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Very interesting read indeed!
I would think that ATKs are like Window's Task Manager. When you kill an app, it's like ending a process in WTM. I've had a lot of success with WTM when tasks just hangs up. Instead of rebooting, i would just launch WTM and end the process.
The main question now, is how would I know which process (task) to turn off when I need to - in an Android environment... Looks like I'll be learning the hard way... LOL!
I am telling you, you will really never need it. You have to change your WinMo mentality. If you open a task killer on an Android phone you will see a lot of programs and processes running just like you would on WinMo however they aren't running... They are hibernating so to speak until an app needs them. If memory gets too low Android automatically closes apps that may be running. It is leaps and bounds over WinMo memory management
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i am telling you, you will really never need it. You have to change your winmo mentality. If you open a task killer on an android phone you will see a lot of programs and processes running just like you would on winmo however they aren't running... They are hibernating so to speak until an app needs them. If memory gets too low android automatically closes apps that may be running. It is leaps and bounds over winmo memory management
I am telling you, you will really never need it. You have to change your WinMo mentality. If you open a task killer on an Android phone you will see a lot of programs and processes running just like you would on WinMo however they aren't running... They are hibernating so to speak until an app needs them. If memory gets too low Android automatically closes apps that may be running. It is leaps and bounds over WinMo memory management
I understand what you're saying, but I never really had a WinMo device. I was talking more into Windows PC OS....
One question though, does ATK have the CPU load that WTM has? Because that's how I can tell which app is hanging and which are just hibernating. I don't think I'll encounter any poorly written apps, but at least I have an option to shut one down just in-case.
Good stuff to read in here. I'm also coming from WinMo.
I think what I'll do is have a Task Killer installed, but I'll turn the automated stuff out and hang on to it strictly as a manner to shut down whacky / frozen processes.
Probably a stupid question, but do most Android programs have an actual "Quit" or "Close" function such that if I'm done with an app and know I won't be loading it up again any time soon, I can tell the program to gracefully quit?
Good stuff to read in here. I'm also coming from WinMo.
I think what I'll do is have a Task Killer installed, but I'll turn the automated stuff out and hang on to it strictly as a manner to shut down whacky / frozen processes.
Probably a stupid question, but do most Android programs have an actual "Quit" or "Close" function such that if I'm done with an app and know I won't be loading it up again any time soon, I can tell the program to gracefully quit?
Some do and some don't. I have heard that even having the Task Killer apps installed can still cause issues. I would recommend Astro File Manager. It has a built in Task Killer for the rare times you might have an app out of control. Astro is non intrusive, is great for accessing and managing your SD Card, and offers task killing if its needed. There are other options in there too that are pretty cool.
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I'm semi-new to Android (I have the Éclair port for Touch Pro - and have played around with friends' G1s), but I too still find it hard not to "kill" an app to free memory, but it should be fun to try without!
Quick Question:
If I install a 3rd part app to manage something (say K-9 Mail), would it be wise to let the OS still run Gmail in the background constantly? Or does K-9 access that specific "app" in order to run. Basically, would it be wise to kill something I don't need? Or just let Android do it for me?
EDIT: This is somewhat a bad example, if anything from Google or android. are running, usually, don't kill them -- but think in a more broad term (I can't think of something at the moment). The link posted below answered a lot of my questions. For those that are new to Android, I suggest reading it.
I'm semi-new to Android (I have the Éclair port for Touch Pro - and have played around with friends' G1s), but I too still find it hard not to "kill" an app to free memory, but it should be fun to try without!
Quick Question:
If I install a 3rd part app to manage something (say K-9 Mail), would it be wise to let the OS still run Gmail in the background constantly? Or does K-9 access that specific "app" in order to run. Basically, would it be wise to kill something I don't need? Or just let Android do it for me?
Nice Article, I will post it in the first post. I am not sure if the ins and outs of K-9. But I do know that you have to have a gmail account to use the phone. I don't know what would happen if you kill off the Google mail client. Only thing I could recommend is to give a shot and see....post the results if you do it ;-)
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Nice Article, I will post it in the first post. I am not sure if the ins and outs of K-9. But I do know that you have to have a gmail account to use the phone. I don't know what would happen if you kill off the Google mail client. Only thing I could recommend is to give a shot and see....post the results if you do it ;-)
Thanks for the quick response. G-mail and K-9 were the two I thought of first, I meant it more as -- if the phone is running an app that I do not use (as I use another for it), would it be safe to kill.
However, after reading the article, it answers my questions more thoroughly. Thanks again for the speedy response.
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If you're going to use K9 for gmail, just change the settings for gmail so it doesn't get email or show notifications. Pretty simple I would think.
Oh, sorry, perhaps I wasn't really clear as to what I was saying. What I meant was that if I dedicated K-9 for e-mail, Gmail would still run, regardless. The initial question was whether or not to kill Gmail at that point, as K-9 had all controls.
Now as I said above, this is a bad example, as you never want to kill a Google or "android." app running. But was just the easiest example I could think of at the time.
Is something like the 'Uninstaller' app by rhythmsoftware from appbrain also potentially harmful?
Fastest and simplest uninstall tool on android!
Features:
*Remove user application easily by single click!
*Display application name,version,install time and size
*Search application by name
*Various sort mode
*Ignore system applications that can not be uninstalled
Is something like the 'Uninstaller' app by rhythmsoftware from appbrain also potentially harmful?
Fastest and simplest uninstall tool on android!
Features:
*Remove user application easily by single click!
*Display application name,version,install time and size
*Search application by name
*Various sort mode
*Ignore system applications that can not be uninstalled
Woot first time poster! welcome to the forums.....
I don't have experience using third party uninstallers except for using Astro File Manager to install and uninstall apps that I didn't get from the market. When you install from the market you can uninstall from the market as well. I would recommend that for sure. Use a third party uninstall app to remove them I know with Astro you can install and uninstall apps from the sd card which might be helpfull.
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Woot first time poster! welcome to the forums.....
I don't have experience using third party uninstallers except for using Astro File Manager to install and uninstall apps that I didn't get from the market. When you install from the market you can uninstall from the market as well. I would recommend that for sure. Use a third party uninstall app to remove them I know with Astro you can install and uninstall apps from the sd card which might be helpfull.
Big ups! probably won't install it, cause seemingly your saying it is superfluous.
No forgiveness needed. There are several task manager applications that let you kill apps and processes within android. Some even have auto-kill features.
Its been a long standing argument for android OS on weather or not to use them. So I just posted my opinion and some articles in hopes people will give it a try. It really does make a difference from using one or not. Some people have good experience with them and some people don't. For some reason though the people that do use them get upset with the people that don't recommend them. I don't care if people use them or not. I just know from my usage it seems to make things run allot better.
Thanks for pointing this out. We learn things every day.
Thank You kind sir for having a sense of humor, I genuinely meant no offense; the use of ALOT doesn't bother me, it's a common mistake, but ever since I read hyperboleandahalf's tale on ALOT, every damn time I see it I chuckle, imagining what the ALOT would be doing!
Thank You kind sir for having a sense of humor, I genuinely meant no offense; the use of ALOT doesn't bother me, it's a common mistake, but ever since I read hyperboleandahalf's tale on ALOT, every damn time I see it I chuckle, imagining what the ALOT would be doing!
Ok folks, after several years of a Palm Treo 700P and "standard" cell phones, I am changing over to the EVO tomorrow like everyone else. So I was wondering if you can answer a few things...
What is a Task Killer?
I own a Mac and am going to use Mark/Space to synchronize. Does anyone else use this set up or know about? It worked great on my Palm, but Palm was designed with Mac in mind.
I use Earthlink for my email and MIGHT switch over to .mac since I have a Mobile Me account. Must you use G-Mail with a 'droid?
Since most of the time it will only be able to run 3G, at least until the end of the year or until the start of next, will that preclude the use of the internet modem? I am purposely buying the EVO so I can utilize the modem with my old laptop.
Ok folks, after several years of a Palm Treo 700P and "standard" cell phones, I am changing over to the EVO tomorrow like everyone else. So I was wondering if you can answer a few things...
What is a Task Killer?
I own a Mac and am going to use Mark/Space to synchronize. Does anyone else use this set up or know about? It worked great on my Palm, but Palm was designed with Mac in mind.
I use Earthlink for my email and MIGHT switch over to .mac since I have a Mobile Me account. Must you use G-Mail with a 'droid?
Since most of the time it will only be able to run 3G, at least until the end of the year or until the start of next, will that preclude the use of the internet modem? I am purposely buying the EVO so I can utilize the modem with my old laptop.
If anyone can help, that would be great!
Task Killers are used to close apps or running processes that may still be loaded after you have closed the app. Because the phone offers multi-tasking curtain parts of apps may remain loaded until needed again. Some people believe they should be closed, but Android was built to close them if memory is needed.
A Google account is not needed but highly recommended. You can (today) create your Gmail account, add all your contacts and even add images to them, and tomorrow when you get your phone and add your GMail account all your contacts will be there in about 3-5 seconds.
You can add third party POP/IMAP/Exchange email with ease.
Ok folks, after several years of a Palm Treo 700P and "standard" cell phones, I am changing over to the EVO tomorrow like everyone else. So I was wondering if you can answer a few things...
What is a Task Killer?
I own a Mac and am going to use Mark/Space to synchronize. Does anyone else use this set up or know about? It worked great on my Palm, but Palm was designed with Mac in mind.
I use Earthlink for my email and MIGHT switch over to .mac since I have a Mobile Me account. Must you use G-Mail with a 'droid?
Since most of the time it will only be able to run 3G, at least until the end of the year or until the start of next, will that preclude the use of the internet modem? I am purposely buying the EVO so I can utilize the modem with my old laptop.
If anyone can help, that would be great!
I have a mac and i'm new to mac but i have a hero and you need a g-mail account to access the app market so i use g-mail for everything.
Is this the same as a app killer? BB installed "advanced app killer" for me and told me to use that as much as possible. Is that good?
Well I have had Sprint Reps tell me the same thing. I stop them in mid speech and ask them how they could recommend such a thing. I would un-install it. Read the articles in the beginning. They will hurt your OS over time.
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Well I have had Sprint Reps tell me the same thing. I stop them in mid speech and ask them how they could recommend such a thing. I would un-install it. Read the articles in the beginning. They will hurt your OS over time.
Everytime I hear someone recommend a Task Killer a little bit of my faith in humanities intelligence dies
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What made you think that this app was the reason why you had forced close?
I've been using same app literally since it came out, and no force whatsoever. You might want to check other options.
Good for you. No one is telling you can't use one. Its just Android doesn't need it. So many people get the idea that you have to have one. Reps demand that you need one. This is not WINDOWS. This OS is smarter then that. So in essence, when one of your apps starts choking all the time or your OS starts lagging, don't come crying to us. Reset your phone, don't install a task killer, and see how much nicer your phone runs without it.
Third party stuff does not need to be running 24/7 unless you want it to.
Additionally, tweaking the memory management i.e. using
automemorymanager
will make a HUGE difference in battery life. (this is from experience on a Samsung Moment) Before ATK and AMM battery would DIE within 8 hrs. I was able to go DAYS (yes DAYS) between charges after using both apps.
So, think what you want, but I am speaking from actual 'Droid experience, you NEED to tweek the memory/running programs if you want any kind of battery life.
Task Killers are quite the hot button issues on Android phones. Personally I'm going to conduct my own tests revolving around battery life, with and without task killers, and doing what's best for me.
+1. personally, after rooting and installing systempanel and underclocking while asleep coupled with advanced task killer, my battery should be lasting longer. this afternoon is the start of my 24hr monitor of battery with both installed and rooted. i will post back after my conclusion.
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TasKiller did NOT work well. It kills system tasks as well as other apps which was bad and made me have to system restore to get back to day 1. However, Advanced Task Killer works great. It already filters out the system tasks and only gives me apps I started.
I would think that ATKs are like Window's Task Manager. When you kill an app, it's like ending a process in WTM. I've had a lot of success with WTM when tasks just hangs up. Instead of rebooting, i would just launch WTM and end the process.
The main question now, is how would I know which process (task) to turn off when I need to - in an Android environment... Looks like I'll be learning the hard way... LOL!
What I would REALLY like to see developed....is an app similar to what WinPatrol is for Windows operating systems. It's a PC software program that allows the user to determine which programs "start up" with the computer when it is rebooted. It does other things...but that's one of it's big functions.
For example....when I reboot my phone...I have apps like "the MP3 Store" that "start up" with the phone. Even though I've never even used the app! There are others...like Reds News, Cowboys, News (sports related)...that I rarely access, like every other week for a few minutes...but they are constantly on, unless I "kill" them with Advanced Task Killer.
Sounds like Task Manager (another app) MAY possibly do what I'm asking...but I'm not sure. Has anyone used Task Manager, and can verify if it will prevent unwanted apps from automatically starting up when the phone is turned on...as well as shut down apps that are not in use?
What I would REALLY like to see developed....is an app similar to what WinPatrol is for Windows operating systems. It's a PC software program that allows the user to determine which programs "start up" with the computer when it is rebooted. It does other things...but that's one of it's big functions.
For example....when I reboot my phone...I have apps like "the MP3 Store" that "start up" with the phone. Even though I've never even used the app! There are others...like Reds News, Cowboys, News (sports related)...that I rarely access, like every other week for a few minutes...but they are constantly on, unless I "kill" them with Advanced Task Killer.
Sounds like Task Manager (another app) MAY possibly do what I'm asking...but I'm not sure. Has anyone used Task Manager, and can verify if it will prevent unwanted apps from automatically starting up when the phone is turned on...as well as shut down apps that are not in use?
I have to say I think I have mentioned this before. Quite simply: You can't think of the Android OS to be like Windows. Just because a application has files loaded into memory doesn't mean they are "running" like you think. The files loaded are for faster access to the application when the application is called on. What is used would be memory. If Android needs the memory it will unload the most unused application according to the priority. So with most of the Task Killers out there if they show you the CPU %, you will notice that the apps that are loaded and not being used at 0%, meaning its not "running"....at all. If you look at your battery usage, the application is not listed. Therefore the application is only taking up memory unless the OS needs the memory then it will kill it automatically.
Folks coming from Windows back ground, me included, need to realize this. I have been running my new EVO stock, I get great battery life and never have used a task killer. Its just not needed. I have seen posts about issues with the phone on the forums and most of the time the screen shoots posted my them I see the little ATK guy on there. My first response is UNINSTALL ATK or any other task killer, run without for awhile and watch how your phone improves in performance.
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So, being a new Android user, along with reading much of this thread, I decided to continue trying ATK out, but with it throttled way back. Here is my approach for what it is worth:
1. Turn off autostart feature (it is an app in itself and drains batt to some unknown to me extent - just remember to manually hit the widget every now and then)
2. USE THE IGNORE list for killing apps (this will allows you to leave useful apps running - my ATK was killing email notifications originally)
Here is what I have ignored (you are more than welcome to chose others - afterall it is your phone)
a. News
b. Voicemail
c. Messages
d. fring (app for instant messaging)
e. Calendar
f. Mail
g. Gmail
3. After my initial test of these settings, battery life seems to be better so far, but I still get the added benefit of MANUALLY killing all apps other than the ones listed above. Seems this hybrid approach to using/not using ATK might be a way to go.
I am by no means an expert on Android, just a new user making deductions on own observations coupled with advice from these forums. Thanks for all the advice btw!
So, being a new Android user, along with reading much of this thread, I decided to continue trying ATK out, but with it throttled way back. Here is my approach for what it is worth:
1. Turn off autostart feature (it is an app in itself and drains batt to some unknown to me extent - just remember to manually hit the widget every now and then)
2. USE THE IGNORE list for killing apps (this will allows you to leave useful apps running - my ATK was killing email notifications originally)
Here is what I have ignored (you are more than welcome to chose others - afterall it is your phone)
a. News
b. Voicemail
c. Messages
d. fring (app for instant messaging)
e. Calendar
f. Mail
g. Gmail
3. After my initial test of these settings, battery life seems to be better so far, but I still get the added benefit of MANUALLY killing all apps other than the ones listed above. Seems this hybrid approach to using/not using ATK might be a way to go.
I am by no means an expert on Android, just a new user making deductions on own observations coupled with advice from these forums. Thanks for all the advice btw!
You could install Astro File Manager.....has no Auto kill functions and a kill when needed feature with it, and isn't loaded until needed. Plus gives you all kinds of other options like well...file management.
the sprint sales rep insisted i install ATK before i left the store. me being an android noob i downloaded it. s
so far i'm not sure how to interpret what the app is actually doing. i can open ATK, kill all the apps, go to the home screen, directly back into ATK and they'll be a bunch of apps already there waiting to be killed.
the sprint sales rep insisted i install ATK before i left the store. me being an android noob i downloaded it. s
so far i'm not sure how to interpret what the app is actually doing. i can open ATK, kill all the apps, go to the home screen, directly back into ATK and they'll be a bunch of apps already there waiting to be killed.
can anyone explain this to me?
Read Post #93 and uninstall that crap from them market in the download part. Then enjoy your phone and don't worry about apps running or not. Unnecessary stress. lol
Just to add my 2cents I un-installed ATK today and noticed vastly improved battery life. I was able to use my EVO (with heavy use) for 7hrs 47mins before it hit the battery 15% red caution area. Hope this helps.
Is SystemPanelLite considered a 'Task Killer' ? and for those that think that Task Killers are harmful... would SystemPanelLite fall into that category? (even with minimal usage, like monitoring?)
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