Root fresh and damage controll? + other questions

[skittlesV1]

What are some of the main differences of fresh or DC? Im new to rooting, Do you have to install a custom rom when you root? Is there a list of all the custom roms or at least the most popular ones? Also I was looking at the simple 3 click root, what is "unlock Nand" and what is "flash recovery"?

 

[gx1400]

I made this nearly identical thread yesterday....
http://androidforums.com/tips-tricks-evo-4g/116288-poll-rom-you-using-should-i-use.html

I settled on Fresh 0.5.3 last night after having rooted it Monday around 2 am when the root was released for the OTA. After installing it and getting everything loaded how I wanted, I did a nandroid backup and updated the two radios. Now just waiting for an update with 1.47.651.1 and/or Froyo.

Install was super easy with ROM Manager, like zero effort. As long as you have NAND unlocked it will load without trouble. Also a big fan of Fresh Updater that is included, I assume it will be just as easy to upgrade to new Fresh releases. The theme manager in it makes flashing stuff like the Vanilla Lock screen super easy (although it wouldn't automatically load into recovery the first time, so I just did it manually after downloading it).

 

[skittlesV1]

What is Nand? Fresh has its own OTA update kind of thing right? Does fresh support flash? What made you choose fresh over DC?

 

[SeriousBlack25]

I was with Fresh and switched to DamageControl b/c the pple at DC are more active and they got the new OTA available....im not hating on either ROM cause i originally came from Fresh since Hero

 

[gx1400]

What is Nand? Fresh has its own OTA update kind of thing right? Does fresh support flash? What made you choose fresh over DC?

<Notice: This is all from an amateur hobbyist, I just got my Evo last Tuesday and was running the stock OTA all week until it was rooted Monday around midnight, I'm still learning. But I am an electrical engineer and fairly tech savvy, so may be falsely confident about my understanding of this stuff>

I dunno how accurate this description is. In general NAND is a type of flash memory often used because it is non-volatile(sp?), pretty quick, and inexpensive compared to other memory technologies. I just say this so you aren't confused if you hear about NAND in something else.

In relation to the phone, I think its used to store all of the settings, application data, etc. To be able to read/write to it readily after unlocking (via Toast's part 2) makes backing up and restoring stuff much much much easier. As far as Fresh goes, I believe you have to have NAND w/r access or else when you flash it, it will go into a reboot loop forever and never load. If you do flash Fresh, expect at least one reboot loop, this is part of flashing and loading this ROM.

If you can load into recovery (hold volume down and power, then wait for it to finish its scans for files, then select Recovery.... or just reboot into recovery from ROM Manager or 'adb reboot recovery') then can do a nandroid->backup and then a restore you are fine.

Flash? I haven't tried. I can try when I get home, although I'm sure someone can answer that before I do. I don't have much of a need for flash on my phone, but I believe it may run Flash 10.1 lite. As I said, Don't know for sure.

Fresh vs DC: It was purely a matter of convienence and opinion. People I talked to on here and xda seemed to recommend Fresh more for a user like me who isn't huge into trouble shooting. I got my exposure to adb and flashing, but I'm still new to it. Fresh seems to work out of the box with 4G, camera, etc, so I'm satisfied at the moment. I haven't run into any problem.

Fresh Updater: Haven't used it yet to update a ROM, but I assume that is it's purpose. As new ROM versions are put out, it would be easier to flash using his util. It also allows you to flash in cool themes quickly and easily like Rosie's Rotating home screen, vanilla lock screen (w or w/o vanilla clock or weather, etc), and other stuff.

 

[skittlesV1]

Thank you gx1400. What is vanilla lock? Does fresh support flash lite? For websites and stuff and do you have you use custom roms to root?

 

[gx1400]

Thank you gx1400. What is vanilla lock? Does fresh support flash lite? For websites and stuff and do you have you use custom roms to root?

Flash Lite: I dunno. Haven't tried it. Anyone else know? I can get back to you when I get home tonight.

Vanilla lock: Its just a different lock screen that i like better (so far). But I just find out you loose some functionality like alarm snooze and stuff.

You do have to have a custom rom to root at the moment, although one of them out there is a totally stock with the new OTA and root enabled ([ROM] OTA 1.47.651.1 Rooted - De-odex'd version now up.... - xda-developers. But you DO have to flash it.

I like custom ROMs because they work in a lot of things like battery savings techniques and include some stuff like Wifi Tether when you flash. Also they usually get rid of the crapware from Sprint.

Don't ask me what odex v. de-odex is. You'll have to search for that yourself.

 

[skittlesV1]

Flash Lite: I dunno. Haven't tried it. Anyone else know? I can get back to you when I get home tonight.

Vanilla lock: Its just a different lock screen that i like better (so far). But I just find out you loose some functionality like alarm snooze and stuff.

You do have to have a custom rom to root at the moment, although one of them out there is a totally stock with the new OTA and root enabled ([ROM] OTA 1.47.651.1 Rooted - De-odex'd version now up.... - xda-developers. But you DO have to flash it.

I like custom ROMs because they work in a lot of things like battery savings techniques and include some stuff like Wifi Tether when you flash. Also they usually get rid of the crapware from Sprint.

Don't ask me what odex v. de-odex is. You'll have to search for that yourself.

what do you mean by "flash it" what is that? Is that the same thing as step 3 of simpleroot? Is this just like overwriting the current rom on the phone?

 

[gx1400]

Is this just like overwriting the current rom on the phone?

This.

 

[skittlesV1]

So what is unrevoked? Just a partial root? Does if use any stock rom or what does it actually do?

 

[gx1400]

Unrevoked is a "partial root" I guess. It allows you to run applications that require root, but it doesn't allow NAND r/w access, so you can't do nandroid backups and its still running a ROM infected with the crapware.

If you're worried about warranties and stuff, you can flash a rooted stock ROM then if anything happens with your phone where you have to return it, you can always flash it with the most recent RUU (RUUs are releases that are from HTC and are factory ROMs, everything stock. Removes anything you've done.

 

[skittlesV1]

Unrevoked is a "partial root" I guess. It allows you to run applications that require root, but it doesn't allow NAND r/w access, so you can't do nandroid backups and its still running a ROM infected with the crapware.

If you're worried about warranties and stuff, you can flash a rooted stock ROM then if anything happens with your phone where you have to return it, you can always flash it with the most recent RUU (RUUs are releases that are from HTC and are factory ROMs, everything stock. Removes anything you've done.

Im not really worried. Im just curious and trying to learn. I think if my phone breaks or something ill say its lost or throw it in water first because im going to get the 7$ sprint insurance.