HSPA+ ... Thank you, T-Mobile

[Ceiling Fan]

I am enjoying your new network

 

[Demache]

What the christ. 10 Mb???

 

[IOWA]

Why not use speedtest.net app? Mobilespeedtest.com (or w/e) and other browser based mobile tests have been proven to be very inaccurate. I'll show you what I mean when I get home.

 

[Ceiling Fan]

The speed test app doesnt work right on my G2.
It stutters and gives me really poor speeds that are inconsistent with my browsing experience.

 

[IOWA]

The speed test app doesnt work right on my G2.
It stutters and gives me really poor speeds that are inconsistent with my browsing experience.

I bet the speed test app is more accurate than the mobile speed test.com test...

And your browsing experience doesn't matter. The processor is the bottleneck 95% of the time, and the Android browser from 2-3Mbps to 15Mbps+ you really won't notice a difference.

What if you tethered to your PC/Laptop and ran the speedtest that way?

 

[Ceiling Fan]

I'll try that and report back.

EDIT: no tethering with the G2. Silly me.
Well, I downloaded the FCC Speed Test app and it's working much better.
5 down and 2 up.

 

[IOWA]

I'll try that and report back.

EDIT: no tethering with the G2. Silly me.
Well, I downloaded the FCC Speed Test app and it's working much better.
5 down and 2 up.

Yeah that seems a bit more realistic. Just go download PDANet from market and use it to tether. It's free.

 

[Ceiling Fan]

Why aren't the browser-based solutions accurate?
If I transfer a 7 meg file in less than 7 seconds doesnt that speak for itself?

 

[IOWA]

Why aren't the browser-based solutions accurate?
If I transfer a 7 meg file in less than 7 seconds doesnt that speak for itself?

Nope. It just the way it works. The time measurement is off, the cache can make things appear faster, the connection type, hell take that test on a blackberry and it'll show some ridiculous speed.

 

[SamsungVibrant]

Yeah that seems a bit more realistic. Just go download PDANet from market and use it to tether. It's free.

Iowa I remember you saying that T-Mobile basically sucks, and that At&t already uses HSPA+ .... But you still never told me which At&t cities are HSPA+

Also didn't tell me which At&t phones are HSPA+

Oh ya, when you you compile your list of cities that have At&t HSPA+
please provide documented proof, and links.

 

[IOWA]

Way to hold a grudge, mr samsungvibrant.

Hspa and hspa+ have the same base technologies, so my references towards their shared weaknesses and utter downfall and uselessness as a wireless broadband solution compared to already exisiting superior technologies(wimax and lte) still applies.

Oh, and tmo does suck. Their coverage area is horrible, and 3g coverage is minimal at best. They can't even roam on att towers despite sharing the same tech due to frequency barriers. So if your in aa tmo coverage area, and you stay there and never travel, then good on you.

But way to live in the past aand derail the op's thread with the same crap that got the other thread closed. Good job. Really.

 

[RiverOfIce]

There is a huge difference between burst speed, speed that only last for a few seconds, and through put speeds.

Burst speeds happen because of how the wireless works. The system gives you a high hz for a few seconds, then adjust for your signal strength. If you down load very small files, it will do it all at once.

Through put is total amount of data speed over any given connection.

Hspa is very good at burst speeds, especially when no one is using the same tower. But when you have more then a few people using your tower, the connection will slow to about 2-3mbps. Which is why hspa is not a good long term technology.

For the op, to get an really good idea of your true through put, you need to measure it 16 times through out the day. Take the average of all of those readings, that is your burst rate.

To get your through put rate you need to down load a file from more then 3,000 miles away from your isp connection, not your physical location. The file should be larger then 500MB. You need to do this 16 times throughout the day.

With the average hspa+ you should run about 3-5 mbps burst and about 2-3mbps through put.

With wimax, you will run about 8-12mbps burst, about 4-8mbps through put.

The will vary depending on towers location, server load, and tower load.

What you proved is you can have a 5 sec burst up to 10mbps. You can do the same thing with evdo, with a 1.3mb file.

 

[2FR35H]

Iowa I remember you saying that T-Mobile basically sucks, and that At&t already uses HSPA+ .... But you still never told me which At&t cities are HSPA+

Also didn't tell me which At&t phones are HSPA+

Oh ya, when you you compile your list of cities that have At&t HSPA+
please provide documented proof, and links.

Yeah... pretty *much(I ain't like that bruh lol) IOWA is just a bitter old t-mobile hater. AT&T only has HSPA 7.2 and plans to upgrade to 14.4 of which still is not designated as HSPA+ and until they upgrade to 21mbps they don't have HSPA+, pretty much anyone on T-Mobile and living in a major city knows T-Mobile doesn't suck. Maybe if someone lives outside of cities it may suck but hey no one carrier is perfect. verizon still has some of the slowest speeds until they roll out LTE and get devices.

 

[2FR35H]

Yeah that seems a bit more realistic. Just go download PDANet from market and use it to tether. It's free.

Right... because T-Mobile can't get faster 4G speeds than Sprint sarcasm

 

[IOWA]

There is a huge difference between burst speed, speed that only last for a few seconds, and through put speeds.

Burst speeds happen because of how the wireless works. The system gives you a high hz for a few seconds, then adjust for your signal strength. If you down load very small files, it will do it all at once.

Through put is total amount of data speed over any given connection.

Hspa is very good at burst speeds, especially when no one is using the same tower. But when you have more then a few people using your tower, the connection will slow to about 2-3mbps. Which is why hspa is not a good long term technology.

For the op, to get an really good idea of your true through put, you need to measure it 16 times through out the day. Take the average of all of those readings, that is your burst rate.

To get your through put rate you need to down load a file from more then 3,000 miles away from your isp connection, not your physical location. The file should be larger then 500MB. You need to do this 16 times throughout the day.

With the average hspa+ you should run about 3-5 mbps burst and about 2-3mbps through put.

With wimax, you will run about 8-12mbps burst, about 4-8mbps through put.

The will vary depending on towers location, server load, and tower load.

What you proved is you can have a 5 sec burst up to 10mbps. You can do the same thing with evdo, with a 1.3mb file.

I'd listen to this guy. Despite all my research, when it comes to frequencies, wireless bandwidth, and all things hertz, he's got everyone here schooled. Period. Everything RiverOfIce has said, I've verified as true and accurate.

And no, T-Mobile can not get faster 4G speeds than Sprint, because T-Mobile doesn't have anything that will ever come close to having the 4G label.

And you can have all the burst speeds in the world, throughput is a different story, and I just may set up a video recording of Sprint's WiMax vs T-Mobiles HSPA+ on a large file download with video camera's, since I just so happen to be in both areas.

And T-Mobile's 3G coverage (yes that's HSPA+ too) is minimal and scarce, and that's being optimistic. It's smaller than ATT's pithy 3G network, so how can it be the largest "any" network?

 

[RiverOfIce]

Yeah... pretty IOWA is just a bitter old t-mobile hater. AT&T only has HSPA 7.2 and plans to upgrade to 14.4 of which still is not designated as HSPA+ and until they upgrade to 21mbps they don't have HSPA+, pretty much anyone on T-Mobile and living in a major city knows T-Mobile doesn't suck. Maybe if someone lives outside of cities it may suck but hey no one carrier is perfect. verizon still has some of the slowest speeds until they roll out LTE and get devices.

You throw around those numbers like they actually mean something.

The average dsl/broadband speed for the united states is less then 5.1mbps. Once your wireless connection hits the internet, it is not treated any different then any other ip address. Which means your average wireless speed is less then 5.1 mbps to any give internet.

There is very little chance that t-mobile will offer you a 14.2mbps when the average internet is only 5.1mbps. They would have to own every server between you and your data.

So you can run around and spew marketing, but in the real world. Your average speed wireless speed is going to be slower then your average broadband speed.

You can look here to see your average burst speed. Your specific connection will vary, but on average, it is all the same internet. Most connection on your phone will self throttle for long downloads to save battery life. The facts about internet speed is that you will not see much improvement over the next 5 years, for the most part average throughput will hover around 6-8mbps for wimax and lte. Only after the vast majority of the backbone of the internet is changed will you see an increase in speed.

There is a huge difference between testing the closest server to you and testing the average speed of the internet you use every day. In the real world, 14mbps throughput will not happen until 2015 at the earliest. 50mbps not until 2020. 100mbps not until after 2020.

Which is why hspa+ is a good choice for the compressed proxies like t-mobilles and att uses for their products. It allows the compression of image and items to reduce the total amount data sent across the network, increasing the speed. Works really well.

Which is why the OP picture says at the bottom "We recommended you try a 3MB or faster test to accurately test your connection." The test that he used was a picture test, which t-mobiles server compressed down to less then 3MB. The test saw that it was transferred less then 3MB, which is why it told him to use the greater then 3MB test. The 7MB file was compressed to 3MB and sent over the connection, which means the actual speed was probably less then 4.5Mbps. But to the average user it would seem like 10mbps, so we will just ignore that little fact. There is so many twists and turns in wireless communication it will leave your heading spinning.

http://files.cwa-union.org/speedmat...A_Report_on_Internet_Speeds_2009_Appendix.pdf

 

[IOWA]

You throw around those numbers like they actually mean something.

The average dsl/broadband speed for the united states is less then 5.1mbps. Once your wireless connection hits the internet, it is not treated any different then any other ip address. Which means your average wireless speed is less then 5.1 mbps to any give internet.

There is very little chance that t-mobile will offer you a 14.2mbps when the average internet is only 5.1mbps. They would have to own every server between you and your data.

So you can run around and spew marketing, but in the real world. Your average speed wireless speed is going to be slower then your average broadband speed.

You can look here to see your average burst speed. Your specific connection will vary, but on average, it is all the same internet. Most connection on your phone will self throttle for long downloads to save battery life. The facts about internet speed is that you will not see much improvement over the next 5 years, for the most part average throughput will hover around 6-8mbps for wimax and lte. Only after the vast majority of the backbone of the internet is changed will you see an increase in speed.

There is a huge difference between testing the closest server to you and testing the average speed of the internet you use every day. In the real world, 14mbps throughput will not happen until 2015 at the earliest. 50mbps not until 2020. 100mbps not until after 2020.

Which is why hspa+ is a good choice for the compressed proxies like t-mobilles and att uses for their products. It allows the compression of image and items to reduce the total amount data sent across the network, increasing the speed. Works really well.

Which is why the OP picture says at the bottom "We recommended you try a 3MB or faster test to accurately test your connection." The test that he used was a picture test, which t-mobiles server compressed down to less then 3MB. The test saw that it was transferred less then 3MB, which is why it told him to use the greater then 3MB test. The 7MB file was compressed to 3MB and sent over the connection, which means the actual speed was probably less then 4.5Mbps. But to the average user it would seem like 10mbps, so we will just ignore that little fact. There is so many twists and turns in wireless communication it will leave your heading spinning.

http://files.cwa-union.org/speedmat...A_Report_on_Internet_Speeds_2009_Appendix.pdf

The compression is also why Blackberry speedtests show false-insane-fast speeds.

 

[2FR35H]

I'd listen to this guy. Despite all my research, when it comes to frequencies, wireless bandwidth, and all things hertz, he's got everyone here schooled. Period. Everything RiverOfIce has said, I've verified as true and accurate.

And no, T-Mobile can not get faster 4G speeds than Sprint, because T-Mobile doesn't have anything that will ever come close to having the 4G label.

And you can have all the burst speeds in the world, throughput is a different story, and I just may set up a video recording of Sprint's WiMax vs T-Mobiles HSPA+ on a large file download with video camera's, since I just so happen to be in both areas.

And T-Mobile's 3G coverage (yes that's HSPA+ too) is minimal and scarce, and that's being optimistic. It's smaller than ATT's pithy 3G network, so how can it be the largest "any" network?

Lets see idk because the network t-mobile calls 4G covers more areas than any other 4G called network. Yup including sprint and their borrowed 3.xG network that you seem to think is okay to call 4G but not t-mobile. Verizon doesn't have theirs out yet. AT&T is still on regular HSPA 7.2 instead of HSPA+ and have plans on going to regular LTE instead of advanced I do believe it was. You verify RiverOfIce statements to be true but what credibility do you have to go along with confirming his statements true? are you a network specialist or something? not trying to sound like an a*hole but you get the gist of what I am saying. To your knowledge t-mobile can't get anywhere near Sprints but how far does your knowledge about network technologies really go? I mean ever since these 4G wars came up everyone wants to play expert with it based on their wikipedia found knowledge.

 

[2FR35H]

You throw around those numbers like they actually mean something.

The average dsl/broadband speed for the united states is less then 5.1mbps. Once your wireless connection hits the internet, it is not treated any different then any other ip address. Which means your average wireless speed is less then 5.1 mbps to any give internet.

There is very little chance that t-mobile will offer you a 14.2mbps when the average internet is only 5.1mbps. They would have to own every server between you and your data.

So you can run around and spew marketing, but in the real world. Your average speed wireless speed is going to be slower then your average broadband speed.

You can look here to see your average burst speed. Your specific connection will vary, but on average, it is all the same internet. Most connection on your phone will self throttle for long downloads to save battery life. The facts about internet speed is that you will not see much improvement over the next 5 years, for the most part average throughput will hover around 6-8mbps for wimax and lte. Only after the vast majority of the backbone of the internet is changed will you see an increase in speed.

There is a huge difference between testing the closest server to you and testing the average speed of the internet you use every day. In the real world, 14mbps throughput will not happen until 2015 at the earliest. 50mbps not until 2020. 100mbps not until after 2020.

Which is why hspa+ is a good choice for the compressed proxies like t-mobilles and att uses for their products. It allows the compression of image and items to reduce the total amount data sent across the network, increasing the speed. Works really well.

Which is why the OP picture says at the bottom "We recommended you try a 3MB or faster test to accurately test your connection." The test that he used was a picture test, which t-mobiles server compressed down to less then 3MB. The test saw that it was transferred less then 3MB, which is why it told him to use the greater then 3MB test. The 7MB file was compressed to 3MB and sent over the connection, which means the actual speed was probably less then 4.5Mbps. But to the average user it would seem like 10mbps, so we will just ignore that little fact. There is so many twists and turns in wireless communication it will leave your heading spinning.

http://files.cwa-union.org/speedmat...A_Report_on_Internet_Speeds_2009_Appendix.pdf

Thats all good and well but Verizon doesn't even have LTE devices and lets not forget the fact that they haven't even turned on their 3.xG LTE but so called 4G network yet.

Yet almost none of what you said has any relevance with my comment that you replied to. What does all this information that you gave me have to do with the fact that AT&T doesn't have an HSPA+ network or that their speeds are still slower than T-Mobile's with a cap at 7.2mbps? Or even so much the fact that to those who use t-mobile in cities covered with 4G don't believe t-mobile sucks. I have gotten reception in more places than my friends who have at&t and wayyy less dropped calls.

Sprint only has 2 devices that can use their 4G service. All phones on t-mobile's line up will benefit from HSPA+ upgrades. That means all of our androids can use it.

 

[IOWA]

Lets see idk because the network t-mobile calls 4G covers more areas than any other 4G called network. Yup including sprint and their borrowed 3.xG network that you seem to think is okay to call 4G but not t-mobile. Verizon doesn't have theirs out yet. AT&T is still on regular HSPA 7.2 instead of HSPA+ and have plans on going to regular LTE instead of advanced I do believe it was. You verify RiverOfIce statements to be true but what credibility do you have to go along with confirming his statements true? are you a network specialist or something? not trying to sound like an a*hole but you get the gist of what I am saying. To your knowledge t-mobile can't get anywhere near Sprints but how far does your knowledge about network technologies really go? I mean ever since these 4G wars came up everyone wants to play expert with it based on their wikipedia found knowledge.

I have a pretty good understanding of IP networks and the air interface networks are VERY similar. Not that any of that matters.

HSPA+ will never been a 4G tech. Never.

WiMax, already is.

Maybe you should quit fighting with gravity, because it's not doing a whole lot of justice. TMo's network is hands down, the smallest, and worst out of the big four. It doesn't have the largest anything, unless your talking about gaps in coverage.

And even if TMo had an Air interface of 1000gigbits per second, it would still be slow due to their weak backbone.

 

[RiverOfIce]

Iowa you can not argue with a tv ad. Sorry you just cant. 4g, as the 4th generation of wireless communication is not the same as 4g the unit of measurement set by the IMT-Advanced standard. You want to offer facts back by a tv commercial, we are not going to go anywhere. HSPA+ is a good technology that about 40% of the population will not notice the difference in speeds. But it is still based on a very ineffective protocols that only increases speed by decreasing availability. Once more then 60% of the population have more then a dumb phone, you are going to have to move to something that can offer everyone the same speeds. Not just 22% of the them a higher speeds then they are currently getting and 88% of them lower speeds then they are currently getting. But to minor points here 1.) Att has a hspa+ network. A very large one, but since I have stop dealing with last decades technology about 3 years ago. I really could not tell you the extend of that foot print. 2.) I am in fact a girl, not a boy. Sorry for the disappointment. I do not want you to know what I do for a living, because I want you to check your facts against mine. I want you to not trust what I say so you can try to prove me wrong, and there for learn. Mindlessly accepting the facts, like the "FACTS" given in a tv ad, is why we are even having this argument.

 

[IOWA]

Iowa you can not argue with a tv ad. Sorry you just cant. 4g, as the 4th generation of wireless communication is not the same as 4g the unit of measurement set by the IMT-Advanced standard. You want to offer facts back by a tv commercial, we are not going to go anywhere. HSPA+ is a good technology that about 40% of the population will not notice the difference in speeds. But it is still based on a very ineffective protocols that only increases speed by decreasing availability. Once more then 60% of the population have more then a dumb phone, you are going to have to move to something that can offer everyone the same speeds. Not just 22% of the them a higher speeds then they are currently getting and 88% of them lower speeds then they are currently getting. But to minor points here 1.) Att has a hspa+ network. A very large one, but since I have stop dealing with last decades technology about 3 years ago. I really could not tell you the extend of that foot print. 2.) I am in fact a girl, not a boy. Sorry for the disappointment. I do not want you to know what I do for a living, because I want you to check your facts against mine. I want you to not trust what I say so you can try to prove me wrong, and there for learn. Mindlessly accepting the facts, like the "FACTS" given in a tv ad, is why we are even having this argument.

 

[2FR35H]

Iowa you can not argue with a tv ad. Sorry you just cant. 4g, as the 4th generation of wireless communication is not the same as 4g the unit of measurement set by the IMT-Advanced standard. You want to offer facts back by a tv commercial, we are not going to go anywhere. HSPA+ is a good technology that about 40% of the population will not notice the difference in speeds. But it is still based on a very ineffective protocols that only increases speed by decreasing availability. Once more then 60% of the population have more then a dumb phone, you are going to have to move to something that can offer everyone the same speeds. Not just 22% of the them a higher speeds then they are currently getting and 88% of them lower speeds then they are currently getting. But to minor points here 1.) Att has a hspa+ network. A very large one, but since I have stop dealing with last decades technology about 3 years ago. I really could not tell you the extend of that foot print. 2.) I am in fact a girl, not a boy. Sorry for the disappointment. I do not want you to know what I do for a living, because I want you to check your facts against mine. I want you to not trust what I say so you can try to prove me wrong, and there for learn. Mindlessly accepting the facts, like the "FACTS" given in a tv ad, is why we are even having this argument.

Clearly no carrier is going by technical standards, otherwise I doubt we would be here arguing because my position in all of this is that no matter what you are telling me at the end of the day Sprint doesn't exactly have their own 4G network and the one they borrow from(that you pay a premium for btw) is not 4G(upgradability does not matter), AT&T does NOT have an HSPA+ network, nor are they the largest HSPA+ network. Just because its upgradeable does NOT make it better than t-mobile in the 4G war, that noone carrier has. Verizon has NOT launched an LTE device nor LTE in itself and regular LTE as far as what I read is not 4G. WiMax 2 and LTE-Advanced are 4G technologies, NO CARRIER HAS EITHER 2! I am not backing facts by a tv commercial I am backing facts based on my findings. Excuse me if I assumed you were a guy fact of the matter is most people i argue with techwise are guys, no disappointment really, I could care less of your gender. We are having this argument though because you aren't seeing my point, this 4G claim war is pointless having because NOBODY IN AMERICA HAS IT!(At least in reference to the big 4) AT&T does NOT have an HSPA+ network, 14.4 HSPA isn't even considered HSPA+ and they aren't even on that yet. They are still at 7.2 HSPA even with their handsets, they have PLANS of upgrading to 14.4 HSPA. Sure AT&T may be a larger network but most certainly not Largest '4G' and/or HSPA+ network(once again they don't have HSPA+ if their tops is 14.4. I don't mindlessly accept facts I test them all and if enough shows to be true then I will stand by those and take them as facts. I do research I'm not some blind follower, sorry if you thought so. If nobody has 4G currently this conversation is just ranting about future possibilities of 4G of which by then this conversation would probably be irrelevent as most carriers have plans for LTE-A and the only one going for WiMax 2 is Clearwire. When will sprint get their own 4G Network idk maybe you would like to pay a premium but I am sure as hell not going to. Being that HSPA+ is good before 60% use smartphones that is probably why they introduced that 5gb data cap then throttle. T-Mobile makes the claim of largest 4G because their HSPA+ network covers more people than wimax. If T-Mobile was making a claim of largest network in general I would agree with you, but they said '4G' network so there is a difference to note. I am not trying to say by tech standards t-mo is 4G, its quite the opposite. Every carrier is currently going by marketing it as ther next up from regular 3G network.

 

[2FR35H]

I have a pretty good understanding of IP networks and the air interface networks are VERY similar. Not that any of that matters.

HSPA+ will never been a 4G tech. Never.

WiMax, already is.

Maybe you should quit fighting with gravity, because it's not doing a whole lot of justice. TMo's network is hands down, the smallest, and worst out of the big four. It doesn't have the largest anything, unless your talking about gaps in coverage.

And even if TMo had an Air interface of 1000gigbits per second, it would still be slow due to their weak backbone.

LOL WiMax is NOT 4G its upgradable but in no way is regular WiMax 4G by technical standards. HSPA+ covers more areas than wimax, that is how T-mobile is the largest 4G network. Hey and at least T-mo users don't have to pay a premium for HSPA+ unlike Sprint because they BORROW WiMax FROM CLEARWIRE! that alone makes t-mobile better. Worse than AT&T HAH! why is it that AT&T users are always complaining about dropped calls than t-mobile users? what they do? yeah just go look anywhere and you will see. All the coverage in the world doesn't matter if all your calls will get dropped anyways. I have had less than 5 dropped calls despite your claim of spotty coverage. Ihave gotten signal in more places than AT&T and SPrint hadn't exactly had the chance to compare verizon's signal supposedly they are good but your claim of t-mobile being the worst of the 4 is based on air.

 

[IOWA]

LOL WiMax is NOT 4G its upgradable but in no way is regular WiMax 4G by technical standards. HSPA+ covers more areas than wimax, that is how T-mobile is the largest 4G network. Hey and at least T-mo users don't have to pay a premium for HSPA+ unlike Sprint because they BORROW WiMax FROM CLEARWIRE! that alone makes t-mobile better. Worse than AT&T HAH! why is it that AT&T users are always complaining about dropped calls than t-mobile users? what they do? yeah just go look anywhere and you will see. All the coverage in the world doesn't matter if all your calls will get dropped anyways. I have had less than 5 dropped calls despite your claim of spotty coverage. Ihave gotten signal in more places than AT&T and SPrint hadn't exactly had the chance to compare verizon's signal supposedly they are good but your claim of t-mobile being the worst of the 4 is based on air.

Your in denial. Seriously. But I guess facts don't matter in your world.

-Done with you.