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Old June 21st, 2010, 10:56 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I poked around a little before starting this, so apologies if this has been asked a gajillion times, but has anyone else had the experience of internet speed with PDAnet being maple syrup slow? I mean, obviously the Eris is not the fastest phone anyway, but there are, confusingly, times when it's actually quite fast. As a corollary to this question, are there ways to increase 3G/tethering speed? Thanks.

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Old June 21st, 2010, 11:16 AM   #2 (permalink)
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It may have to do with peak times...I have an Alltel air card (runs on same 3G network my phone is on)but during evenings and weekends its quite slow maybe like 512 kbps but when its off peak like early mornings or daytimes its quite fast in my area I can get about average 2 mbps.
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The fact that the Eris isn't the fastest has nothing to do with this. It really just depends on your signal strength and time of day. The nearest tower is probably a couple of miles away from you, so sending and receiving data that far away OTA is going to be a strain somewhat. In addition to that, if you have a couple thousand folks accessing the same tower at once, that's going to slow it down too. The fact is thus: using the phone as a modem for your computer is not going to be as fast/faster than using the internet (wifi) at your house unless you have dialup.
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I used to get 2.4mbps with pdanet. I recently rooted and have been getting 11mbps using wifi tethering. Runs perfect for me.
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I used to get 2.4mbps with pdanet. I recently rooted and have been getting 11mbps using wifi tethering. Runs perfect for me.
I would be interested to know more about that.
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It may have to do with peak times...I have an Alltel air card (runs on same 3G network my phone is on)but during evenings and weekends its quite slow maybe like 512 kbps but when its off peak like early mornings or daytimes its quite fast in my area I can get about average 2 mbps.
Yes, this is generally my experience as well.

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The fact that the Eris isn't the fastest has nothing to do with this. It really just depends on your signal strength and time of day. The nearest tower is probably a couple of miles away from you, so sending and receiving data that far away OTA is going to be a strain somewhat. In addition to that, if you have a couple thousand folks accessing the same tower at once, that's going to slow it down too. The fact is thus: using the phone as a modem for your computer is not going to be as fast/faster than using the internet (wifi) at your house unless you have dialup.
Are there any little tricks you're aware of to boost signal? Phone positioning, open windows, proximity to metal, etc.? I ask this stuff knowing I'm open to ridicule by the more tech-savvy forum members, but I have googled this stuff and it's yielded surprisingly little info.
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I used to get 2.4mbps with pdanet. I recently rooted and have been getting 11mbps using wifi tethering. Runs perfect for me.
Thats impossible. You might be getting 11mbps speed locally, but your internet throughput cant be that high over 3g. Thats just simply not possible over verizons network.
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I used to get 2.4mbps with pdanet. I recently rooted and have been getting 11mbps using wifi tethering. Runs perfect for me.
You're not getting 11 Mbps out of the CDMA network, because the theoretical maximum speed for EV-DO is 2.4.

If you're seeing the 11 Mbps figure on your computer when you tether, that's the speed of the link to the phone. (It's also the theoretical maximum for 802.11b WiFi and one of the fallback speeds for 802.11g.)

What you may be doing is tethering your computer to your phone and using its WiFi connection to get to the Internet, which is just silly because you can leave the phone out of it.

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thanks i get what you both are saying now. I didnt understand right the first time i guess. But i have no internet here just using wifi tethering on root. And it does work very well for me. So it really isnt pointless.
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I ran PDAnet when I was back on 1.5 unrooted. I didn't know what I was missing. 'Wireless tether for root users' is easily 3 times faster than PDAnet. Plus I can use it wirelessly (is that a word?). I have been streaming netflix off it lately with excellent results.
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Good for you. Not rooted so irrelevant to my question.
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We are on the road all the time. We normally connect with the Internet using a Verizon data card in a Wi-Fi router. In weak signal areas, I use PdaNet with the Eris to connect. It is ALWAYS faster than using the data card in those situations. (I'll leave it to others to speculate why that's so.)

If you are getting slow speed with PdaNet, something is wrong. Have you updated your PRL lately? Do that by calling *22899. You must be in a native Verizon area to do that.
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My understanding is Verizon Wireless knows that you are tethering and are not paying Verizon for tether services. Therefore, they slow down your 3g speed deliberately. It's all about Verizon and how much you pay for service, and not about PDA net. With all this said, I am still able to stream Hulu on my computer via PDA net. Not bad for $19-
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My understanding is Verizon Wireless knows that you are tethering and are not paying Verizon for tether services. Therefore, they slow down your 3g speed deliberately. It's all about Verizon and how much you pay for service, and not about PDA net. With all this said, I am still able to stream Hulu on my computer via PDA net. Not bad for $19-
Do you have any reason for believing that, or is it just something you read on the Internet?

Any idea why the OP would be throttled to 1X (not 3G) speed and the rest of us, including you, aren't?

If you have any insight, I would sure like help in avoiding that.

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I used EasyTether a ton this week. I normally had about 2 bars at my grandparents, and it was moderately fast. 500 Kb/s was the fastest I ever got. And that might be the cap for the area, because once I had full bars in the town nearby, and I still only got 600 Kb/s. Still, it was leagues better than my grandparent's satellite internet, takes an eternity to connect everytime you go to a new website.
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Do you have any reason for believing that, or is it just something you read on the Internet?

Any idea why the OP would be throttled to 1X (not 3G) speed and the rest of us, including you, aren't?

If you have any insight, I would sure like help in avoiding that.

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I know for a fact Verizon throttles the download speed because my sling player shows the download speed drop into slower range the longer it streams. once you pause the streaming it shoots back up to over 1 meg per sec. I also talked with tech support at verizon regarding the constant speed issue when streaming tv. it is what it is. Atleast its un/imited data. Have a good one.
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I know for a fact Verizon throttles the download speed because my sling player shows the download speed drop into slower range the longer it streams. once you pause the streaming it shoots back up to over 1 meg per sec. I also talked with tech support at verizon regarding the constant speed issue when streaming tv. it is what it is. Atleast its un/imited data. Have a good one.
That's bizarre. Never happened to me. I even downloaded a 300 MB file. It took nearly 2 hours, but it always remained at a constant 50 KB/s.
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I know for a fact Verizon throttles the download speed because my sling player shows the download speed drop into slower range the longer it streams. once you pause the streaming it shoots back up to over 1 meg per sec. I also talked with tech support at verizon regarding the constant speed issue when streaming tv. it is what it is. Atleast its un/imited data. Have a good one.
Fortunately, that's not consistent with my experience. I downloaded a copy of Ubuntu (over 2 GB), and it maintained a consistent 1.4-1.8 mbps the entire time.

I don't stream TV, though, so our experiences may differ for some technical reason. I sure don't know.
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I know for a fact Verizon throttles the download speed because my sling player shows the download speed drop into slower range the longer it streams. once you pause the streaming it shoots back up to over 1 meg per sec.
There are other explanations for that, such as the Sling software adjusting its compression rate higher over time as it learns about the link's behavior. Resuming from a pause might cause it to start over. It's also possible that the ISP providing transit for your Sling box is throttling the uplink.

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How does this happen in every forum thread? By the time I read the last comment it has absolutely nothing to do with the original question. I am very interested to know how to either boost my signal or speed up my tethering access. I don't believe that there is a way to do so, but if there is then please let it be known.

I really don't care about if verizon knows and messes with the throttle and all that jazz.

The ONLY thing i am asking is the options available to increase my tethering speed.
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Lol well said trapt haha, thats what the hell I wanna know????????
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Yes I am having a problem with tethering speeds also. Great signal phone is in my window by lots of metal, sometimes works freaking great, then sometimes not at all. Very annoying.
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i fixed mine by changing the channel in the options
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How do you change channels?
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why is it my speed test says i should be getting 1.6mbps download but actual download speed is 4KBps? does this mean i'm getting throttled? i'm on an unlimited tethering package so they probably have a hidden cap even though there were no fair use terms.
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i fixed mine by changing the channel in the options
desperate to know this as well
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He means change the frequency channel in settings of the WiFi tether app.. When my internet slows down to around 83kbs, ill change the channel and it usually shoots up to
1mbs for a good period of time. I found this out when i was downloading game add ons on the playstation 3 network.
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so i installed wifi tether and i get 11Mbs (is that good) if so why does it take so long to download web pages?
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Dear Contributors,

The Original Questions:

Has anyone experienced internet speed with PDAnet being maple syrup slow?

Yes, PDANet can be very slow (for a variety of technical reasons).

Are there ways to increase 3G/tethering speed?

Yes - Here is my package of measures that increased my overall transfer speed.(ALL TESTED)

1. Boost the radio signal you receive.

Place phone in an aluminium pot (16cm diameter minimum). This measure was discovered by an engineer. The metal pot acts like a satellite dish amplifying the radio waves the phone receives. You will also receive a more consistent signal.

2. Use PDANet Version 3.50 with Google DNS ticked in PDANet settings. The installation process is a 2 phase operation. Install Phone side app. Install PC side app.

PDANet official website claims: "PDANet is capable of handling download speed of well above 35Mbps (35000kbps) over USB and is the fastest tethering software available for Android." (I have never seen transfer speeds this high on my connection).

3. Install an android app on your phone called Network Signal Speed Booster (made by McStealth)

It's highly rated by Android Users. It recalibrates your phone's radio signal so you establish a better connection.

4. Check your TCP/IP stack is installed correctly on your Operating System. Sorry, these instructions only apply to Win XP SP2 - But I think all Windows Versions have a Networks Diagnostics Program.

Start > Help & Support > Type "Network Diagnostics" in Search Box
Two options appear: 1. Scan System 2. Scan Options
Select Scan Options - Tick all except "Verbose" - Save options.
Click Scan System - Windows now religiously checks all the network components on your system.

Pay attention to PDANet Broadband Adapter after scan completes. Windows will indicate PASSED (in green letters) if PDANet is installed correctly. (If not - reinstall)

Under DNS Servers you should also see PASSED and the results of Ping Test. If you receive Ping Times of 150ms or below- You are good to go. (If high latency, run TCP Optimizer Program, plus measures above to reduce latency).

6. Install Firefox Browser on PC. It appears to render webpages faster than other browsers when I did Comparison Tests - There are also various "about:config" speed tweaks which optimize firefox's ability to load pages faster.

7. If you are very brave: Root your phone. (This is a highly technical option). I work as a technician and do not recommend "rooting" unless you have a spare "test phone" that can be rooted first. The test phone may become unusable if the root processes malfunction.

Users who root successfully indicate faster phone functions, plus the ability to access the phone's full capabilities at "administrator" level.

7. Plug the USB cable into a USB socket at the back of your PC. This means your phone is connected directly to the USB Controller - I have seen a top speed of 1 Mbps transfer via this method. (On more recent machines a higher transfer speed will be possible).

Why PDANet Can Be Slow:

PDANet itself is just a driver and apk. (It installs as a Network Adapter on your PC). Slow data speeds are caused by signal drop-outs on wireless radio networks, radio interference, distance from towers, slower servers and slow or buggy software that is not allowing data to flow at a maximum rate.

The PDANet driver (I discovered) is not required. A piece of software called ADB transforms itself into NDIS Remote Device when "USB Tethering" is selected on an Android Phone (while plugged into a computer). One will see the Windows Network Icon appear, attempting to establish a connection.

For reasons not clear to me yet, this feature stopped working on my phone recently. I had to return to PDANet.

Kind Regards, Oldschooltech

Note: When testing new PDANet driver 3.50 - "DNS Not Verified" Error has vanished. (Three cheers to the developers for that bug fix).
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Dear Contributors,

Here's test result (after all measures in previous post implemented)

Picture attached.

I'm getting just under 1 Meg as a download transfer speed.
I'm getting 168ms latency (My data packet round trip to server back to my PC)

These figures are acceptable, but will vary widely on a wireless network.

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Sunday Sept 23 2012 - 8pm
Android Phone: HTC Wildfire (Android OS 2.2.1)

Throttled Connection?

Difficult to ascertain with certainty. My ISP appears to be doing this, since data rates can slow to a crawl. I was also told two different stories about tethering. Before I bought the phone, I was told I "can plug it in and use it as a modem". After I bought phone I was told "we don't allow tethering".

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