Root Enough is Enough..

[northernmoris]

Enough is enough, right. For a open source platform, Motorola has really screwed the pooch. Why are they not willing to work with their customers.. What will they do when they introduce their next phone and a lot of people jump off their bandwagon. At this point there's going to be issues between Verizon and Motorola, with all the returned phones and customer service issues. Why don't they see that if they keep there customers happy, we will continue to back their product.

Someone should create a petition for all of us to sign./ rant..

 

[Dark Matter]

I think this will be my last moto phone..Unless if by some miracle the Droid X2 will have a stock android system..and no efuse.

 

[phobic]

I'm going to go "out on a limb" and say most people that buy these types of phones don't hack/root/jailbreak them. As long as people keep buying the phones, nothing is going to change.

I'm not saying you're wrong (and this may be my last Moto phone as well), but ultimately all you can do is vote with your wallet.

 

[MadlibTheBadKid]

Its the free wifi tether I imagine.
Thats $20 a month, a customer verizon is losing out on. Money talks.
Other than that, I don't know why they would care.

 

[ByTheNumbers]

I'm going to go "out on a limb" and say most people that buy these types of phones don't hack/root/jailbreak them. As long as people keep buying the phones, nothing is going to change.

I'm not saying you're wrong (and this may be my last Moto phone as well), but ultimately all you can do is vote with your wallet.

This. Even though there's a bunch of us, we're still the minority by a long shot.

Point in case: I recommended this phone to my father in law and he loves it. When I received my phone I actually texted him and apologized, not realizing how much work would be needed to make it a desirable phone from the software point-of-view (deblurring, getting flash, root, unlocked bootloader, etc). He had no clue, or interest, in what I was talking about. You should see his homescreens. Jam-PACKED full of blur crap...contacts, widgets, etc. It's horrid. And he thinks it's cooler than cool. I tried explaining root, vanilla android, and all I got was a look from him.

Vanilla FroYo to him is ugly. Blur is neat and syncs facebook "stuff". My argument is invalid to him.


Also, I bought this phone simply for the hardware. I know/knew the tenacity of the Android community and that a Vanilla/Unlocked Bootloader would be inevitable. That being said, this will be my last Motorola (and was my first) phone, simply due to their stance on the Open Source project and the Community in General. I felt much more proud holding my old N1 than this phone.

 

[D13]

This. Even though there's a bunch of us, we're still the minority by a long shot.

Point in case: I recommended this phone to my father in law and he loves it. When I received my phone I actually texted him and apologized, not realizing how much work would be needed to make it a desirable phone from the software point-of-view (deblurring, getting flash, root, etc). He had no clue, or interest, in what I was talking about. You should see his homescreens. Jam-PACKED full of blur crap...contacts, widgets, etc. It's horrid. And he thinks it's cooler than cool. I tried explaining root, vanilla android, and all I got was a look from him.

Vanilla FroYo to him is ugly. Blur is neat and syncs facebook "stuff". My argument is invalid to him.

yeah one of my friends said that he loved this phone. And I saw his home screens and they were, again like you said, filled with every single ugly blur widget. I mean those things are ugly, all you got to do is make it black and semi-transparent and you got a good widget. But those things are the weirdest colors oh yeah and he also had the beautiful widgets live wallpaper oh well to each his own

 

[Pointguard1122]

While I love this phone, I am sure it will be my last Moto as well. This was a Dbag move by Moto that IMO borders on lawsuit. The SC has already said jailbreaking a phone and unlocking it to other carriers is our right. Now they intentionally break numberous phones JUST to fight with the modding community. I am pretty sure I am done with Moto.

 

[D13]

In reference to thread

I will always be getting the phone that has the best hardware at the time, and as soon as a 1.5 ghz phone comes out I will be getting it.

So I really disagree with moto's stance but the X had the best hardware

 

[Dark Matter]

D13 im interested in knowing what ppls opinions are on purchasing another Motorola phone..you think you can make a poll asking if the DX will be your last moto phone..being that it has efuse and all that suff?

 

[Justintoxicated]

In reference to thread

I will always be getting the phone that has the best hardware at the time, and as soon as a 1.5 ghz phone comes out I will be getting it.

So I really disagree with moto's stance but the X had the best hardware

I chose the DX over the Samsung knowing that the samsung galaxy s had better hardware, still not sure I made the right decision. I have a few days left to change my mind still.

 

[anaphora68]

Here's the deal with Moto. They make decent hardware, but they are major a-holes. Look what they're doing with the Droid 2. Now there's a World Edition?

This is the RAZR all over again. You'll see a Droid-2 Premium, a Droid-2i, a Droid-X2, etc, etc, etc.

They will milk the platform for all it's worth.

Right now, I'm regretting giving my wife my Fascinate.

I love the Droid X. The hardware is amazing. I have a problem with Motorola itself.

 

[D13]

D13 im interested in knowing what ppls opinions are on purchasing another Motorola phone..you think you can make a poll asking if the DX will be your last moto phone..being that it has efuse and all that suff?

yeah you can if you want

I chose the DX over the Samsung knowing that the samsung galaxy s had better hardware, still not sure I made the right decision. I have a few days left to change my mind still.

I think the X has better hardware for me vs the fascinate

But I was considering returning the in favor of the fascinate if the devs had made no progress...but they did

Good thing I got another update waiting for me when ever I want it

 

[scary alien]

D13 im interested in knowing what ppls opinions are on purchasing another Motorola phone..you think you can make a poll asking if the DX will be your last moto phone..being that it has efuse and all that suff?

Lol....I bought the X in part because of the shenanigans that HTC was pulling with the Eris in regards to how long it took for the 2.1 update (the last that phone will ever officially see (still only 10 months old)).

The other half of my decision was that it (the X) was (and still is, IMO) the best phone out there (I love the monster 4.3 inch screen).

I knew about the locked bootloader before I bought the X (did my research this time ) and 99% of what I want the phone to do it does without rooting or needing a custom ROM. I wish the BL wasn't locked, but root will get me virtually all that I need, acknowledging that others still want to do more.

We're likely to see the other manufacturers tighten things (their bootloaders) up too...

You might not want to buy another Motorola phone, but it might end-up being the lesser of two (or three?) evils by the time you're ready for your next phone.

 

[SFWB]

oh yeah and he also had the beautiful widgets live wallpaper oh well to each his own

What's wrong with BW? I like my BW live wallpaper.

I had no desire to root or do any of this stuff when I got my X. But now, I am kinda pissed about them being a-holes about it.

 

[D13]

What's wrong with BW? I like my BW live wallpaper.

I had no desire to root or do any of this stuff when I got my X. But now, I am kinda pissed about them being a-holes about it.

like I said to each his own

if the other carriers lock down their bootloaders, then why android?

samsung knows they have to have an unlocked bootloader to sell their phones

 

[kappo9000]

Lol....I bought the X in part because of the shenanigans that HTC was pulling with the Eris in regards to how long it took for the 2.1 update (the last that phone will ever officially see (still only 10 months old)).

The other half of my decision was that it (the X) was (and still is, IMO) the best phone out there (I love the monster 4.3 inch screen).

I knew about the locked bootloader before I bought the X (did my research this time ) and 99% of what I want the phone to do it does without rooting or needing a custom ROM. I wish the BL wasn't locked, but root will get me virtually all that I need, acknowledging that others still want to do more.

We're likely to see the other manufacturers tighten things (their bootloaders) up too...

You might not want to buy another Motorola phone, but it might end-up being the lesser of two (or three?) evils by the time you're ready for your next phone.

It isn't NOW that I am worried about. The phone is fine as of right now, even stock. It's 7 months down the road when the hardware is midgrade and I want to squeeze every last bit out of it and get stuff that I might not unless I can do my own thing. Once attention is off the X, then the coolest features will be a thing of the past for us.

I want to own my phone instead of being told what I want.

This is my first Moto, and, if they continue down this path, my last. Since I dictate what gets bought for my entire company (4k + phones), I can vote with alot of wallet.

 

[hahaha what]

I think this will be my last moto phone..Unless if by some miracle the Droid X2 will have a stock android system..and no efuse.

hey can you please educate us about why the efuse contributes toward making this your last moto phone?

 

[scary alien]

It isn't NOW that I am worried about. The phone is fine as of right now, even stock. It's 7 months down the road when the hardware is midgrade and I want to squeeze every last bit out of it and get stuff that I might not unless I can do my own thing. Once attention is off the X, then the coolest features will be a thing of the past for us.

I want to own my phone instead of being told what I want.

This is my first Moto, and, if they continue down this path, my last. Since I dictate what gets bought for my entire company (4k + phones), I can vote with alot of wallet.

+1, man, +1 (I do agree with you). Sounds like your "vote" will count more than most folks .

I have tweaked my Eris quite a bit (not nearly as much as a lot of folks, but a lot of that is because the X is now my primary phone (but that also gave me the freedom to play with tweaking my Eris--I didn't want to goober-up my primary phone)).

By the way, welcome to Android Forums!

Cheers!

 

[kappo9000]

hey can you please educate us about why the efuse contributes toward making this your last moto phone?

For me, it's the ability to extend the life of the phone a few more months or a year before I need to upgrade. The open source community does it better than ANY company can.

If you really need evidence of that, just look at the blur widgets. I'm probably the crappiest programmer ever (which is why I usually just don't) and *I* made a better power control widget than they did.

 

[Piiman]

Lol....I bought the X in part because of the shenanigans that HTC was pulling with the Eris in regards to how long it took for the 2.1 update (the last that phone will ever officially see (still only 10 months old)).

The other half of my decision was that it (the X) was (and still is, IMO) the best phone out there (I love the monster 4.3 inch screen).

I knew about the locked bootloader before I bought the X (did my research this time ) and 99% of what I want the phone to do it does without rooting or needing a custom ROM. I wish the BL wasn't locked, but root will get me virtually all that I need, acknowledging that others still want to do more.

We're likely to see the other manufacturers tighten things (their bootloaders) up too...

You might not want to buy another Motorola phone, but it might end-up being the lesser of two (or three?) evils by the time you're ready for your next phone.

To me its not about the locked boot loader. I knew it and even got lots of heat (and gave some) to those that thought the boot loader should be open. My beef is how they are going about trying to keep locked. Its underhanded BS and I just had my account closed (at my request) on Moto sites after telling them as much. Has far as Hardware if the Incredible had a screen this size I'd still have it.. While its hardware is slightly less than the X its software is much better IMO. I never had to wait 10 seconds for an applications list on my Dinc or even close to it. It was more responsive by far than my X.

 

[scary alien]

To me its not about the locked boot loader. I knew it and even got lots of heat (and gave some) to those that thought the boot loader should be open. My beef is how they are going about trying to keep locked. Its underhanded BS and I just had my account closed (at my request) on Moto sites after telling them as much. Has far as Hardware if the Incredible had a screen this size I'd still have it.. While its hardware is slightly less than the X its software is much better IMO. I never had to wait 10 seconds for an applications list on my Dinc or even close to it. It was more responsive by far than my X.

I'm sure I'd actually feel more strongly about it (much closer to you, in fact) if Motorola does sunset the X as quickly as HTC/VZW did the Eris.

I'm sure Motorola has some very good business reasons (which I've not bothered to try to research or fathom ) and I wish all phones were open like the original Droid and the Nexus One. I'll bet one of their reasons is to keep turn-over (or "churn") happening at whatever rate the market will bear (i.e., to sell more phones), which means that some folks will not be happy with the given life-span of a given phone model.

My feelings might very well change, but I hope not (and suspect not since I expect the X to be able to handle all of the desired O/S upgrades for a while (certainly Gingerbread, hopefully Honeycomb)). But, I've had my hopes dashed before...

edit/P.S. I've missed you guys on the Droid X forums (you guys are fun to hang-around with)...I've been trying to stay up-to-date, but there's soooo many threads and posts to read through...

 

[ByTheNumbers]

What I don't get it is...why? Why is Moto being such a big tool about this? I mean, who really cares? If they still move X amount of units, who cares if a bunch of nerds are able to mod their devices and load custom stuff up on them? It's like buying a Dell computer but not being "allowed" to install Linux because they don't want you dicking around with "their" hardware.

I simply don't understand why Motorola cares 1. enough to make us not able to do it and 2. so much so to intentionally stop us via C&D orders and updating releases. It's like they're going out of their way just to push crappy software on a small community of hackers. We're not that big of a threat to the entire enterprise.

 

[colchiro]

I'm going to go "out on a limb" and say most people that buy these types of phones don't hack/root/jailbreak them.

You left out the part about all these people having problems due to rooting, uninstalling apps and altering settings, changing bootloaders and what not. THEN they rely on Moto support staff to fix their F-ups, when they can't update or can't get past the "M" at start.

There's a reason they lock them.

 

[Pointguard1122]

It is not that they lock them. Most of us have no desire to go to Moto for support. But why do they have to intentionally brick phones? They clearly knew about the leak. They then altered the final release of Froyo with a new bootloader signature. They knew exactly what they were doing. They bricked these phones as punishment to us that installed the leak.

 

[kappo9000]

You left out the part about all these people having problems due to rooting, uninstalling apps and altering settings, changing bootloaders and what not. THEN they rely on Moto support staff to fix their F-ups, when they can't update or can't get past the "M" at start.

There's a reason they lock them.

No matter how you look at it, it's a bad business decision.

1) People who mod their phones will be FAR less inclined to purchase products that do not allow them to do what they want.

2) Paying a fleet of techs $15/hr to fix a phone is already factored into the cost of the phone. eFuse cuts into that profit. Even losing a little market share because of you locked a phone up tight cuts directly into profits. What do you think costs more, replacing 1% of phones sold because someone couldn't determine if it had been unlocked, or the cost of licensing eFuse on every single device? (hint, eFuse isn't cheap).

3) As consumers get more and more tech savvy about smartphones, they will want them to do more.

4) Who do you think writes the reviews for phones? Ultimately, it takes pissing off one guy at cnet or some other review place that loved playing with his original D1 to potentially turn off thousands of customers to Moto by writing raving reviews about the newest HTC product and mediocre ones about Moto.

Someone got sold on a product they said would have value, and they went with it. I really cannot see them trying to solve a problem and actively seeking this as the solution.