movies on vibrant

[rayn1328]

just got the vibrant a few days ago and ill probably lose my job because i cant put the thing down,what a great phone. now the question i see it comes with avatar, having sold that p.o.s. tmobile htc hd2 winmo 6.5,is there a way of finding the transformer movies to install on vibrant,or is that unethical ? thanks

 

[w_bovine]

just got the vibrant a few days ago and ill probably lose my job because i cant put the thing down,what a great phone. now the question i see it comes with avatar, having sold that p.o.s. tmobile htc hd2 winmo 6.5,is there a way of finding the transformer movies to install on vibrant,or is that unethical ? thanks

A similar thread was started recently. You might want to take a look:

http://androidforums.com/samsung-vibrant/177060-blurays-my-samsung-vibrant.html

If you're thinking of trying to find torrents for a particular movie, you're definitely in the wrong and won't get support for that out here.

 

[Datjuliusdroid]

My brother did the same thing except when he turned his htc 2, he kept the 16 gig that it came w( transformers 1 & 2 are on sd card). Maybe u can go back to tmobile and they will let u copy the one u returned onto your phone( ive heard of them doing that in some regions. Also check out my "bluray on my vibrant" thread in vibrant forum. Let me know if this helps u out?

 

[rayn1328]

thx bovine as i posted it was also an ethics question not looking for torrents. i backed up avatar this time as not to lose it on a factory reset like i did on hd2. thanks again. im new here and digging all the tips, tricks and help. great site for old ppl newbies!!!

 

[w_bovine]

thx bovine as i posted it was also an ethics question not looking for torrents. i backed up avatar this time as not to lose it on a factory reset like i did on hd2. thanks again. im new here and digging all the tips, tricks and help. great site for old ppl newbies!!!

Sure thing. I wasn't trying to accuse you of anything when I mentioned the torrents, rather to mention how it's technically illegal and such things are not supported on the forums. If you have legally purchased or otherwise obtained a given movie of TV show, by all means find a program that can convert it to your phone and go for it!

Good thinking on backing up Avatar. I did the same thing, although I very well may never watch it. And by the way, since the movie is on the external SD card, you don't have to worry about a factory reset whacking it.

 

[Aiyan]

Sure thing. I wasn't trying to accuse you of anything when I mentioned the torrents, rather to mention how it's technically illegal and such things are not supported on the forums. If you have legally purchased or otherwise obtained a given movie of TV show, by all means find a program that can convert it to your phone and go for it!

Good thinking on backing up Avatar. I did the same thing, although I very well may never watch it. And by the way, since the movie is on the external SD card, you don't have to worry about a factory reset whacking it.

No... you beat me to it!

Well, we don't advertise pirating here at this forum. So what you do outside ain't really our problem or something we need to do about.

But as long as you have bought the tv series or movie, you are free to make backup for your own good. So watching on phone is not the biggest problem.

But always back up your things, always. Like he said, even though its on SD card. Just have one or two versions of it somewhere else, so if you lose it - you can get it back.

 

[kansas city_charger]

Dammit I have a HD2, maybe I will copy both movies over to my Vibrant and see if it works.

 

[jkcheng122]

Here's an ethics question:
Is it still wrong to download torrents of a Blu-ray rip and use Handbrake to re-encode the movie for the Vibrant if one owns the Blu-ray disc? It certainly is easier and faster than ripping the retail Blu-ray yourself.

 

[w_bovine]

Here's an ethics question:
Is it still wrong to download torrents of a Blu-ray rip and use Handbrake to re-encode the movie for the Vibrant if one owns the Blu-ray disc? It certainly is easier and faster than ripping the retail Blu-ray yourself.

I wouldn't have a problem with that myself, but that's just me. The problem with torrents is that sometimes people slip undesirable things into files and...do some companies still do this?...your ISP may throttle your connection speed and if you do a lot of torrent downloading may get nasty and threaten to cut you off.

I have little doubt however that technically it would be illegal, as it would constitute the unauthorized distribution of copyrighted material.

 

[jkcheng122]

I wouldn't have a problem with that myself, but that's just me. The problem with torrents is that sometimes people slip undesirable things into files and...do some companies still do this?...your ISP may throttle your connection speed and if you do a lot of torrent downloading may get nasty and threaten to cut you off.

I have little doubt however that technically it would be illegal, as it would constitute the unauthorized distribution of copyrighted material.

Yeah, but I think even using foreign programs to rip your retail BDs is illegal. Or they let you just make 1 copy while most of us want a copy for our phones, one on DVD for car use and perhaps other non-BD players in the home.

 

[w_bovine]

Yeah, but I think even using foreign programs to rip your retail BDs is illegal. Or they let you just make 1 copy while most of us want a copy for our phones, one on DVD for car use and perhaps other non-BD players in the home.

It is. You're not allowed to circumvent copyright protection in the U.S. Yeah, I agree it's stupid and generally just makes things more difficult for honest people wanting to use what they've purchased on whatever device they choose. Unless the copyright holder specifically says you can make a copy, technically you can't.

 

[spiz]

It's only illegal if you get caught, and ethics on this topic is a relative subject because everyone's interpretation differs. We have many laws in this country that are completely pointless, so to say something is morally and ethically wrong because of legality (or lack of) is moot.

 

[w_bovine]

It's only illegal if you get caught, and ethics on this topic is a relative subject because everyone's interpretation differs. We have many laws in this country that are completely pointless, so to say something is morally and ethically wrong because of legality (or lack of) is moot.

I see you are a practitioner of situational ethics. Something is legal or illegal per established law, regardless is one is caught or not.

 

[spiz]

I see you are a practitioner of situational ethics. Something is legal or illegal per established law, regardless is one is caught or not.

Yeah I was kind of kidding on that part... but legality will never determine whether or not something is ethical. For example, is it ethically wrong to not wear a seat belt? Smoke marijuana? We need to remember that a lot of laws were designed as a source of income for the state, rather than a means to protect liberties.

This reminds me of the never ending annoying debates in ethics class in college. And sorry, this literally has nothing to do with Android. I'll stop.

 

[w_bovine]

Yeah I was kind of kidding on that part... but legality will never determine whether or not something is ethical. For example, is it ethically wrong to not wear a seat belt? Smoke marijuana? We need to remember that a lot of laws were designed as a source of income for the state, rather than a means to protect liberties.

This reminds me of the never ending annoying debates in ethics class in college. And sorry, this literally has nothing to do with Android. I'll stop.

Oh trust me, I concur that there are a lot of stupid laws. As far as ethics goes, consider the first part of Proverbs 21:2 (and no, I'm not endorsing Christianity, merely making a point): Every man's way is right in his own eyes, But the LORD weighs the hearts.

I'm of the thinking that ethics/morality isn't something that can be legislated. And you're darn right I do 80 on the freeway coming home from work!

 

[krichek]

It is. You're not allowed to circumvent copyright protection in the U.S. Yeah, I agree it's stupid and generally just makes things more difficult for honest people wanting to use what they've purchased on whatever device they choose. Unless the copyright holder specifically says you can make a copy, technically you can't.

There is two distinct parts to the DMCA that is at play here, the first being circumvention. I do not believe there has ever been a case brought against and individual with regards to circumvention, i.e. ripping a CD, DVD, or Bluray etc.

There have however, been cases brought against individuals and companies for the second part, which makes it "illegal to manufacture or distribute circumvention tools". I personally think if all you are doing is making a "personal copy" for yourself then there is no way the RIAA/MPAA etc is ever going to bring a case against you since they are clearly aware that they benefit from the fear that is created by the ambiguity in the law.

As to one of the previous posts, I believe what the poster was referring to was a change made earlier this year. Which now makes circumvention legal in some cases. What's New : OGC.

 

[w_bovine]

There is two distinct parts to the DMCA that is at play here, the first being circumvention. I do not believe there has ever been a case brought against and individual with regards to circumvention, i.e. ripping a CD, DVD, or Bluray etc.

There have however, been cases brought against individuals and companies for the second part, which makes it "illegal to manufacture or distribute circumvention tools". I personally think if all you are doing is making a "personal copy" for yourself then there is no way the RIAA/MPAA etc is ever going to bring a case against you since they are clearly aware that they benefit from the fear that is created by the ambiguity in the law.

As to one of the previous posts, I believe what the poster was referring to was a change made earlier this year. Which now makes circumvention legal in some cases. What's New : OGC.

Indeed, I've never heard of a case against an individual for ripping a movie for private use. It would, I think, be rather absurd for MPAA to pursue such a thing. They don't hesitate to deal with anything involving distribution however.

Thanks for the link to that clarifies the exemption mentioned earlier. I do remember now hearing something about it, but clearly it doesn't apply to individuals for private use or for uploading portions of a copyrighted work to YouTube.

And again, you'll notice virtually all the commercial programs that circumvent any copy protection are not sold by companies in the U.S. Didn't RealNetworks try to pull this off recently? They ended up getting shut down cold.

 

[Kubernetes]

It's not illegal to rip your own media for your own personal use. If you're making backup copies or to put on your other devices, that's within the realm of fair use, no matter what tools you use. The tools may be illegal to make or distribute, but there's nothing illegal about your using it as an end-user.

 

[w_bovine]

It's not illegal to rip your own media for your own personal use. If you're making backup copies or to put on your other devices, that's within the realm of fair use, no matter what tools you use. The tools may be illegal to make or distribute, but there's nothing illegal about your using it as an end-user.

Yes it is. It's considered a reasonable thing to do by most people, myself included, but any way you look at it it's technically illegal. Read through this thread if you haven't already:

http://androidforums.com/samsung-vibrant/177060-blurays-my-samsung-vibrant.html

I just posted a few links too, one of which is this one:

DailyTech - U.S. Court Rules Consumers Never Have the Right to Copy DVD Movies

About fair use:

http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html

http://www-sul.stanford.edu/cpyright.html

Fair use is an oft mistaken concept. It simply doesn't apply to individuals as they usually think it does.

I'm not saying I'm against a person who legally obtains a DVD/Blu-ray/whatever and making a copy to use on a different device or as a backup. I'm simply pointing out what has become established law.

 

[Kubernetes]

That DailyTech headline is terrible. Never trust normal media (especially tech sites!) to report on legal decisions. The case had nothing dispositive to say about consumers' fair use rights to copy their own media. Even if it did comment on such rights, that commentary would be dicta (i.e. not controlling law, not dispositive, and not a precedent) because that wasn't the issue before the court, nor was the issue essential to resovling the actual case. The case had to do with a creator and distributor of a tool that helped break copyright protections.

On the other hand, the right of consumers to copy their own media under fair use exceptions has long been recognized in Federal court, and the DMCA explicitly says that it is not intended to overturn or disturb long-established fair use protections. AFAIK, no post-DMCA case has directly addressed the consumer copying issue, but I would think it would be protected both under prior precedent and the DMCA itself (and possibly under the Constitution itself if fair use protections are seen to be derived directly from it).