iPhone 4 problems.

[xzillerationer]

I think that the iPhone 4 antenna problem was intentional. I have no proof to back this up, nor do I know much about this, but, according to Service Recovery Paradox, consumer demand will go up after they fixed the problem. Let me refer to Wikipedia Service recovery paradox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Again, I really have no idea what I'm talking about, I'm just putting it out. Please don't mock me.

 

[Deleted User]

That makes sense, who the hell puts an antenna where your hand goes when you're on the phone. Especially Apple.

 

[LoyalServant]

It's possible I guess.
Thing is, not all of these fanboys like the idea that they have to put a case on their shiny shiny.
The case is the 'solution' to the problem and it's not one they want.
They are still flaming mad about it, just that the press let it die after Jobs deflected his issues onto other companies.... so far nobody has been able to produce Apple's claims without putting phones in faraday cages or cupping half the device with both hands.

His stab at deflecting it emboldened a lot of the fanboys and made them 'feel' better about their purchase despite the fact that the issue all this time was not about signal degradation when holding it, but about total signal loss when touched in a certain location.
Nobody ever said there was no signal degradation on other devices, but there is not a signal 'loss' when touched in a certain location.

Besides.. Apple and AT&T already said that they sold some 80% of iPhone 4s to existing iPhone users, and their market share is dropping.. not going up.

I don't think the couple hundred thousand 'new' iPhone users they added is going to help their market share when Google and co is going 160k a day.

But we will see..... I am still waiting for the iPad to kill netbooks.

 

[LoyalServant]

who the hell puts an antenna where your hand goes when you're on the phone. Especially Apple.

Inexperienced cell phone makers... like Apple.
If it was a good idea Nokia, HTC, Motorola, etc would have been doing it... but it's not and that is why nobody else did it.

 

[ari-free]

I think that the iPhone 4 antenna problem was intentional. I have no proof to back this up, nor do I know much about this, but, according to Service Recovery Paradox, consumer demand will go up after they fixed the problem. Let me refer to Wikipedia Service recovery paradox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Again, I really have no idea what I'm talking about, I'm just putting it out. Please don't mock me.

It was intentionally defective by design. This wasn't a design flaw such as a few dead pixels or glue that wasn't fully dry on some phones. Steve Jobs wanted an exposed antenna that could be shorted because he thought a phone made out of glass with a metal band would be very stylish. A true fix would require more than a complete redesign. It requires a complete change in attitude, that common engineering sense shouldn't go out the window in order to look shiny.

 

[Hrethgir]

I don't think they did this intentionally to get people to love them for fixing the problem at all. I think they knew about the problem and then put it out anyways because Apple, and especially Steve Jobs, are incredibly arrogant and figured they could get away with it because, well, it's an Apple product, and Apple fanbois will line up to buy any new iProduct even if it isn't good. But to the general public, this is really tarnishing Apples omnipotent image as being able to do no wrong, and the initial responses made them look even worse.

"It's not the phone, you're just holding it wrong!"
"It's not the phone, the software had a glitch, that's all!"
"It's not the phone, it's the AT&T network!"
"OK, it's the phone, have a free case."

I think Apple felt really rushed to get the iPhone4 out because of all the momentum Android was building up, and ignored smallish problems in an effort to get it out with as many "innovations" as possible. And they got an epic backfire from it. But this is just my speculation, and we'll never know for sure, because Jobs and Apple will never admit to anything unless there is overwhelming proof against them, and even then, it's iffy. Only thing we can hope for is someone who gets fired from Apple and is bitter with an axe to grind AND has knowledge of this whole fiasco. But Jobs will probably make sure they had an unfortunate "accident" before they got to the press.

 

[LoyalServant]

But this is just my speculation, and we'll never know for sure, because Jobs and Apple will never admit to anything unless there is overwhelming proof against them, and even then, it's iffy.

Like a good spin doctor Jobs changed the debate.
The complaint initially was that the iPhone 4 - AND NO OTHER PHONE - dropped over 20dBm when touched in a certain location by a single finger.

He turned it into 'look! all phones have signal loss when you grip them tightly!
This was never debated, never questioned, and admitted by everyone.

So, now even WITH overwhelming proof they won't admit it.

 

[Hrethgir]

Like a good spin doctor Jobs changed the debate.
The complaint initially was that the iPhone 4 - AND NO OTHER PHONE - dropped over 20dBm when touched in a certain location by a single finger.

He turned it into 'look! all phones have signal loss when you grip them tightly!
This was never debated, never questioned, and admitted by everyone.

So, now even WITH overwhelming proof they won't admit it.

Good point. The way he tried to drag other phones into it when nobody has been complaining about them was just BS. I have an iPhone 3Gs right now, my first and probably last Apple product. I really hate the way that company conducts business, can't wait to get out from under their thumb.

 

[jree]

 

[Roxors]

Not to mention that half the reports that i have read about this stated that the phone designers told MR CEO know-it-all that the way he was thinking it was a bad idea.

But he knew what was best and now they get "free cases" to make up for a overprice over teched paper weight. (btw only over teched cause you can't even make calls on a iphone, did i mention this was a phone)