then... BE CAREFUL.
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Just wanted to clarify something here, people who tether don't use anymore bandwidth than those who don't simply because..... well they can't. 3g only operates in the 5ghz range of the bandwidth (I believe, or maybe it was the 3ghz range? Oh well, either way it's very narrow). Now the big advantage to 4g is that it will operate all the way from 1ghz to 20ghz, which will allow users to GULP data soooooo much faster than 3g ever did.

Wanna stream 1080p high def video instantly? On 4g this will be cake. 4g is a monster compared to 3g, hence the capped data plans that are rumored to come. Think 81 gigs of data for the month is high? On 4g you could probably hit that mark in a days time if you REALLY tried!
Have a 4g mobile broadband usb device and have seen speeds as high as 20 meg down 6 up with the average around 16 down 3 up. I could definitely see people dropping their home internet service and going with a device like this but I can also see people eating thru 5 and 10 gig (the plans they offer here, 50 and 80 dollars a month, i think it is) in no time flat.
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No, you get much more than 5g on your "unlimited" plan. It is unlimited usage ON YOUR PHONE. That is what they agreed to and that is what you agreed to. People that tether typically use much more bandwidth. So they charge more for that.
Why are they evil because you want to change the agreement midstream and use the device in ways that they did not agree to?

I think it would be evil if they decided NOT to live up to their agreement and start charging you for things you didn't agree to. Just as I don't agree with you not wanting to live up to your agreement.
I didn't agree to an unlimited amount of data on my phone. I agreed to an internet connection using the CDMA modem of my phone, that is un-metered.
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I didn't agree to an unlimited amount of data on my phone. I agreed to an internet connection using the CDMA modem of my phone, that is un-metered.
Verizon 3G isn't an internet connection.
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i didnt read all this.
awnser to your question is no.
verizon is not your parents....you wont get in trouble with them.
you pay for a service they provide it.
worst case they will say you broke the agreement and what? tell you your contract is over....well oh darn, now im contract free....

now, i wouldnt go using 30g in a month or something crazy like one guy on here did....not sure how he pulled that off....
 
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now, i wouldnt go using 30g in a month or something crazy like one guy on here did....not sure how he pulled that off....
The one that has me miffed is the 81 gigs.... the highest month I have on record is 16 gigs, and I felt like I was outa control during that 30 day time frame. How he managed to best me 4 and 1/2 times over is beyond me.

Ge musta like...... used 4 and 1/2 times more data than I did or something?


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If it's not an internet connection, what is it connecting to?
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If it's not an internet connection, what is it connecting to?
Whoops! My mistake. I was thinking of voice and cellular network.
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I don't know if things have changed since then. From what I've heard also, Verizon Wireless can cancel your account for "abuse". So unless things have changed since then... BE CAREFUL.
Yes I read it all.

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The one that has me miffed is the 81 gigs.... the highest month I have on record is 16 gigs, and I felt like I was outa control during that 30 day time frame. How he managed to best me 4 and 1/2 times over is beyond me.

Ge musta like...... used 4 and 1/2 times more data than I did or something?


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I use 10-15 gigs monthly connected to my iPad/laptop and streaming music 24/7 from my car to my Bose system and I have not had any issues.
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Its really not that hard to use alot of data. I drive a truck so slacker is playing for at least 10-15hrs a day. Plus I watch alot of youtube in my down time.
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I didn't agree to an unlimited amount of data on my phone. I agreed to an internet connection using the CDMA modem of my phone, that is un-metered.
Well, if you wrote the agreement to say that and an authorized representative from the company signed, then I would not worry about it. Good for you. However, if you are like everyone else and signed the agreement that THEY wrote, I'm guessing it says somewhere about how the data may be used. It might also say something about terms from a site.

As much as you'd like to think it, You probably wouldn't be the first person to think of the arguement that you thought "unlimited" data on your phone meant you could use it any way you wanted. You can't, and their lawyers wrote the agreement long ago to make sure that argument wouldn't hold up. But good luck with that.
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Yes I read it all.

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What Are Verizon Wireless' Rights to Limit or End Service or End this Agreement?

We can, without notice, limit, suspend or end your Service or any agreement with you for any good cause, including, but not limited to: (1) if you: (a) breach this agreement; (b) resell your Service; (c) use your Service for any illegal purpose, including use that violates trade and economic sanctions and prohibitions promulgated by any U.S. governmental agency; (d) install, deploy or use any regeneration equipment or similar mechanism (for example, a repeater) to originate, amplify, enhance, retransmit or regenerate an RF signal without our permission; (e) steal from or lie to us; or, if you're a Postpay customer, (f) pay late more than once in any 12 months; (g) incur charges larger than a required deposit or billing limit, or materially in excess of your monthly access charges (even if we haven't yet billed the charges); (h) provide credit information we can't verify; or (i) are unable to pay us or go bankrupt; or (2) if you, any user of your device or any account manager on your account: (a) threaten, harass, or use vulgar and/or inappropriate language toward our representatives; (b) interfere with our operations; (c) "spam," or engage in other abusive messaging or calling; (d) modify your device from its manufacturer's specifications; or (e) use your Service in a way that negatively affects our network or other customers. We can also temporarily limit your Service for any operational or governmental reason.
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With everyone's worries over using to much data on an "unlimited data plan", it amazes me that the FTC or whomever can let these wireless companies like Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, ...etc. use false and deceptive advertising to sell their data plans. They, like the cable TV broadband companies, advertise their internet as "unlimited", but like most have spoken about in this thread, these companies actually do not intend for these "unlimited" plans to be truly unlimited. Maybe they just have not cut off enough users yet for someone to file a class action law suite against them to force the FTC to take action, hopefully something will happen in the future and people, like us, that pay for an "unlimited" plan can actually use it without fear.
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What Are Verizon Wireless' Rights to Limit or End Service or End this Agreement?

We can, without notice, limit, suspend or end your Service or any agreement with you for any good cause, including, but not limited to: (1) if you: (a) breach this agreement; (b) resell your Service; (c) use your Service for any illegal purpose, including use that violates trade and economic sanctions and prohibitions promulgated by any U.S. governmental agency; (d) install, deploy or use any regeneration equipment or similar mechanism (for example, a repeater) to originate, amplify, enhance, retransmit or regenerate an RF signal without our permission; (e) steal from or lie to us; or, if you're a Postpay customer, (f) pay late more than once in any 12 months; (g) incur charges larger than a required deposit or billing limit, or materially in excess of your monthly access charges (even if we haven't yet billed the charges); (h) provide credit information we can't verify; or (i) are unable to pay us or go bankrupt; or (2) if you, any user of your device or any account manager on your account: (a) threaten, harass, or use vulgar and/or inappropriate language toward our representatives; (b) interfere with our operations; (c) "spam," or engage in other abusive messaging or calling; (d) modify your device from its manufacturer's specifications; or (e) use your Service in a way that negatively affects our network or other customers. We can also temporarily limit your Service for any operational or governmental reason.
Nothing about 5 gigs. And with others using more than that, nothing to worry about. :P
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With everyone's worries over using to much data on an "unlimited data plan", it amazes me that the FTC or whomever can let these wireless companies like Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, ...etc. use false and deceptive advertising to sell their data plans. They, like the cable TV broadband companies, advertise their internet as "unlimited", but like most have spoken about in this thread, these companies actually do not intend for these "unlimited" plans to be truly unlimited. Maybe they just have not cut off enough users yet for someone to file a class action law suite against them to force the FTC to take action, hopefully something will happen in the future and people, like us, that pay for an "unlimited" plan can actually use it without fear.
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maybe you consumers are getting away with it because I dont use squat data wise. Im pretty much sending a few text messages and surfing a few forums and a lot of that is over wifi. Guess im a slacker. I did tether for a few minutes last week but that was just checking that it all worked.
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Last month I used 81gb and nothing happened. 58gb the month prior, and still have been able to hit 300kbs! In good areas. And thats not from tethering all the time. Most data is used from my X.
Somethings not right. 81Gb or 81GB?

Verizon's tethering plan limits is based in Bytes, not bits. So it seems like you are claiming 81GB, as that's how the usage is usually reported. If it is 81Gb, then that's only ~10GB, which is more inline with the possible.

81GB is virtually impossible to do. If you pulled a full 300Kbs for 24hs a day for a month, you'd use 92GB. That's using your phone at it's full potential for every second of the month. That sort of usage is impossible to do if most of the usage is from the phone itself. And that's the theoretical max, network speed isn't always optimal. Doubt you'd even be able to do that tethering running a torrent server.

I've done a max of 1GB myself, without tethering. But who can blame me. Not much time with the yachts, exotic sports cars, supermodel wife and her two girlfriends.
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Nothing about 5 gigs. And with others using more than that, nothing to worry about. :P
Your right, nothing about much any limit. Only nebulous like, anything that hurts thier network. That pretty much means they can make any number they want, at any time.

Verizon's lawyers are better than you.

It also means that someone gulping capacity in an overconstrained area might get noticed a lot faster than someone who consumes more in an uncongested cell area.

What that means in the end, I have no idea.
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This is all bull anyone worry about whining about this, I want to hear from one person who "got in trouble" for doing this. I got the droidx 2 weeks after it came out and using barnacle tether managed to bittorrent on my computer 37GB the first month. The second month was 32GB, I have not paid attention since then. I cancelled my comcast account and used my droidx to download all the movies and tv shows I normally download from eztv and kingdom.
PS direct downloading torrents to the sd card like with swarm is a mess and creates file problems after a while, better to use tether onto a computer.
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This is all bull anyone worry about whining about this, I want to hear from one person who "got in trouble" for doing this. I got the droidx 2 weeks after it came out and using barnacle tether managed to bittorrent on my computer 37GB the first month. The second month was 32GB, I have not paid attention since then. I cancelled my comcast account and used my droidx to download all the movies and tv shows I normally download from eztv and kingdom.
PS direct downloading torrents to the sd card like with swarm is a mess and creates file problems after a while, better to use tether onto a computer.
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it amazes me that the FTC or whomever can let these wireless companies like Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, ...etc. use false and deceptive advertising to sell their data plans...
I'm not sure if this is what you're talking about or not, but I know I was truly shocked once the very first time I went over 5000 texts in a months time. I had unlimited texts, and I saw a small charge for 'overages' on my text account. I thought that was odd, so I opened it up, I had used like 5015 texts or something, so the charge wasn't anything substatial, but I took it down to my wireless store (I honestly can't remember if this was Verizon, or if it was when I was with Sprint) anyway because I was perplexed.

They told me that the 'Unlimited' texts was capped at 5000. I was like, "hu? How can you cap an unlimited plan? It's unlimited, last time I checked that means there IS NO CAP"! Then they told me that they capped it at 5000 because it was extremely rare that anyone ever went over that mark. To me this was very decieving. Oh sure I'll admit I was out of control with my texting that month (was dating 2 girls, that'll do it every time), but that's beside the point. When I sign up for unlimited texting, I expect unlimited texting. I didn't sign up for 5000 texts, I signed up for unlimited texts.

I dunno, I guess ever since Bill Clinton told congress his definition of the word 'is' was different from theirs, it's been every man for himself out there!
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I think the most important thing to take from this is Verizon's assertion that use that adversely affects the network could be trouble for the user. I bet if they got several complaints from the same area of sudden performance drops they'd look at the usage of everyone on that cell/server, whatever, and deal with whomever, if anyone, responsible.

I should think non destructive use is ignored because Verizon's people have better things to do.

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Verizon can now thottle top five percent of bandwidth hogs, downres multimedia uploads -- Engadget

I hope you're not part of the Top 5%.
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Verizon to throttle the top five percent of data users.
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wow. I thought I had been using a good bit. Having no access to dsl or broadband, my dx is my only source of internet. I tether it daily to my xbox to play black ops. Half way through my cycle, I'm not even at 3 gigs yet.
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i don't see how it would bt possible to use 80+ gigabytes of data. I stream pandora almost constantly all day at work, everyday, and i've never sent my old bb storm or my DX over 4gb.
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