Liberals are...smarter!

[hakr100]

Liberals and Atheists Smarter? Intelligent People Have Values Novel in Human Evolutionary History, Study Finds

ScienceDaily (Feb. 24, 2010)

 

[TheBeardedMann]

Well, I feel that my IQ went down just by reading that.

 

[mpw]

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[smacky]

Well, I feel that my IQ went down just by reading that.

Yup. Same here. People are out doing these "studies" instead of finding cures for Cancer. Oh wait, we're supposed to walk 14K to raise money for that one.

 

[Rota]

I don't think a study is needed to show that atheists are smarter than religious folk.

Atheist: "We are here because of millions of years of evolution and natural selection."
Religion: "We are here because a huge invisible being lit a match, farted, and created the universe. Humans lived with dinosaurs. If you disagree you'll be punished. lolz"

Pretty cut and dry to me.

However, the study doesn't show that liberals are smarter, just that some liberal views go hand in hand with atheism.

 

[TheBeardedMann]

Religion: "We are here because a huge invisible being lit a match, farted, and created the universe. Humans lived with dinosaurs. If you disagree you'll be punished. lolz"

I must have missed that sermon in church.
I really hate when people say you are a complete idiot for having a different view.

 

[hakr100]

Originally Posted by Rota
Religion: "We are here because a huge invisible being lit a match, farted, and created the universe. Humans lived with dinosaurs. If you disagree you'll be punished. lolz"

I must have missed that sermon in church.
I really hate when people say you are a complete idiot for having a different view.

There are many fundamentalist christian churches in the USA where, basically, what Rota posted is preached. Well, without taking the match part too literally. There's a fundamentalist christian museum where there are exhibits and diorama showing men and women interacting with dinosaurs. There are fundamentalist christians holding elected office who believe in the end of days and that it is near, and therefore they feel there is no real harm in ignoring societal and environmental problems.

Is someone a "complete idiot" for denying science in favor of believing in a lot of religious nonsense? It depends. If you really believe the earth is around 6000 years old and that men and dinosaurs walked among each other, then, yes, I think you are a complete idiot.

 

[mpw]

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[Rota]

YouTube - 18 Kids and Counting: Creationist Museum

Truly makes me sick.

 

[CyD]

Yup. Same here. People are out doing these "studies" instead of finding cures for Cancer. Oh wait, we're supposed to walk 14K to raise money for that one.

Lol, what a fallacious line of reasoning.

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I must have missed that sermon in church.
I really hate when people say you are a complete idiot for having a different view.

Just because your view is different doesn't mean it's as valid as the opposing view. People don't criticize creationism because it's different or because it's a minority, they criticize it because it's complete junk.

Lets keep in mind that this study has been peer-reviewed so they aren't pulling this stuff out of their asses.

 

[copestag]

Lol, what a fallacious line of reasoning.

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Just because your view is different doesn't mean it's as valid as the opposing view. People don't criticize creationism because it's different or because it's a minority, they criticize it because it's complete junk.

Lets keep in mind that this study has been peer-reviewed so they aren't pulling this stuff out of their asses.

global warming is peer reviewed also...........

 

[Intervenient]

I'm just always baffled on how easily people dismiss creationism. What proof is there that a deity does not exist? Who's to say that all our scientific discoveries are part of the universe that a god created?

 

[ckelly33]

If you haven't done more than take evolution at face value, then you wouldn't recognize the giant gaps and leaps of "faith" that it requires to believe in evolutionary theory. In many instances, there is very little science present, hence the label "theory".

Creationism and/or certainly takes "faith" as well. I just don't have enough faith in what I have seen to be an atheist.

 

[hakr100]

I'm just always baffled on how easily people dismiss creationism. What proof is there that a deity does not exist? Who's to say that all our scientific discoveries are part of the universe that a god created?

Show me the proof that a deity exists.

 

[Intervenient]

Show me the proof that a deity exists.

I never said I had proof that one exists. I just asked to show proof that it doesn't. I never claimed there was a god, as much as I claimed that there wasn't.

 

[Rota]

I never said I had proof that one exists. I just asked to show proof that it doesn't. I never claimed there was a god, as much as I claimed that there wasn't.

*yawn*

Same old recycled logical fallacies. You can't prove a negative. The burden of proof is on the believers.

 

[smacky]

Just because your view is different doesn't mean it's as valid as the opposing view. People don't criticize creationism because it's different or because it's a minority, they criticize it because it's complete junk.

Lets keep in mind that this study has been peer-reviewed so they aren't pulling this stuff out of their asses.

Plenty of things in science are peer-reviewed but are proven wrong or flops. Ask Christa McAuliffe. If she had a second chance she'd "peer-review" the **** out of the launching pad and her shuttle and she'd still be in six different counties twenty minutes later.

Science has failed many times. It's cliche but there is no 100% answer for either side on the matter. If you're anxious to find out, make a Clorox-Drano martini and let us know from the other side if there is a God.

I'm not making a case for either side here. I'm saying no one will be right until we all die and see for ourselves.

 

[IOWA]

I don't think a study is needed to show that atheists are smarter than religious folk.

Atheist: "We are here because of millions of years of evolution and natural selection."
Religion: "We are here because a huge invisible being lit a match, farted, and created the universe. Humans lived with dinosaurs. If you disagree you'll be punished. lolz"

Pretty cut and dry to me.

However, the study doesn't show that liberals are smarter, just that some liberal views go hand in hand with atheism.

Agreed. I lean conservative, but on many issues I stand right in the middle. Both etremes on both sides are riduculous. To agree with everything or mostof a "party" agrees with is pure... crap. I don't let people or media influence my decisions.

Odd though, I am a monogmoist, always been nocturnal,(actually I don't sleep much at all, but I prefer night time. Coller weather, no sunburn, and the sun bothers my eyes on really bright days), and I don't believe in some all powerful being. However liberalism at its core, some of the parties views are just down right.. dumb.

 

[CyD]

global warming is peer reviewed also...........

Global Warming is a theory comprised of thousands of scientific studies, mostly peer-reviewed, some not. Furthermore, I'm not quite sure what your point is.

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I'm just always baffled on how easily people dismiss creationism. What proof is there that a deity does not exist? Who's to say that all our scientific discoveries are part of the universe that a god created?

Look up "Burden of Proof" and "God of the Gaps" in Google if you want your answers.

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If you haven't done more than take evolution at face value, then you wouldn't recognize the giant gaps and leaps of "faith" that it requires to believe in evolutionary theory. In many instances, there is very little science present, hence the label "theory".

I get the impression that you don't quite understand what the word "theory" means in the scientific context.

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Plenty of things in science are peer-reviewed but are proven wrong or flops. Ask Christa McAuliffe. If she had a second chance she'd "peer-review" the **** out of the launching pad and her shuttle and she'd still be in six different counties twenty minutes later.

Science has failed many times. [insert rest of post here]

Of course! That's what makes science so successful. It thrives on being proven wrong and being corrected. Creationism, on the other hand, isn't falsifiable. This means that assumes it's position as "correct" without being tested, observed, etc (and the rest of the scientific method that you learned in elemtary school)... Because of this, no one can really tell whether it is correct or not and as a result there isn't any valid reason to believe in it.

 

[WAdude]

Science never really made sense to me especially that "big bang" thing. I mean, if the Newton guy says "Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it." And the Universe back then was simply nothing, then how did it become something, when there was nothing. I mean you cant make nothing out of nothing. Thats like, dividing by zero. It doesnt make sense.

 

[CyD]

Science never really made sense to me especially that "big bang" thing. I mean, if the Newton guy says "Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it." And the Universe back then was simply nothing, then how did it become something, when there was nothing. I mean you cant make nothing out of nothing. Thats like, dividing by zero. It doesnt make sense.

The fact that you don't understand the Big Bang Theory isn't it's fault, but your own. Even the Wikipedia article clearly states that before the Big Bang, the universe was a singularity.

Furthermore, just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it isn't true.

 

[Zenze]

I get the impression that you don't quite understand what the word "theory" means in the scientific context.

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This will give you every answer you could possibly ask for.

I HATE it when people say "oh its just a theory" when they have no idea what a theory is in regards to the scientific method.

Theory: A theory is more like a scientific law than a hypothesis. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. One scientist cannot create a theory; he can only create a hypothesis.

 

[Zenze]

I'm just always baffled on how easily people dismiss creationism. What proof is there that a deity does not exist? Who's to say that all our scientific discoveries are part of the universe that a god created?

What proof is there that unicorns don't exits... or zeus or faries or whatever. Logically it seems impossible to prove that something does not exists unless it violates a law of physics.

 

[WAdude]

The fact that you don't understand the Big Bang Theory isn't it's fault, but your own. Even the Wikipedia article clearly states that before the Big Bang, the universe was a singularity.

Furthermore, just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it isn't true.

Ok. So explain to me in detail. What happened before the Universe? What made what made the Universe? Why did matter just coincidently decide to form itself into humans who have emotions?

 

[Rota]

Ok. So explain to me in detail. What happened before the Universe? What made what made the Universe? Why did matter just coincidently decide to form itself into humans who have emotions?

If you're going to move from one argument out of ignorance to another, how about this one:

What made the Christian god?