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The Ultimate Battle!
Because of the joking between Voided Saint, Yeahha and myself I am creating this thread. I enjoy ribbing them on the Samurai v. Ninja subject so please post your Ultimate Battle scenarios for discussion, real or fictional characters, it is all fair game here. While we should keep it fictional vs. fictional or real vs. real if you have a good match up that mixes the two then feel free, everyone can comment and say what their outcome would be and why.
I'll start if off with Ryu Hayabusa (a VS favorite) vs. Goku or Gohan
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He isn't even able to go super saiyin at that point, given he does have access to the spirit bomb but that takes so long for him to prepare he would be no contest.
Because of the joking between Voided Saint, Yeahha and myself I am creating this thread. I enjoy ribbing them on the Samurai v. Ninja subject so please post your Ultimate Battle scenarios for discussion, real or fictional characters, it is all fair game here. While we should keep it fictional vs. fictional or real vs. real if you have a good match up that mixes the two then feel free, everyone can comment and say what their outcome would be and why.
I'll start if off with Ryu Hayabusa (a VS favorite) vs. Goku or Gohan
Have fun!
Thanks for getting this out of Guides Central. It's been wicked bloody macabre and ..er, stuff in there.
goku would easily win any of these fights against ryu, because goku is an alien, and his skin cannot be pierced by mortal weapons (we saw gohan is super saiyan mode catch bullets) so in such at this point in the manga, goku can easily defeat him, however!
before the saiyans arrive, goku would be out matched by ryu as his skill wasnt fully developed, and the writers didnt know if he was going to be the main character or not in the series, thus ryu is regardless much, much, much smarter than goku in any way, but goku has speed, strength, and ki blasts that can destroy planets. ryu is outmatched
Broly vs Goku = Broly
Broly vs Goku + Gohan = Broly
Broly vs Goku + Gohan + Goten = SHOULD BE BROLY, but its the family
Broly was only defeated because goku relied on the powers from everyone to punch a gash in broly's chest, broly was then defeated by all of them, not even ssj2 gohan could defeat broly. as broly was too powerful, and fast.
here is a good match
Scorpion vs Ryu Hayabusa
i pull for ryu obviously, because scorpion is a demon/undead ninja, fights one on one, has speed and strength, and something others dont have... he is already dead, he has the power of the dead at his hands, can throw a spear from his hand, and spit fire, can sense movement before its made, and teleport at will.
however
ryu is a demon/human hybrid, as his blood is that of the fiends, he fights waves, upon waves of demons equal, or greater than him. His speed is far greater than that of a normal human, and his senses are so accute that he can sense the slightest muscle movement of someone as they are making it, and can predict where they will be, he is a martial arts master, and an expert in any weapon he handles, a tactile genius as well.
each of these figures have won a tournament
in the series it is said scorpion has won a tournament once, but i cannot find out where
ryu hayabusa won the 2nd tournament in DOA
i still put this in favor of ryu, as his battle skills are much more advanced than scorpion
He isn't even able to go super saiyin at that point, given he does have access to the spirit bomb but that takes so long for him to prepare he would be no contest.
i dont believe this as his alien skin is far stronger than that of any steel in our planet, so ryu wouldnt be able to defeat him by a blade, (but i could be wrong, as the dragon sword is made from the tooth of a dragon)
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He isn't even able to go super saiyin at that point, given he does have access to the spirit bomb but that takes so long for him to prepare he would be no contest.
No but he is pretty close to it and is still extremely powerful. He is able at that point to destroy mountains, that's pretty impressive if you ask me.
Gohan after time room training would be my choice, super saiyan and able to hold the form casually. No match there.
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goku would easily win any of these fights against ryu, because goku is an alien, and his skin cannot be pierced by mortal weapons (we saw gohan is super saiyan mode catch bullets) so in such at this point in the manga, goku can easily defeat him, however!
before the saiyans arrive, goku would be out matched by ryu as his skill wasnt fully developed, and the writers didnt know if he was going to be the main character or not in the series, thus ryu is regardless much, much, much smarter than goku in any way, but goku has speed, strength, and ki blasts that can destroy planets. ryu is outmatched
Broly vs Goku = Broly
Broly vs Goku + Gohan = Broly
Broly vs Goku + Gohan + Goten = SHOULD BE BROLY, but its the family
Broly was only defeated because goku relied on the powers from everyone to punch a gash in broly's chest, broly was then defeated by all of them, not even ssj2 gohan could defeat broly. as broly was too powerful, and fast.
here is a good match
Scorpion vs Ryu Hayabusa
i pull for ryu obviously, because scorpion is a demon/undead ninja, fights one on one, has speed and strength, and something others dont have... he is already dead, he has the power of the dead at his hands, can throw a spear from his hand, and spit fire, can sense movement before its made, and teleport at will.
however
ryu is a demon/human hybrid, as his blood is that of the fiends, he fights waves, upon waves of demons equal, or greater than him. His speed is far greater than that of a normal human, and his senses are so accute that he can sense the slightest muscle movement of someone as they are making it, and can predict where they will be, he is a martial arts master, and an expert in any weapon he handles, a tactile genius as well.
each of these figures have won a tournament
in the series it is said scorpion has won a tournament once, but i cannot find out where
ryu hayabusa won the 2nd tournament in DOA
i still put this in favor of ryu, as his battle skills are much more advanced than scorpion
The only Broly episode I have seen is the one where he comes back from the dead so I can't chime in here other than to say you may be right.
I'll admit I am not up on Scorpion and Ryu, just what I have gleaned from you guys so I will stay out of that one.
batman
im a spiderman fan, but you must specify which spiderman, and just remember two different universes, only one person has ever broken batman, and that is Bane, batman is in peak physical condition that a human can achieve, i just believe he would win in this fight, even though when the worlds crossed, i do believe it was spiderman vs superboy, superboy got smacked around.
batman vs black suit spidey = spidey all day long
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Original Terminator VS. Robocop?
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robocop is a natural, but terminator, is unstoppable
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Frisco VS. Early Mon?
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voldemort vs gandalf the grey. (ignore the fact that only harry can kill vold, and that gandalf came back)
i'd have to side with gandalf. his spells may not be as damaging but he is a much better tactician, voldemort relies too much on strength and is very spontaneous.
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Spiderman has powers.. Strength speed skills
Batman has the toys.. And a very sharp mind.. And able to out think his opponent..
Batman can not go head to head with spiderman
But can corner spiderman into some trap..
It would be a great matchup
i see it the other way, i think spiderman wouldn't be able to go toe to toe with batman, the armor, trinkets, and physical shaped of bruce wayne would be superior to spiderman. but spiderman would be able to keep batman at bay to prevent any sort of attacks. (does his web ever run out? im not the best with super heroes.)
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I would definitely say that is a tough one, Ninja were quite often disgraced Samurai or Ronin who could not find a master in the beginning then spun off in their own direction later. I lean towards the Samurai, they are the undisputed sword masters generally but it would depend heavily on the individual combatants and the weapons/skills involved.
All masters would be awesome to watch, bring a chair and refreshments you'll be there a while!
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I would definitely say that is a tough one, Ninja were quite often disgraced Samurai or Ronin who could not find a master in the beginning then spun off in their own direction later. I lean towards the Samurai, they are the undisputed sword masters generally but it would depend heavily on the individual combatants and the weapons/skills involved.
All masters would be awesome to watch, bring a chair and refreshments you'll be there a while!
Just lacking a master or being disgraced doesn't mean they were not as good, perhaps they were just rude
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Just lacking a master or being disgraced doesn't mean they were not as good, perhaps they were just rude
Not talking about our resident ninja(s)
Another one to ponder lich vs vampire
You are of course correct, many of them were very good but for whatever reason fell into disgrace or just couldn't find work (kind of like things are now).
Undead are undead. I think a lich would be good opponent for a vampire. Lich seek out undeath and are generally powerful magic users prior to undeath. I don't believe most vampires seek out becoming undead but rather have it thrust upon them at a random point of their life.
Goku vs Ryu
Ryu can defeat Goku .He just has to wait for the time when goku is eating or is engaged in an hour long staring contest .jk . If Ryu cant even pierce Goku's skin then he is weaker than Roronoa Zoro .Weak indeed .
Spiderman vs Batman
Spiderman .Meh .Spider sense and true three dimensional combat . He is a skilled fighter and his strength rivals super man . Batman is a detective and relies on information .Same stuff with spiderman . You can see he changes his web fluid combination to match combatants . You cant corner spiderman since he fights can fight in three dimensions .
About Batman's utility belt weapons and stuff .Spidey spent a lifetime fighting Hob/Green Goblins so those are nothing new .
Intellect .Batman is more smarter than spidey but thats a comparison . Spiderman is no dumb guy and is quite intelligent himself .
Frisco VS. Early Mon
They fought on a remote island for 7 days without any outcome ....
Average Ninjas vs Samurai
Samurai . They are more disciplined . But still the terms are too vague . Samurai vs Ninjas of say Uchiha or Senju clan(Narutoverse ) and Ninjas will prevail !!.
Itachi vs Ryu
VS wanted the best Naruto Ninja vs Ryu .Here it goes .Itachi .
Ryu wont last a second or a year depending on the depth of Tsukoyomi
Goku vs Ryu
just remember goku is an alien (considered the strongest in existence) he wont be defeated by any other character easily, as when he is defeated, he comes back stronger (since his saiyan blood makes his body stronger when he is pushed to the limit and when on the brink of death) so he is true ryu is out classed
spidey vs batman
as i said before which spidey? regular spidey is out matched by batman. Spidey does not take his battles seriously (who wants to argue that one?) the bat is hell bent on getting the job done, and doesnt stop until it is done.
black suit spidey vs batman? spidey will demolish him, as the alien symbiote ehances spidey's already increased abilities to an even further level, making batman, outclassed.
average ninjas vs samurai
out in the open samurai, in public ninja, however it will always depend on the situation.
itachi vs ryu
as said before ryu is superior to itachi
itachi wouldnt survive if ryu decides to use all of his abilities.
i have read on some of itachi's powers.... impressive, but not impressive enough to "outclass" ryu maybe karan should read up on the abilities known by ryu
besides naruto is a joke of an anime series IMO ^_^
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spidey vs batman
as i said before which spidey? regular spidey is out matched by batman. Spidey does not take his battles seriously (who wants to argue that one?) the bat is hell bent on getting the job done, and doesnt stop until it is done.
black suit spidey vs batman? spidey will demolish him, as the alien symbiote ehances spidey's already increased abilities to an even further level, making batman, outclassed.
Spidey will probably tie up Batman and leave a spidey tracer .Batman will do the same and both will just revolve in circles all night long trying to figure out each other's identities .
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itachi vs ryu
as said before ryu is superior to itachi
itachi wouldnt survive if ryu decides to use all of his abilities.
i have read on some of itachi's powers.... impressive, but not impressive enough to "outclass" ryu maybe karan should read up on the abilities known by ryu
besides naruto is a joke of an anime series IMO ^_^
Itachi and Ryu have similar ninpou .Ryu uses fire ,wind ,earth ,lightning and telekinesis , Shadow clones , substitution ,jinkukan and so on .
Itachi uses water ,fire ,black fire ,shadow clones ,substitution and so .
Itachi is is currently undead so nothing can stop him except sealing tech .
Ryu will use Dragon Sword I presume ,Itachi will just run around till he unleashes Susanoo's Totsuka Sword ,if Ryu manages to escape Tsukoyomi .
Ryu can stop time .Itachi can botch the perception of time .
Considering Itachi took down two immortals ,I doubt Ryu can stop him in time .
ryu took on 7 greater fiend lords who were immortal(with the true dragon sword)
ryu himself is a hybrid
fiend/human
which in our terms translates to
demon/human
i know nothing about itachi other than what i have sort of read about his abilities.
if you read about ryu you would know that his mind is part fiend nearly prevents him from being subjected to any mind influencing abilities (but it can happen if the other is powerful enough)
it could be a stalemate between the two, and since itachi is currently undead... that would make him an enemy to ryu, if he were alive, it would be safe to acknowledge that he would ultimate team up with itachi... giving my knowledge on ryu, and very limited knowledge of itachi. Ryu has been killed once, but since he is part fiend part human, he absorbed the spirit of the falcon, and is now incapable of experiencing true death
unless of course his is blown to smithereens, or decapitated, but to be able to decapitate ryu would be quite useless.
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Goku vs RyuFrisco VS. Early Mon
They pretended to fight on a remote island for 7 days but really hung out sipping frosty adult beverages served by topless native women without any outcome ....
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Average Ninjas vs Samurai
Samurai . They are more disciplined . But still the terms are too vague . Samurai vs Ninjas of say Uchiha or Senju clan(Narutoverse ) and Ninjas will prevail !!.
Another good point, goes both ways. Opposite ends of the spectrum, Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto Ryu (the one I train in) would be difficult to beat by anybody, Shinbukan Kuroda would be difficult to not beat by anybody (including some children)![/QUOTE]
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i will admit that the story's of the ninja arent what movies make them out to be at all, though the real history of the ninja is not entirely accurate, wikipedia states it is back in the 15th century of japan, however some books (cant remember the name) have state that the ninja have been around much longer than that, though not in japan, but in tibet, and even Jerusalem, if its true, im not sure. but regardless we perceive ninjas as the best fighters in the world because of video games, and movies, and its actually not at all true.
and as i said before ninja vs samurai, all depends on the location. even though samurai are expert swordsman, would win sword vs sword, but you can never count on a ninja fighting fair... but regardless, the place, and time of day, will play a major role in this part.
Spiderman .Meh .Spider sense and true three dimensional combat . He is a skilled fighter and his strength rivals super man . Batman is a detective and relies on information .Same stuff with spiderman . You can see he changes his web fluid combination to match combatants . You cant corner spiderman since he fights can fight in three dimensions .
About Batman's utility belt weapons and stuff .Spidey spent a lifetime fighting Hob/Green Goblins so those are nothing new .
Intellect .Batman is more smarter than spidey but thats a comparison . Spiderman is no dumb guy and is quite intelligent himself .
there is no way.. spidy is up to handle superman's strength.. not even a small fraction!
i dont even count the black spidy.. that was not really him.
normal spidy's powers/skills would pose a big problem for batty.
batty's belt has a small finite supply of help.
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Just for the record, it really doesn't matter one way or the other. Ninjas, Samurais, Navy Seals, nerdy high school kids bitten by radioactive spiders ... you all will be assimilated. We will add your distinctiveness to our own.
there is no way.. spidy is up to handle superman's strength.. not even a small fraction!
i dont even count the black spidy.. that was not really him.
normal spidy's powers/skills would pose a big problem for batty.
batty's belt has a small finite supply of help.
Considering the two DC/Marvel crossovers ,Spiderman was toe to toe with Superman (Although I think Kryptonite or red sun was involved )and He beat SuperBoy ,I think Spidey is pretty strong .
Spiderman has a Black Costume which he uses only when things go insane or out of hands (Yes The Venom Suit is a backup ) (Hunters and Spiders arc )
Also the Location is very important .
If the Fight is in Gotham ,Batman has a very distinct advantage since ,there are numerous safehouses Wayne owns .A game of Cat and Mouse will follow .
yeah i was thinking when karan said spidey's strength rivals superman... yeah not even on a small factor, spidey only has 1 thing that he can use against superman, and that is his spidey sense.
however i wonder if venom or carnage could pose a threat for superman, they are aliens, and superman is only weak to kryptonite, and magic, though i wonder would he be weak to alien teeth? and claws?
i would love to see Goku vs Superman
who do you have in this?
i go for Goku SSJ4 = ownage
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Considering the two DC/Marvel crossovers ,Spiderman was toe to toe with Superman (Although I think Kryptonite or red sun was involved )and He beat SuperBoy ,I think Spidey is pretty strong .
Spiderman has a Black Costume which he uses only when things go insane or out of hands (Yes The Venom Suit is a backup ) (Hunters and Spiders arc )
spiderman does not have a black costume, unless he knitted it, the symbiote is his costume, and it seperated from him a long time ago to merge with eddie brock, then it went to mac gargan, and now some new guy that i dont know of.
so no he does not use that suit when things go insane, or out of hand, as its an alien costume that is being used by someone else. if any of you remember, spidey has officially died once! and sense a spider can shed its skin once in a lifetime, that is what he did, and he was reborn, spidey has always surpressed his powers, and with the rebirth he became stronger, and more agile, and relied on the abilities of the spider. however he is still no match for superman.
yes spiderman did beat superboy
but if you remember he didnt beat him in a brawl, he outwitted superboy, and made him make foolish choices, which led to superboy being tangled in spideys webs. thus the loss to spiderman.
superboy was a joke of a hero IMHO
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I would definitely say that is a tough one, Ninja were quite often disgraced Samurai or Ronin who could not find a master in the beginning then spun off in their own direction later. I lean towards the Samurai, they are the undisputed sword masters generally but it would depend heavily on the individual combatants and the weapons/skills involved.
All masters would be awesome to watch, bring a chair and refreshments you'll be there a while!
Ninja can kill you when you aren't expect it. As Samurai, you fight with honour to the death. Ninjas don't have that need of self control and discipline. They will not follow the rules and and will do anything to win. A samurai will not attack their opponent if their back is to them...but for a ninja, that's an opportune time to kill. Also, ninjas have some wicked toys and plays with poison So if you have a skilled Ninja and a skilled Samurai, I would put my $$$ on the Ninja.
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Spiderman vs Batman
Spiderman .Meh .Spider sense and true three dimensional combat . He is a skilled fighter and his strength rivals super man . Batman is a detective and relies on information .Same stuff with spiderman . You can see he changes his web fluid combination to match combatants . You cant corner spiderman since he fights can fight in three dimensions .
About Batman's utility belt weapons and stuff .Spidey spent a lifetime fighting Hob/Green Goblins so those are nothing new.
Intellect .Batman is more smarter than spidey but thats a comparison . Spiderman is no dumb guy and is quite intelligent himself .
+1
I'm a Spidey girl (the 90s Spidey is my favourite), so that's where my $$$ goes.
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Ninja can kill you when you aren't expect it. As Samurai, you fight with honour to the death. Ninjas don't have that need of self control and discipline. They will not follow the rules and and will do anything to win. A samurai will not attack their opponent if their back is to them...but for a ninja, that's an opportune time to kill. Also, ninjas have some wicked toys and plays with poison So if you have a skilled Ninja and a skilled Samurai, I would put my $$$ on the Ninja.
As VS said here The Ultimate Battle! there are many myths and misconceptions, actually regarding both. The Samurai weren't necessarily the face-to-face honorable warriors you think, they had no compunction in combat as to how they killed. Yes, in a challenge rules of a duel would take precedent but if the opponent turned their back for a second that is a prime target, as I have often said spinning around whether for a kick or a sword move is just showmanship and stupidity.
Also, despite what Hollywierd would have us believe the Samurai actually embraced the gun when it arrived, unfortunately it was a little to late for the Battle at Gempei. The best way to look at it is Samurai were the original SpecOps, the better schools trained in all weapons because it is hard to defend against what you don't know how to use. Conversely the Ninja were the original BlackOps, stealth and covert, trained to use weapons that were good for close quarters and assassination.
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his brother/clone left a black costume for spidey I think (I cant remember clearly ) . It was the arc when spidey was pitted against every enemy and then all the spider family (arachna , Madame Web,some spider lady ) were against Kraven Family . It was quite nice arc .
The symbiotes Venom,Carnage and Toxin are very powerful . But they arent very Loyal .Chances are the symbiote will attach to Superman .Black Superman.
Spiderman is quite smart .he will keep red sun radiations and/or kryptonite if he were to fight Superman .
I admit Batman is formidable .But Nolan is better director . (And spiderman 3 was crap ) .
Comic wise,Spiderman cant be intimated easily in any battles .That takes off Batman''s half strength . Projectile attacks can be avoided with spider sense . Peak Human strength vs Spider Strength is not fair a match .
In the end comparison between ,Human(However powerful ) and Super-Human is just not fair .
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OK this is just plain silly!
Dr. Who vs. Dr. Phil!
After all, Dr. Phil could bore him to death...of course he would just regenerate then...
Ugh, Dr. Phil is horrible, can we agree to call him Dr. Fail?
Lol, anyway unless he were trying to destroy the earth/universe or were consorting with aliens trying to do that, The Doctor would leave him to his silliness.
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