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Old September 27th, 2010, 09:05 AM   #251 (permalink)
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If your looking for a good task killer but dont need it to kill alot of apps and more so to monitor your cpu,memory,battery usage look into system panel, I find it to be a really nice app and one of few apps out there that have 5 stars. It has a built in installer/uninstaller and will monitor your phone for as long as you want and keep a record of its data for up to 3 weeks.. it really let me look in to how much battery sywpe uses and other random things I have only used it to kill a few heavy tasks more so games then anything.. its just a good app if you want to really know what is going on with your phone I will be monitoring mine for at least another 1 so I get a full 3 days of (whats going on with what) kinda thing.

Ohh and one more thing I do agree there is not much need for killing tasks since these phones will kill a task if the ram is needed on its own.. then agian it is good for apps that will not respond to anything and you need to kill it.. Im still new to all of this but yeah check out system panel if you have not already its good stuff and the UI is really nice you can tell the dev put A LOT of work into it.

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Wow I need to tell my friend this, he closes all his apps multiple times a day
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SirSlayer, I was planning to post the geek for me link about why task killers are bad - now I don't have to. Thank you for starting this thread
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What if you have annoying apps like Google Maps which just runs itself when we do not want or need it to?
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I don't experience that with Google Maps at all.
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What if you have annoying apps like Google Maps which just runs itself when we do not want or need it to?
The reason this happens has to do with the way Android apps work. Android apps are composed of activities that other apps can "call" and use. any app can call activities that are contained in other apps. If the maps app is running there is likely a reason for it. I am an android app developer and have learned how to use activities from other apps. If I'm writing an app that needs to send files via email, I know that the target phone likely has the gmail app so I don't need to write lots of email code into my app when I can simply use the activities from the gmail app. This keeps the overall size of my app smaller due to having to contain less code.

For example, when a file manager is asked to send a file via email and the user chooses gmail, the file manager simply calls the 'send' activity of the gmail app to complete the task that the user asked the file manager to complete. This will result in seeing the gmail app as running in the background even though the user didn't actively launch the gmail app.

Activities and connections keep apps from growing too large. If a file manager had to ship containing every ounce of code to perform all of its features, that file manager app would likely be so large that no one would want to install it. Apps can call activites from other apps instead of having to ship with all of the code to perform the same tasks, alleviating tons of redundant code.

Many android users don't understand how the system works and then complain that some apps 'run by themselves' when the fact of the matter is a user indirectly launched the running app in order to complete a task. If a task isn't completed and the user kills the running app, it will just have to reload and start its task all over from scratch.

The best thing to do is let the system take care of itself, android can do this quite well if the user simply allows android to do what it does best
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I was having progressively worse problems watching youtube videos on my EVO 4G. Eventually they quit playing all together. Normally the guys at the sprint store don't know anything about their phones but this time he told me to get rid of any task killers, and do a full restore on the phone. I uninstalled the advanced task killer app and youtube videos started playing normall......I did not have to restart the phone. Just wanted to share my success story. LostAirplane, St. Louis, MO.
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I was having progressively worse problems watching youtube videos on my EVO 4G. Eventually they quit playing all together.
You can not have the task killer just randomly kill things. You only need it if you have poor battery life do to misbehaving apps.
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You can not have the task killer just randomly kill things. You only need it if you have poor battery life do to misbehaving apps.
Why don't you avoid using a Task Killer and just uninstall the misbehaving app? That makes more sense to me.
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Why don't you avoid using a Task Killer and just uninstall the misbehaving app? That makes more sense to me.
well, some apps are worth having and freezing when you dont use em and defrosting in the rare occasion that you do want to use them. The phandroid app is one that ALWAYS runs (on my phone at least) and i just dont see the need to leave it running... there are a couple others that do the same thing, so i just freeze/defrost when necessary
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I used to use Taskpanel, but ever since I read the article about how ever since Froyo Android has managed to run apps more efficiently, I uninstalled. Never been happier! Battery life has also been extended by at least 2 or more hours!!!
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You can not have the task killer just randomly kill things. You only need it if you have poor battery life do to misbehaving apps.

In that situation, it is best to find the misbehaving application that is causing the huge battery drain and uninstall it. Killing the app is only a bandage solution and reason why someone would see an improvement in battery life.
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I don't experience that with Google Maps at all.

i do... it runs all the effen time... ticks me off LoL
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i do... it runs all the effen time... ticks me off LoL
The system should 'kill' it if it is unactive for a certain duration or if more CPU is needed. If it's not, that means you have some kind of sync activate? You might want to check that out and see if everyhing is 'un-sync'.
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ive been going thru the settings in the maps app from time to time from day uhhhhhh.... 3(maybe) of having noticed it LoL which was back in august '10. I dunno how much impact it has on muh battery, cuz i cant compare since i cant get the gawl-darn thing to stay killed for more than ohhhhh 10 seconds lol i kinda threw my hands up on the issue some time ago, as it seemed to be a losing battle. I have checked all sorts of synch options both in the maps app and other apk's that might use location as well. Any other suggestions, ya have for me would be appreciated
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ive been going thru the settings in the maps app from time to time from day uhhhhhh.... 3(maybe) of having noticed it LoL which was back in august '10. I dunno how much impact it has on muh battery, cuz i cant compare since i cant get the gawl-darn thing to stay killed for more than ohhhhh 10 seconds lol i kinda threw my hands up on the issue some time ago, as it seemed to be a losing battle. I have checked all sorts of synch options both in the maps app and other apk's that might use location as well. Any other suggestions, ya have for me would be appreciated
Google maps includes a service that other apps can use. In my case this includes OneBusAway, Places, Navigation, etc. If you kill the service and another app needs to use it two seconds later then that service is going to be up and running again. If you kill it again and another app needs it, it's going to be up and running again. Lather, rinse, repeat. This is the way android was designed to work. Allowing one app to use activities in another app keeps the size of 3rd party apps small. Otherwise 3rd party apps would be huge because they would need to include more code to accomplish their task instead of relying on code that is already present in android.

I see two choices here:
1. Refrain from killing google maps, the system is just going to restart the service as soon as it's needed again.
2. Find out which app is the cause of the service being started and uninstall that app.

The likely reason others aren't experiencing the same battery drain as you are is because they aren't running the same apps you are. Many 3rd party apps rely on core apps and that is why some core apps seem to run even though we didn't actually launch them.
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Google maps includes a service that other apps can use. In my case this includes OneBusAway, Places, Navigation, etc. If you kill the service and another app needs to use it two seconds later then that service is going to be up and running again. If you kill it again and another app needs it, it's going to be up and running again. Lather, rinse, repeat. This is the way android was designed to work. Allowing one app to use activities in another app keeps the size of 3rd party apps small. Otherwise 3rd party apps would be huge because they would need to include more code to accomplish their task instead of relying on code that is already present in android.

I see two choices here:
1. Refrain from killing google maps, the system is just going to restart the service as soon as it's needed again.
2. Find out which app is the cause of the service being started and uninstall that app.

The likely reason others aren't experiencing the same battery drain as you are is because they aren't running the same apps you are. Many 3rd party apps rely on core apps and that is why some core apps seem to run even though we didn't actually launch them.
thats what i was thinking, i just cant seem to find which apps are at fault here. I guess i can freeze certain apps and see when the maps app seems to stop auto-launching. Im not even sure how much its affecting me...
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Does it get running after doing location search in the browser? Do you have location awareness on in your browser? Just tossing ideas out there...
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thats what i was thinking, i just cant seem to find which apps are at fault here. I guess i can freeze certain apps and see when the maps app seems to stop auto-launching. Im not even sure how much its affecting me...
Easier way: dial *#*#4636#*#* --> battery history --> select gps usage and it will show you all of the apps that used the GPS

You can then check to see which one of these apps use the map
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Easier way: dial *#*#4636#*#* --> battery history --> select gps usage and it will show you all of the apps that used the GPS

You can then check to see which one of these apps use the map
when i do that, there isnt a battery history choice
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Oh :/ that really sucks. That's a stock Android feature...thought it was on all Android phones -_-;;;

I guess it's the long way...and checking the apps that has GPS as part of their permissions to see which one is the culprit.
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couldn't you accomplish what a task killer does by going to running services and force stop any app you wanted?
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couldn't you accomplish what a task killer does by going to running services and force stop any app you wanted?
Yes, and that's the right way. Just do it judiciously, not because you just feel like it. Perfectly OK if an app goes south and you want to stop it and try it again before deleting or re-installing, or to see if the bad behavior was a one-time glitch.
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Good day to you all...

I'm a newbie Droid user (Moto Droid3). I come from a long computer-centric history... Although I have in the past decades been assimilated into the Microsoft Windows world (so I'll be using that terminology until I learn the Droid one!)

So far so good... But I'm in that "download all those fun apps" period where I think of something I'd like to have, go search up and install something. Oh that's fun...

Now I'm also getting into that "Where is the Exit option?" period...
And "How can I keep this useful-every-once-in-awhile app from starting until I want it to start".

I found this thread while searching up "autostart" and maybe I'm searching for the wrong thing... BUT...

Isn't the key issue really "How do I stop this (still installed) App from starting until I start it myself (without uninstalling it)?" (If this is discussed elsewhere, please re-direct me...) My thought is that if it isnt running you dont have to worry about killing it? (And I think this is a different question than has been addressed by "these apps have useful class/methods that other apps call..." thread.

Where is the "msconfig" app on a Droid? I'm looking into things like "Adroid Tweak", "Android Assistant"... I've suggested to friend that he port his product to Android OS...

My example; I searched up a couple of weather programs. The Weather Channel (nice and so far well behaved) and WeatherBug. I have had decent experience with the PC version of WeatherBug so I tried it first... Nice, extra locations, easy to use... But there is no "Exit" option... Worst, when I eventually rebooted the Droid, it started running WeatherBug again without my knowingly touching anything having to do with weather (until I noticed a little notification icon with the current temp in it)!

I'm looking for an app that allows me to 1) (Do the equivalent of) Setting certain Services to "Manual Start" and 2) Removing certain apps/processes from the "All Users Run" (init.rc?) list.

With the demise of many "Unlimited Data" plans we are going to have to be concerned with "trickling data access" as well as "battery life".
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Do you have a Windows computer? Have you ever had to use Task Manager to "End Task?" Windows Task Manager is a Task Killer (or at least that's one of its primary functions). That's what an Android task killer is -- has a similar function as Windows Task Manager.

Now my question: Somewhere earlier in the thread someone mentioned that Froyo has a native task killer. I have Evo with Froyo. Is that native task killer hidden or can it be user configurable?

Another question. I have a puchased app that keeps losing some of its data pointers with respect to settings whenever the phone is restarted or reconnected to USB (even in Charge only mode). For example, in the app's settings it allows the user to specify where data is to be saved. I set this setting to the folder I wanted on the SDCard. When I had to restart my phone, the app "saved" the data I wanted to "Null," which actually means it didn't get saved at all. Yet, the setting still showed the folder I had set as the place to save data. I contacted the developer and he responded by asking me if I had a task killer or antivirus software. I said no, but that was before I read the earlier post about Froyo's "native task killer." Could the Froyo task killer be causing these problems? And, if so, what can be done? Will upgrading to Gingerbread help? (Thanks. Sorry for the lengthy explanation.)
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You guys have me SO confused. Now I don't know if I should get ATK or not. I'm coming over from WinMO and every app I no longer needed open, I would close using X-button (well, came stock with Touch Pro).

So, is it not like that stock on Android? In essence, once I open a program, it'll stay running, period? Is there any way to make sure the program stops running once you have it open?

So confused.

Being new to Android, I would go with ATK and start with the most conservative settings. If you feel like your device is running fine but you could get better battery life, change the settings. If you get to a point where your device is starting to act funky, uninstall the atk. I would definitely try it out for yourself.

When I got my EVO the first app I dl'd was ATK and it's never given me any problems. I never had a FC or any funkiness until I rooted and started monkey'ng round in my own system.
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Stay away from ATK.

Android will automatically hibernate (and swap out from memory) tasks not being used, and then kill the process as memory is needed.

Android = Linux (with services) + Dalvik Virtual Machine + Apps (running in Dalvik using Linux services)

When you kill an app rather than letting Android do it, you leave services running that may not need to, it confuses the whole app management system, and then the app starts getting relaunched by Android mechanisms trying to regain control of things. In the end, you use more memory and use more battery than if you'd not used a task killer.

The exception to this some of the Sprint bloatware that has been known buggy - some of that will every so often not play nice and start consuming resources even if you've never run it.

Rooting and conservatively removing apps - like bloatware - solves that problem.

I've run the stock rooted Evo since rooting it in June 2010 and have had no issues.
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