I tend to get excited about new MMOs since I am looking for something good enough (end game) to take me away from WoW, which I always seem to quit and then come back to for a handful of months after a new expack comes out.
Of course, it is being made by BioWare, the makers of the best star wars games, IMO. I have faith they can pull off something spectacular.
Anyhow, the game looks promising. They seem to not be going crazy with graphics, which should be promising to get people with all sorts of budgets playing. One of the biggest plagues of modern MMOs is needing a $1000 rig to play the game smoothly. There are simply too few people willing to invest in a great gaming machine. I'd rather the graphics suffer a little than have a dead community.
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I'm excited for this too I've been looking for a good starwars game. Played galaxies for a long time but...it just started gettign old and really showing its age.
Totally pumped! Been a member of STOR since first announced in 08....
And can I say.....
WE NEED A FRIKKIN RELEASE DATE!
I'd love a release date too, but I would rather have this thing come out polished. A lot of times I find, with MMOs especially, that the team announces a release date and ends up pushing to reach the deadline, only to give consumers a product that is half-baked. The project cost is rumored at $80 million, so I am sure they are putting in every effort to make this game last.
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I'd love a release date too, but I would rather have this thing come out polished. A lot of times I find, with MMOs especially, that the team announces a release date and ends up pushing to reach the deadline, only to give consumers a product that is half-baked. The project cost is rumored at $80 million, so I am sure they are putting in every effort to make this game last.
True that. I have every faith in Bioware. They never rush perfection. I heard that's the reason they turned down kotor 2...... that game was rushed by obsidian and you could tell, still loved it though.
True that. I have every faith in Bioware. They never rush perfection. I heard that's the reason they turned down kotor 2...... that game was rushed by obsidian and you could tell, still loved it though.
I am still worried about the competition. WoW has become something that I don't think anyone ever dreamed it would be. Subscriber base continues to grow with every expansion. This new game HAS to be appealing to the non-hardcore players, or it will fail. I am not talking not be on top (I think it would taking somewhat of a miracle to topple WoW), I am talking staying viable. Look at everything outside of WoW. It all ends up taking the path of free to play with microtransactions keeping the game afloat.
I am still worried about the competition. WoW has become something that I don't think anyone ever dreamed it would be. Subscriber base continues to grow with every expansion. This new game HAS to be appealing to the non-hardcore players, or it will fail. I am not talking not be on top (I think it would taking somewhat of a miracle to topple WoW), I am talking staying viable. Look at everything outside of WoW. It all ends up taking the path of free to play with microtransactions keeping the game afloat.
The problem is that everyone that plays/played WoW ends up using it as a comparison tool when trying a new game. More often than not you'll hear that X game sucks and WoW is better because it's more polished. They don't care that WoW has had 7 years to polish their game while game X is brand new. I often think that people go out of their way to find something wrong with a new launch just because it's new. People fail to realize that not having 12 million subscribers doesn't mean that the game sucks.
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The problem is that everyone that plays/played WoW ends up using it as a comparison tool when trying a new game. More often than not you'll hear that X game sucks and WoW is better because it's more polished. They don't care that WoW has had 7 years to polish their game while game X is brand new. I often think that people go out of their way to find something wrong with a new launch just because it's new. People fail to realize that not having 12 million subscribers doesn't mean that the game sucks.
100% agree with you. Unfortunately, for a successful MMO, all that matters is what the players think. Every single player can have a skewed view, but if people are paying, we get more content. For that reason, new MMOs have it 100x harder than Blizzard did when they rolled out WoW. They didn't have their current WoW to compete with. Blizz is supposedly working on a new MMO. I am interested to see if WoW stomps even their own new MMO into the ground... it has for SOOOO many other MMOS.
There have been plenty of MMOs that I enjoyed at launch. LOTRO, Conan, Guild Wars, to name a few. But these games are no fun at all without a vast player base. I personally am tired of WoW, but I find myself coming back simply because there is a player base there to support me. It's no fun hopping onto a server with five people online when the only things left to do are kill creatures that take five times that number to down. The tasks within the game have literally become impossible to acheive due to a lack of players.
I should also add that I, along with others I am sure, am getting tired of buying these damn games only for them to fail a few months or years later. You are seeing more and more people wanting to get into betas just so they can see if they even like the game (without having to buy it first). They all feel jaded and don't want to invest their money and time into thigns doomed for failure.
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I should also add that I, along with others I am sure, am getting tired of buying these damn games only for them to fail a few months or years later. You are seeing more and more people wanting to get into betas just so they can see if they even like the game (without having to buy it first). They all feel jaded and don't want to invest their money and time into thigns doomed for failure.
Sign up for gamefly and you wont have this problem,I love trying out the games before I buy them.
Eh, they have said these things before. I figure they will release it when they are ready (or are done hemorrhaging money and want to start making some of it back). Hopefully not the latter as that generally equates to failure.
I have heard q4 2010 and earlier. Supposedly it was expected to have been released nearly a year ago in terms of initial expectations. We will know the time is drawing nearer when more people are allowed into the beta. That's generally where they get a stress test on the servers. Before that I will keep my excitement to a minimum.
The MMO market is so hard to crack if you are a newer game as lordofthereef says "Everyone compares is to WoW". The good thing about SWTOR is that they already have a huge following so integration should be easier.
Personally I can't wait as I am a recovering WoW addict and managed not to pick it up for nearly 6 months. True most nights I shake like a pooing dog but I am sure SWTOR will quence my needs. Roll on release date.
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I finally caught myself up with all of the videos the bioware has released. Game looks great, but I said that about plenty of MMOs that are now struggling so bad they have become free to play, hoping on microtransactions to stay afloat. (I still don't quite understand how LOTRO wasn't successful, I thought, and still think, it was fantastic, just no player base)
I will need to build a new rig for this game. Mine hasn't been updated for over two years, so its definitely time. Problem is I do very little PC gaming anymore (seems all PC gamers get anymore are MMOs ), so this thing will be built solely for this game. I'd have a lot riding on hopes of this not being a flop.
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I finally caught myself up with all of the videos the bioware has released. Game looks great, but I said that about plenty of MMOs that are now struggling so bad they have become free to play, hoping on microtransactions to stay afloat. (I still don't quite understand how LOTRO wasn't successful, I thought, and still think, it was fantastic, just no player base)
I will need to build a new rig for this game. Mine hasn't been updated for over two years, so its definitely time. Problem is I do very little PC gaming anymore (seems all PC gamers get anymore are MMOs ), so this thing will be built solely for this game. I'd have a lot riding on hopes of this not being a flop.
Apparently they are shutting down Galaxies right before this is being released... am sad about that, was just getting back into it....
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One of the biggest plagues of modern MMOs is needing a $1000 rig to play the game smoothly. There are simply too few people willing to invest in a great gaming machine. I'd rather the graphics suffer a little than have a dead community.
What modern MMOs are you talking about that needs a $1000 rig to play it?
The most computer intensive MMO out there would probably be AoC, and they are even reasonable.
Most games no longer have much "massive" about them, as they are for the most part over instanced, and completely separated scenario style games.
As far as the WoW comparisons mentioned, WoW was (is) a compilation of the best parts of older games, with a few new sprinkles of gamer dust on them, the new generation has turned that game into the end all be all.
MMOgamer mentality is much different then it was in the past, so if you are someone that started during the beginning years (saw someone mention AO) then most of these games will offer no depth, and SWG is no different.
The graphics are very 2004ish, yes to get people with crap machines to be able to play, but it is 2011, almost 2012 when the game releases... lets move on.
character creation is awful
if you like stories and quests, it'll be fun for you.. if you like pvp and massive game depth (outside of story, i mean character building and questing) don't even think this game will tickle you happy at all
the game 100% comes from the spawn of WoW and Warhammer online
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I finally caught myself up with all of the videos the bioware has released. Game looks great, but I said that about plenty of MMOs that are now struggling so bad they have become free to play, hoping on microtransactions to stay afloat. (I still don't quite understand how LOTRO wasn't successful, I thought, and still think, it was fantastic, just no player base)
I will need to build a new rig for this game. Mine hasn't been updated for over two years, so its definitely time. Problem is I do very little PC gaming anymore (seems all PC gamers get anymore are MMOs ), so this thing will be built solely for this game. I'd have a lot riding on hopes of this not being a flop.
i'd save your money for a while
and honestly, the minimum on this will prob be a low low end duel core , 1 -2 gb ram and a 512 mb video card, maybe even a 256mb card
What modern MMOs are you talking about that needs a $1000 rig to play it?
If you are in a raid with lots going on and you want graphics maxed, you are going to dump $1000 into your system. Last thing I played was rift and it ran pretty poorly on my 3 year old rig when there was a butt-ton of stuff going on. Same goes for FFXIV, though that was beta.
and honestly, the minimum on this will prob be a low low end duel core , 1 -2 gb ram and a 512 mb video card, maybe even a 256mb card
a modern upgrade would be overkill in a major way
I can't even get decent fps in WoW with those specs bud... I am not talking about minimum specs to run the game. I am talking about specs that would actually allow me to ENJOY the game.
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If you are in a raid with lots going on and you want graphics maxed, you are going to dump $1000 into your system. Last thing I played was rift and it ran pretty poorly on my 3 year old rig when there was a butt-ton of stuff going on. Same goes for FFXIV, though that was beta.
My wife got my old computer, a gtx 280 phenom with Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition and 8 gb of ram, and nothing in Rift made her lag, no raids or anything.. so you are mistaken.
my current setup could easily run tor 2 or 3 times over (it runs it one time over like a charm - and the game is very meh anyways) with a i72600k gtx 580 and 8gb of ram
you can spend 500-800 dollars, and max out SW:TOR EASILY, WAY SUB $1000, if you already have some decent parts $200-300 on a card will do you well.
they are making the game to allow the same people who have crap computers that play wow , be able to play their game... thats why this game looks like it was made in 2004 :P
Alright man. I disagree, and will leave it at that. The point of this discussion isn't meant to revolve around what I want to spend on my rig. I will say, if I am dropping $800 on a system as you suggest, to me, that is close enough to a grand to throw that out as a rough estimate.
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Alright man. I disagree, and will leave it at that. The point of this discussion isn't meant to revolve around what I want to spend on my rig. I will say, if I am dropping $800 on a system as you suggest, to me, that is close enough to a grand to throw that out as a rough estimate.
Good point. I personally spent just over a thousand on mine. When playing Star Wars galaxies on my 800 dollar store bought PC I turned a couple settings down for optimal performance. Happy to say I don't have to do that anymore.
(for the record, if i had 2 or 3 grand to spend i would of... just saying)
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Alright man. I disagree, and will leave it at that. The point of this discussion isn't meant to revolve around what I want to spend on my rig. I will say, if I am dropping $800 on a system as you suggest, to me, that is close enough to a grand to throw that out as a rough estimate.
Sure but what I'm saying is I've been playing the game, and its graphics are very 2004ish and it will run mint on low end computers.
And my recommendation before blowing money on a new pc just for this game, I'd try it out first.
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i'd save your money for a while
and honestly, the minimum on this will prob be a low low end duel core , 1 -2 gb ram and a 512 mb video card, maybe even a 256mb card
a modern upgrade would be overkill in a major way
wow, pretty much nailed it
"OSWindows XP, Vista/7 CPUAMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 4000+ or better · Intel Core 2 Duo Processor 2.0GHz or better RAMWindows XP: 1.5GB · Windows Vista and Windows 7: 2GB · PCs using a built-in graphical chipset, 2GB RAM recommended. VideoATI X1800 or better* · nVidia 7800 or better* · Intel 4100 Integrated Graphics or better*
DVD-ROM8x or better *Minimum of 256MB of on-board RAM and Shader 3.0 or better support."
Pre orders went up this morning. CE has a bunch more in game extras than digital CE. Regular gets none. There will be early access for pre orders, 6 days from what's on the forum.
The release is somewhere between 10/21 & Christmas tho year.
I would do links but I don't know how to go about that from my Thunderbolt.
I want the collector's box. But $150... OUCH! That's the most expensive collectors box I have seen (MMO), though it does come with some cool tangible items such as that Malak statue. My wallet say no but my nerd says YES. Pre-ordered at best Buy
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I want the collector's box. But $150... OUCH! That's the most expensive collectors box I have seen (MMO), though it does come with some cool tangible items such as that Malak statue. My wallet say no but my nerd says YES. Pre-ordered at best Buy
So I realized pre-orders get some color crystal to change lightsaber color. Cool. What if you are one of the majority of classes that doesn't wield a lightsaber. SOL?
The way I justified the price is that I haven't purchased a game since the last wow expansion. Literally. I just don't find myself doing a whole ton of gaming anymore. I used to spend way more than $150 a year on gaming, so I figure this little splurge is ok lol. FWIW I have also spent a butt-ton more on star wars action figures in the past (oh god, I am really admitting my geekiness here I think!) Pretty excited for the statue too. It should be awesome, for the price.
I am also interested in the unique merchant. I am sure it isn't going to be something very game changing, but a pocket merchant that sells items that are generally only available in the city while out on the field, maybe even for a much higher price, wouldn't be too "broken". I am probably dreaming here...
Here's my other justification. I only have to put $20 down. I get to be in the "open beta" and see how the game is. If it sucks, I can get back the pre-order money. If it's awesome, but I change my mind, I can still just buy the base game. Really the only thing I can;t do is buy the middle of the road (digital only) copy, if I wanted my $20 to count for something. Even then, I may be able to get my $20 in the form of store credit if I wanted to go that route and just re-order online.
@lotr - Are you trying to justify your purchase to yourself or convince us that we should pre-order?
I myself haven't been not purchasing CE's for a long time because I set myself a yearly game budget. This will be the exception that screws the yearly budget. Hopefully I won't instantly regret the extra ingame stuff.
@lotr - Are you trying to justify your purchase to yourself or convince us that we should pre-order?
A little of both!
That said, this is quit a bit more expensive than really any other CE I have seen, not just considering MMOs. I am expecting a lot out of that damn statue lol!
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Was actually looking forward to it, but if its true about TOR being "Origin" exclusive, then EA can take a dive down the toilet, their current project in trying to force competition with other distributors like Steam and D2D is going to end, very bad and very fast, and who's the real losers here?
Us, the gamers.
Methods aside, from the traliers, I was hooked when seeing The Return, the other two really nagged at me to want to play, especially how KOTOR turned out, I loved the story.
Star Wars: The Old Republic
), so this thing will be built solely for this game. I'd have a lot riding on hopes of this not being a flop.
