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Old April 7th, 2012, 03:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Many people like to keep their phones stock, but I like to have my phones rooted after getting used to the stock feeling.

What about you guys, are you planning to root the phone when you guys get it? Why or why not?

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i'll keep it stock for the first week or so to "break it in" and then im %99 sure that i will be rooting it. I know it's going to be a great phone but to me that just means even more DEV support, custom ROM's can only make it better in my opinion wether you like sense or stock you still have your options.
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As far as I'm concerned, my phone needs to be rooted so I can have certain extra features.

- Mybackup Pro / Titanium Backup for restoration of my app data from my current Evo (more than just loading the apps themselves)
- Widgetlocker bypass of the 5second rule
- Wifi tether
- Possible (likely) improved battery life through various tweaks
- Certain Tasker features
- Of course the possibility of various ROMs and customizations if I get bored with stock.

And probably some other things that I don't even realize require superuser permissions.
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Any phone I get will be rooted. The way i see it there's no reason not to.

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As far as I'm concerned, my phone needs to be rooted so I can have certain extra features.

- Mybackup Pro / Titanium Backup for restoration of my app data from my current Evo (more than just loading the apps themselves)
- Widgetlocker bypass of the 5second rule
- Wifi tether
- Possible (likely) improved battery life through various tweaks
- Certain Tasker features
- Of course the possibility of various ROMs and customizations if I get bored with stock.

And probably some other things that I don't even realize require superuser permissions.
Same here, my phone needs to be rooted so I can run those apps that require root access. I may not flash a custom rom for several weeks but I have to be rooted ASAP!!!
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Agreed. I am making the purchase, I want to be able to change it as I see fit. I don't want to be restricted to what THEY think I should have on the phone and what THEY think the phone should be allowed to do.
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I plan on rooting mine the day someone posts up how. There are far too many benefits to being rooted to not root it.
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I don't think we'll be rooting it right off the bat though. A phone like this will receive overwhelming dev support, so unlocking with htcdev probably won't be required, if you're willing to wait.
The big, big cheeses like TrevE will get together and develop a root tool and find an exploit.

Any phone I have from here on out will be rooted one way or another.
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My concern is that if HTC offers their version of an 'unlocked' bootloader, it gives devs less incentive to search for a full unlock exploit.

That's what happened with the Evo 3D. At the time of release, HTC's stance was that they were going to continue to lock down bootloaders. The devs worked furiously to come up with a root exploit, which they did (Revolutionary). Shortly after Revolutionary came out, HTC caved due to public pressure and offered a bootloader unlock procedure. But to get it, you had to get an updated HBOOT that sealed the hole that Revolutionary was exploiting.

This HTC unlock procedure was still kinda half-ass. It was confusing, and it made flashing stuff a lot more complex. People who rooted the homebrew way definitely had it better.

But it was obvious that the devs weren't going to toil for an exploit on the new HBOOT since the HTC way did allow you to achieve all root functionality, albeit in a more painful way. A few people continued to hack at the new HBOOT, but not with the fervor of someone faced with an unrootable phone.

So yeah, that's my concern with this new phone. I'd prefer a real unlock, not HTC's. But will we get the dev interest needed for a quick crack?
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So yeah, that's my concern with this new phone. I'd prefer a real unlock, not HTC's. But will we get the dev interest needed for a quick crack?
This thing WILL be rooted. Even if I have to plant it in the ground and water it myself.
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Yes it will be rooted. Mostly because of the games and apps that I don't want to redo all over again. If battery life is good, then i probably won't need a custom rom. Never really used wireless teather.
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Every touchscreen smartphone I've ever had I've hacked. I love to tinker and can't imagine a phone that does everything I'd want it to without a hack or root or jailbreak.

Besides, I refuse to pay extra for tethering.
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I agree, if they offered a decent rate for tethering (POST-paid) then i'd consider paying it but $30 a month when i MAYBE tether 100mb is rediculous

if they had something where 1mb = $0.01 and charged you month to month depending on how much you used the previous month... i'd pay that
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My concern is that if HTC offers their version of an 'unlocked' bootloader, it gives devs less incentive to search for a full unlock exploit.

That's what happened with the Evo 3D. At the time of release, HTC's stance was that they were going to continue to lock down bootloaders. The devs worked furiously to come up with a root exploit, which they did (Revolutionary). Shortly after Revolutionary came out, HTC caved due to public pressure and offered a bootloader unlock procedure. But to get it, you had to get an updated HBOOT that sealed the hole that Revolutionary was exploiting.

This HTC unlock procedure was still kinda half-ass. It was confusing, and it made flashing stuff a lot more complex. People who rooted the homebrew way definitely had it better.

But it was obvious that the devs weren't going to toil for an exploit on the new HBOOT since the HTC way did allow you to achieve all root functionality, albeit in a more painful way. A few people continued to hack at the new HBOOT, but not with the fervor of someone faced with an unrootable phone.

So yeah, that's my concern with this new phone. I'd prefer a real unlock, not HTC's. But will we get the dev interest needed for a quick crack?
I don't think this is true. The dev's are going to work initially to get root "their" way regardless of whether or not HTC unlock method is compatible. The reason being that the HTC method didn't work well anyway. And HTC could always put something in the process that would keep you from ever getting true root w/S off whenever they wanted to. As was with the 3D, the dev's specifically told people DO NOT use HTC's method unless you wanted to risk losing root and not being able to get it back. The dev's will want to have complete control over the root process and they will make sure that the root process they come up with won't result in any funny business, like the htc method.
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My concern is that if HTC offers their version of an 'unlocked' bootloader, it gives devs less incentive to search for a full unlock exploit.

That's what happened with the Evo 3D. At the time of release, HTC's stance was that they were going to continue to lock down bootloaders. The devs worked furiously to come up with a root exploit, which they did (Revolutionary). Shortly after Revolutionary came out, HTC caved due to public pressure and offered a bootloader unlock procedure. But to get it, you had to get an updated HBOOT that sealed the hole that Revolutionary was exploiting.

This HTC unlock procedure was still kinda half-ass. It was confusing, and it made flashing stuff a lot more complex. People who rooted the homebrew way definitely had it better.

But it was obvious that the devs weren't going to toil for an exploit on the new HBOOT since the HTC way did allow you to achieve all root functionality, albeit in a more painful way. A few people continued to hack at the new HBOOT, but not with the fervor of someone faced with an unrootable phone.

So yeah, that's my concern with this new phone. I'd prefer a real unlock, not HTC's. But will we get the dev interest needed for a quick crack?
I think the lte will be different.

HTC dev should be available from the start. Why spend time trying to find a root method. And not just look for a way to get S-off?

I mean no one will already be rooted like the 3vo. So there should be more interest or speed in getting S-off. I figure devs may just use HTC dev method for root and maybe just automate it and possibly include getting S-off all in one shot.
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And yes I will be rooting. What would be the fun in not rooting?
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So with a non-removable battery, what does one do when problems arise like boot loops and such when you would usually do a battery pull?
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S-OFF is implied when I talk about a root method.

To others who seem more optimistic than me, that's fine. It's possible that if this phone is very popular, we'll see a big development community as well. It's just the Evo 3D track record is poor. People who bought the phone with HBOOT 1.5 from the factory had no choice but to use the HTC unlock cause the devs stopped looking for an exploit once HTC's method came out.

As I recall, the 3D was a bit hard to crack. It took a few months. Not like some phones where a root exploit is found within days, sometimes even before official release.

Would be great if el tevo is an easy crack. But I'm mentally prepared to accept the HTC method.
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S-OFF is implied when I talk about a root method.

To others who seem more optimistic than me, that's fine. It's possible that if this phone is very popular, we'll see a big development community as well. It's just the Evo 3D track record is poor. People who bought the phone with HBOOT 1.5 from the factory had no choice but to use the HTC unlock cause the devs stopped looking for an exploit once HTC's method came out.

As I recall, the 3D was a bit hard to crack. It took a few months. Not like some phones where a root exploit is found within days, sometimes even before official release.

Would be great if el tevo is an easy crack. But I'm mentally prepared to accept the HTC method.
the 3D did have a poor track record but i believe LTEVO will be better since it is the TRUE successor and all OG EVO owners are now eligible for upgrade (only primary numbers on accounts were eligible for 3D)

i think there will be overwhelming support for this device. i'm not worried, the OG Evo was like this as well... dev support out the wazoo
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I'll likely root it eventually, but probably not until I've had it stock for some time. Between ICS and Sense 4.0, it could well be that there may be enough upgrades to the stock experience that I won't feel compelled to root it. I haven't used Sense in a while, but I understand this new iteration is supposed to have a lot less bloat, so we'll have to see...
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I alway root but most times i dont go off stock. If I do its what i did on my Htc Inspire 4g and flashed an updated sense Rom. I use SetCPU, Rom Manager for back ups, and WiFi Tether.
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I alway root but most times i dont go off stock. If I do its what i did on my Htc Inspire 4g and flashed an updated sense Rom. I use SetCPU, Rom Manager for back ups, and WiFi Tether.
You've missed out on a whole world of tasty goodness called baked custom ROMS!!!

The OG Evo had a great dev community, and the roms are still flowing....regularly!!

I will make a suggestion right off the bat though. From my experience with Rom Manager on the OG evo, I wouldn't use it for anything. Boot into recovery manually and perform all of the functions from there. Rom Manager was buggy on the OG evo and caused a lot of unnecessary problems.
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I dont think I will buy the phone UNTIL root is available.. I need WIFI TETHER and I need titanium backup so I can restore my apps and data. Without being able to use titanium backup I am sunk with my apps and data. Also I need to be able to remove the BLOAT that is on the phone that I dont need.
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Got my Picasso today....I think I'm not going to activate it till its a root available...I hate the native text app and need my Titanium Pro to freeze it and a few other apps!!!
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I dont think I will buy the phone UNTIL root is available.. I need WIFI TETHER and I need titanium backup so I can restore my apps and data. Without being able to use titanium backup I am sunk with my apps and data. Also I need to be able to remove the BLOAT that is on the phone that I dont need.
If all you need are apps that require SU permissions, you can do that right now: How to Root/Unroot HTC Evo 4G LTE! [Windows/Mac/Linux][One-Click] - xda-developers

If you want S-OFF to load ROMs, however, you will have to wait.

My question is, if I do the current unlock, will it cause me problems later when a full exploit comes out?
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If all you need are apps that require SU permissions, you can do that right now: How to Root/Unroot HTC Evo 4G LTE! [Windows/Mac/Linux][One-Click] - xda-developers

If you want S-OFF to load ROMs, however, you will have to wait.

My question is, if I do the current unlock, will it cause me problems later when a full exploit comes out?
Will this give me the ability to use wifi tether that needs root and titanium backup and set CPU?
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It should. Not 100% on SetCPU, perhaps someone else can chime in on that. I thought SetCPU required a custom kernel, which you wouldn't be able to flash with this root.
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It should. Not 100% on SetCPU, perhaps someone else can chime in on that. I thought SetCPU required a custom kernel, which you wouldn't be able to flash with this root.
I believe to the extent a kernel already provides extra CPU clock headroom (my transformer prime is clocked at 1.4 Ghz, but the factory kernel provides up to 1.6 Ghz) you just need to be rooted, no additional kernel is necessary.
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My question is, if I do the current unlock, will it cause me problems later when a full exploit comes out?
This is what I want to know as well.

Also, are people suggesting that with a little development, root can be achieved without the tamper warning? If so, I can wait, but if not, I might as well go in with this.
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I was just reading over at xda about this root method. It's a soft root, no S-off.
This method will give you the watermarked bootloader, but the RUU that's available will clean that off.
So if you are wondering if this will screw your chances of full S-off later, chances are no. There are always risks, but this method is fully unrootable.
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So do we use this Method and then live with watermark and later when a full root comes out, run Ruu and then follow whatever instructions for full root?
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So do we use this Method and then live with watermark and later when a full root comes out, run Ruu and then follow whatever instructions for full root?
I don't really know yet.

We haven't got that far, LOL.

I doubt you'll need to run the RUU to get it rooted when an exploit is found. If it is required, no bigie dood.

You'll be wiping the phone and flashing something anyway, so the RUU will just add a few steps to the procedure.
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So with the partial root method available, i can install Wireless Tether and run it successfully, correct? It's been so long i've used that specific app, but i know i still have the apk somewhere. I've been using the native app in MikG's 3.whatever ROM i'm on with my OG Evo for ages it seems. That's the biggest deal breaker with me right now on upgrading to this phone, I 100% MUST have that ability each week for my contract work while at my full time job. If LogMeIn over SSH or TeamViewer via Linux would get their acts together, I'd be home free, but until then, hotspot wifi it must be LOL
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With all this talk of mods and anticipation from everyone... I might just have to learn how to root ltevo when it all becomes available... I've always been afraid to root and mess something up... As while I'm not incompetent... I'm not exactly a professional in this field either lol but I am like a sponge... And catch on quick... If I do choose to root... This would be my first time... But I'm sure with the help of all you fine people.... Learning the process will be a breeze.... So I'm in
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With all this talk of mods and anticipation from everyone... I might just have to learn how to root ltevo when it all becomes available... I've always been afraid to root and mess something up... As while I'm not incompetent... I'm not exactly a professional in this field either lol but I am like a sponge... And catch on quick... If I do choose to root... This would be my first time... But I'm sure with the help of all you fine people.... Learning the process will be a breeze.... So I'm in
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So with the partial root method available, i can install Wireless Tether and run it successfully, correct?
I rooted and the WiFi Tether app currently on Play Store is working. See my other thread in Everything Root about the WiFi Tether specific settings.
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Rooted last night using Regaw Mod method over at XDA.
No issues.

Got everything back up and running the way I want it (for now) and did a nandroid.

Patiently waiting for Fresh 5.1 to get more goodies for this fantabulous phone.
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Rooted using root only method last night (How to Root/Unroot HTC Evo 4G LTE! [Windows/Mac/Linux][One-Click] - xda-developers) without clearing Google Wallet (Scary! )


Installed Titanium Backup (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup) and backed up all user apps + data. Wallet would not work, kept trying to initialize after terms of service (Known issue per XDA) restoring data fixed it. Cleared wallet and it got stuck on 99%, force closed it and it seemed to be reset. Open app and it was back to startup page, still won't initialize. Force closed again and cleared data to be as sure as I could.

Used Root + Recovery method this afternoon ([ROOT] RegawMOD EVO 4G LTE Rooter | Updated 06.04.12 - xda-developers), no hitches, worked perfectly the first time. Installed Titanium, ran a Nandroid (Holy sweet crap it only took 91 seconds! OG took like 10-15 min!) Same issues with Wallet, restored data, seems to be fine. Haven't made a purchase yet, but I get no "secure element" error and it has my cards and balances reloaded.

Now to flash some Fresh and wait VERY impatiently for CM9!

Thanks to all the Mods, Guides, and users for making this as painless as possible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit: I didn't think it would, but I could not find the answer for sure, anyway-in case anyone is wondering, none of this will wipe your internal storage [sdcard] (or external [sdcard2/ext_sd] for that matter.)

Remember-using the second (Root+Unlock+Recovery) WILL wipe your system data. If you want to use Titanium Backup before this, root only using the first method.
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